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Landlord of 20 years raising rent 50%, gave us 2 months notice. (1 Viewer)

Come on down to Florida….half of NY city already has…might as well join em.

In all seriousness….this may be your que to leave NY and look for a better and much cheaper place to live. Think of it as a new slate and a better life.

Wish you and your family the best.
South Florida is not cheap anymore, but the amount of money pouring into residential and commercial real estate is mind-boggling. Miami is the epicenter, but Ft. Lauderdale, WPB, and Tampa have lots of new and expensive construction in progress and planned. The Miami area has the 3rd highest skyline and its growing fast with Ken Griffin and others moving their entire operation here.

 
Couple things keeping us tied here...
What about the Path Train? Jersey City/Hoboken? If the 5 boroughs, i would say Astoria.

What's gonna hurt her pride more? Taking a job that's "beneath" her or living in Hoboken or Queens?

I kid, mostly. Lots of great advice in here, GBEF, and I know you guys will be OK, but this whole "not working" thing for her unreasonably irritates me.
 
Couple things keeping us tied here...

I work in very specific sector of architecture- high end residential interiors. When I say high end, I mean powder rooms that cost more than your house. While the projects and clients are around the world, the type of people doing this work are focused in a pretty small subset of major cities where NYC is at the center. I would need to move to one of those other places to get work... And those places have similar issues with high housing costs.

15yo floppinho is legit immersed here through HS. He's in Juilliards precollege program (waiting to hear about Carnegie Hall travelling orchestra) and won scholarship to his fancy private school. There's music and HS anywhere... But not quite like this.

La Floppa is a fashion designer who doesn't drive (or work). Makes those other spots tough for her.

11yo floppinha is the one that might benefit
leaving nyc the most as a new tennis player. But she also got into, and money from, her brothers fancy school... And does modeling/acting here- the acting is starting to pick up a bit. Not a great move for her, but the best of the 4 of us.
Well sounds like you are pretty much stuck there at least until the son is done. I do love NYC and the opportunities it presents. I see some long subway rides in your future.

Hoping for some good mojo to drop a great rental opportunity, or perhaps buying something out in the burbs, for you guys.
 
Sorry to hear Floppo. A lot of our kids' friends growing up left the city under similar circumstances. Rent control offers some relief but laws are full of loopholes to fall through.

It's sad that urban living in walkable cities with transit has become a luxury item in the past few decades.
 
I don’t get the Florida appeal at all. Don’t they get hurricanes there annually at this point? Then there’s the prospect of becoming “Florida man”.

No cold weather and beaches - it’s pretty simple and if those are things you value then it’s totally reasonable.
 
Nm he on w
That's a pretty douchey move for them.
I feel terrible for El Floppo, but if this a privately owned place, it wasn't exactly "fair" to the landlord to be losing 50% (of the market value) all this time. Not every landlord is loaded or wealthy. They need to live as well.
Hitting anyone with such a huge increase on such a short notice is not right. Of course the Landlord deserves to get whatever the market will bear. But there are ways to do this without such an unpleasant, sudden surprise.

@El Floppo if I were you I’d ask to meet the landlord and beg for 6 months and or an incremental rent raise over time. Explain your exact situation and put yourself at their mercy. Worst thing they will do is say no, which puts you in no worse a situation than you are now. And if you’re lucky they might just give you a break.
Zoom call to France scheduled already, gb.

The wife is insistent were not going anywhere until our son graduates HS in 2025.

I'm hoping to stay at current rent until the end of this summer and hope we find something else. As it is, they're asking us to leave before the end of the school year, which would be awful.

Would be great if the wife pulled in what's needed to cover the bump. She's insanely talented and should make more than me in her field (which pays more than mine). But she's been out of the work force for essential 15 years (consulting not withstanding) and not sure she'll even get offered anything, let alone at any kind of useful level. But we need to explore it more deeply.
my wife went back to work a few days a week about a year ago. Kid is now 16. She makes enough to cover the mortgage. I had no idea how much stress being the sole breadwinner was putting on me. I thank her all the time and remind her that shes paying the mortgage now and to get after it!

Five kids and one income from 2015 to 2022. Every day felt like another turn of the vice grips upon my marble bag. Wife went back to work on the fall and I feel like the Banker Guy on the Monopoly board.
 
I remember when I told ex mrs. fish that she had to go back to work to help pay for private school and the house that she insisted we needed to buy.

