Larry Johnson Fantasy bust (1 Viewer)

[Paprika]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.

Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

 

[dudaman]

This is just wrong. Good, trade him away for Lamont Jordan if you have him.

 

[Warpig]

If there were a smiley showing someone jumping for cover I would use that here.

This could get ugly.

 

[Paprika]

This is just wrong. Good, trade him away for Lamont Jordan if you have him.

I'm not saying he won't be productive. But, he will not match the #'s of SA or LT.Can you say w/ a straight face he has the physical talent of LT? The KC offense is very different from the KC offense of last year. You can't simply discount that. Willie Roaf and the other players they lost will have a major effect on LJ's production.And w/ Green down it is going to make it that much tougher for LJ.

 

[drpill]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.

You've obviously never seen him play, or if you have you didn't know what you were looking for.

 

[Debeucci]

This is just wrong. Good, trade him away for Lamont Jordan if you have him.

I'm not saying he won't be productive. But, he will not match the #'s of SA or LT.Can you say w/ a straight face he has the physical talent of LT? The KC offense is very different from the KC offense of last year. You can't simply discount that. Willie Roaf and the other players they lost will have a major effect on LJ's production.And w/ Green down it is going to make it that much tougher for LJ.

Wow...one week and you're freaking out.You must be a fantasy football first year noob.I wish i was in your chump league so i could take advantage of you.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

To expect the production he had for the last half of the 2005 season, you would he would have numbers like this:464 rushes, 2401 yards, 32 TDsAnyone who drafted him expecting that kind of production for a whole season was

 

[Debeucci]

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

To expect the production he had for the last half of the 2005 season, you would he would have numbers like this:464 rushes, 2401 yards, 32 TDsAnyone who drafted him expecting that kind of production for a whole season was

No one is expecting that from LJ. Just the potential of his upside.

 

[Loopdog]

you are absolutely right!

he couldnt possibly match the production of say a Shaun Alexander (19 carries, 51 yards in Week 1)

I mean really, you should just cut LJ if you have him, he's a wasted roster spot

 

[One]

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

To expect the production he had for the last half of the 2005 season, you would he would have numbers like this:464 rushes, 2401 yards, 32 TDsAnyone who drafted him expecting that kind of production for a whole season was

ummm, find me someone on here who did. i don't even recall an FF site that predicted more than 20 TDs for the season.

 

[jafo]

Larry Johnson is a very talented runner. He is patient and waits for an opening to plow through. He runs with authority and can accelerate very quickly. That said, I think some owners might be disappointed (those drafting him #1 or #2) with his production if KC doesn't make any changes to the Offensive Line.

Larry Johnson may not have the talent of LT, but Johnson is still a beast. He will be fine, he is no bust.

 

[AmpLee]

yeah....I traded him straight up for Gado.....phew thank god I got rid of that bum

 

[(HULK)]

I was a little bit down on LJ because of all the changes to his situation.

However, to claim that he is not talented is denying reality.

If you've seen him play, you've seen him just bowl over dudes like a runaway mac truck. He's still got that. What he's got now instead of a perfect situation like last year is a situation where his holes will be smaller and less frequent, and a coach that might not use him correctly. He's still an RB1 though, and he's a lot safer of a back than plenty of other guys out there.

 

[mr. furley]

couple years ago people were KILLING Larry Johnson for not being able to get off the bench.. he was labeled soft, people said he had 1 good season in college (and at that only vs. soft opponents) and that he'd never be any good in the NFL.

don't lie.. a MAJORITY of you were on that wagon.

now he has a good season and everyone says he's the NFL's best RB.

go figure.

 

[GregR_2]

Can we please lay off the insults. If you don't agree with him, bring some reasons to the table and actually contribute something to the Shark Pool. People throwing insults around just lessens the usefulness of this board.

 

[Hue G]

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

To expect the production he had for the last half of the 2005 season, you would he would have numbers like this:464 rushes, 2401 yards, 32 TDsAnyone who drafted him expecting that kind of production for a whole season was

He should be fine but some people were predicting record type numbers for him in terms of TDs and yards, that's just not going to happen. As one poster said on here before, the days of Chiefs RBs running sweeps into the end zone untouched are over!!!! I would not be the least bit suprised to see him fall out of the top 5 but I would be very suprised to see him fall out of the top 10.

