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LATERAL to Williams -- TD Pass for Culpepper ? (1 Viewer)

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Okay, should Culpepper get credit for a TD pass?Moss lateraled to Moe Williams.Does Moe get credit for a TD? Rucking? Receiving?

 
3-24-MIN41 :-)12) (Shotgun) D. Culpepper pass to R. Moss to MIN 15 for -26 yards. Lateral to M. Williams for 85 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.

Ugh. minus 26 yards passing. then 85 yards more. the box score said 59 yard reception duante to moe. Ugly.

 
Fanball live scoring is giving Culp the pass TD, Moss the yards before the lateral, and Moe the yards after the lateral and a rushing TD, FWIW.

 
How can Culpepper get credit for a td pass to Williams when he didn't catch a pass? I believe this will be ruled just as if Moss fumbled and Williams recovered. Passing yards only for Pepper and td for Williams. :thumbup:

 
3-24-MIN41 :-)12) (Shotgun) D. Culpepper pass to R. Moss to MIN 15 for -26 yards. Lateral to M. Williams for 85 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.

Ugh.  minus 26 yards passing.  then 85 yards more.  the box score said 59 yard reception duante to moe.  Ugly.
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Obviously that's wrong, should be DEN 15 I think so 44 receiving yards for Moss, then I don't know what you call the Williams yards.Edit because having considered it, I no longer think it should be a Culpepper TD and agree that there is really no way to differentiate between Moss' lateral and a fumble.

 
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It'll be a rushing TD for Williams with Moss and Culpepper getting credit for the yardage to the point of the lateral.

 
3-24-MIN41 :-)12) (Shotgun) D. Culpepper pass to R. Moss to MIN 15 for -26 yards. Lateral to M. Williams for 85 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.

Ugh. minus 26 yards passing. then 85 yards more. the box score said 59 yard reception duante to moe. Ugly.
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Obviously that's wrong, should be DEN 15 I think so 44 receiving yards for Moss, then I don't know what you call the Williams yards, but I think a Culpepper passing TD is right.
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That just what NFL.com has up right now. We will see.
 
That is absolutely NOT a TD pass for Culpepper. The pass play ends as soon as Moss catches it. Once he laterals it, it becomes in essence, a run by Moe williams off a lateral. If this is a DC TD pass, it will be the first time in my 25 years of watching FB that I have ever seen it scored that way.

 
Just to add to the mix here, Yahoo is currently giving Moss credit for a 50 yard pass reception, Moe is getting credit for a 15 yard TD pass reception, and CPepp is getting credit for a TD pass.EDIT to add CPepp TD pass credit.

 
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It'll be a rushing TD for Williams with Moss and Culpepper getting credit for the yardage to the point of the lateral. Cracker has it right.....

 
It'll be a rushing TD for Williams with Moss and Culpepper getting credit for the yardage to the point of the lateral.
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I agree with this ruling and I believe it will be the end result after the various live-scoring systems finish processing this one. :thumbup:
 
It'll be a rushing TD for Williams with Moss and Culpepper getting credit for the yardage to the point of the lateral. Cracker has it right.....
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I hope Culpepper and Moe both get points.....
 
This is how it's up now....TD Moe Williams, 15 Yd pass from Daunte Culpepper (Aaron Elling kick is good), 0:00. Drive: 6 plays, 81 yards in 1:51.

 
CBS Sportsline is still crediting Culpepper with a TD pass. If Moss caught the ball and lateraled it to Moe, how is that a TD pass?

 
Fanball live scoring is giving Culp the pass TD, Moss the yards before the lateral, and Moe the yards after the lateral and a rushing TD, FWIW.
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:confused: not on our fanball scoring. Has it as a rush for williams, 9 yards at that! :rant: I hate these type of plays.
 
If a receiver laterals the ball to a teammate, the receiving yardage continues and the quarterback can still be awarded a TD pass.

EXAMPLE: In 1999, Marino threw a 23-yard pass to Keith Jackson, who dished the ball to Irving Fryar, who ran the final 2 yards for a TD.

Marino: 25 yards passing, TD pass.

Jackson: catch, 23 yards receiving.

Fryar: no catch, 2 receiving yards, receiving TD.

Edited to say that I wish this was wrong because I am playing against Culpepper and I own Moe and would rather see it be a rushing TD!

 
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If a receiver laterals the ball to a teammate, the receiving yardage continues and the quarterback can still be awarded a TD pass. EXAMPLE: In 1999, Marino threw a 23-yard pass to Keith Jackson, who dished the ball to Irving Fryar, who ran the final 2 yards for a TD. Marino: 25 yards passing, TD pass.Jackson: catch, 23 yards receiving.Fryar: no catch, 2 receiving yards, receiving TD.
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Exactly!
 
Figures, I have Moss and am playing the team that has Culpepper......now Culpepper is credited with a TD even though the real "heads up" play is from Moss. If anything, Moss should get something for an incredible "no look" pass....definitely not a TD pass for Dante

 
This is amazing!!! I can't believe it would be scored a passing TD, but I think it will based on the citing of a prior example. It makes no sense, but if that's the way it is - you learn something new every day.

 
If a receiver laterals the ball to a teammate, the receiving yardage continues and the quarterback can still be awarded a TD pass.

EXAMPLE: In 1999, Marino threw a 23-yard pass to Keith Jackson, who dished the ball to Irving Fryar, who ran the final 2 yards for a TD.

