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Seemed after week 1 preseason, there were a few things people were making some bold predictions about...

NE is primed to repeat 2007... but after last night's game, I'd say not at all. Brady looked off, and the pass rush got to him. I think we'll see NE much more like the pre-07 Pats than the 07 Pats. (Though admittedly I felt this way already)

Donald Brown is going to blow the socks off Addai and relegate him to the bench. Clearly last night Brown looked awful, and Addai looked like he did in preseason week 1. I don't think Addai is going to lose the job this year at all. Brown will be a nice change of pace, and have a few games where he statistically outperforms Addai, but that's it.

Anyone else think there was too much overreaction to week 1?

 
Addai looks like a steal in the 5th. Not sure why he is dropping that far just due to injury and the colts drafting another RB. He ran, caught and blocked really well last night and I cannot imagine anyone at this moment beating him out.

Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.

Chad Johnson will finish in the top 10 this year and prove last year was a fluke. Again another steal in the 4rth round.

The NE running game is a mess and nobody is draftable from that team. I thought McCoy actually looked good in passing situations but tentative in running plays.

 
I only watched the Colts/Eagles game and recorded the Pats/Bengals for later but read the stat lines.

It looked like the Colts passing game is still good and we should expect to get what we usually do out of Manning, Wayne, and Clark. It looks like Gonzalez is going to step up like people think. I would gage him as a really high #3 or really low #2 WR, but maybe he will surprise me. If Clark's targets don't go up quite a bit, I would expect Gonzalez to have a really big year. I think Austin Collie looks like he will be a solid #3 receiver for the Colts, and I haven't been very impressed with Garcon. I really think Addai and Brown will split time evenly. It will be hard on both of their fantasy values and make it difficult to start either as a #2 RB in a regular basis.

McNabb looked fairly solid. DJAX looked good. McCoy is too easy to bring down. He reminds me so much of Westbrook except that Westy is much harder to bring down. The Eagles better hope their offensive line gets healthy because it isn't a good sign if you can't run with some success against the Colts defense.

 
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Seemed after week 1 preseason, there were a few things people were making some bold predictions about...

NE is primed to repeat 2007... but after last night's game, I'd say not at all. Brady looked off, and the pass rush got to him. I think we'll see NE much more like the pre-07 Pats than the 07 Pats. (Though admittedly I felt this way already)

Donald Brown is going to blow the socks off Addai and relegate him to the bench. Clearly last night Brown looked awful, and Addai looked like he did in preseason week 1. I don't think Addai is going to lose the job this year at all. Brown will be a nice change of pace, and have a few games where he statistically outperforms Addai, but that's it.

Anyone else think there was too much overreaction to week 1?
I wished they looked like the pre-07 Pats as in the teams with a defense from 03 and 04. Still, Bodden didn't play and Springs played little and the linebackers are in a state of flux. The Patriots did not do a good job of protecting against the big play last night; this without Carson Palmer behind center. I would assume that had he been playing the Bengals would have looked even better.Brady was off on two passes which COULD have resulted in TD's to Welker and Moss; I don't worry about the ability of the offense to put up points during the regular season.

The defense DOES need to get better, no matter who is playing behind center, if this team hopes to go deep into the playoffs. Like the Steelers, Colts and Chargers, anything but a Super Bowl appearance will be a disappointment.

 
Clearly last night Brown looked awful,
Did you conveniently forget his pass reception where broke a tackle that got them a 1st down in the 2nd drive of the game?
No, didn't conveniently forget anything...
The high-round Colts player that was awful last night played back-up LT, not back-up RB. I don't know why you weren't simply satisfied with saying the more accurate "Addai outplayed Brown in their limited duty last night" instead throwing out a description that was simply false.
 
I was thinking by watching the two games the following.

Brady is going to take time, and he even said so much by wanting to play in the preseason. Once they get their timing back they can get back in the groove. He did get hit more than I thought he would, which is a little disturbing. I also think Freddie T, will help their running game.

Was it the Philly D that was bad or are the Colts that good? I saw Gonzalez taking Harrison routes, some worked some didn't they need to get on track. Addai doesn't look like he is going to give up his job like everyone seems to be thinking. We seem to forget that blocking is the reason he played so much as a rookie. They look like they are going to need his blocking to keep Manning upright, which is a concern for me.

It is early, but that is what I was thinking last night.

