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Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.
October is one of THE BEST months in Michigan! I'll concede parts of November and December, but April can be beautiful as well. Sun is shining bright in my face right now. 8" of snow on the ground though :wink:

FWIW... I love to visit Florida.
My cousin sent me pics from yesterday up there. Holy Moses that was a lot of snow. Looked beautiful though.

I had to shovel our driveway once a few years ago when Oregon had some sort of snowpocalypse!!11 and I almost suffered a heart attack. I couldn't imagine doing that on the reg.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.

You're telling me Michigan doesn't have bugs in the summer?????? I'm pretty sure your state bird is a mosquito.

Of course we do, but nothing like Florida. I have DynaTraps in my back yard and never have an issue.

Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.

I've gone back with my wife twice in the dead of winter. Never again. I had nightly nose bleeds because the indoor air is so damn dry. I'm pretty sure my MIL thinks I have a giant cocaine problem.
And I thought I was a wimp... :wink: Doesn't your MIL have a humidifier on her HVAC? Pretty standard in any cold weather climate.
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
 
Staten Island rents seem reasonable by my local Miami standards. How's the neighborhood?
Depends

I live in a beautiful, quiet neighborhood

I would certainly give floppo advice on which neighborhoods to avoid or focus on if he wanted.
I thought he had to stay in Manhatten in order for his kids to "qualify" for the school programs?
I don't think so
My bad if that's not the case...
 
From a purely financial standpoint, it actually probably won't pay off. How many hours will she spend on this when it's all said and done, and what does that work out to be per hour? Seems very likely that you'd be much better off with her actually earning income vs. hypothetical savings (which can still be realized with far fewer hours).

Like everyone else I feel for you, but a red flag for me is how you said the topic of her working hasn't even been discussed yet. I'm not quite sure how that's even possible tbh. She can still kick *** while working, and IMO she would be kicking even more *** if she were. Even if it's part time, or consulting (like you said she's done), that should be enough to bridge the gap.


There may be some cultural nuances here at play as well, but that kind of stuff can actually become very complex.

In general, I've always come to believe that you should expect from people from what they've always given you. I'm not saying people should live with those expectations absolutely, but that what's predictive isn't exactly a type of pure rocket science. If she hasn't worked in 15 years or more, odds are she won't moving forward.

Her option tree as an individual are much larger than his option tree as a head of the household. Someone who marries you for you, will do what it takes to bring in the tides to raise all boats altogether. Someone who marries the lifestyle, will do what it takes to maintain that lifestyle. That's everyone. All relationships. Not just Floppo's situation.

Actions are the truth. Nothing else is it's equal in that regard.

If she consults a family law attorney, as of today, her best outcome as an individual would be to file for divorce right now. That's what she will be told. She will also be told not to work nor seek employment.

If he consults a family law attorney, as of today, his best outcome as the head of household would be to move to a much lower cost of living area and set roots before a potential divorce. That's what he will be told.

If I was in this situation, if I was Floppo, I'd ask her once to enter the workforce for the sake of the kids. If she hesitates or refuses, I'd file for divorce. You are on the team and a team player, or you are not. The financial devastation for Floppo is pretty much assured either way. However one of the worst things that parents can do in front of kids is have long term conflict / acrimony / resentment / fights over money. Kids typically end up blaming themselves as the reason for the financial hardship. I consider divorce better than putting kids through that, but that's my take, no one has to agree with it.

If someone says to me - "We are not moving"

Then I take it exactly the same as - "I am not moving. But you might"

There is no point in negotiating over something that can't be negotiated or shouldn't be negotiated. Just better to move forward with the remainder of the team that wants to be part of that team.

The consideration Floppo will make is divorce will split his household in half. That's true. But if there are endless fights and blood shed over money, then the household is split in half already. At least a divorce, in that context, would be more in line with the truth of the matter. Which is a better example for the kids overall, for their long term benefit.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.

You're telling me Michigan doesn't have bugs in the summer?????? I'm pretty sure your state bird is a mosquito.

Of course we do, but nothing like Florida. I have DynaTraps in my back yard and never have an issue.

Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.

I've gone back with my wife twice in the dead of winter. Never again. I had nightly nose bleeds because the indoor air is so damn dry. I'm pretty sure my MIL thinks I have a giant cocaine problem.
And I thought I was a wimp... :wink: Doesn't your MIL have a humidifier on her HVAC? Pretty standard in any cold weather climate.