Marino: 25 yards passing, TD pass.

Jackson: catch, 23 yards receiving.

Fryar: no catch, 2 receiving yards, receiving TD.

Edited to say that I wish this was wrong because I am playing against Culpepper and I own Moe and would rather see it be a rushing TD!
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And there we have it. Good job with the rule. Thanks for the (oh-so-painful) information.
 
If a receiver laterals the ball to a teammate, the receiving yardage continues and the quarterback can still be awarded a TD pass.

EXAMPLE: In 1999, Marino threw a 23-yard pass to Keith Jackson, who dished the ball to Irving Fryar, who ran the final 2 yards for a TD.

Marino: 25 yards passing, TD pass.

Jackson: catch, 23 yards receiving.

Fryar: no catch, 2 receiving yards, receiving TD.

Edited to say that I wish this was wrong because I am playing against Culpepper and I own Moe and would rather see it be a rushing TD!
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And there we have it. Good job with the rule. Thanks for the (oh-so-painful) information.
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All I have to say is that there was a pass thrown and on the same play, without a change of team possession, a TD was caught.. Pepper should get the TD pass. Nice Marino ref, BTW..

 
If my memory is correct ( usually isn't ) wouldn't McMichael's td last week fall under the same rule? Moss's pitch is accually a fumble picked up by someone else and ran in for a td. If it is this can't be a td pass.

 
If my memory is correct ( usually isn't ) wouldn't McMichael's td last week fall under the same rule? Moss's pitch is accually a fumble picked up by someone else and ran in for a td. If it is this can't be a td pass.
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Wasn't a fumble. Was a straight up lateral. No ground touching or nothing.Treated much like a fumble, but not a fumble.
 
Wasn't a fumble. Was a straight up lateral. No ground touching or nothing.Treated much like a fumble, but not a fumble.
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So how do you differentiate the lateral from the fumble statistically??Is it because it didn't touch the ground? If so, does that mean a QB pitch to a RB that touches the ground is actually a fumble?If there is a fumble (non-intentional) that pops out and into the hands of a teammate, is it then a lateral?Or are you supposed to read the mind of the player? Seems to me it should be scored EXACTLY like the McMichael play. Not a passing/receiving TD, & no receiving/rushing yds after the ball changed hands, only a Return TD (as scored by the NFL, in my league we would count as rushing TD).
 
You guys worry too much. All you needed to do in this situation is what I did....start Culpepper, Moss, and Moe. Then you're set.I've already won & I still have Priest tomorrow night. :excited:

 
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Here's how I think about it:How did the ball get in position for Moe to run it in? A pass from Culpepper. If Moss would have finished the play, it would have been a passing TD. The team just used all it's available resources to get the TD.

 
If a receiver laterals the ball to a teammate, the receiving yardage continues and the quarterback can still be awarded a TD pass.

EXAMPLE: In 1999, Marino threw a 23-yard pass to Keith Jackson, who dished the ball to Irving Fryar, who ran the final 2 yards for a TD.

Marino: 25 yards passing, TD pass.

Jackson: catch, 23 yards receiving.

Fryar: no catch, 2 receiving yards, receiving TD.

Edited to say that I wish this was wrong because I am playing against Culpepper and I own Moe and would rather see it be a rushing TD!
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Except Keith Jackson was out of football in 1999. After some digging I found the play occured in 1994. Everything else is correct:Box Score

It doesn't flat out state Marino with credit for a TD throw but in the following days recap it has Marino with 289 yds and 2 TDs. Marino definitely got credit for the TD on the Jackson/Kirby lateral.

Marino's stats

 
How about this, I score by hand and have a 3 point bonus for a TD over 30 yards.How would you rule this?
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As it stands, which is a 59 yard completion from Culpepper to Williams.Our rules go by what the NFL says, to keep things simple. Keep an eye on it though...it may change.
 
This is the correct way to score this:Culpepper: 59 yard TD passMoss: 1 Reception 44 yards recievingM. Williams: 0 Receptions 15 yard recieving TDScore and award bonus points accordingly. :brush:

 
How about this, I score by hand and have a 3 point bonus for a TD over 30 yards.

How would you rule this?
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As it stands, which is a 59 yard completion from Culpepper to Williams.Our rules go by what the NFL says, to keep things simple.

Keep an eye on it though...it may change.
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This isn't how NFL.com scores it:Moe Williams, 59 Yd pass play from Daunte Culpepper

as opposed to

Kelly Campbell, 47 Yd pass from Daunte Culpepper

For correct scoring see above post.

 
How about this, I score by hand and have a 3 point bonus for a TD over 30 yards.

How would you rule this?
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As it stands, which is a 59 yard completion from Culpepper to Williams.Our rules go by what the NFL says, to keep things simple.

Keep an eye on it though...it may change.
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This isn't how NFL.com scores it:Moe Williams, 59 Yd pass play from Daunte Culpepper

as opposed to

Kelly Campbell, 47 Yd pass from Daunte Culpepper

For correct scoring see above post.
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INTERESTING.
 
This is the correct way to score this:Culpepper: 59 yard TD passMoss: 1 Reception 44 yards recievingM. Williams: 0 Receptions 15 yard recieving TDScore and award bonus points accordingly. :brush:
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Fanball is scoring it as a 15 rushing TD for Moe, which is correct. NFL.COM will change that box score I guarantee it. No way that is a passing TD for Culp.
 
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