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[azcards33]

When I heard there was free MNF in Phoenix I tried to get the afternoon off. I live about 2 hrs away. I was unable to get the time off. I felt like I missed a golden opportunity. FREE MNF was what was being advertised here. I never heard the word donation until I turned the game on. I think it was a great idea to get donations but here it was advertised free and it was implied it was free to fill the stands.

I do a lot of charity work. I am president of a very busy charitable organization.

Having said that I am cheap as hell. I prob would have donated 5$.

If I could afford to go to an NFL game this deal wouldnt have seemed so cool.

It was the free part that caught my ears

Again I dint get to go but those are my feelings. Something shouldnt be advertised free to fill the stands and then the next day get pissed off that no one paid.

I did not attend the game, but from what I understood, although tickets were free, those who attended were expected to leave a donation. I listened to Sporting News radio here in the Phoenix area, watched several new reports on the game being moved because I was interested in going, and all of them made it clear that some type of monetary donation was being asked of those who attended, although tickets were free.This is from the Arizona Republic the day of the game, it also makes it clear that fans attending were expected to leave a donation and i'm sure it was exactly what other local or regional papers advertised it as too:

"Tickets for the 7 p.m. game will be free by decree of NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who asked that fans make donations to the San Diego wildfire relief fund.

I seriously considered going to this game, but got word that Sun Devil Stadium was packed and had a huge line, mostly "starving students", by 9:30 AM. I heard that by 12:30 the place was an absolute zoo with no parking and 1,000s of people waiting for the ticket office/gates to open

 

[FF Dude]

Seems like most of you either never went to college or forgot what your perspective on the world was during those years. The students that could have afforded to pay the extra cash most definitely saved it for beer and hot dogs as others have said. Beer and hot dogs and a night out with your friends is what is important to them right now. Unless they have friends or family directly linked to the fires, it would not be that big a deal to them. Go ahead and try to convince me that that's not how it is if you want. But I have a lot of college kids who work for me, and they are very self-centered individuals who are only just beginning to understand their place in the world. It doesn't excuse the lack of giving, but I think it should have been expected. Some day, we can hope that they grow up, make lots of money, and understand the joy of helping others, but they must first realize that life exists outside their own little world.

 

[bagger]

Seems like most of you either never went to college or forgot what your perspective on the world was during those years. The students that could have afforded to pay the extra cash most definitely saved it for beer and hot dogs as others have said. Beer and hot dogs and a night out with your friends is what is important to them right now. Unless they have friends or family directly linked to the fires, it would not be that big a deal to them. Go ahead and try to convince me that that's not how it is if you want. But I have a lot of college kids who work for me, and they are very self-centered individuals who are only just beginning to understand their place in the world. It doesn't excuse the lack of giving, but I think it should have been expected. Some day, we can hope that they grow up, make lots of money, and understand the joy of helping others, but they must first realize that life exists outside their own little world.

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Seems like most of you either never went to college or forgot what your perspective on the world was during those years. The students that could have afforded to pay the extra cash most definitely saved it for beer and hot dogs as others have said. Beer and hot dogs and a night out with your friends is what is important to them right now. Unless they have friends or family directly linked to the fires, it would not be that big a deal to them. Go ahead and try to convince me that that's not how it is if you want. But I have a lot of college kids who work for me, and they are very self-centered individuals who are only just beginning to understand their place in the world. It doesn't excuse the lack of giving, but I think it should have been expected. Some day, we can hope that they grow up, make lots of money, and understand the joy of helping others, but they must first realize that life exists outside their own little world.

