Latavius Murray responsible for fumble on score sheet? (1 Viewer)

[SengerCJ]

FIRST OFF, I did search this and found a few threads on this from 4-5 years ago. Between the nonsense and bickering I really couldn't find a good answer, so I'm curious if this has a more clear answer today?

SECOND, I do own, and did start, Murray this week. My match up doesn't rely on this fumble, I'm just curious on the actual ruling of this. Wether it usually gets corrected or it's already the correct ruling.

Carr pitched the ball to Murray and it hit him right in the hands but he dropped it. Can you really fumble what you never possess? I'm aware it was entirely Murray's fault, so is it up to the judgement of the score keeper as to who actually fumbled it?

 

[Donnybrook]

IMO that turnover was all on Murray. He deserves the penalty points.

 

[SengerCJ]

IMO that turnover was all on Murray. He deserves the penalty points.

I completely agree he deserves it but I always look at things very literally, if that makes sense. Player A is holding the ball, tosses the ball, it bounces off Player B. To me, technically it's a fumble by Player A but maybe it's the wrong way to look at it.

 

[Doubledown1313]

My guess is it gets changed to an interception once stat corrections go through. I don't thunk they will consider Murray having possession of the ball.

 

[sho nuff]

My guess is it gets changed to an interception once stat corrections go through. I don't thunk they will consider Murray having possession of the ball.

If it hit the ground it can't be an int

 

[Milkman]

If anything its a Carr Fumble. Can't be an INT.

 

[ponchsox]

Whatever the case may be he was benched for Helu after.

 

[packer_junkie]

any chance this gets changed? Im in a close matchup

 

[Alex P Keaton]

If anything its a Carr Fumble. Can't be an INT.

Wrong. The stat guys decide whose fault the fumble was. If Murray dropped an easy pitch, that is on him.

 

[SengerCJ]

If anything its a Carr Fumble. Can't be an INT.

Wrong. The stat guys decide whose fault the fumble was. If Murray dropped an easy pitch, that is on him.

This is what I figured. Just surprises me a stat would be a judgement call. Makes me feel like wide open WRs dropping a catch should be charged with an incomplete pass instead of the QB.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Wasn't a judgement call. The stinking ball hit him in the hands. That was all on Murray.

 

[Koya]

From what I saw, should be a fumble on the QB. Fair or not.

I'd think they'd get this correct either right away, or stat change.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

huh? The ball hit Murray in the hands. How did you arrive at your conclusion?

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Well... if this is true I'm about to lose week 4 by .05 points.

https://twitter.com/JLee7325/status/651894187181350912

 

[nb009]

I haven't seen the play. But if Murray didn't have full possession of the ball, the fumble will be rewarded to Carr. Simple as that.

 

[armchairffqb]

I haven't seen the play. But if Murray didn't have full possession of the ball, the fumble will be rewarded to Carr. Simple as that.

So should Agholor been given a fumble as he was on NFL.com?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000548904/Eagles-Nelson-Agholor-fumbles-on-the-reverse-Redskins-recover

 

[RealReactions]

You all saying it should be a fumble for carr are delusional

 

[simmias]

You all saying it should be a fumble for carr are delusional

NFL.com already changed it from Murray to Carr.

 

[RealReactions]

They are delusional as well. It clearly should be a murray fumble.

 

[nb009]

I haven't seen the play. But if Murray didn't have full possession of the ball, the fumble will be rewarded to Carr. Simple as that.

So should Agholor been given a fumble as he was on NFL.com?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000548904/Eagles-Nelson-Agholor-fumbles-on-the-reverse-Redskins-recover

I have no clue why this is rewarded to Agholor.

Maybe the rule only applies when a QB is involved?

 

[simmias]

They are delusional as well. It clearly should be a murray fumble.

It's a backward pass, and in the NFL it's charged to the passer, regardless of whether the intended recipient muffed the ball. In college the statistician can make the call, but not in the NFL.

http://www.nflgsis.com/gsis/documentation/stadiumguides/guide_for_statisticians.pdf

Here's the example they use:

Example VI: Second-and-10 at 20-yard line. Quarterback receives snap and attempts a backward pass (pitchout or lateral). The pass is satisfactory, but the ball bounces off the running back’s hands and is recovered by an opponent at the 11. Scoring: Quarterback gets one rush for no yards and a fumble for minus 9 (fumble yardage). Credit the player recovering the ball with an opponents’ recovery.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Well then, the played was scored correctly according to that example. What a crazy ruling. Murray was pulled after that play and the staff appear visibly upset at him.

I would bet good money that if we could give JDR a lie detector test he would say Murray fumbled that ball.

 

[Milkman]

You all saying it should be a fumble for carr are delusional

Lol ooopppsss!