I also remember losing the house, half my money and paying marital support and child support.

But look at you now, boat owner!!!!11
 
Couple things keeping us tied here...
What about the Path Train? Jersey City/Hoboken? If the 5 boroughs, i would say Astoria.

What's gonna hurt her pride more? Taking a job that's "beneath" her or living in Hoboken or Queens?

I kid, mostly. Lots of great advice in here, GBEF, and I know you guys will be OK, but this whole "not working" thing for her unreasonably irritates me.
Hoboken ain't cheap
 
Couple things keeping us tied here...
What about the Path Train? Jersey City/Hoboken? If the 5 boroughs, i would say Astoria.

What's gonna hurt her pride more? Taking a job that's "beneath" her or living in Hoboken or Queens?

I kid, mostly. Lots of great advice in here, GBEF, and I know you guys will be OK, but this whole "not working" thing for her unreasonably irritates me.
Hoboken ain't cheap
I chose Hoboken from the list provided in the post to which I responded.
 
Couple things keeping us tied here...
What about the Path Train? Jersey City/Hoboken? If the 5 boroughs, i would say Astoria.

What's gonna hurt her pride more? Taking a job that's "beneath" her or living in Hoboken or Queens?

I kid, mostly. Lots of great advice in here, GBEF, and I know you guys will be OK, but this whole "not working" thing for her unreasonably irritates me.
Hoboken ain't cheap
I chose Hoboken from the list provided in the post to which I responded.
Jersey City, the livable parts, isn’t very cheap anymore either.
 
If I lost my job, I would wait tables tomorrow. I bet a city like NYC would be a great place to wait tables and make some easy cash. Hard job, stressful, but 20% of $100+ x 15-20 tables? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...............

Doesn't the bus staff, hostess, and cooks get a cut of that?
 
Sorry to here @El Floppo . I hope you are able to work something out.

From a landlord standpoint I recently had to do the same thing. Increased rent from $515 to $750 in one shot. I was spending more on repairs and taxes and insurance than I was taking in on rent. I had let the rent sit flat for 10 years but inflation and age of the home don't stand still for anyone.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.
 
Dang, Floppo. I hate you're going through this. Wish I had some advice but NYC might as well be Mars to me. My kids are 6th and 10th grade like yours and if they had to leave their magnet schools it would hurt them terribly. I get it. Hoping for a good outcome.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.
Original or extra crispy? Sorry, got distracted.

That sucks Flop, nothing to add of any value, but GL GB!
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
 
Couple things keeping us tied here...
What about the Path Train? Jersey City/Hoboken? If the 5 boroughs, i would say Astoria.

What's gonna hurt her pride more? Taking a job that's "beneath" her or living in Hoboken or Queens?

I kid, mostly. Lots of great advice in here, GBEF, and I know you guys will be OK, but this whole "not working" thing for her unreasonably irritates me.
Hoboken ain't cheap
You ain't lying.

Oh wait, I misread that.
 
Fml.

NYC. Just got the email for the landlord. Been in this spot 20+ years, through a fire and hurricane Sandy. Kids born and raised in this apt and immersed in their lives here. I can barely afford it as it is, and now won't be able to afford anything anywhere remotely near, for them or for me.

We're ****ed.

My work situation already is a hellhole rife with daily stress, long hours, not enough pay, and not doing what I'm best at and have 25 years experience with.

I'm about to implode.

Hope your Wednesday is going better than mine.
Dumb question—but have you replied back and spoken to your landlord since you got the email about the increase? As a landlord myself—I am very hesitant to raise rents too much to tenants that I know are good and take care of the property. If I have a good tenant—I am happy to charge them less than market value knowing that I can feel comfortable knowing that I have good people in my property. With that said—I don’t generally charge them “half” of market value. Nevertheless—putting a property back on the rental market is not easy for a landlord. There are lots of costs associated with restoring them back to a great condition for the next potential renters, marketing costs, commissions if the new renters come from a property management company or agency—and most importantly—the ambiguity of not knowing how responsible the next tenants will be. I would recommend communicating with your landlord about how difficult and potentially catastrophic such a dramatic increase like that would be for you and your family—and inquire if they have any sort of flexibility for a very long term tenant. Perhaps you guys can work out gradual incremental increases—or even work out a situation where you put some sweat equity into the property to offset some of the potential increases they are asking for. It doesn’t hurt to ask
 