 

[ericttspikes]

Boy, the calling players a bust after the first few weeks just doesn't get old, does it?

 

[perry147]

I was a little bit down on LJ because of all the changes to his situation.However, to claim that he is not talented is denying reality.If you've seen him play, you've seen him just bowl over dudes like a runaway mac truck. He's still got that. What he's got now instead of a perfect situation like last year is a situation where his holes will be smaller and less frequent, and a coach that might not use him correctly. He's still an RB1 though, and he's a lot safer of a back than plenty of other guys out there.

This is the way it is. He is a stud RB but with the OL play he is about the 4th or 5th best RB it seems to me.

 

[Debeucci]

Can we please lay off the insults. If you don't agree with him, bring some reasons to the table and actually contribute something to the Shark Pool. People throwing insults around just lessens the usefulness of this board.

His argument has as much validity as me saying Pennington is the second coming of Elway because he had a great fantasy week.

 

[BrentBlack]

When is it time to take away thread starting privileges?

 

[amnesiac]

If there were a smiley showing someone jumping for cover I would use that here.This could get ugly.

 

[Stealthycat]

how many RB's will get 325-350 touches this year ?

those are your top tier RB's and if you don't think LJ is one of them, you're ######ed

 

[amnesiac]

When is it time to take away thread starting privileges?

i've been wondering that myself.

 

[cr8f]

You guys blasting LJ are too funny. I'll save this until week 7 to see where he is.

He had 148 yards in a bad week. Geez.

 

[drpill]

couple years ago people were KILLING Larry Johnson for not being able to get off the bench.. he was labeled soft, people said he had 1 good season in college (and at that only vs. soft opponents) and that he'd never be any good in the NFL.don't lie.. a MAJORITY of you were on that wagon. now he has a good season and everyone says he's the NFL's best RB. go figure.

These people, like the original poster, had probably never seen him play. That's the biggest problem with a 20,000+ member site like this... 19,500 uninformed opinions.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Wow, this post had just about NO point to start with. Then, after a post or two, paprika wastes no time backing off of his initial statement. Stupid AND weak. Nicely done, paprika.

 

[massraider]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.

Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.

If you want me to be impressed, link me to the thread you started on this subject, before everyone had their fantasy drafts, and before the first game of the year. Because the whole Willie Roaf, new system argument has been made already, but not by many people willing to drop him out of the top 3.

 

[Bojang0301]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

You're a tool please go piss somewhere else.

 

[Da Guru]

I don`t know if the original post is that far out of line.

LJ is a solid back, but I really don`t think he will ever reach the level he was playing at the last 8 games of 2005 again.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don`t know if the original post is that far out of line.LJ is a solid back, but I really don`t think he will ever reach the level he was playing at the last 8 games of 2005 again.

I don't think Tomlinson, Reggie Bush, Shaun Alexander or Adrian Peterson will ever reach the level Johnson was playing at the last 8 games of 2005. He was on pace for 2944 total yards and 30 total TDs.

 

[wharf rat]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

They are biting pretty good today...

 

[Limp Ditka]

I hope everyone feels better about themselves after ripping a person that gave his opinion.

You are all sharks and really showed that guppie who's boss.

 

[jurb26]

Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.

To expect the production he had for the last half of the 2005 season, you would he would have numbers like this:464 rushes, 2401 yards, 32 TDsAnyone who drafted him expecting that kind of production for a whole season was

ummm, find me someone on here who did. i don't even recall an FF site that predicted more than 20 TDs for the season.

I seriously hope you're joking. Not a subscriber I take it. This site as well as many posters around here predicted 20+ TDs for him. Yes, clear up until early Sept too.

 

[Bojang0301]

I don`t know if the original post is that far out of line.LJ is a solid back, but I really don`t think he will ever reach the level he was playing at the last 8 games of 2005 again.

I will agree with this but givin everything against LJ (his situation) he is still a) more talented than the majority of backs in the league b) still has one of the better situations in the league given that we know he will take the full load in a run first offense and c) still plays hard and will do things himself that other backs can't. Would you rather have Chester Taylor who will take the full load in Minny this year or LJ who will take the full load in KC? I know who I'm going with.

