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Larry Johnson, An Update After Meeting (1 Viewer)
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Matt Waldman
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I don't know enough of the details, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't see why not. He still has a lot left (at least for a season or two of good, if not very good production) and Jamaal Charles needs to show he's ready to take his approach to football to the next level. Unless KC is just tired of his act and doesn't believe he's truly contrite or they don't want the constant PR hassle of what he did, then he's a guy I would want on my team. He may never be the fantasy stud he flashed for a couple of seasons, but he's still a dangerous player at his position.
And if they draft someone, are they comfortable going with Charles-Savage-Battle and draft pick?
And if they draft someone, are they comfortable going with Charles-Savage-Battle and draft pick?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Kolby Smith is irrelevant in your opinion? I actually think he stands to benefit the most if LJ goes unless they draft a RB high (which I don't see).
Routilla
Footballguy
I'm sure a lot of teams would like the player but very few if any can take the contract.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Doesn't really seem all that bad actually. If you trade for him you pay 5.75 in 2009. $250,000 of the 6 million in 2010 is guaranteed. Two years at 11.75, not bad in todays NFL. If he's a turd you can part with him for 6 million total. From rotoworld:
loose circuits
Footballguy
was thinking the same thing.I think a Charles-Smith-Battle combo could be effective in the right offense. Charles getting most of the passing game work (which I expect there to be a lot), Smith being a 2 down back grinding it out, and Battle in SY/GL...seems like it could work to me. Kind of fits the Pioli MO as well.
I think Edge is due 5 million this year, so there is a good chunk of what LJ would be due once they release Edge. Boldins renegotiations will surely limit they cap space, but LJ for Edge give or take a million would be a steal. Not sure how you dont leave 8 in the box if LJ is healthy and has his head on straight. If would be fun to watch and Warner commands enough respect in the huddle that LJ would have to do his part, they have shown they wont hesitate to move a RB with a marquee name to the bench if he is not performing. Just seems like a great fit for both LJ and the Cards. The Cards window with Warner is 2 years which is what LJ probably has left at a high level. Just a homer wishing for the best!!
I agree that Johnson to the Cards would be a very intriguing combination of player+good circumstances. The Chiefs' brass has been really lukewarm about keeping LJ on the team - he just got 2 years of probation for the 2 nightclub incidents last year, which combined with Johnson's one game suspension by the NFL is the basis for the Chiefs trying to wiggle out of the $3.75 million guaranteed money that they owe him (they claim his suspension violated the contract and nullified the guaranteed money). If the Chiefs win the arbitration, Johnson's contract would be extremely cheap for someone else to pick up/renegotiate with him.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Gianmarco, I'm not a big fan of Kolby Smith, but in all honest I just forgot about him. He could certainly be the guy instead of Battle, but to me Savage and Smith are guys that you root for, but lack that one skill that can keep them on the field for longer than it takes for either the big-time prospect to stand out or the starter to get healthy. Mark makes a good point about LJ going to the Cards. Fresh start. A bruiser for the coach with the Henning-Falcons/Redskins background as a player and Cowher-Steelers as a coach. Personnel-wise, it would give the Cards what they really need. You just never know what Bidwell will do...
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
May be old news, but I didn't see it here-
Source
It’s All Over in Kansas City for Larry Johnson
Posted by Digital Sports Daily on Apr 2nd, 2009 and filed under NFL. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry from your site
Sometimes news travels a bit slowly out of Kansas City, so it may come to non-Kansans as a surprise to learn that one time great Larry Johnson of the Cheifs will be released. Logic seems that some team will take a chance that he could be a viable 3rd down back somewhere, somebody will bring him into camp. The Indianapolis Colts would be interesting with Joseph Addai coming have a dissappointed injury filled year. But it is not Bill Polians style to bring in a Veteran at that position. From the Kansas City Star
The case between the Chiefs and running back Larry Johnson was heard Wednesday by a special master, but he made no ruling. Neither side was certain when a ruling would be given.
At issue is $3.75 million of guaranteed money Johnson is due from the Chiefs in the contract extension he signed in August 2007. The contract calls for $3.5 million of Johnson’s 2009 salary and $250,000 of his 2010 salary to be guaranteed regardless of whether he plays for them or not.
The Chiefs claim the one-game suspension he received from the NFL last year for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy is a breach of his contract and frees them from having to pay the guaranteed money.
A source familiar with the situation has said the Chiefs would probably release Johnson if they prevail, suggesting the team wouldn’t be going through the trouble if it didn’t intend to free him from his contract.
p.s. I wrote this article in less than 60 seconds, take that Buzz Bissinger
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It’s All Over in Kansas City for Larry Johnson
Posted by Digital Sports Daily on Apr 2nd, 2009 and filed under NFL. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry from your site
Sometimes news travels a bit slowly out of Kansas City, so it may come to non-Kansans as a surprise to learn that one time great Larry Johnson of the Cheifs will be released. Logic seems that some team will take a chance that he could be a viable 3rd down back somewhere, somebody will bring him into camp. The Indianapolis Colts would be interesting with Joseph Addai coming have a dissappointed injury filled year. But it is not Bill Polians style to bring in a Veteran at that position. From the Kansas City Star
The case between the Chiefs and running back Larry Johnson was heard Wednesday by a special master, but he made no ruling. Neither side was certain when a ruling would be given.