My kid moved to NYC . So frickin expensive. $6K/month total for a 2 bedroom place he splits that is adequate at best. I know he needs to be there for his job of choice, but I hope he gets out once he's put in the necessary years to get NYC on his resume. San Fran might be close in costs, but NYC is like twice as much as Chicago, DC, etc. Can't imagine making less than $150K and trying to even get by there w a family. The city is fun, restaurants are great, and it's lively. But the price you pay for that ... move to San Diego, Dallas, or some middle cost city and you can enjoy the same stuff without so much pressure. And anywhere away from the northeast is gonna be more laid back. Most of us on the east coast are 100% type A jerks, and I include myself. So stressed out on this coast about pretty much everything.
 
Dang, Floppo. I hate you're going through this. Wish I had some advice but NYC might as well be Mars to me. My kids are 6th and 10th grade like yours and if they had to leave their magnet schools it would hurt them terribly. I get it. Hoping for a good outcome.
Yep, it would've been hard for me to uproot my family once the kids got into a magnet high school that had some resources many private schools didn't have. Plus leaving friends and their school activities would've been hard.

BTW, what talent does 15yo floppinho have? On the S FL angle, Miami has the New World School of the Arts, one of the better such magnet schools, with many successful alumni, including recent Tony and Academy award winners, but not in Julliards league.
 
Please change thread title to Mrs. Floppo
Fml.

NYC. Just got the email for the landlord. Been in this spot 20+ years, through a fire and hurricane Sandy. Kids born and raised in this apt and immersed in their lives here. I can barely afford it as it is, and now won't be able to afford anything anywhere remotely near, for them or for me.

We're ****ed.

My work situation already is a hellhole rife with daily stress, long hours, not enough pay, and not doing what I'm best at and have 25 years experience with.

I'm about to implode.

Hope your Wednesday is going better than mine.
Dumb question—but have you replied back and spoken to your landlord since you got the email about the increase? As a landlord myself—I am very hesitant to raise rents too much to tenants that I know are good and take care of the property. If I have a good tenant—I am happy to charge them less than market value knowing that I can feel comfortable knowing that I have good people in my property. With that said—I don’t generally charge them “half” of market value. Nevertheless—putting a property back on the rental market is not easy for a landlord. There are lots of costs associated with restoring them back to a great condition for the next potential renters, marketing costs, commissions if the new renters come from a property management company or agency—and most importantly—the ambiguity of not knowing how responsible the next tenants will be. I would recommend communicating with your landlord about how difficult and potentially catastrophic such a dramatic increase like that would be for you and your family—and inquire if they have any sort of flexibility for a very long term tenant. Perhaps you guys can work out gradual incremental increases—or even work out a situation where you put some sweat equity into the property to offset some of the potential increases they are asking for. It doesn’t hurt to ask
As a Brooklyn landlord my greatest fear is vacancy. Any increase I would like to have is meaningless if I have to eat an empty apartment for a few months.

Floppo, do the math on the increase and see how many months of vacancy that buys them. That knowledge will help your negotiating. Evictions take time and the halt in income might really hurt.

Of course my situation as a landlord (paying the mortgage and building equity) sounds different than this. Sounds to me like they might want to sell and are trying to get the rent up to support their asking price. The most likely buyers in Manhattan right now are investors who want the rental income.

I’ve got messages out to a few broker friends and real estate lawyers. Will let you know what I hear.
 
I don't want to assume anything about the current situation, but a 50% increase can't be more than $3000/month.

That's $36K/year.
Down here In Birmingham or Huntsville that kind of scratch, even with ridiculous mortgage rates we have now, will get you a 3,000+ sq.ft. house in a nice neighborhood with top 5% in the country public schools, some of the best hospitals in the country (UAB), etc. My kids' high school is top 2%, just built like the 3rd biggest band room in the country, etc.

And, seriously, Huntsville is exploding. Tons of opportunity down this way.
 
And a note to those of you who are telling him to move. The two hardest things to figure out for a NYC family are housing and education. Schooling here is brutal. Figuring out THAT is a full time job itself and Floppo and his dead beat wife nailed it. Failure to figure out school is what drove me and my wife to the burbs. It’s extremely difficult but if you can do it your kids have a world class education for free. His kid played music with Parquet Courts for crissake!
 