 

[Bojang0301]

I hope everyone feels better about themselves after ripping a person that gave his opinion.You are all sharks and really showed that guppie who's boss.

I'm sorry it's a subject that has been talked about over and over and over again. The offseason, the preseason, during week one, after week one... if you own LJ you're well aware of the situation and if you've watched LJ it's clear how talented of a back he is. He may not be top 3, hell he may not be top 5 but I don't see him being a number 2 back by a long shot.

 

[jon_mx]

LJ is only second tier, if you consider LT in a tier by himself. I think those who picked SA or LJ over LT should be having second thoughts, as LT is in a class by himself. But SA and LJ are better than any other back with the exception that Tiki may be right there with them.

 

[radballs]

There is no way LJ's production from last year would have extrapolated to all 16 games this year. I'm still confused about how 20 points from LJ in a ppr league is a bad week.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

you are absolutely right!he couldnt possibly match the production of say a Shaun Alexander (19 carries, 51 yards in Week 1)I mean really, you should just cut LJ if you have him, he's a wasted roster spot

I've already cut both from all my teams. Picked up a couple good kickers.

 

[Paprika]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

You're a tool please go piss somewhere else.

- LJ was never looked upon as a stub rb in the draft.- He was taken as a late 1st round pick by KC. And there were people in KC scratching their head when he was taken w/ a 1st rnd pick.- He was considered "soft" by many his first couple of years in the leage.- He spent a considerable amount of time in D.Vermeil's dog house.- I could be wrong but I seem to rememeber talk of KC moving LJ at one point.- He is a product of his system. Or, should I say a product of Vermeil's system and a great O-Line. With Vermeil gone, the O-Line desimated and Green hurt LJ is no longer an elite threat.Let me state again for the record. Larry Johnson will be productive this year. But, he will not finish in the top three rb's and will fall to the second tier of rb's. I do not come to this conclusion after one game (Just look at SA's first game) but after the series of events that have occured in KC.

 

[Paprika]

In my opinion Larry Johnson is not that talented of a rb. And infact is just a product of the system he played in.Combine that with all the losses on the KC 0-line and T.Green's injury. I see LJ dropping like a stone going forward.Not to say he win't have a solid year (he will because Edwards is goin to feed him the ball a ton) but don't expect production like he gave for the last half of the season in 2005.I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

You're a tool please go piss somewhere else.

- LJ was never looked upon as a stub rb in the draft.- He was taken as a late 1st round pick by KC. And there were people in KC scratching their head when he was taken w/ a 1st rnd pick.- He was considered "soft" by many his first couple of years in the leage.- He spent a considerable amount of time in D.Vermeil's dog house.- I could be wrong but I seem to rememeber talk of KC moving LJ at one point.- He is a product of his system. Or, should I say a product of Vermeil's system and a great O-Line. With Vermeil gone, the O-Line desimated and Green hurt LJ is no longer an elite threat.Let me state again for the record. Larry Johnson will be productive this year. But, he will not finish in the top three rb's and will fall to the second tier of rb's. I do not come to this conclusion after one game (Just look at SA's first game) but after the series of events that have occured in KC.Also, I used the term bust in the sense that in many drafts he was the #1 pick. I feel confident for various reasons he will not live up to that billing. Perhaps I should not have used the term bust. Maybe fantasy disappointment is what I meant.I think it is more likely he falls into the Tiki/Edge class than the LT or SA class this year.

 

[jurb26]

Let me state again for the record. Larry Johnson will be productive this year. But, he will not finish in the top three rb's and will fall to the second tier of rb's. I do not come to this conclusion after one game (Just look at SA's first game) but after the series of events that have occured in KC.

While I disagree with your "he is not talented" opinion, this here pretty much sums up what I have felt/stated for months.

 

[Rushmore]

I've expected LJ to end up being a very good runningback since his days at Penn State. There's no doubt in my mind that he's a talented back. It's not fair to expect an extrapolation of last year's pace that he was on.