At issue is $3.75 million of guaranteed money Johnson is due from the Chiefs in the contract extension he signed in August 2007. The contract calls for $3.5 million of Johnson’s 2009 salary and $250,000 of his 2010 salary to be guaranteed regardless of whether he plays for them or not.
The Chiefs claim the one-game suspension he received from the NFL last year for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy is a breach of his contract and frees them from having to pay the guaranteed money.
A source familiar with the situation has said the Chiefs would probably release Johnson if they prevail, suggesting the team wouldn’t be going through the trouble if it didn’t intend to free him from his contract.
p.s. I wrote this article in less than 60 seconds, take that Buzz Bissinger
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The Jacket
Footballguy
I'm tired of LJ's antics and am certainly not one of his biggest fans, but he's got a lot more left than being a third-down back (which he wouldn't even be any good at anyway because he can't pass-block and is just a so-so receiver). His biggest problem is attitude, not mileage or ability. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed for a competitor and actually played hard and, consequently, quite well.
BTW, since the rumor came out that he'd be released if the Chiefs won the grievance (a while ago now), LJ's agent has come out with a statement that he'd be open to playing in KC. He's also at the voluntary workouts FWIW.
BTW, since the rumor came out that he'd be released if the Chiefs won the grievance (a while ago now), LJ's agent has come out with a statement that he'd be open to playing in KC. He's also at the voluntary workouts FWIW.
JPeso
Footballguy
Stand-up guy..
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
very green one-dimensional back.
The Jacket
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
He's the opposite of one-dimensional. His "issue" is his size and that he's unlikely to be able to carry it 20 times per game.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Why do people believe this? Is there any evidence that supports it? Tiki did ok. Westbrook does ok. Slaton looked great last year. There may not be as many talented small backs, but I haven't seen anything to suggest the talented ones aren't just fine carrying the load.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
looks like a speedy PPR 3rd down back to me. thats the dimension I was referring tobicycle_seat_sniffer said:He's the opposite of one-dimensional. His "issue" is his size and that he's unlikely to be able to carry it 20 times per game.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
People on this message board are eat up with the "he's not a workhorse back mentality". It's their own undoing IMO.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Nah, he's better than that. Look how he did against the Bucs last year carrying a full load. Up to that point they didn't give up 100 yards to any back, he tore them apart.wdcrob: I'm not saying he can't do it -- I'd love it if he could -- but that's the tag he carries. Again, I'd be happy if he proved it wrong and was the lead guy in, say, a 70-30 "RBBC."looks like a speedy PPR 3rd down back to me. thats the dimension I was referring tobicycle_seat_sniffer said:He's the opposite of one-dimensional. His "issue" is his size and that he's unlikely to be able to carry it 20 times per game.
I don't think the signing bonus owed goes with him to the potential team, the rest does.Doesn't really seem all that bad actually. If you trade for him you pay 5.75 in 2009. $250,000 of the 6 million in 2010 is guaranteed. Two years at 11.75, not bad in todays NFL. If he's a turd you can part with him for 6 million total. From rotoworld:
8/21/2007: Signed a six-year, $45.05 million contract. The deal contains $19 million guaranteed, including $12.5 million signing bonus. The first three years' base salaries are guaranteed, as is $250,000 of L.J.'s 2010 salary. 2009: $4.55 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2010: $5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2011: $5.3 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2012: $5.9 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2013: Free Agent. Cap charge: $7.596 million (2009).
trader jake
Footballguy
If Larry Johnson is cut I think you guys are reaching if you believe that Pioli is just going to run with what is currently on the roster.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Chiefs win the grievance.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/06/...nteed-salaries/Don't expect anything to happen for a while (assuming something happens at all). Pioli is EXTREMELY thorough and whoever thinks they're just gonna cut his ### is sorely mistaken.
Jamal Charles owners could only hope right ?
massraider
Footballguy
Heck, and LJ owners.I own them both, and am hoping to hit the homerun of having two starters on two different teams.I would say a trade is unlikely, but I dunno how LJ's contract looks.
Banger
Footballguy
meaning what? that they'll go the trade route? If so, who realistically is going to pick up that deal? If they weren't looking to cut him they wouldn't have went through this exercise. That's my take at least...
As an LJ owner I think this makes me happy but I'm not sure.
