Lance Moore - Top 20 WR? (1 Viewer)

[DevilintheDetail]

Lance Moore is currently the #15 WR in standard (non-PPR) scoring. The Saints are passing a lot and it appears that he is getting more targets now. He has 37 targets, which is more than Colston (32) and just a few shy of Jimmy Graham (40).

37 targets puts Moore right in the mix with Vincent Jackson, Welker, Fitzgerald, Decker, Marshall, and Harvin. He is also getting a good number of red zone looks, too. Colston is also banged up again already and could miss time.

Are there any good reasons to think Moore won't keep up his current pace and stay in the top 20?

 

[meatwad1]

Lance Moore is currently the #15 WR in standard (non-PPR) scoring. The Saints are passing a lot and it appears that he is getting more targets now. He has 37 targets, which is more than Colston (32) and just a few shy of Jimmy Graham (40). 37 targets puts Moore right in the mix with Vincent Jackson, Welker, Fitzgerald, Decker, Marshall, and Harvin. He is also getting a good number of red zone looks, too. Colston is also banged up again already and could miss time.Are there any good reasons to think Moore won't keep up his current pace and stay in the top 20?

I love Lance Moore, I think he is like any Saints receiver though...big weeks mixed in with spans of nothing. He certainly could be top 20 when all is said and done.

 

[packersfan]

Are there any good reasons to think Moore won't keep up his current pace and stay in the top 20?

I think he has Top 25 potential, not sure about Top 20 but it wouldn't surprise me in PPR. He's damn good and Brees loves him. So a lot of things are in his favor.Only thing I'd be worried about is injury. He missed practice Wednesday with a hamstring injury. Haven't seen any updates about him yet today.

 

[kegger]

I like Lance Moore as well, have since the start of the season,(He's on most of my rosters)

And I don't see him slowing down, with Meachum gone he's right in the mix with Colston/Graham.

(The Saints will keep throwing a Ton, Moore is an every week starter as far as I'm concerned)

 

[solorca]

Lance Moore is currently the #15 WR in standard (non-PPR) scoring. The Saints are passing a lot and it appears that he is getting more targets now. He has 37 targets, which is more than Colston (32) and just a few shy of Jimmy Graham (40). 37 targets puts Moore right in the mix with Vincent Jackson, Welker, Fitzgerald, Decker, Marshall, and Harvin. He is also getting a good number of red zone looks, too. Colston is also banged up again already and could miss time.Are there any good reasons to think Moore won't keep up his current pace and stay in the top 20?

I love Lance Moore, I think he is like any Saints receiver though...big weeks mixed in with spans of nothing. He certainly could be top 20 when all is said and done.

The great thing about Moore is that his big weeks have historically been predictable. If he's playing at home (or in a dome), start him.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Lance Moore is currently the #15 WR in standard (non-PPR) scoring. The Saints are passing a lot and it appears that he is getting more targets now. He has 37 targets, which is more than Colston (32) and just a few shy of Jimmy Graham (40). 37 targets puts Moore right in the mix with Vincent Jackson, Welker, Fitzgerald, Decker, Marshall, and Harvin. He is also getting a good number of red zone looks, too. Colston is also banged up again already and could miss time.Are there any good reasons to think Moore won't keep up his current pace and stay in the top 20?

I love Lance Moore, I think he is like any Saints receiver though...big weeks mixed in with spans of nothing. He certainly could be top 20 when all is said and done.

The great thing about Moore is that his big weeks have historically been predictable. If he's playing at home (or in a dome), start him.

Top 15 when playing inside.More importantly - is he playing this week?

 

[Bud]

His targets seem to be trending in the right direction this year compared to previous seasons.

TARGETS PER GAME

2012 - 9.25

2011 - 5.1 (52 receptions) 627 yds / 8 TD's

2010 - 5.1 (66 receptions) 763 yds / 8 TD's

2008 was his best year prior with 7.4 targets per game with 79 receptions, 928 yds / 10 TD's. AVG - 5/60/.62 TD's per game. This year he's averaging just under 5 rec/72/.5 TD's per game. Decent floor with opportunity to get another 1 or 2 games over 100 yds with NO WR situation. Indoor Lance Moore! Hopefully this hammy injury isn't too serious.

 

[DexterDew]

i've rostered him in dynasty/redraft all over the place.the reason i was bullish on him this year was the loss of Meachem.