I've never inspected their HVAC unit and to be honest, if I did, it would be just like it is when I open up the hood of a car having troubles - I look around like I'm doing something, wiggle some things, and then just shut the hood. I have the handyman/mechanic skills of a river otter.
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.
 
there are places that will pay her under the table. she needs to swallow her pride and get any job. 6 hours a day, 3 days a week, brings in $1080 tax free. and as she's slinging coffee or whatever, she can look for her "real job" and there are ways around showing too much income. just have to get creative. and do they audit you yearly?
Where would one find such an under the table job?
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.

Yeah, but you own two boats Mr. Gates! ;)
 
there are places that will pay her under the table. she needs to swallow her pride and get any job. 6 hours a day, 3 days a week, brings in $1080 tax free. and as she's slinging coffee or whatever, she can look for her "real job" and there are ways around showing too much income. just have to get creative. and do they audit you yearly?
Where would one find such an under the table job?

PM Omar.....
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.

Yeah, but you own two boats Mr. Gates! ;)
Not for long. I'm going to sell one. I just gave myself a pay cut.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.

I've gone back with my wife twice in the dead of winter. Never again. I had nightly nose bleeds because the indoor air is so damn dry. I'm pretty sure my MIL thinks I have a giant cocaine problem.
Are you saying you don't?
 
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
From a purely financial standpoint, it actually probably won't pay off. How many hours will she spend on this when it's all said and done, and what does that work out to be per hour? Seems very likely that you'd be much better off with her actually earning income vs. hypothetical savings (which can still be realized with far fewer hours).

Like everyone else I feel for you, but a red flag for me is how you said the topic of her working hasn't even been discussed yet. I'm not quite sure how that's even possible tbh. She can still kick *** while working, and IMO she would be kicking even more *** if she were. Even if it's part time, or consulting (like you said she's done), that should be enough to bridge the gap.
I think they discussed her working, atleast in her prior field.
From a purely financial standpoint, it actually probably won't pay off. How many hours will she spend on this when it's all said and done, and what does that work out to be per hour? Seems very likely that you'd be much better off with her actually earning income vs. hypothetical savings (which can still be realized with far fewer hours).

Like everyone else I feel for you, but a red flag for me is how you said the topic of her working hasn't even been discussed yet. I'm not quite sure how that's even possible tbh. She can still kick *** while working, and IMO she would be kicking even more *** if she were. Even if it's part time, or consulting (like you said she's done), that should be enough to bridge the gap.


There may be some cultural nuances here at play as well, but that kind of stuff can actually become very complex.

In general, I've always come to believe that you should expect from people from what they've always given you. I'm not saying people should live with those expectations absolutely, but that what's predictive isn't exactly a type of pure rocket science. If she hasn't worked in 15 years or more, odds are she won't moving forward.

Her option tree as an individual are much larger than his option tree as a head of the household. Someone who marries you for you, will do what it takes to bring in the tides to raise all boats altogether. Someone who marries the lifestyle, will do what it takes to maintain that lifestyle. That's everyone. All relationships. Not just Floppo's situation.

Actions are the truth. Nothing else is it's equal in that regard.

If she consults a family law attorney, as of today, her best outcome as an individual would be to file for divorce right now. That's what she will be told. She will also be told not to work nor seek employment.

If he consults a family law attorney, as of today, his best outcome as the head of household would be to move to a much lower cost of living area and set roots before a potential divorce. That's what he will be told.

If I was in this situation, if I was Floppo, I'd ask her once to enter the workforce for the sake of the kids. If she hesitates or refuses, I'd file for divorce. You are on the team and a team player, or you are not. The financial devastation for Floppo is pretty much assured either way. However one of the worst things that parents can do in front of kids is have long term conflict / acrimony / resentment / fights over money. Kids typically end up blaming themselves as the reason for the financial hardship. I consider divorce better than putting kids through that, but that's my take, no one has to agree with it.

If someone says to me - "We are not moving"

Then I take it exactly the same as - "I am not moving. But you might"

There is no point in negotiating over something that can't be negotiated or shouldn't be negotiated. Just better to move forward with the remainder of the team that wants to be part of that team.

