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There were less "?"s swirling around Bell and yet so many people consider Johnson a good cantidate for the #1 pick in 2006?
I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
Not even close, please explain for the rest of us.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell and yet so many people consider Johnson a good cantidate for the #1 pick in 2006?
True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;1 - Priest? Retires? Returns? Split carries? I think Priest has a much higher chance to cut into LJ's carries than we thought Anderson did cutting into Bells.I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
These are all fair points. I only happen to be worried about 2 of them however. Vermiel sayiing good bye could be a huge blow. You simply cannot overlook his success in regards to FF RBs over the past 6 years or so. It should be noted that Faulk had his best 2 years just prior to Vermiel leaving St.L in the team/O he built but Martz ran. Could this hapen in KC as well? I have some doubts and they spawn from the 2nd point of yours I agree with. The KC Oline, as dominante as they are, has got to be coming close to a windign down phase here. Roaf and Shields are getting old. How much longer can they play like one of the best Olines in the history of football?True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;1 - Priest? Retires? Returns? Split carries? I think Priest has a much higher chance to cut into LJ's carries than we thought Anderson did cutting into Bells.I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
2 - Vermiel? Is he returning next season? The football world was shocked when he quit STL and it wouldn't be nearly as surprising to me if left after this season. His team(with the exception of LJ) is getting older and Vermiel himself is how old? Shanny was a lock coming back, Vermiel is much less so.
3 - OL. That's the real superstar of the KC team and how much longer can they play at this level? Once the KC line goes this teams chances of making any noise in the playoffs goes with them. The line may not have been able to lead KC to the playoffs THIS year even playing as well as they have!
4 - QB. I know plenty of people are down on Green but who else do they have? Isn't Green going to be 36yo by the start of the season? It's kind of a recurring theme with this team but a lot of these guys skill level is going to drop fast. Plummer was a much more managable 30yo at the start of this season.
5 - Receivers. I think Gonzales has already lost a step in receiving(still at a high level in blocking though). He has a chronic problem with his foot that is never going to be 100%. Even Kennison will be 33 next year which is old for a WR. This was a similar question with the DEN offense so about equal here.
While LJ is just entering his prime he's about the only one in that offense. Everyone else seems to be nearing the end of the road and who's to say all those guys in their mid 30's will be able to maintain this level of play and not be more prone to injury due to age and wear and tear? If it was just a few players that were getting old it wouldn't make that big a difference but across the board they're ALL old and getting further from being a Super Bowl contender not closer.
1. I think when anyone refers to LJ being the #1 pick next year, it is based on the assumption that Holmes retires. Should he return, then I think people would obviously reconsider. However, my money is on Holmes hanging them up.2. This is a consideration; however, even with a coaching change, it is VERY difficult to imagine that said new coach would come in and significantly alter their approach on offense, given the HUGE amount of success it has enjoyed in the past few seasons.True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;1 - Priest? Retires? Returns? Split carries? I think Priest has a much higher chance to cut into LJ's carries than we thought Anderson did cutting into Bells.I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
2 - Vermiel? Is he returning next season? The football world was shocked when he quit STL and it wouldn't be nearly as surprising to me if left after this season. His team(with the exception of LJ) is getting older and Vermiel himself is how old? Shanny was a lock coming back, Vermiel is much less so.
3 - OL. That's the real superstar of the KC team and how much longer can they play at this level? Once the KC line goes this teams chances of making any noise in the playoffs goes with them. The line may not have been able to lead KC to the playoffs THIS year even playing as well as they have!
4 - QB. I know plenty of people are down on Green but who else do they have? Isn't Green going to be 36yo by the start of the season? It's kind of a recurring theme with this team but a lot of these guys skill level is going to drop fast. Plummer was a much more managable 30yo at the start of this season.
5 - Receivers. I think Gonzales has already lost a step in receiving(still at a high level in blocking though). He has a chronic problem with his foot that is never going to be 100%. Even Kennison will be 33 next year which is old for a WR. This was a similar question with the DEN offense so about equal here.
While LJ is just entering his prime he's about the only one in that offense. Everyone else seems to be nearing the end of the road and who's to say all those guys in their mid 30's will be able to maintain this level of play and not be more prone to injury due to age and wear and tear? If it was just a few players that were getting old it wouldn't make that big a difference but across the board they're ALL old and getting further from being a Super Bowl contender not closer.
He does have more questions than the other top RBs (SA, LT, Edge), but I don't think he has more questions than Bell did.In any event, the points you raise are all good ones.True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;
There were less "?"s swirling around Bell and yet so many people consider Johnson a good cantidate for the #1 pick in 2006?
I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
I agree.They aren't even close to being the same type of back.
There were less "?"s swirling around Bell and yet so many people consider Johnson a good cantidate for the #1 pick in 2006?
Yeah, that's kind of the point. I'm not so sure those happen. I think his situation next year won't be as favorable as they are this season.I'm less sure those happen than everyone seemed to be sure Bell would get a majority of the carries THIS season for DEN right up until preseason.If the Chiefs leave everything the same and Holmes either retires or comes back in a part time (limited) role,
As for expanding to 16 games, I don't think it's that much of a stretch given he started out with 13 games as a sample size. I nornally don't approve of doing that either, but that's normally when someone argues that PLAY X averaged 150 yards over 3 games so over a full season he would have 2400 yards.As for the Chiefs situation, we will know much more by the time drafts roll around--just as we should know what teams Edge and SA will be playing for. So IMO there are 3 stud RB that have some questionmarks.Yeah, that's kind of the point. I'm not so sure those happen. I think his situation next year won't be as favorable as they are this season.I'm less sure those happen than everyone seemed to be sure Bell would get a majority of the carries THIS season for DEN right up until preseason.If the Chiefs leave everything the same and Holmes either retires or comes back in a part time (limited) role,
Mr Yudkin, I value your opinion a great deal but did you honestly just type; "Extrapolated to 16 games, that would give..."????