Brees does a good job of spreading is around and Moore is probably 3rd or 4th option on a team with a bad DEF that loves to throw.

it is well documented that he plays better at home (maybe domes?) and it was painful to watch him drop a few a couple weeks ago on the road.

in PPR, he may end up being a low end WR2, but not a "sexy" player at all. That puts him at 12-14/week. Last year he missed 2 games and averaged about 11.9/game. Since his YPC was 12.05 in 2011, 11.56 in 2010 and in 2008 was 11.74, we are looking at 5-6 catches a week to make him a low end WR2 (which means 7+ targets are needed). Obviously the TDs will help and he does get a good number of RZ passes and TDs for a player that is only 5'9".

in short, if healthy, i would start him with confidence at home or in a dome. If healthy, he probably has 2-3 years left of production... or as long as he and Brees are together. Kind of a poor man's Welker

 

[Morton Muffley]

Barring injury, I think he's highly likely to finish right around where he is now (WR15) and here's why:

- NO is on pace to throw the ball ~750 times this year and while I think they will lead the league in pass attempts I doubt they'll throw it more than 700 times

- Moore is getting about 20% of the targets which is higher than I might have predicted even given the departure of Meachem

- He's only catching about 50% of the balls thrown his way whereas he has historically caught around 70% of them

- His YPR is 15.1 this year compared to ~12 in previous years and may indicate he's being asked to run deeper routes (and would explain the drop in catch rate)

- His TD rate per reception is on par with what he's done historically

So given the above, I'd expect his targets and YPR to drop a bit (but both to be higher than his historical averages) but his catch rate to increase (though not to it's historical average).

Current Pace: 148 targets/76 catches/1148 yards/8 TDs

My Projections: 120 targets/78 catches/1050 yards/8 TDs

For the record: 78/1050/8 would place him historically around WR13

 

[firstseason1988]

Barring injury, I think he's highly likely to finish right around where he is now (WR15) and here's why: - NO is on pace to throw the ball ~750 times this year and while I think they will lead the league in pass attempts I doubt they'll throw it more than 700 times - Moore is getting about 20% of the targets which is higher than I might have predicted even given the departure of Meachem - He's only catching about 50% of the balls thrown his way whereas he has historically caught around 70% of them - His YPR is 15.1 this year compared to ~12 in previous years and may indicate he's being asked to run deeper routes (and would explain the drop in catch rate) - His TD rate per reception is on par with what he's done historicallySo given the above, I'd expect his targets and YPR to drop a bit (but both to be higher than his historical averages) but his catch rate to increase (though not to it's historical average). Current Pace: 148 targets/76 catches/1148 yards/8 TDsMy Projections: 120 targets/78 catches/1050 yards/8 TDsFor the record: 78/1050/8 would place him historically around WR13

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Barring injury, I think he's highly likely to finish right around where he is now (WR15) and here's why: - NO is on pace to throw the ball ~750 times this year and while I think they will lead the league in pass attempts I doubt they'll throw it more than 700 times - Moore is getting about 20% of the targets which is higher than I might have predicted even given the departure of Meachem - He's only catching about 50% of the balls thrown his way whereas he has historically caught around 70% of them - His YPR is 15.1 this year compared to ~12 in previous years and may indicate he's being asked to run deeper routes (and would explain the drop in catch rate) - His TD rate per reception is on par with what he's done historicallySo given the above, I'd expect his targets and YPR to drop a bit (but both to be higher than his historical averages) but his catch rate to increase (though not to it's historical average). Current Pace: 148 targets/76 catches/1148 yards/8 TDsMy Projections: 120 targets/78 catches/1050 yards/8 TDsFor the record: 78/1050/8 would place him historically around WR13

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[packersfan]

More importantly - is he playing this week?

Missed practice again today so probably not.

 

[shadyridr]

Who replaces him? Henderson?

 

[need2know]

bump colston and graham this week. although they are must starts anyways

 

[packersfan]

bump colston and graham this week. although they are must starts anyways

Agreed. I think Pierre Thomas and the screen game could become an even bigger weapon if Moore's out too.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

So much speculation of Moore being out. He's not even doubtful yet. And it's only Thursday. Where is the report that he missed today's practice? Last reported missing practice was yesterday and beat writers are speculating it's only to rest up for what is going to be a shootout with San Diego.

 

[packersfan]

Where is the report that he missed today's practice?