The consideration Floppo will make is divorce will split his household in half. That's true. But if there are endless fights and blood shed over money, then the household is split in half already. At least a divorce, in that context, would be more in line with the truth of the matter. Which is a better example for the kids overall, for their long term benefit.
Damn, you’ve got the guy consulting a divorce lawyer already lol? Give her a few days to internalize what is happening. Ultimately, it’s her situation that will probably end up changing the most. After being able to stay home for 15 years, that’s gonna hit hard. If no other option surfaces and she still refuses to seek employment to help out, then I might start wondering why she wants that gap in our incomes.
 
there are places that will pay her under the table. she needs to swallow her pride and get any job. 6 hours a day, 3 days a week, brings in $1080 tax free. and as she's slinging coffee or whatever, she can look for her "real job" and there are ways around showing too much income. just have to get creative. and do they audit you yearly?
Where would one find such an under the table job?
Mom and pop places. It’s NYC, can’t be all that hard.
 
It's a tough situation. Bottom line is sacrifices have to be made somewhere.

1) Find a way to make more income. That's either through your current job, a side hustle, your wife working or a combination of those 3
2) Cut unnecessary expenses to the bone and sell off what you don't need
3) Move to a lower cost of living area. You may not like it, but also may not have much of a choice. You're going to pay market now so a commute is likely

I understand that you need to be near high end areas in your line of work. My best friend does the highest end cabinetry in the world. Really expensive stuff. But it's dependent on expensive houses and high net worth people. Plenty of that here in So Cal (just did Reece Witherspoon's house). So you're not going to find low COL anywhere you need to work. Sounds like a commute is in your future. I'd be willing to do that for a few years for the sake of my kids. But not long term.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.

I've gone back with my wife twice in the dead of winter. Never again. I had nightly nose bleeds because the indoor air is so damn dry. I'm pretty sure my MIL thinks I have a giant cocaine problem.
Are you saying you don't?

I can't afford even a small sized cocaine problem. :bag:
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.
October is one of THE BEST months in Michigan! I'll concede parts of November and December, but April can be beautiful as well. Sun is shining bright in my face right now. 8" of snow on the ground though :wink:

FWIW... I love to visit Florida.
My cousin sent me pics from yesterday up there. Holy Moses that was a lot of snow. Looked beautiful though.

I had to shovel our driveway once a few years ago when Oregon had some sort of snowpocalypse!!11 and I almost suffered a heart attack. I couldn't imagine doing that on the reg.

They make a machine called a snowblower.
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.

I've gone back with my wife twice in the dead of winter. Never again. I had nightly nose bleeds because the indoor air is so damn dry. I'm pretty sure my MIL thinks I have a giant cocaine problem.
Are you saying you don't?

I can't afford even a small sized cocaine problem. :bag:
Demand the wife get a 2nd job
 
Fml.

NYC. Just got the email for the landlord. Been in this spot 20+ years, through a fire and hurricane Sandy. Kids born and raised in this apt and immersed in their lives here. I can barely afford it as it is, and now won't be able to afford anything anywhere remotely near, for them or for me.

We're ****ed.

My work situation already is a hellhole rife with daily stress, long hours, not enough pay, and not doing what I'm best at and have 25 years experience with.

I'm about to implode.

Hope your Wednesday is going better than mine.

I thought NYC had some sort of rule on Rental and stuff. I don't remember exactly but this happened to friends of mine from New Rochelle SP. I think the landlord needs to give more notice to allow you to find a place. I believe my friends found out in January and had till late may Early June to find something.
 
Do you know if that is definitely legal? It may be, but sometimes there are rules on how much it can be raised, I think. Might want to check into that if you haven't.
It’s probably legal. But it’s terrible. In all the years I’ve been a landlord (mostly commercial but some residential) I’ve never given anyone such a huge rent increase. It’s always been incremental over time, and I always talk to the tenant first, never a form letter or email. There’s a right and wrong way of doing things. This is crap. I’m really sorry it’s happening to you.

Unfortunately not everyone is a good landlord. My dad since he took over this property has been pretty good with the tenants and reasonable
 
Florida is fine if you like car washes and storage facilities on every block and infinite billboards featuring either strippers or car accident lawyers.

