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Lane Kiffin could be fired as early as Monday (1 Viewer)

This will get lost in this whole mess, but Kiffin is not without blame here. Any coach that pulls the sort of stuff he did after the season, flirting with college jobs, complaining that he can only work with the players he has, etc., would get roasted elsewhere. Kiffin doesn't, because it is easier to place all the blame on Davis. And this is coming from the biggest Kiffin backer you will find. I love the kid, and he WILL be a head coach elsewhere in the league. I would like nothing more than for Davis to let Kiffin do whatever he wanted. Kiffin is a young head coach. He has no pedigree. He made comments this past summer that implied he wanted more say in the roster. Frankly, he doesn't deserve it. The Raiders need a GM, but I am not sure Lane Kiffin should be controlling the whole show. And he was only here a year, and was 4-12. That's kinda early in your career to be pulling a Parcells. I am not apologizing for Davis, but it is more and more apparent that Kiffin, like Gruden, took the job as a springboard to something else.
Agree 100%. Pretty much echoes my feelings above. Like you, I'm not an Al Davis apologist, and he obviously needs to relinquish decisions to someone who can help truly rebuild this team on the field and off. But here is a 30-something coach who Al took a chance on, a former college assistant with little if any experience as an offensive coordinator, and if it weren't for Al Davis' willingness to take chances on young coaches (Madden and Gruden, to name a few), someone who is not an obvious candidate for a head coaching job at the NFL level. To expect full control, especially on a team like the Raiders, is unrealistic and Kiffin should have known this coming in, rather than whine about the unfairness of it all in the press.Davis is old school-- respect and loyalty are tantamount to his organization. Kiffin searching for jobs at UCLA and Arkansas at the end of last season violates Al's code -- whether Kiffin agrees with this code of loyalty or not, it is Al's team, and you don't come to work for the Raiders without intuiting this. Kiffin did some good things -- he got the Raiders quasi-competitive last year (despite the 4-12 record, they lost 7 games by 7 points or less), made some key shifts on the O-line that helped the running attack. Davis, too, has done some great things in bringing in some key offensive and defensive players like Nnamdi Asomuga,JaMarcus and McFadden, who can be cornerstones of the team going forward. The guy has won three superbowls doing it his way, too. As a coach and commissioner, to pass Davis off as a doddering old fool who doesn't know football is naive.There is fault on both sides, for sure. But Kiffin hasn't helped his own case. At this point, looks like too much damage has been done, and both sides would be best to part ways, for the team, and the fans.
 
I fail to see how anything has changed with the loss. Seems more like wishful thinking on the reporter's part. Davis doesnt want to pay to coaches and Kiffin isnt going to quit.

 
This will get lost in this whole mess, but Kiffin is not without blame here. Any coach that pulls the sort of stuff he did after the season, flirting with college jobs, complaining that he can only work with the players he has, etc., would get roasted elsewhere. Kiffin doesn't, because it is easier to place all the blame on Davis. And this is coming from the biggest Kiffin backer you will find. I love the kid, and he WILL be a head coach elsewhere in the league. I would like nothing more than for Davis to let Kiffin do whatever he wanted. Kiffin is a young head coach. He has no pedigree. He made comments this past summer that implied he wanted more say in the roster. Frankly, he doesn't deserve it. The Raiders need a GM, but I am not sure Lane Kiffin should be controlling the whole show. And he was only here a year, and was 4-12. That's kinda early in your career to be pulling a Parcells. I am not apologizing for Davis, but it is more and more apparent that Kiffin, like Gruden, took the job as a springboard to something else.
Agree 100%. Pretty much echoes my feelings above. Like you, I'm not an Al Davis apologist, and he obviously needs to relinquish decisions to someone who can help truly rebuild this team on the field and off. But here is a 30-something coach who Al took a chance on, a former college assistant with little if any experience as an offensive coordinator, and if it weren't for Al Davis' willingness to take chances on young coaches (Madden and Gruden, to name a few), someone who is not an obvious candidate for a head coaching job at the NFL level. To expect full control, especially on a team like the Raiders, is unrealistic and Kiffin should have known this coming in, rather than whine about the unfairness of it all in the press.Davis is old school-- respect and loyalty are tantamount to his organization. Kiffin searching for jobs at UCLA and Arkansas at the end of last season violates Al's code -- whether Kiffin agrees with this code of loyalty or not, it is Al's team, and you don't come to work for the Raiders without intuiting this. Kiffin did some good things -- he got the Raiders quasi-competitive last year (despite the 4-12 record, they lost 7 games by 7 points or less), made some key shifts on the O-line that helped the running attack. Davis, too, has done some great things in bringing in some key offensive and defensive players like Nnamdi Asomuga,JaMarcus and McFadden, who can be cornerstones of the team going forward. The guy has won three superbowls doing it his way, too. As a coach and commissioner, to pass Davis off as a doddering old fool who doesn't know football is naive.There is fault on both sides, for sure. But Kiffin hasn't helped his own case. At this point, looks like too much damage has been done, and both sides would be best to part ways, for the team, and the fans.
You can't be a yes man to Al Davis and win in the NFL, you just can't. Kiffin played this game the right way but Al refuses to have another Gruden controlling anything. That defense needs a change in philosophy not money tossed at players who are egotistical and overrated (I'm looking at you DeAngelo Hall). The ESPN article posted in here basically says it all... Kiffin saying he isn't in control of the defense and saying that Ryan and "the owner" discuss what happens on defense. Al is barely qualified to wipe his own ### let alone make decisions on defensive philosophy. Can we please stop acting like the guy was out of line for asking for some control of the roster? Every NFL coach has some say about roster decisions because if they don't then the system they want to run won't be run right. Kiffin has ZERO. How does anyone expect a coach to react when the owner expects him to ask to go to the bathroom. I'm not a Raiders fan but I have a lot of respect for how Kiffin made that team look last year, especially with the Shell fiasco. It's a shame he will have this black mark on his record but I think he will shine when he gets an opportunity elsewhere.
 