Missing practice on Thursday is rarely a good sign. Here's a report from RotoWorld about him missing practice today:Lance Moore (hamstring) was held out of practice again on Thursday.The second missed practice in as many days rules out rest as the reason for Moore's absence. Of even greater concern is that Moore has experienced lingering hamstring issues in each of the past three seasons, including an injury that kept him out of the playoffs late last year. Interim coach Aaron Kromer acknowledged that it would be hard to replace Moore if he ends up sitting out versus the Chargers. Fantasy owners need to have another WR3 option ready for Week 5.Source: Larry Holder on Twitter

 

[Nucker101]

Very underrated player, especially this year with Meachem now gone there were more targets available. Combine that with the Saints horrible defense and it's a recipe for good numbers. He was a solid value pick this year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Where is the report that he missed today's practice?

Missing practice on Thursday is rarely a good sign. Here's a report from RotoWorld about him missing practice today:Lance Moore (hamstring) was held out of practice again on Thursday.The second missed practice in as many days rules out rest as the reason for Moore's absence. Of even greater concern is that Moore has experienced lingering hamstring issues in each of the past three seasons, including an injury that kept him out of the playoffs late last year. Interim coach Aaron Kromer acknowledged that it would be hard to replace Moore if he ends up sitting out versus the Chargers. Fantasy owners need to have another WR3 option ready for Week 5.Source: Larry Holder on Twitter

Thanks for the reply. Now I have a conundrum to sort thru. To flex in Ryan Williams for Moore or maybe Pierre Thomas? And only a few hours to make up my mind.

 

[solorca]

Where is the report that he missed today's practice?

Missing practice on Thursday is rarely a good sign. Here's a report from RotoWorld about him missing practice today:Lance Moore (hamstring) was held out of practice again on Thursday.The second missed practice in as many days rules out rest as the reason for Moore's absence. Of even greater concern is that Moore has experienced lingering hamstring issues in each of the past three seasons, including an injury that kept him out of the playoffs late last year. Interim coach Aaron Kromer acknowledged that it would be hard to replace Moore if he ends up sitting out versus the Chargers. Fantasy owners need to have another WR3 option ready for Week 5.Source: Larry Holder on Twitter

Thanks for the reply. Now I have a conundrum to sort thru. To flex in Ryan Williams for Moore or maybe Pierre Thomas? And only a few hours to make up my mind.

That sucks. You should really try to talk your league into changing the rule to allow roster changes up to kickoff of individual games. I think with the concerns, I'd go with Ryan Williams and hope he shows something.

 

[SSOG]

Lance Moore is the fantasy reincarnation of Eddie Kennison. I mean this as a compliment.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Lance Moore OUT

(RotoWire) Moore (hamstring) is out for Sunday's game against San Diego, New Orleans Times-Picayune writer Mike Triplett reports. Analysis: Moore's absence leaves more room for Devery Henderson in the receiver rotation, but Moore's targets seem more likely to head to the more competent duo of Marques Colston and Jimmy Graham.

 

[steelerfan1]

Lance Moore OUT

(RotoWire) Moore (hamstring) is out for Sunday's game against San Diego, New Orleans Times-Picayune writer Mike Triplett reports. Analysis: Moore's absence leaves more room for Devery Henderson in the receiver rotation, but Moore's targets seem more likely to head to the more competent duo of Marques Colston and Jimmy Graham.

thanks for posting raider.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Here we go with the hammy issues again.

 

[packersfan]

Lance Moore is the fantasy reincarnation of Eddie Kennison. I mean this as a compliment.

I think he's a much better route runner than Kennison was.

 

[xfactor99]

Good thing I picked up Hartline!

 

[Captain Hook]

BIG bump for Joe Morgan for WR4/Flex if you are also hamstrung (by injuries and byes)

 

[SSOG]

Lance Moore is the fantasy reincarnation of Eddie Kennison. I mean this as a compliment.

I think he's a much better route runner than Kennison was.

Meant more as a performance comparison than a style comparison. Both guys who had a surprising wr2 finish early (Kennison had 54/924/9 as a rookie, Moore had 79/928/10 at age 25). Both guys who disappointed owners for a couple of years afterwards, long enough to develop a reputation as an afterthought or underperformer and slip off the fantasy radar. Starting at age 29, though, Kennison started quietly putting up a string of solid, unsexy fantasy seasons. While everyone kept chasing the hot sleepers, Kennison became a guy you could routinely get as your wr4 or wr5 and count on to overperform that all season long. Kennison finished the next 5 years 36th, 24th, 18th, 18th, and 29th. I could easily see Moore entering another such run. He's in a good offense. He has the trust of one of the best QBs in the league. He's not the first or second option, but he makes the most of his opportunities. Some people were even expecting a small jump like this after Meachem skipped town. He's a guy who makes an unsexy, but extremely solid WR3 going into the next several years.