I mean it was 75 today all day and cloudless so that part rules but there’s a lot to dislike here too. It’s a great place to be outside, surrounded by either your neighbors from up north or the strangest guy you’ve ever seen in your life whose skin resembles fried chicken. He’s holding a Miller lite bottle and mumbling something you can’t hear. Chances are he’s on the run for crimes.

For me it's the heat and mosquitos. Lived there a long time but can't do it anymore. Heck my business is in Florida and I don't even live there.
I look at it like May through September sucks, and I just try to be inside or go swimming. The other 7 months are usually pretty great, and I don’t have to deal with snow and winter. But to each their own.
I live in Michigan. I look at it like January through April sucks, and I just try to be inside or go driving. The other 8 months are usually pretty great, and I don't have to deal with sweltering heat, humidity, bugs, and hurricanes. But to each their own.
I have spent a lot of time in Michigan. That “sucks” part extends out to October imo. There’s no sun for 7 months there. You all look like Casper.


I do love visiting there though.
October is one of THE BEST months in Michigan! I'll concede parts of November and December, but April can be beautiful as well. Sun is shining bright in my face right now. 8" of snow on the ground though :wink:

FWIW... I love to visit Florida.
My cousin sent me pics from yesterday up there. Holy Moses that was a lot of snow. Looked beautiful though.

I had to shovel our driveway once a few years ago when Oregon had some sort of snowpocalypse!!11 and I almost suffered a heart attack. I couldn't imagine doing that on the reg.

They make a machine called a snowblower.

Interesting. That's what my MIL was calling me after my last winter visit to Michigan.
 
That's a pretty douchey move for them. Sorry to hear.

Here in Ontario, CAN the maximum increase is about 3% a year. Seems very unfair to not have any limits imposed.

Canada has better laws then the US to protect people unfortunately from Health care to Labor to housing. The US is more of a **** the poor type as long as the big shots get theirs.
 
there are places that will pay her under the table. she needs to swallow her pride and get any job. 6 hours a day, 3 days a week, brings in $1080 tax free. and as she's slinging coffee or whatever, she can look for her "real job" and there are ways around showing too much income. just have to get creative. and do they audit you yearly?
Where would one find such an under the table job?


You are being intentionally pedantic. It's beneath you.

What @DA RAIDERS is talking about is being "dynamic" instead of static. It doesn't matter if she's bringing home 40 dollars a week collecting cans and bottles. Or volunteering at food bank so she can bring home food to save on groceries, the point is to show up and show out as a full "team player"

It's nice if the kids have opportunities for a good college and all that, however we are talking basics here. A roof over your head. Running water. Electricity. Basic sanitation. Basic shelter to regulate one's core temperature. If you don't have basics, everything else is a luxury.

If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way.

The larger unsettling issue is you have a mother choosing, so far, some issue or some consideration or some circumstance ABOVE the basic needs of her children. If you choose to have children, making the choice naturally removes all other kinds of choices in your life. If she's disabled or has serious mental health problems, that's one thing, but that doesn't seem to be in line with what's being discussed.

Put it this way, if she was working two jobs, the older kid was working, Floppo was working two jobs, and everyone was "buying in" to the team situation, and it just wasn't working out, and if there was architecture work in Boston, I'd probably offer up my place in Beacon Hill rent free to give Floppo a bit of a head start for six months. But my context is like everyone else's out there. People are going to want to help you if you are trying to help yourself first. They won't if you don't. This is where this situation has the deep roots of going bad very quickly. The optics to outsiders and potential landlords doesn't help this situation at all.

A family unit is like a ship. There can be only one captain. And unless you are minor, the elderly near death, disabled or severely mentally ill - then there are no passengers , only crew.

Part of the point of parenthood is to prepare our children for this hard cold brutal world after we die. If you want your kids to make it, they need to understand a very basic concept - There are no passengers on this ride, only crew.

For whatever reason, what the wife is doing or not doing is not just actively hurting the existing complex situation, but it's also a bad example.

Whatever is going on, for whatever reason, is not actually putting the kids first. What is the point of preparing for a kid's college if you are going to risk being homeless in three months?

There's a lot of talk about what people want and what they won't give up. There's what you have today. There's what needs to be done. How anyone feels about doing what needs to be done was a right surrendered the day those kids were born. That's for every single last parent here.
 