Seems insane to me that there is a niche industry of super high end architects designing crazy expensive homes and you can’t even afford rent in a half decent area in that city. Feels like you’re getting ripped off from both sides.
 

Landlord of 20 years raising rent 50%, gave us 2 months notice.​



For the sake of your kids, if you need help, you are welcome to reach out and contact me in PM. No promises, your situation seems, no offense, more and more complex the more you post about it. No judgement, there is clearly a lot of nuance to these sort of things.

If I were in your shoes, and I'm not, based on what you've said so far, it appears the best long term play is to take your youngest and move out of state. And see if your oldest can find a place to ride it out for high school, etc, etc. I may actually be the 2nd person in the thread to talk about this option.

In general, in situations like this, a lot of people want to focus on what they aren't willing to give up. That is burning time. The longer it takes to cross a certain mental/emotional threshold about the things you'll lose, the harder the logistics will end up.

My unsolicited suggestion to you at this point is to assess all the things you don't actually need to survive. I mean core essentials. I'd start selling everything outside of some very core needs. Whatever happens, you want to be lean and mobile. Odds are you've got two decades worth of stuff in that place, which is probably still a lot of stuff. You'll also want to cut off all your expenses down to rock bottom. Starting now. You can do this now, or you can do it later when it's ten times harder, but it's going to have to happen unfortunately.

What's happening to you here is happening to a lot of people out there. There are more complex discussions that can be had about it, but we can't have them here on these forums anymore. And I understand why that has to be. It's unfortunate in regards to some light discussion of actual NY public policy has some predictive elements that can lead to making a decision in one area versus another, i.e. what's the best percentage play as the entire housing market locally reacts.

In consideration of your children, you can reach out if you wish. If not, I wish you the best of luck as a fellow long time member of this community.
 
I remember when I told ex mrs. fish that she had to go back to work to help pay for private school and the house that she insisted we needed to buy.

I also remember losing the house, half my money and paying marital support and child support.

But look at you now, boat owner!!!!11
better come for a ride quick. I just gave myself a pay cut. One of them is getting sold. Roverkid living in NYC is expensive.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
 
If I lost my job, I would wait tables tomorrow. I bet a city like NYC would be a great place to wait tables and make some easy cash. Hard job, stressful, but 20% of $100+ x 15-20 tables? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...............

Doesn't the bus staff, hostess, and cooks get a cut of that?

Yeah, but that's not enough to dissuade folks from doing this job. I did it in and out of college and don't remember this ruining my shifts. Plus unless things have changed, you only have to disclose 10% of your income from tips to Uncle Sam.
 
If I lost my job, I would wait tables tomorrow. I bet a city like NYC would be a great place to wait tables and make some easy cash. Hard job, stressful, but 20% of $100+ x 15-20 tables? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...............

Doesn't the bus staff, hostess, and cooks get a cut of that?

Yeah, but that's not enough to dissuade folks from doing this job. I did it in and out of college and don't remember this ruining my shifts. Plus unless things have changed, you only have to disclose 10% of your income from tips to Uncle Sam.
Wasn't sure how it worked...just assumed.
 
I don't want to assume anything about the current situation, but a 50% increase can't be more than $3000/month.

That's $36K/year.
Down here In Birmingham or Huntsville that kind of scratch, even with ridiculous mortgage rates we have now, will get you a 3,000+ sq.ft. house in a nice neighborhood with top 5% in the country public schools, some of the best hospitals in the country (UAB), etc. My kids' high school is top 2%, just built like the 3rd biggest band room in the country, etc.

And, seriously, Huntsville is exploding. Tons of opportunity down this way.
Lived in So Cal all my life but had a job where our corporate office was in Birmingham. Couldn't believe how much house you could get for relatively little scratch. Looked like mansions to me, especially near where my co-workers lived (Riverchase Country Club). Then again, I walked 15 feet from my car to a frozen yogurt place and got 33 mosquito bites. There are trade offs.

So sorry to hear El Floppo. On one hand I feel that you were very fortunate to live in a very expensive city at 1/2 the going rate. That's unheard of. I think Gianmarco nailed it. Gotta find a way for the 2 of you to make more income if you don't want to uproot the kids. As others have said, it's all hands on deck. Should only be a few years to get through school - do whatever it takes. La Floppa needs to bring in some jack. Unfair to put that all on you. Best of luck amigo.
 

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