 

[Run It Up]

I projected him to finish ahead of Colston this offseason. It was a very unpopular opinion.

I've never been a fan of Colston, I've always been a fan of Moore. Hes in a great situation this year. I think he'll finish third in receptions on the team - behind graham and sproles.

 

[mbuehner]

Ive been a proponent of Moore as well, but i think he's crossed the value line at this point. He's still who he is, and moreover hes dropped a LOT of passes, and the Saints have lost all their games with him as the top targetted WR. This could be a real opening for another Saints receiver to step up and become Brees's favorite WR target, in which case Moore could fall off the radar screen almost instantly. Thats the danger. If you already have him, hes already paid off. And he's probably a tough sell. So id say hes a hold because he could well finish as he started and you cant likely get proper value for that potential. But id have another option ready.

 

[firstseason1988]

I projected him to finish ahead of Colston this offseason. It was a very unpopular opinion.I've never been a fan of Colston, I've always been a fan of Moore. Hes in a great situation this year. I think he'll finish third in receptions on the team - behind graham and sproles.

I agree, Colston goes long before I ever want him. I drafted Moore in my dynasty league in 2008... He is not an every week starter, but I always start him with confidence. Brees loves him, solid player. With the Saints off next week, they probably want to get him extra rest.

 

[pghrob]

BIG bump for Joe Morgan for WR4/Flex if you are also hamstrung (by injuries and byes)

Just curious why Morgan over Henderson?

 

[SameSongNDance]

I projected him to finish ahead of Colston this offseason. It was a very unpopular opinion.I've never been a fan of Colston, I've always been a fan of Moore. Hes in a great situation this year. I think he'll finish third in receptions on the team - behind graham and sproles.

I agree, Colston goes long before I ever want him. I drafted Moore in my dynasty league in 2008... He is not an every week starter, but I always start him with confidence. Brees loves him, solid player. With the Saints off next week, they probably want to get him extra rest.

If you're talking redraft, I'm not sure how 5/6th round is "too long before" you should take a WR who puts up 80/1000+/8 on the reg. Say what you want to say about his plastic knees but he almost always ends up producing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I agree about all the good things said about Moore above. You all know the story on Moore, but he can fill some of the deep role left by Meachem and Brees loves him near the goal line.

Well I guess this why the Saints resigned Camarillo.

They have also been running Cadet at WR in practice, I have no idea if or when they ever plan to use him in a game.

Morgan finally got it last week, that was a hell of a throw by Brees and Morgan was so, so so wide open. But he had had trouble catching the ball, great to see him deliver. Morgan is definitely hit or miss. Yet the Saints desperately need that deep ball to work to succeed - I don't think they're giving up on it. There is no way to predict the Saints WRs but i i was looking at a desperation start and fill-in for Moore I'd go Morgan before Henderson at this point.

 

[packersfan]

Ive been a proponent of Moore as well, but i think he's crossed the value line at this point. He's still who he is, and moreover hes dropped a LOT of passes

That's rare for him, though. He's typically very sure-handed. That's one of the reasons Brees trusts him so much. I would anticipate the drops decreasing as the season goes on. I'm among those who love his value every year. Seems like nobody ever wants him despite the fact he's part of a great passing offense with an elite QB who absolutely loves him. I think he's one of the safest WR3s you can find in PPR leagues but the great thing about him is annually you can almost get him as your WR4 or even WR5. He's almost always a great value pick.The only concern I have with him is he does miss some time every year lately. This will mark the third time in four seasons he's missed at least one game. It definitely sucks when he misses home games because he tends to perform better at home and in domes. This week's game has all the makings of a shootout too so it's doubly painful to have him miss out on this one. Hopefully the Week 6 bye will help him heal up and he'll be ready in Week 7.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Update? I've checked around and no new news on his injured hammy. Except he's no longer listed on the injury report. So safe to assume he's good to go?

 

[packersfan]

Update? I've checked around and no new news on his injured hammy. Except he's no longer listed on the injury report. So safe to assume he's good to go?

Not sure what their practice schedule is coming out of the bye but we may not start getting any definitive signs of his Week 7 status until Wednesday. He Tweeted late last week that he was looking forward to resting his hamstring injury. That led me to think it's still bothering him but I could be wrong. Hopefully I am.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Update? I've checked around and no new news on his injured hammy. Except he's no longer listed on the injury report. So safe to assume he's good to go?