That's a pretty douchey move for them.
I feel terrible for El Floppo, but if this a privately owned place, it wasn't exactly "fair" to the landlord to be losing 50% (of the market value) all this time. Not every landlord is loaded or wealthy. They need to live as well.
Hitting anyone with such a huge increase on such a short notice is not right. Of course the Landlord deserves to get whatever the market will bear. But there are ways to do this without such an unpleasant, sudden surprise.

@El Floppo if I were you I’d ask to meet the landlord and beg for 6 months and or an incremental rent raise over time. Explain your exact situation and put yourself at their mercy. Worst thing they will do is say no, which puts you in no worse a situation than you are now. And if you’re lucky they might just give you a break.
Zoom call to France scheduled already, gb.

The wife is insistent were not going anywhere until our son graduates HS in 2025.

I'm hoping to stay at current rent until the end of this summer and hope we find something else. As it is, they're asking us to leave before the end of the school year, which would be awful.

Would be great if the wife pulled in what's needed to cover the bump. She's insanely talented and should make more than me in her field (which pays more than mine). But she's been out of the work force for essential 15 years (consulting not withstanding) and not sure she'll even get offered anything, let alone at any kind of useful level. But we need to explore it more deeply.

I agree with a few others I don't want to tell you how to run your marriage but it's a bit concerning to me your wife doesn't work more and expects you to do most if not all the work. In todays world you can't live with one income. My GF wants to be a stay at home mom while I work eventually but I'm trying to tell her unless the two of us get better jobs with this economy that ain't ever happening.
 
If I lost my job, I would wait tables tomorrow. I bet a city like NYC would be a great place to wait tables and make some easy cash. Hard job, stressful, but 20% of $100+ x 15-20 tables? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...............

Given that I took RAMP Certification training which is your basic alcohol sales training in PA if I lost my job today I could go work at any restaurant right now that serves alcohol. I'd also be very enticing to them because I'm already certified trained for the RAMP part so that is one less thing they'd have to worry about. It's good pay waiting tables at times but Ive had friends do it in Philly/NYC/DC/NJ and the major cities suck at times. No one pays a fair tip % and there's been times my friends haven't even been tipped and this was at high end places so you know the people were just being cheap bastards.
 
As someone who grew up in an outer borough, went to a specialized HS in NYC, and who currently lives on Long Island, I'll offer an opinion. I normally wouldn't, but since I have a modicum of an idea of what the OP is dealing with, I'll put it out there. I do so with all respect for the OP and the situation, and frankly a lot of admiration for everything the family has accomplished.

Find a 2BR/3BR rental at your current rental rate somewhere in the 5 boroughs.

Location is the ultimate luxury in NYC. Unfortunately, you'll probably have to sacrifice this a bit now given the circumstances. But that seems to be the least-worst outcome here in a very not-ideal situation.

Genuinely rooting for the OP here.
 
Damn, you’ve got the guy consulting a divorce lawyer already lol? Give her a few days to internalize what is happening. Ultimately, it’s her situation that will probably end up changing the most. After being able to stay home for 15 years, that’s gonna hit hard. If no other option surfaces and she still refuses to seek employment to help out, then I might start wondering why she wants that gap in our incomes.


When you ask someone to marry you, and you give them a ring, and they say "Yes", they are agreeing to be a "team player"

For life. For the rest of their life. For the rest of your life. For the rest of the lives of your children.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not going to negotiate with someone to do something that they've already agreed to do.

"Whatever It Takes"

That's what you agree to as a parent. Whatever it takes to keep these kids safe and secure, that's what we are going to do. Whatever it takes to set a good example for these kids, that's what we are going to do. Whatever it takes to ensure they can make it after we die, that's what we are going to do. A kid can make it if they don't get into some Ivy League school. A kid is not likely going to make it if they are homeless.

Most of you are not employers. Most of you are not small business owners. Most of you don't have to deal with the grief, tribulations and stress of dealing with personnel at that level. Let me share a secret with all of you.

Some employers struggle to "fire" people. It's just something they don't want to do. They don't like confrontation. They remember if they were fired before once. They felt guilt.

Do you know how you get used to firing people? You do it when you understand that the person "quit" on you first. You are simply affirming that they quit on you.