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The Jacket
Footballguy
Maybe, but mostly I was referring to the time frmae. I didn't word it particularly clearly in my final sentence, but what I'm getting at, mainly in response to the idea that "a release is imminent," is that Pioli is too thorough to do anything for a few days.
T Man
Footballguy
I certainly do not understand why a release would be "imminent".
I would think that the Chiefs, if they want to let him go, will hold onto him till the draft while at the same time putting out feelers to teams that LJ could be had in trade. During the draft you try to trade him. If that is unsuccessful, then cut him before the next OTA's. Surely someone like the Saints, Cardinals or otherws would be willing to part with a 4th or 5th for LJ.
With no bonus money attached, he should be easier to trade. And there would be no downside to keeping him until the next OTAs. If no trade, and the Chiefs really do not want him, then release him at that juncture.
I would think that the Chiefs, if they want to let him go, will hold onto him till the draft while at the same time putting out feelers to teams that LJ could be had in trade. During the draft you try to trade him. If that is unsuccessful, then cut him before the next OTA's. Surely someone like the Saints, Cardinals or otherws would be willing to part with a 4th or 5th for LJ.
With no bonus money attached, he should be easier to trade. And there would be no downside to keeping him until the next OTAs. If no trade, and the Chiefs really do not want him, then release him at that juncture.
massraider
Footballguy
I looked round the internet, but it ain't my strong suit. Anyone have a line on LJ's contract breakdown?
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Not sure either - I'm thinking I like his situation in KC. New GM, head coach not named Herm Edwards, competent QB throwing to a rising star wideout/veteran TE, improving O line, couple of fellow RBs with game experience to lighten his load. Where else could he go that would be more intriguing than KC?
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Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Seattle may be a push/improvement, AZ would be better,
This may be understatement of the week. Try post #6 of this thread!
The Jacket
Footballguy
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Agree on those two, but would those teams be interested in another aging RB (Shaun Alexander/Edge)?I would think a team would have to be in "win now" mode to take a chance on LJ. Maybe Cleveland? Houston?
They will cut him whenever it is best for their cap situation.
-baller
Footballguy
I'm not a cap expert, so I won't try to pass this off as fact, and welcome all corrections, but my understanding is his cap hit will be right around 8m whether they play him, cut him, or trade him.of course, if they trade him for a player, you'd have the additional player's salary.anyway, I'm pretty sure the chiefs are well below the cap, so cap space probably isn't as much an issue as simply player value or attitude.I really can't say I'm on top of rb salaries around the league --- anybody have an opinion on teams in position to take a $6m rb?what did jacobs sign for, as comparison?edit: the franchise tag fig is apparently only about 1m more than another team would have to pay johnson this year.
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Routilla
Footballguy
This may be understatement of the week. Try post #6 of this thread!
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Something was just reported on NFLTA by DHorton but I was in the kitchen getting a beer. It sounded like if the Chiefs were going to cut Johnson citing certain violations to his probation or something along those lines they would not have to pay him bonuses. I could be way off but something was definately reported on LJ.
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-baller
Footballguy
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Yeah thats it.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Unless he considers getting rid of a cancer a benefit.Pioli is a smart guy. Zero benefit to cutting LJ at this point.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Skanker, After seeing you do this time and time again tonight I think you should know that you don't get "points" for your one word/1 icon posts. Please come up with a thought of your own.:whattheheckthatotherguysaid::quitwastingourtime:I don't see LJ getting released for "nothing" at this point. He has to be at least a little more open to continuing on in KC with a regime change and an actual NFL QB (or so it seems).Skanker said:
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
The Saints are only 4.1 million under the salary cap so forget them.
LJ has already said he would like to return, and that his beef was with the old management.....Skanker, After seeing you do this time and time again tonight I think you should know that you don't get "points" for your one word/1 icon posts. Please come up with a thought of your own.:whattheheckthatotherguysaid:Skanker said:
:quitwastingourtime:
I don't see LJ getting released for "nothing" at this point. He has to be at least a little more open to continuing on in KC with a regime change and an actual NFL QB (or so it seems).
Banger
Footballguy
AZ with Warner at QB I would say is in a "win now" mode...they don't have many years with him. Seattle may be in a rebuilding mode but if the choice is rolling with J. Jones/Duckett or LJ for a year while rebuilding other parts of the team they could do worse. Outside chances that he could also head to Houston to be a goal line short yardage back to pair with Slaton or to NO to pair with Bush. He's also a lot better than anyone on Denver's, Baltimore and Indy's rosters. Pittsburgh could also be a possibility (although remote) depending on how Mendenhall is progressing...they need a short yardage/goal line guy. It will all depend on how he interviews with the teams and if "he's turned a new leaf" and is willing to take a different role and be a team guy. That's a huge question and the thing that will keep him off a lot of rosters because talent wise he's in the top 1/2 of the league.
this, IMO. I think ARI makes another run at SB win, then cuts a lot of high-priced talent and goes back to being a mediocre franchise.