 

[The Football Freak]

I definitely think he is top three in talent, but there is a chance that those who took him one overall will be disappointed. With the loss of Vermeil (and the addition of Herm), Saunders, Roaf, sheilds, Richardson and Green, his productivity almost has to take a dip in regards to its ceiling. His absolute base is still enough to be a second round player or end of first, but the wheels would have to fall off for that to happen. Personally I think he will end up with middle first stats. He has amazing talent though.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I've always curious how someone could be a product of the system yet produce the greatest numbers in history. You would think in the last several decades some combination of scheme and ability would have been able to match the 2005 Kansas City Chiefs.

Larry Johnson had the greatest nine game stretch for a running back ever. You might want to let that sink in. EVER.

People talk about Kevin Jones' great second half in 2004. Johnson's second half in 2005 nearly doubled Jones' production, as he scored 111 more FPs.

The difference between Johnson's second half in '05 and the second best second half from '02-'05 (LT, 2003) was greater than the difference between LT, 2003 and the 8th best second half over that span.

Product of the system makes zero sense when you're talking about the best seasons of all time.

 

[amnesiac]

I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

ok. rank him.

 

[scratcher]

- LJ was never looked upon as a stub rb in the draft.- He was taken as a late 1st round pick by KC. And there were people in KC scratching their head when he was taken w/ a 1st rnd pick.

Priest Holmes

 

[jon_mx]

- LJ was never looked upon as a stub rb in the draft.- He was taken as a late 1st round pick by KC. And there were people in KC scratching their head when he was taken w/ a 1st rnd pick.

Priest Holmes

I remember when Priest Holmes had a few monster games with Baltimore. The conventional wisdom was that Holmes was just a fluke.

 

[Paprika]

I definitely think he is top three in talent, but there is a chance that those who took him one overall will be disappointed. With the loss of Vermeil (and the addition of Herm), Saunders, Roaf, sheilds, Richardson and Green, his productivity almost has to take a dip in regards to its ceiling. His absolute base is still enough to be a second round player or end of first, but the wheels would have to fall off for that to happen. Personally I think he will end up with middle first stats. He has amazing talent though.

Nearly every rb in Denver (with the exception of Portis + Davis) have been a product of the system. Mike Anderson for example was great last year in Denver. This year he is buried in Blt as the #3 rb. Thus he was a product of the system. Remember Olandis Gary? Any better than avg rb could run through those massive holes the KC O-line was creating.Football is a team game more so or than any other game. I submit that nearly any better than average rb in the NFL would put up great numbers in the KC system of the last few years with that O-Line. But, that system is in flux as I type. This KC offense is very different than it has been in the last few years. You can't expect the same results. There have been MASSIVE changes in KC that Johnson is going to suffer for.Im sorry, but LJ from a physical talent perspective is simply not in the same league as a LT or Barry Sanders. To put him in that league (non fantasy) is a joke.

 

[amnesiac]

Can we please lay off the insults. If you don't agree with him, bring some reasons to the table and actually contribute something to the Shark Pool. People throwing insults around just lessens the usefulness of this board.

can we please lay off the fishing trips? if you have something reasonable to discuss, do so in a polite manner without an inflammatory thread title. people going on fishing trips just lessens the usefulness of this board.

 

[Big Score]

I'd knock Johnson down to a mid second tier rb at this point.

So the guy says in his opinion, he thinks LJ is now mid 2nd tier and he gives his reasons. Trent Green out, so you know D Coordinators are going to be game planning specifically for LJ, unless you happen to think Huard is the second coming.

Missing some pieces to that dominant KC O'line we've all come to know & love.

He doesn't think LJ is as physically talented as LT.

Are any of these reasons he's listed as his opinion, unreasonable?

He says he now thinks LJ is MID TIER 2 fellas.

That means Paprika has LJ in, with the likes of Portis, SJax, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, Tiki Barber & Edge. That's still pretty good company, isn't it?

Some of you have said things like "Go ahead & cut him then", or "I'd trade him for Gado" and other sarcastic remarks. Would any of you making those ridiculous comments, really do that with any of the Tier 2 backs?

I doubt it. But if you would, here's a hint. You don't need to be playing fantasy football.

It sucks when a guy has an opinion & presents the reasons why, all I see is a big pile on.

So Paprika is not a sheep and doesn't have the herd metality. Seems this is a problem for a lot of you.