Did I fire you? Or did you "quit" when you refused to keep showing up on time? Did I fire you? Or did you "quit" when you stole money from the till? Did I fire you? Or did you "quit" when you kept sexually harassing a coworker?

I REFUSE TO RENEGOTIATE ON A SETTLED DEAL INVOLVING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF CHILDREN.

If you take the ring and you choose to have kids, then you either step up when the tides need to be forced in to raise all the boats altogether. Or you "quit" on the team.

From my viewpoint, the option of divorce is not "firing" your spouse. It's affirming that they "quit" on our children.

I love my godson more than my own life. I'd gladly walk through hell and give up my own life a thousand times over to keep him safe. There's nothing in this life I wouldn't sacrifice, kill, burn down or massacre outright to see that his future is assured. But saying those words means nothing. It only matters if my actions are in line with those values. People speak the truth in their actions.

If someone "quits" on you, they aren't on your team. They were never on your team. They chose by their actions to show they don't really want to be there. So I don't want them there either. I love my godson too much to put that kind of "example" in front of him.
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.
So do lots of people, but those admission consultants aren't working full time for any one client. Mrs. Floppo can still fill that role for their kid in addition to working part or even full time, it doesn't have to be either/or.
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.
I’m with @General Malaise for this one. My oldest did a ton of college prep/tests/applications on his own. He applied to one Ivy because that’s where I went and we visited there because he wanted to and it was close enough to my parents. He was close but didn’t have the 1500+ SAT and 5 AP courses his freshman year to make it but he got into multiple honors colleges and got a nice scholarship. He loved it and is graduating this year with only two Bs in Physics which he didn’t like at all. Couldn’t be more proud. Hopefully, he ends up in the job or PhD programs he applied to but I don’t think he’d be the same if we did all the leg work for him. I honestly think his independence and solid performance in college has actually rubbed off on his other brothers especially my youngest. My middle son is leaning in state because he got into one he wanted and it way less expensive. I’m actually proud he’s thought about that and I told him he wouldn’t need to take loans out if he went there. He’s my least academic kid but coming out of school with $0 debt is important to him. My wife, god love her seems intent to make sure he doesn’t want to go elsewhere. 🤦‍♂️
 
I get that but they are all old enough now that she no longer needs to be that.
Fwiw, the legwork she's doing now (kid is a HS sophomore) looking at colleges, tuitions and aid... I already know will pay off when the time comes.

I get that it's easy to judge that she's not working, but This woman genuinely kicks *** at everything she does. Of course I would love for her to add some income while she's doing that other work- I'm sure once she went back in shed tear it up like she's does everything else she does.
Its a bit arrogant. She does sound like a bit of a helicopter mom. Why is she doing tons of legwork for your children's college? I guess that doesnt make sense. Theres plenty of dual parent working homes where the parents put in tons of legwork for their kids too.

Yeah, I just feel like the more I read about Flopp's life the less I understand. It's like a completely different reality than the one I live in. But I've never even been to NYC so what do I know?

I do have two kids in college, one of them got a full ride. I had next to nothing to do with that, neither did his mom or step mom. But again, we're just simple folks living in Oregon, going to the state U. There was never any talk of an Ivy or Stanford. And I've never lost a second's sleep because of it.
Top tier schools are incredibly competitive. I hired an admissions consultant for Roverkid. Sounds like Mrs. Floppo is filling that role. I wouldn't expect a teenager, even a very talented one, to be able to navigate admissions and aid relating to these types of schools.
So do lots of people, but those admission consultants aren't working full time for any one client. Mrs. Floppo can still fill that role for their kid in addition to working part or even full time, it doesn't have to be either/or.
The one I used takes on 6 clients a year. Mrs. Floppo's got 2 kids and is also dealing with their school and extracurricular schedules. I'd hardly characterize that as a helicopter mom as jobarules did. That doesn't have anything to do with whether it would benefit the household to take on a full or part time job. This is a pretty critical time for teenagers bound for upper-tier schools. It's hard for an outsider to judge how to balance the value of what she's contributing versus the benefit of more money, especially for those talking about a low wage part time gig versus a career-type position.

This stuff is stressful, and I don't envy our friend El Floppo one bit. I just took a fairly large financial hit while paying my kid's tuition and housing in NYC. That was bad enough, without having to worry about relocating or trying not to strain a marriage.
 

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