egofailure
Footballguy
LJ supposedly met with Roger Goodell today.
Any news about Johnson's fate?
Any news about Johnson's fate?
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Larry Johnson - Any Updates? (1 Viewer)
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
I don't care if he's gone for the season ... just let us know so we can move on!
His playoff schedule is too tempting to cut him loose at this point. I sure hope we hear something by the end of the day.gramps992000
Footballguy
I really don't think he will get anymore then 2-3 weeks.
That's all the more reason to feature LJ down the stretch, if he tears up, maybe they can get a decent draft pick for him.
Banger
Footballguy
outside of Bowe though I don't think there are any players with a future on their offense. Charles is ok but I don't think he'll ever be any every down back.
ESPN's John Clayton believes that Larry Johnson will face roughly a three-game suspension after meeting with Roger Goodell Tuesday.
The decision may not come for a week, but the Chiefs have already indicated that Johnson won't play this week against the Bucs. Fantasy owners may not have Johnson back for a month. Kolby Smith looks to get the start against the Bucs and possibly a few better matchups after that with Jamaal Charles out. Oct. 28 - 4:27 pm et
The decision may not come for a week, but the Chiefs have already indicated that Johnson won't play this week against the Bucs. Fantasy owners may not have Johnson back for a month. Kolby Smith looks to get the start against the Bucs and possibly a few better matchups after that with Jamaal Charles out. Oct. 28 - 4:27 pm et
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Are the Chiefs forfeiting games now? They'd have beat the Jets if they had LJ. I don't know what's going on with this team.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
See thats the problem with Kansas City (any sports team there) they might get great picks early but will trade for later round picks since the sports market is very low in that area (no $$$ then). Only thing of value then is a lucky chance of getting a few players in the second and third rounds at a lower price at signing time. The baseball teams in Florida do it that way all the time..and they seemed to do ok..ya never know tho!
DeCleater
Footballguy
They signed 2 first round picks last year.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Is this 3 games on top of the 3 KC is sitting him? Granted he did something stupid but in today's NFL the punishment (6 game suspension) does not seem to fit the crime.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Good question. Will LJ get credit for time served?
Avery
Footballguy
I know it's easy to pile on the guy but if I can digress for a sec into a fantasy football 'buy low' thought here.
He has produced at a pro-bowl level for years.
He has produced this year when given a workload.
He has a very soft schedule especially for the playoff run.
He has no reasonable competition at RB in terms of skills on the roster.
Albeit it only one week, but Thigpin looked competent and Bowe and Gonzalez should help keep defenses honest.
From this thread, many owner are so pissed they are just giving him away.
He definitely has risk but doesn't this make a great buy low, with low cost/high reward?
He has produced at a pro-bowl level for years.
He has produced this year when given a workload.
He has a very soft schedule especially for the playoff run.
He has no reasonable competition at RB in terms of skills on the roster.
Albeit it only one week, but Thigpin looked competent and Bowe and Gonzalez should help keep defenses honest.
From this thread, many owner are so pissed they are just giving him away.
He definitely has risk but doesn't this make a great buy low, with low cost/high reward?
That plan looks great right up until the point where you've gotten him cheaply, sat on him through the suspension, and then start him in your first playoff game and he gives you a 12 carries/22 yards (wk 2) or a 7 carries/2 yards (wk 5) and your season's over.
Avery
Footballguy
Perhaps you've missed my point or perhaps made my point by focusing on his two bad weeks instead of his one ridiculously outstanding week, one great week and one solid week.\I'm by no means a Larry Johnson fan or apologist, I just think there may be a cheap opportunity here.
dmonte
Footballguy
Perhaps you've missed my point or perhaps made my point by focusing on his two bad weeks instead of his one ridiculously outstanding week, one great week and one solid week.\
I'm by no means a Larry Johnson fan or apologist, I just think there may be a cheap opportunity here.
An opportunity for what? A wasted roster spot? On Monday Carl Peterson indicated he would miss Week 9. In addition, they've indicated that he may not play until his court situation is resolved (early December). Plus, there has been speculation that the league may suspend him 3 games.
As an LJ owner, I'm getting to the point where I need the roster slot more than I need the "potential upside" of having him at the end of the season. I'm in a deep league where I just need someone who can produce. A 10-carry/game Maurice Morris has more value the LJ at the moment. I can't afford to hold him and hope for his great playoff schedule ... I need to MAKE the playoffs first.