 
NE is primed to repeat 2007... but after last night's game, I'd say not at all. Brady looked off, and the pass rush got to him. I think we'll see NE much more like the pre-07 Pats than the 07 Pats. (Though admittedly I felt this way already)
I wonder if anyone has stats or recollection of the end of the 2007 season, when the rest of the league 'caught up' to NE, after understanding their offense better. I think NE blew the socks off of teams early in the season, but teams played them better late, as I recall.If that's the case, and after another year under everyone's belts, then NE won't surprise anyone with their spread offense. It makes sense that they will be good, but not as dominant as they were out of the gate in 2007.
 
Tivo'ing the re-air of the Pats game and haven't seen it yet.

Did they say anything about Pats backup QB situation? I saw O'connell played but Walter didn't. Any explanation of why, and of how the depth chart is shaking out?

 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
 
Seemed after week 1 preseason, there were a few things people were making some bold predictions about...

NE is primed to repeat 2007... but after last night's game, I'd say not at all. Brady looked off, and the pass rush got to him. I think we'll see NE much more like the pre-07 Pats than the 07 Pats. (Though admittedly I felt this way already)

Donald Brown is going to blow the socks off Addai and relegate him to the bench. Clearly last night Brown looked awful, and Addai looked like he did in preseason week 1. I don't think Addai is going to lose the job this year at all. Brown will be a nice change of pace, and have a few games where he statistically outperforms Addai, but that's it.

Anyone else think there was too much overreaction to week 1?
I wished they looked like the pre-07 Pats as in the teams with a defense from 03 and 04. Still, Bodden didn't play and Springs played little and the linebackers are in a state of flux. The Patriots did not do a good job of protecting against the big play last night; this without Carson Palmer behind center. I would assume that had he been playing the Bengals would have looked even better.Brady was off on two passes which COULD have resulted in TD's to Welker and Moss; I don't worry about the ability of the offense to put up points during the regular season.

The defense DOES need to get better, no matter who is playing behind center, if this team hopes to go deep into the playoffs. Like the Steelers, Colts and Chargers, anything but a Super Bowl appearance will be a disappointment.
THIS. Usually, the media talking heads don't get anything right, but you could plainly see Brady NOT stepping into a few of his throws. Pre-season is good for him in that he and The Dark Lord will observe it on tape and correct it.
 
I wished they looked like the pre-07 Pats as in the teams with a defense from 03 and 04. Still, Bodden didn't play and Springs played little and the linebackers are in a state of flux. The Patriots did not do a good job of protecting against the big play last night; this without Carson Palmer behind center. I would assume that had he been playing the Bengals would have looked even better.

Brady was off on two passes which COULD have resulted in TD's to Welker and Moss; I don't worry about the ability of the offense to put up points during the regular season.

The defense DOES need to get better, no matter who is playing behind center, if this team hopes to go deep into the playoffs. Like the Steelers, Colts and Chargers, anything but a Super Bowl appearance will be a disappointment.
Get used to that.
 
I wished they looked like the pre-07 Pats as in the teams with a defense from 03 and 04. Still, Bodden didn't play and Springs played little and the linebackers are in a state of flux. The Patriots did not do a good job of protecting against the big play last night; this without Carson Palmer behind center. I would assume that had he been playing the Bengals would have looked even better.

Brady was off on two passes which COULD have resulted in TD's to Welker and Moss; I don't worry about the ability of the offense to put up points during the regular season.

The defense DOES need to get better, no matter who is playing behind center, if this team hopes to go deep into the playoffs. Like the Steelers, Colts and Chargers, anything but a Super Bowl appearance will be a disappointment.
Get used to that.
:excited: he's a good vet to have around a younger secondary, and if he plays once and a while its a bonus!

 
A few things that I picked up watching the Colts/Eagles:

Colts WR3 is a mess. No Stokley for 1000 yards in that group, it seems.

Addai looked good. Better than Brown.

I don't think the Eagles blitzed Peyton once. So its hard to get a full understanding of how good the Colt's pass protection schemes are or how well Philly might blitz with a new d-coordinator. But that said, Peyton looked in mid-season form.

McNabb looked good.

Kevin Curtis might be a WR3 candidate. Bye week filler at least. Especially in PPR leagues.

DeSean Jackson will be a TD maker.

McCoy was ok, but nothing special.

For missing 4 of 5 starters, the Eagles line was excellent. That would cripple most teams, but they moved the ball well.