I think you make a point on human development which needs to be addressed. Men and women are to be past that self-centered age by 18 years of age. The fact that they aren't isn't an excuse so much as a damning indictment. So with this I would have been given the same charge when I was 18 and that simply wasn't the case. My biggest prob was the unending chase for new tail.So, these starving students had the time to wait in line all day? I think I know why they might be starving.Look, I conceded that there are "starving students" and will go further to say many of whom may be quite financially responsible. Since I am a charitable guy I think I should send a check to the local Tempe Denney's for the Stiffed Waitress Relief Fund. I didn't enjoy their sevice or eat the food but because I call a miser a miser it is incumbant upon me to make up for the short fall from those who did.20 year-old freeloaders, 30 year-old freeloaders, 60 year-old freeloaders have one thing in common: They're freeloaders. Most of the defenders and apologists simply are conceding the point by saying: "Yeah, but they are 20 year-old freeloaders enjoying heavilly subsidized higher education costs in the hopes of one day being a contributing member of society so they ought to be excused from criticism."On a positive note, there sure were some very generous Az'ers that boosted the mean donation. Many thanks.

 

[zoni]

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

Ehhhh, sure you would have. Hindsight is 20/20.We really don't know what the ratio of college students / non-students were at the game, and I don't know if that's a solid excuse for the donation total. Keep in mind that there are several other factors involved when reasoning as to why the money wasn't what was expected:1) We have our share of devestating wildland fires here every summer. Hearing about wildland fires is really no big deal and somewhat commonplace in our area. Wildland fire reports during the summers are a daily feed right around the weather forcast - or headline news if it's taking out towns. So the feeling of urgency might not have been like somewhere that doesn't experience this.2) In all honesty, the press really wasn't covering these fires before the whole MNF thing. I mean, I knew there were fires in Cal, there are Santa Ana driven fires out there EVERY year. But I didn't know the severity until I read the initial "MNF could be cancelled" thread. It was then that I did some news searches and realized the extent. That was late Sunday night. So....by the time the news spread here, all we were hearing was "free MNF" (no, I didn't go). The news was saying there was a donation expected, but still didn't really get into the devestation of the fires themselves.The point of these two points is that when people here hear "wildland fires" it's like hearing "mugging" in New Jersey. It's no big deal. And not until right before the MNF game, and ever since did the news here begin to tell of how devestating these fires actually were. So I just think people generally didn't understand what was going on outside of a free football game.My guess is that there were 3 basic population sets there:1) The college students (55%): Probably donated little or no money, and bought little concessions in the game. They spent their money at the local pubs before and after. This is probably where the businesses got most of thier income from this event.2) Working Class (35%) : Higher donation amounts - more spent during the game in concessions.3) General Freeloaders (10%)Now, on the college students thing...As I was reading this thread I kept thinking pretty much what FF Dude said. For a college kid, using your $20 for three beers (not to mention what they had beforehand) would most likely be a definate priority over "charity". Sorry, but that's the way it is - not with everyone, but with the majority of 18 - 22 year males.Listen, I'm 15 years removed from college age, but can still remember back to those days. Think about it, you just blew your money last weekend, and suddenly there's a free MNF game just a block away. Wouldn't you go? Yes. So...you've got a certain amount of cash, say $30, left from the weekend and this has "to last all week". In my college days, I'd have blown that on beer before the gates opened.So please, get off the high horse.

 

[bagger]

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

Ehhhh, sure you would have. Hindsight is 20/20.We really don't know what the ratio of college students / non-students were at the game, and I don't know if that's a solid excuse for the donation total. Keep in mind that there are several other factors involved when reasoning as to why the money wasn't what was expected:1) We have our share of devestating wildland fires here every summer. Hearing about wildland fires is really no big deal and somewhat commonplace in our area. Wildland fire reports during the summers are a daily feed right around the weather forcast - or headline news if it's taking out towns. So the feeling of urgency might not have been like somewhere that doesn't experience this.2) In all honesty, the press really wasn't covering these fires before the whole MNF thing. I mean, I knew there were fires in Cal, there are Santa Ana driven fires out there EVERY year. But I didn't know the severity until I read the initial "MNF could be cancelled" thread. It was then that I did some news searches and realized the extent. That was late Sunday night. So....by the time the news spread here, all we were hearing was "free MNF" (no, I didn't go). The news was saying there was a donation expected, but still didn't really get into the devestation of the fires themselves.The point of these two points is that when people here hear "wildland fires" it's like hearing "mugging" in New Jersey. It's no big deal. And not until right before the MNF game, and since did the news here begin to tell of how devistating these fires were. So I just think people generally didn't understand what was going on outside of a free football game.Now, on the college students thing...As I was reading this thread I kept thinking pretty much what FF Dude said. For a college kid, using your $20 for three beers (not to mention what they had beforehand) would most likely be a definate priority over "charity". Sorry, but that's the way it is - not with everyone, but with the majority of 18 - 22 year males.Listen, I'm 15 years removed from college age, but can still remember back to those days. Think about it, you just blew your money last weekend, and suddenly there's a free MNF game just a block away. Wouldn't you go? Yes. So...you've got a certain amount of cash, say $30, left from the weekend and this has "to last all week". In my college days, I'd have blown that on beer before the gates opened.So please, get off the high horse.