At this point, I'm ready to cut LJ loose and make him YPNM - Your Problem, Not Mine. Let some other team take the chance on him. But ... I'm also willing to "wait-and-see" what the league says. The uncertainty is killing me.
I'm by no means a Larry Johnson fan or apologist, I just think there may be a cheap opportunity here.
An opportunity for what? A wasted roster spot? On Monday Carl Peterson indicated he would miss Week 9. In addition, they've indicated that he may not play until his court situation is resolved (early December). Plus, there has been speculation that the league may suspend him 3 games.
As an LJ owner, I'm getting to the point where I need the roster slot more than I need the "potential upside" of having him at the end of the season. I'm in a deep league where I just need someone who can produce. A 10-carry/game Maurice Morris has more value the LJ at the moment. I can't afford to hold him and hope for his great playoff schedule ... I need to MAKE the playoffs first.
At this point, I'm ready to cut LJ loose and make him YPNM - Your Problem, Not Mine. Let some other team take the chance on him. But ... I'm also willing to "wait-and-see" what the league says. The uncertainty is killing me.
thehornet
Footballguy
im in agreement. Im holding especially since i have the room and byes are almost over.
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Holding too, but all indications from KC point to them shelving him for the season, regardless of what the league doles out in terms of suspension. I think the chiefs are done with LJ. At this stage of the season, however, it would be stupid to drop him before getting that confirmation...
morris4903
Footballguy
I don't care if he's gone for the season ... just let us know so we can move on!
FFdork
Footballguy
Can someone clarify what the league rules are in this situation? Didn't the league change it so teams can't tell players to just stay away a la Meyshawn and T.O.? Don't they have to at least let him practice or outright cut him? Will he be deactivated every week?What would the justification be on the KC side after they've already disciplined him + he served whatever time the league mandates? As people have already pointed out, it at least leaves them open to the question of whether they're deliberately not putting their best team on the field to get better draft picks. Regardless of the truth, I doubt the NFL would like those questions being asked.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
are teams preemptively suspending guys now in hopes for lesser punishments coming down from the league a la the NCAA?
apalmer
Footballguy
More likely because of public perception--who wants their team to be viewed as the new Bengals?
Big Blue Wrecking Crew
downsized
If this is true, doesn't it make sense to build value so you can get something for him? Or, is the thought that other teams know what he can do along with the baggage he carries, so there is no upside to playing him? Guessing the Pac Man Jones debacle doesn't help the Chefs as far as getting more than a bag of practice balls and some Liquid Heat for him.
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jurrassic
Footballguy
I own the guy in two leagues and this is what I am concerned about. The Chiefs are awful and they are going nowhere. I wonder if they pull a Keyshawn and just tell him to stay home. I hate holding a roster spot for a guy who isn't a sure start, is deactivated by his team, is facing a suspension, and may be benched for the rest of the year. That being said, I also can bring myself to release him. Frustrating.
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I'm not missing the point at all. I'm just making the counterpoint that on top of all the off-the-field stuff, on the field LJ has proven to be an extremely volatile play despite being completely healthy. The risk hardly ends with the disciplinary business.Avery said:
What you're "buying low" is a guy that's got a greater chance of completely messing the bed than practically any other "workhorse" RB around. Tough to roll with that when it's lose-and-go-home time.
TenMidgets
Footballguy
I cut him loose and picked up Benjarvus Green-Ellis with the roster spot. At least I am getting some production from the position now. I simply cannot hold LJ for another 4+ weeks knowing he will be inactive/suspended.
burd
Footballguy
based on what the league usually levies for off the field bad conduct, you gotta figure LJ is in line for a 3 game suspension. Now, does he appeal for a reduction? Possibly. But since the Chiefs arent his biggest fans right now, he might not appeal.
so onto players who can actually contribute ...
what are we looking at from Kolby?
so onto players who can actually contribute ...
what are we looking at from Kolby?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Keeper & dynasty he is a hold regardless. I am hoping he goes to a new team next season. If not, I may not even keep him.
Redraft he is still a hold, but only for 1-2 more weeks IMO while we see what happens.