 
DeSean is for real. He has a shot at the top 10 this year.

Addai is going to be the lead in a RBBC with Brown. Both will have fantasy relevance but neither will be top 10 IMO.

Ocho is primed for a comeback but if the o-line isn't given any protection he will still be inconsistant.

 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
I saw the game last night, and I saw the same thing as pantherclub. I even stated on the game thread that it looked like the slowest 50+ yard TD I had seen. The DB was completely lost and turned around and beaten by 10 yards or so and was still able to catch up and make a play on Wayne who had to fight through two defenders to fall into the endzone.
 
Donald Brown is going to blow the socks off Addai and relegate him to the bench. Clearly last night Brown looked awful, and Addai looked like he did in preseason week 1. I don't think Addai is going to lose the job this year at all. Brown will be a nice change of pace, and have a few games where he statistically outperforms Addai, but that's it.
I assume that you mean "isn't going to ... " ?
 
Totally missed the game last night but a buddy of mine said that Brown looked stellar and that the announcers commented on how good he was at pass blocking.

How did the LT do for Indy?

 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
I saw the game last night, and I saw the same thing as pantherclub. I even stated on the game thread that it looked like the slowest 50+ yard TD I had seen. The DB was completely lost and turned around and beaten by 10 yards or so and was still able to catch up and make a play on Wayne who had to fight through two defenders to fall into the endzone.
Thanks. It was more of a busted coverage then pitch and catch from peyton to wayne. Wayne was in full stride at least 10 yds and was caught from behind. A Gonzalez had an over the shoulder catch that was picture perfect in the corner of the endzone that I would wager the avg WR probably couldnt make. If you are just looking at stats and not watching the game then it is very misleading. Its pretty apparent to me that you didnt see the game bb.
 
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Totally missed the game last night but a buddy of mine said that Brown looked stellar and that the announcers commented on how good he was at pass blocking. How did the LT do for Indy?
Charlie Johnson gave up the sack and fumble, which wasn't good - but he was otherwise adequate . Ugoh was much, much worse than Johnson - his performance was atrocious against 2nd and 3rd stringers.
 
Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?

 
Totally missed the game last night but a buddy of mine said that Brown looked stellar and that the announcers commented on how good he was at pass blocking. How did the LT do for Indy?
Not sure if that is correct about Brown, he had one good screen pass where he knocked a db(?) to make the first down. His running plays didnt really stand out to me much. Not sure about the LT but it seemed like Peyton was getting hit and pressured a lot more than he was used to.I wouldnt say Browns play was stellar at all. Like others in the thread I doubt he takes over from Addai fulltime anytime soon.
 
How did the LT do for Indy?
Most disturbing part of the night for Indy was their LT play. Charlie Johnson was hideous, so bad that he made former 1st Rd bust Jason Babin actually look like an NFL caliber DE. CJ may have single handedly helped Babin make the Eagles. But Ugoh was even worse. Multiple penalties and repeatedly showed poor technique. Just my opinion but he seemed rather disinterested to me. LT is going to be a major issue again this year for the Colts.At RB Addai and Brown both looked good. It will be difficult to keep Brown off of the field. I see a 60/40 split with those two.
 
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Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
I take Brown Indy over both of the above named RB's. When it's all said done Brown will be the real steal.And two pre-season games don't make or break anyone.
 
Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
He'll be sharing time with Scott by mid season.
 
How did the LT do for Indy?
Most disturbing part of the night for Indy was their LT play. Charlie Johnson was hideous, so bad that he made former 1st Rd bust Jason Babin actually look like an NFL caliber DE. CJ may have single handedly helped Babin make the Eagles. But Ugoh was even worse. Multiple penalties and repeatedly showed poor technique. Just my opinion but he seemed rather disinterested to me. LT is going to be a major issue again this year for the Colts.At RB Addai and Brown both looked good. It will be difficult to keep Brown off of the field. I see a 60/40 split with those two.
There's no question that LT is the single biggest issue for the Colts this season. After last night - there are two debates. One - was Charlie Johnson mediocre or bad last night (I've seen arguments for both)? Two - was Ugoh bad or completely dreadful (no one is defending his play last night). There's no question Ugoh was even worse than Charlie Johnson last night - and this means Johnson will be the starting LT in week 1. With Johnson - at least he's consistently mediocre from play to play - so the Colts can mask his weaknesses somewhat using the TE and RBs. With Ugoh - he varies from play to play from good to mediocre to awful to head-scratchingly brutal. Harder to plan an offense for an LT like that protecting Manning. That's why Ugoh lost his starting job.
 