Unlike Edge and SA, we at least know for 99.9% certain what team LJ will play for.
Johnson has now started 13 NFL games and put up the following:
Total yards, Total TD
174/2
123/2
151/2
122/2
161/2
155/2
178/0
217/2
172/1
149/2
171/3
184/2
179/2
2136/24
Extrapolated to 16 games, that would give Johnson 2641 total yards, 30 TD, and 444 fantasy points. IIRC, the single season record for a RB is 375 points.
If the Chiefs leave everything the same and Holmes either retires or comes back in a part time (limited) role, LJ should be easily be the #1 pick.
Is this a new comparison to Fred Taylor?Larry runs VERY UPRIGHT and will be injured in week 3. Watch.
What offseason? There is none....I will miss all of you angry little men this offseason! Where will I turn to for all of the needless bickering.![]()
I'm comparing the number of ?'s in his situation next year to the ?'s in Bell's situation last season(who just about everyone overlooked until August last year), not the RB's style, height, weight, or favorite color.At least compare him to a comparable back like McGahee.
This has got to beThere were less "?"s swirling around Bell and yet so many people consider Johnson a good cantidate for the #1 pick in 2006?
I was wrong..... about Priest.After 5 games started; 357/3. In the neighborhood of 71 yards and half a TD a game. Averaging 3.4 yards/carry. Just behind Jamal Lewis and his 3.6 yards/carry. Tied in rushing TD's with McNabb and.... wait for it, CHARLIE FRYE. One more rushing TD than the fleet footed Peyton Manning. Solid, but I wouldn't worry too much about flight plans for Hawaii this year.True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;1 - Priest? Retires? Returns? Split carries? I think Priest has a much higher chance to cut into LJ's carries than we thought Anderson did cutting into Bells.I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
2 - Vermiel? Is he returning next season? The football world was shocked when he quit STL and it wouldn't be nearly as surprising to me if left after this season. His team(with the exception of LJ) is getting older and Vermiel himself is how old? Shanny was a lock coming back, Vermiel is much less so.
3 - OL. That's the real superstar of the KC team and how much longer can they play at this level? Once the KC line goes this teams chances of making any noise in the playoffs goes with them. The line may not have been able to lead KC to the playoffs THIS year even playing as well as they have!
4 - QB. I know plenty of people are down on Green but who else do they have? Isn't Green going to be 36yo by the start of the season? It's kind of a recurring theme with this team but a lot of these guys skill level is going to drop fast. Plummer was a much more managable 30yo at the start of this season.
5 - Receivers. I think Gonzales has already lost a step in receiving(still at a high level in blocking though). He has a chronic problem with his foot that is never going to be 100%. Even Kennison will be 33 next year which is old for a WR. This was a similar question with the DEN offense so about equal here.
While LJ is just entering his prime he's about the only one in that offense. Everyone else seems to be nearing the end of the road and who's to say all those guys in their mid 30's will be able to maintain this level of play and not be more prone to injury due to age and wear and tear? If it was just a few players that were getting old it wouldn't make that big a difference but across the board they're ALL old and getting further from being a Super Bowl contender not closer.
Awfully convenient to leave out the 23/274/1, isn't it?I was wrong..... about Priest.After 5 games started; 357/3. In the neighborhood of 71 yards and half a TD a game. Averaging 3.4 yards/carry. Just behind Jamal Lewis and his 3.6 yards/carry. Tied in rushing TD's with McNabb and.... wait for it, CHARLIE FRYE. One more rushing TD than the fleet footed Peyton Manning. Solid, but I wouldn't worry too much about flight plans for Hawaii this year.True, he has proven more but he still has a lot more "?"s surrounding him;1 - Priest? Retires? Returns? Split carries? I think Priest has a much higher chance to cut into LJ's carries than we thought Anderson did cutting into Bells.I don't agree with this. Bell had under 400 yards rushing in 2004. LJ has 1500+ yards rushing this year.I'd say that LJ has proven a lot more than Bell ever has.There were less "?"s swirling around Bell . . .
2 - Vermiel? Is he returning next season? The football world was shocked when he quit STL and it wouldn't be nearly as surprising to me if left after this season. His team(with the exception of LJ) is getting older and Vermiel himself is how old? Shanny was a lock coming back, Vermiel is much less so.
3 - OL. That's the real superstar of the KC team and how much longer can they play at this level? Once the KC line goes this teams chances of making any noise in the playoffs goes with them. The line may not have been able to lead KC to the playoffs THIS year even playing as well as they have!
4 - QB. I know plenty of people are down on Green but who else do they have? Isn't Green going to be 36yo by the start of the season? It's kind of a recurring theme with this team but a lot of these guys skill level is going to drop fast. Plummer was a much more managable 30yo at the start of this season.
5 - Receivers. I think Gonzales has already lost a step in receiving(still at a high level in blocking though). He has a chronic problem with his foot that is never going to be 100%. Even Kennison will be 33 next year which is old for a WR. This was a similar question with the DEN offense so about equal here.
While LJ is just entering his prime he's about the only one in that offense. Everyone else seems to be nearing the end of the road and who's to say all those guys in their mid 30's will be able to maintain this level of play and not be more prone to injury due to age and wear and tear? If it was just a few players that were getting old it wouldn't make that big a difference but across the board they're ALL old and getting further from being a Super Bowl contender not closer.
I remember a few short months ago when I suggested that his MAX output this season would be 1500/15 and his likely output would be much lower people acted like 1500/15 was a complete insult. My how times change.