Golden rule: Never start a guy 1st week back from most injuries but especially hammies. Good to go? Good to watch for a week is what I would say.

 

[SSOG]

Update? I've checked around and no new news on his injured hammy. Except he's no longer listed on the injury report. So safe to assume he's good to go?

Golden rule: Never start a guy 1st week back from most injuries but especially hammies. Good to go? Good to watch for a week is what I would say.

Players average as many points per game in weeks they appear on the injury report (and still wind up playing) as they do in weeks they don't appear on the injury report.

 

[hines]

something to keep in mind is Graham's injury, high ankle sprain possibly? if it is Moore's value jumps even higher. he's the ideal guy to target as a throw-in right now. could be as rock solid a WR2 as they come the rest of the year

 

[cracKer]

Hopefully we get some news today on Moore, it's been surprisingly quiet

 

[kegger]

Moore (hamstring) practiced fully Wednesday, the Times-Picayune reports.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

(KFFL) New Orleans Saints WR Lance Moore (hamstring) fully participated in practice Thursday, Oct. 18.

Two straight full practices under his belt now and with Graham's status up in the air, and I think Moore could be a top 20 WR in PPR this week.

 

[SameSongNDance]

(KFFL) New Orleans Saints WR Lance Moore (hamstring) fully participated in practice Thursday, Oct. 18.Two straight full practices under his belt now and with Graham's status up in the air, and I think Moore could be a top 20 WR in PPR this week.

Unlikely only because the game is away and TB doesn't play on a turf field. I've have never seen someone so affected by playing surface/home field advantage.He'll make for a good WR3/Flex play in 1PPR but the TD is just unlikely to come.

 

[packersfan]

(KFFL) New Orleans Saints WR Lance Moore (hamstring) fully participated in practice Thursday, Oct. 18.Two straight full practices under his belt now and with Graham's status up in the air, and I think Moore could be a top 20 WR in PPR this week.

Unlikely only because the game is away and TB doesn't play on a turf field. I've have never seen someone so affected by playing surface/home field advantage.He'll make for a good WR3/Flex play in 1PPR but the TD is just unlikely to come.

For what it's worth Moore has scored in two of his last three games at Tampa Bay dating back to 2008.

 

[boonesfarm4me]

Full practice again today. Should be good to go

http://t.co/jl0QydX2

 

[SameSongNDance]

(KFFL) New Orleans Saints WR Lance Moore (hamstring) fully participated in practice Thursday, Oct. 18.

Two straight full practices under his belt now and with Graham's status up in the air, and I think Moore could be a top 20 WR in PPR this week.

Unlikely only because the game is away and TB doesn't play on a turf field. I've have never seen someone so affected by playing surface/home field advantage.He'll make for a good WR3/Flex play in 1PPR but the TD is just unlikely to come.

For what it's worth Moore has scored in two of his last three games at Tampa Bay dating back to 2008.

I'm going to be trotting him out in one league (1PPR) as my WR3/flex. I feel pretty confident in him as such. As long as he's healthy, IMO, he will always be at the least a top 36 play at the position. The real appeal with him is playing the match up though. It's rare you're able to predict someone as well as Moore. I need to put this into perspective with stats over the past three years..Grass - 10 Games Played - 32 Rec. - 385 Yards - 1 TDs

Turf - 24 Games Played - 105 Rec. - 1292 Yards - 17 TDs

So, over the past three years, he has averaged a 3.2/38.5/.1 stat line on grass as opposed to a 4.4/53.8/.7 stat line on turf. When the odds of him scoring a TD in a vacuum increase from 10% to 70% depending on the surface, it makes a world of difference. This is not an exact science but I'm quite confident his ceiling is somewhere around 12-14 points in 1PPR this week.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I just think with graham most likely out he makes a great 3wr or flex

I think I read he lead in targets before he got hurt

 

[SameSongNDance]

I just think with graham most likely out he makes a great 3wr or flexI think I read he lead in targets before he got hurt

Him leading in targets was more so a product of Colston's foot injury. Colston saw a pretty substantial decrease in snaps before getting healthy again.

Jimmy Graham (ankle) has been ruled out for Week 7 at Tampa Bay.

Graham is out though so I do feel much more comfortable flexing Moore this week.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

I think he's a WR2 so it's close. I was coupling him with Donnie Avery at 28th is before the news about Graham. I wish I could swith out Avery and Moore in my thurday FanDuel.