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Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
I take Brown Indy over both of the above named RB's. When it's all said done Brown will be the real steal.And two pre-season games don't make or break anyone.
What are you basing this on?
 
Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
I take Brown Indy over both of the above named RB's. When it's all said done Brown will be the real steal.And two pre-season games don't make or break anyone.
What are you basing this on?
I was a huge Brown UCONN fan, but Im not sold on him in the NFL for anything but a change of pace back. I hope Im proved wrong as I do like to see Big East players succeed in the NFL
 
[brady]did get hit more than I thought he would, which is a little disturbing. I also think Freddie T, will help their running game.
The hits he was taking also stood out to me. Good for him that he stood in there and took them. But at what he is costing people to get him, you cringe at every one of those hits.BB is smarter than Martz, so I have to think he starts tweaking the pass protection to keep his QB upright. And that may mean less spread as they are forced to keep more bodies in to protect Brady. It will be interesting how Welker's and Moss's production turns out if the Pats have to run more max-protect.Anyone have an opinion on that? The TE or RB staying in to block frees up defenders. More deep help to double Moss or more bodies crowding the middle zones.
 
Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
I take Brown Indy over both of the above named RB's. When it's all said done Brown will be the real steal.And two pre-season games don't make or break anyone.
What are you basing this on?
I was a huge Brown UCONN fan, but Im not sold on him in the NFL for anything but a change of pace back. I hope Im proved wrong as I do like to see Big East players succeed in the NFL
:excited: I'll assume addai gets 70% of the carries.
 
I was thinking by watching the two games the following.Brady is going to take time, and he even said so much by wanting to play in the preseason. Once they get their timing back they can get back in the groove. He did get hit more than I thought he would, which is a little disturbing. I also think Freddie T, will help their running game. Was it the Philly D that was bad or are the Colts that good? I saw Gonzalez taking Harrison routes, some worked some didn't they need to get on track. Addai doesn't look like he is going to give up his job like everyone seems to be thinking. We seem to forget that blocking is the reason he played so much as a rookie. They look like they are going to need his blocking to keep Manning upright, which is a concern for me. It is early, but that is what I was thinking last night.
As an Eagles homer, ill do my best to keep the rose glasses off.Their 2ndary coverage looked extremely vanilla as well as their blitzes. The only db coverage I saw was single and cover-2. I wouldnt expect this to be the case into the season.
 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
I saw the game last night, and I saw the same thing as pantherclub. I even stated on the game thread that it looked like the slowest 50+ yard TD I had seen. The DB was completely lost and turned around and beaten by 10 yards or so and was still able to catch up and make a play on Wayne who had to fight through two defenders to fall into the endzone.
Thanks. It was more of a busted coverage then pitch and catch from peyton to wayne. Wayne was in full stride at least 10 yds and was caught from behind. A Gonzalez had an over the shoulder catch that was picture perfect in the corner of the endzone that I would wager the avg WR probably couldnt make. If you are just looking at stats and not watching the game then it is very misleading. Its pretty apparent to me that you didnt see the game bb.
I agree that the TD catch by Gonzo was great. However, my concern was the way he didn't seem to put much effort into the slant route on the previous play. Only at the end when he saw that it was going to be a pick did he seem to have some urgency. Found it interesting that at the Goal line they would go with Gonzo over Wayne, but it is the preseason and maybe they wanted to work on those two routes.I think the WR 3 is going to be a mess for Indy. My advice would be if you like either Collie or Garcon and you have the roster spot in a I would stash them away.
 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
I saw the game last night, and I saw the same thing as pantherclub. I even stated on the game thread that it looked like the slowest 50+ yard TD I had seen. The DB was completely lost and turned around and beaten by 10 yards or so and was still able to catch up and make a play on Wayne who had to fight through two defenders to fall into the endzone.
Thanks. It was more of a busted coverage then pitch and catch from peyton to wayne. Wayne was in full stride at least 10 yds and was caught from behind. A Gonzalez had an over the shoulder catch that was picture perfect in the corner of the endzone that I would wager the avg WR probably couldnt make. If you are just looking at stats and not watching the game then it is very misleading. Its pretty apparent to me that you didnt see the game bb.
You're joking right? Caught from behind? NO. The safety takes a good angle to stop him from getting to the endzone unevaded but Wayne makes a move and then basically walks into the endzone. Fight through 2 defenders? No. Watch it again because he knows it's a TD he walks the last few yards and the defenders make a vain attempt to stop him. Gonzalez made a grab that is one of the easiest catches a WR will ever get for a TD, not knocking him but seriously, the pass is perfect, go watch those plays again.
 