Redraft he is still a hold, but only for 1-2 more weeks IMO while we see what happens.
the_sig
Footballguy
To me, the critical issue is that KC's opponent in week 14 is Denver. If it were any other team I might be more apt to agree with you, but historicaly LJ has been a beast against DEN. As recently as week 4 of this season he confirmed this trend with a 28/198 2TD performance.I agree that if it appears certain he'll be out or miss week 14, I'd cut bait. But I have the roster space and sure as heck don't want to cut LJ to the waiver pool and have my opponent snatch him up and destroy me with LJ in his flex come week 14.
It is clear to most he has no trade value and is borderline waiver cut material, but I think the upside of that week 14 match up is worth holding onto just a bit longer to see how things play out imo.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I read that an announcement could come "as early as Wednesday", so we might know something today.
djjosee
Footballguy
That'll be the league suspension ... my concern is what are the Chiefs going to do with him afterwards.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
For leagues with IR slots, if he officially gets suspended we can move him to IR and pick up a guy like Torain or Hightower. That's why I'm hoping for an official decision sooner rather than later.
dmonte said:
I dropped LJ last week for Avery because of the Santonio Holmes suspension. I needed a WR and didn't want to drop anyone else on my team. Donnie Avery has already payed me more dividends than LJ has. I was thinking the same as you, let someone else have the headache. I was hoping another team would pick him up and I could scoop up whatever player that team drops if it helped my team. Well, waivers went through this morning, and nobody picked up LJ. He still sits on the wire.You can do that? In my league a player has to be IR'd by his NFL team before we can IR him on our FF team. Not retired, suspended, questionable etc...
Avery
Footballguy
After reading this thread, I got him as a throw in on a trade in a "keep 3" league.
I've risked basically nothing and I could end up with a great RB2 (where I'm currently weak) for the stretch run and possibly some good trade value in the off-season depending on what happens with him. If he's done for the year it doesn't effect my team at all at all from where it is now.
All upside, no downside.
I've risked basically nothing and I could end up with a great RB2 (where I'm currently weak) for the stretch run and possibly some good trade value in the off-season depending on what happens with him. If he's done for the year it doesn't effect my team at all at all from where it is now.
All upside, no downside.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
It's a redraft league so IRing a player who was IRd by his NFL team wouldn't make much sense. The IR slots exist so that players who are doubtful or out (for any reason) don't have to be cut in order to make room for a temporary replacement. We have 2 IR slots.
I understand.As the owner of LJ in a dynasty league, I'm holding. Hoping he plays for the easy part of his schedule during the FF playoffs, and hoping something good happens for next year (trade, team improvements, him learning not to be a bonehead).
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
My league only allows injured players on the IR, so holding LJ has been taking up a lot of valuable space. I hope to hear something definitive soon on his status for the rest of the year.
Not to hijack, but...How Herm Edwards still has a job blows my mind. As a die-hard Jets fan, I was dumbfounded when the J-E-T-S actually got a draft pick for dumping him.Now, he sidelines the most explosive player on his team before the league can shut him down for 3-4 games. Sure, discipline him for a game, maybe two. But this is getting ridiculous. I'm sure it was said before, but the player's union has to step in here.
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Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
I was thinking about that too and it got me wondering. Do you think that first game they suspended him was really due to him being late for practices? Maybe managment heard about the incident and figured it wasn't that big of a deal and once it got out, they had to save face so they've gone to the extreme with their own self imposed suspensions. I doubt that's the case, but it did cross my mind briefly.Elsewhere, LJ returned to the practice field today. Nothing was said about the league ruling though:
LJ back at Chiefs practice
Running back Larry Johnson returned to practice Wednesday after missing most of the past week to deal with his recent run-ins with trouble.
The Chiefs' sixth-year running back missed the final two days of last week's practice after being benched for the second consecutive week for disciplinary reasons.
The Chiefs don't expect Johnson to play Sunday against Tampa Bay, and he is facing an NFL suspension because of his off-the-field issues. Johnson met Tuesday with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in New York. That was a day after Johnson turned himself in to Kansas City police on a simple assault charge stemming from an Oct. 10 incident in which he allegedly spit on a woman at a nightclub.
Johnson has a Dec. 3 court date to answer for a separate simple assault charge.
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/394
A little positive news I guess.
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
That's actually very positive news. If he were done for the season, I can't see why he would be invited to practice.
morris4903
Footballguy
Agreed that its positive news. Makes it seems that he'll back after the Goodell suspension.