Raiders owner Al Davis is prepared to fire Lane Kiffin during the season, according to the San Jose Mercury News.Kiffin's time as head coach will reportedly end by as soon as Monday, though a win against the Chiefs might buy him another week. Davis has reconsidered after wanting to fire Kiffin before, so nothing is for certain. He's only fired a coach in-season once previously; Davis canned Mike Shanahan four games into the 1989 season. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, receivers coach James Lofton, and offensive coordinator Gregg Knapp would all be candidates to replace Kiffin. Source: San Jose Mercury News
 
You can't be a yes man to Al Davis and win in the NFL, you just can't.
Three Lombardi trophies says otherwise. Not absolving either what Al Davis or Lane Kiffin has done to make matters worse, but the way Al Davis has run this team hasn't changed since he took ownership of it.
Times change. YOu can't expect to manage a team like you did in the 70's and win in today's game. This game has passed AD.
 
You can't be a yes man to Al Davis and win in the NFL, you just can't.
Three Lombardi trophies says otherwise. Not absolving either what Al Davis or Lane Kiffin has done to make matters worse, but the way Al Davis has run this team hasn't changed since he took ownership of it.
Times change. YOu can't expect to manage a team like you did in the 70's and win in today's game. This game has passed AD.
Worked in 2003.Again, not absolving Al Davis here, there's plenty of blame to go around. And that's the point. Kiffin isn't innocent in making the situation much worse.
 
San Jose Mercury News article

In a conversation about Coach Lane Kiffin in mid-August, Raiders owner Al Davis said, "He's not the guy I hired." The endgame is coming soon, according to several front-office people, who spoke on condition of anonymity. They say Davis is prepared to fire Kiffin before season's end, perhaps as soon as Monday, regardless of the outcome of today's game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Neither Davis nor Kiffin could be reached for comment. However, on Wednesday, Kiffin said: "You have to look at the history. History is what it is, that (Davis) doesn't keep people very long. We don't have a general manager. Everything goes through (Davis). That sets up a difficult situation at times. Knowing who the owner is, you know from Day One there's no job security." Davis has fired a coach during the season only once in 46 years with the Raiders. That happened in 1989, when he jettisoned Mike Shanahan after four games.

Davis has numerous head-coach candidates on his staff, though it remains unclear who would be the favorite. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan interviewed for the vacancy in 2007. Receivers coach James Lofton has interviewed for the job at least twice. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp canceled a scheduled interview for the vacancy in 2004 so that he could join Jim Mora's Atlanta Falcons staff. Running backs coach Tom Rathman is a Davis favorite.

Davis reached his current state even before the Raiders were humiliated by the Denver Broncos 41-14 at home in front of a sold-out crowd and a national TV audience Monday night. His once-rosy relationship with Kiffin deteriorated soon after the Raiders finished 4-12 in Kiffin's first season as an NFL coach last year. Kiffin wanted Ryan removed. Davis balked. Kiffin, in essence, asked to be fired if he couldn't have control over player personnel and the makeup of the coaching staff. Davis, in essence, told Kiffin that he should quit if he didn't like it.