I was thinking by watching the two games the following.

Brady is going to take time, and he even said so much by wanting to play in the preseason. Once they get their timing back they can get back in the groove. He did get hit more than I thought he would, which is a little disturbing. I also think Freddie T, will help their running game.

Was it the Philly D that was bad or are the Colts that good? I saw Gonzalez taking Harrison routes, some worked some didn't they need to get on track. Addai doesn't look like he is going to give up his job like everyone seems to be thinking. We seem to forget that blocking is the reason he played so much as a rookie. They look like they are going to need his blocking to keep Manning upright, which is a concern for me.

It is early, but that is what I was thinking last night.
As an Eagles homer, ill do my best to keep the rose glasses off.Their 2ndary coverage looked extremely vanilla as well as their blitzes. The only db coverage I saw was single and cover-2. I wouldnt expect this to be the case into the season.
Any time Ellis Hobbs is on the field it's cover one.
 
Peyton looks awesome and Gonzalez looks like the real deal. Reggie Wayne looked slow to me for some reason.
Let's see R.W. 2-90-1 and A.G. 2-4-1Gonzo makes a TD catch so he is the real deal? Nice catch in the endzone from a player who is known to have soft, reliable hands. He will be a good possesion receiver, no doubt. Wayne gets his TD on a 76 yarder, but looks slow? Noone who makes any 76 yard play in the NFL,(preseason or not) is slow, no mater how it looked to you.
I saw the game last night, and I saw the same thing as pantherclub. I even stated on the game thread that it looked like the slowest 50+ yard TD I had seen. The DB was completely lost and turned around and beaten by 10 yards or so and was still able to catch up and make a play on Wayne who had to fight through two defenders to fall into the endzone.
Thanks. It was more of a busted coverage then pitch and catch from peyton to wayne. Wayne was in full stride at least 10 yds and was caught from behind. A Gonzalez had an over the shoulder catch that was picture perfect in the corner of the endzone that I would wager the avg WR probably couldnt make. If you are just looking at stats and not watching the game then it is very misleading. Its pretty apparent to me that you didnt see the game bb.
You're joking right? Caught from behind? NO. The safety takes a good angle to stop him from getting to the endzone unevaded but Wayne makes a move and then basically walks into the endzone. Fight through 2 defenders? No. Watch it again because he knows it's a TD he walks the last few yards and the defenders make a vain attempt to stop him. Gonzalez made a grab that is one of the easiest catches a WR will ever get for a TD, not knocking him but seriously, the pass is perfect, go watch those plays again.
When I saw the replay and saw where the safety came from I though it was weird that he caught Wayne. Taking an angle only allows for so much. The safety made up a lot of ground.
 
Cedric Bensen is going to be a steal in every draft this year. Running and catching as the lead back on an offense that will get back on track this year. Who would you rather have Addai or Bensen?
He'll be sharing time with Scott by mid season.
Lewis has proven time after time that he is not a RBBC coach. I like Scott and I'm not a huge Benson supporter, but I think a time-share is the least likely possibility for the Bengals.
 
I didn't think Brown looked awful, but also didn't think he looked good either. His one flagship play of the night was that catch when Philly blitz 7 and he was completely left alone in the flat. He made a nice catch and kept his balance well, but the DB on the play totally wiffed on the hit because he had his head down. So long story short I'm somewhere in between on Brown unlike a lot of folks I guess.

Manning looked very impressive.

Philly needs a healthy oline. I'm beginning to get concerned with that unit to be honest. On paper it should be one of the best in the NFL. Cohesiveness is a huge element of oline play though. Elite talent can play average simply because they are not all on the same page. Average talent can play at an elite level simply because they all play as one. The longer this unit is apart and not on the field together more I'll worry. The NFC East has got great Dline and pass rushers from top to bottom now (with Wash adding Haynesworth) so the oline will have to play well for Philly to win the division.

 

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