A rash of personnel moves by Davis further rankled Kiffin, still seething over being forced to retain Ryan. Davis hired Lofton without Kiffin's knowledge, according to a person close to Kiffin. The Raiders contend that Kiffin was apprised of the hiring and found out long before the ink dried. Davis also signed off on moves that included a trade for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, the re-signing of defensive tackle Tommy Kelly to a contract that guaranteed him $18.125 million and the signing of injury-prone wide receiver Javon Walker to a contract that guarantees him $11 million this season. Kiffin's discontent grew with each development, to the point he voiced his displeasure on a regular basis.

Last week, Kiffin distanced himself from his team's defensive meltdown against the Broncos by saying Ryan and Davis conspire on the game plans. Ryan countered by saying he is in sole control of the defense and that Kiffin has input. Kiffin also decried the lack of talent at his disposal, as well as Davis' failure to make enough roster moves during training camp so that the coach could foster the kind of competitive atmosphere he desired and field enough healthy bodies to accomplish the things he viewed as crucial during practices.

Now it appears as if there is no turning back. Those people in the front office say Kiffin has alienated himself from everyone who doesn't run, pass or block. His only known ally is director of football operations Mark Jackson. Jackson came to the Raiders at Kiffin's insistence. They formed a relationship during several years together at USC. He, too, has fallen from favor with Davis in recent months and has been stripped of his power.

Former Raiders coach Jon Gruden faced a similar crucible when he brought the Raiders to Arrowhead Stadium for the 1999 season finale. The Raiders upset the Chiefs that day. In the process, they kept the Chiefs from making the playoffs and saved Gruden's job. At this point, not even a convincing victory today is apt to help Kiffin. At best, it might buy him a couple of more weeks, sources in the front office said.

No one questions Kiffin's work ethic or his football acumen. In the end, his great undoing might be that he engaged Davis in a battle waged by many of his predecessors, with one stark difference: Kiffin overstepped his bounds. Of course, no one saw this coming the day Davis hired Kiffin. Then again, when Davis misspoke during Kiffin's introductory news conference by saying, "I'm here to talk about Lance," perhaps, even then, Davis subconsciously realized he hired the wrong guy.
 
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PFT needs to back off KC....they showed well against NE--even with Brady.KC will beat OAk by 17....what that means for Kiffin -- as a KC fan, I couldn't care less, it's the freakin Raiders
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Do you EVER post before the fact?Easy to sit there and click on stupid smilies, but I'd like to see your perfect record on calling games.
I can't speak for massraider, but in the thread about Miami/Arizona, I warned against betting on a bad team (KC) even if it's against another bad team (Oakland). Besides, chest thumping/ball busting is the best part about this place. Lord knows us Raider fans deal with enough crap during the week. If anyone has a right to give some of it back... it's us!
 
PFT needs to back off KC....they showed well against NE--even with Brady.KC will beat OAk by 17....what that means for Kiffin -- as a KC fan, I couldn't care less, it's the freakin Raiders
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Do you EVER post before the fact?Easy to sit there and click on stupid smilies, but I'd like to see your perfect record on calling games.
I'm not the fan of a crappy team making bold predictions.I don't throw rocks from my glass condo, I know my team sucks, and I know I am down in the muck with the Chiefs.Now you boys know where you stand as well.Welcome to enlightenment.You guys wanna take shots at my team, no sweat. But when you lay an egg at home, and let this abortion of a team run all over you, might wanna rethink the bold predictions.
 
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Why would anyone take that job with Rob Ryan on the staff.
Funny thing is Lane wanted him gone and thats how this whole thing started. Frankly i am not surprised the NFL hasn't stepped in to deal with Al Davis. Who would seriously want to coach that team with Davis running it?
 
Why would anyone take that job with Rob Ryan on the staff.
Funny thing is Lane wanted him gone and thats how this whole thing started. Frankly i am not surprised the NFL hasn't stepped in to deal with Al Davis. Who would seriously want to coach that team with Davis running it?
James Lofton.Davis will install another yes-man.
Man the only parade Oakland is going to see is Davis' wake.
I'll be the guy in front, crying tears of happiness. hate to say it.
 
Why would anyone take that job with Rob Ryan on the staff.
Funny thing is Lane wanted him gone and thats how this whole thing started. Frankly i am not surprised the NFL hasn't stepped in to deal with Al Davis. Who would seriously want to coach that team with Davis running it?
James Lofton.Davis will install another yes-man.
Man the only parade Oakland is going to see is Davis' wake.
I'll be the guy in front, crying tears of happiness. hate to say it.
Good chance you would be fighting for that front spot with the rest of Oakland.
 

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