with all of the excuses i'm hearing (mainly from others who live out in az) it's apparent that there's good reason why a lot of money wasn't raised. many of the people here felt entitled to a free MNF game and #### the people in socal.i've heard your lame excuse of how there were fires in az last year and it's commonplace. that's total bull####. bottom line cheap people took advantage of a free game and did not give a donation that was implied.this attitude that seems to be prevalent and that i'm on sort of high horse for expecting that patrons of a free MNF game give $10 is astounding.there is no excuse for what happened on monday and it reflects horribly on the people of az, which unfortunately to say i've been one for the past year.

 

[zoni]

Hey, come on Sandbagger, don't get so defensive. You've totally missed every one of my points. Let me explain some more:

with all of the excuses i'm hearing (mainly from others who live out in az) it's apparent that there's good reason why a lot of money wasn't raised. many of the people here felt entitled to a free MNF game and #### the people in socal.

I think you may not have read what I wrote.

i've heard your lame excuse of how there were fires in az last year and it's commonplace. that's total bull####. bottom line cheap people took advantage of a free game and did not give a donation that was implied.

It's not just last year. It's EVERY year. You've only been here one year, so you don't realize this yet. I'm assuming you're from socal?

this attitude that seems to be prevalent and that i'm on sort of high horse for expecting that patrons of a free MNF game give $10 is astounding.

The high horse wasn't a comment about $10, nor was it directed specifically at you. It was folks from a "kinder, gentler world" that were saying "when I was in college, I would have...", and thus assuming that all college kids would have donated that money.

there is no excuse for what happened on monday and it reflects horribly on the people of az, which unfortunately to say i've been one for the past year.

Move back to Socal if you don't like it.

Listen bro - I wasn't busting directly on you. I was trying to point out some factors beneath the surface. That's all.

 

[bentley]

lmao at the notion that wildfires are like muggings in new york or new jersey.how many ####ing wildfires are causing a stadium that holds 60000 people to be used as an evacuation center. and that wasnt the only one either. the state of rhode island has burned.you clowns can make all the lame ### excuses you want for these pathetic scabs, but the simple fact is, there is no reasonable excuse that can be given.many of these so called starving students will spend major bucks regularly at the movies, the bars, the nightclubs, etc. it is just absurd that some of you want to excuse these 'kids' and the rest of them.the average per person was under 4 bucks. the sad part is that that is the AVERAGE. that means...many gave considerably less or nothing. what a disgrace.all of you deadbeat supporters and excuse makers...please explain to me how money is so tight for them, yet these college kids can go bar hopping on the weekends which will easily surpass 30 bones, movies, concerts, etc., make car payments and all that other stuff, yet cant muster up 10 bucks. this isnt ethiopia for christs sake.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Guys, without getting nasty, are you explaining the situation or excusing it??For myself I'm calling it for what it is. The justifications and rationalizations are simply not interesting for most human acts have these elements. To reach the threshhold of excusing actors from responsibility there has to be an external element outside of their influence and I don't see it here in this thread. Look, they didn't start any fires. They were just cheap. At a charitable event, that's tacky. Tacky behavior elicits indignation. What is out-of-balance here?

 

[Mr Dingles]

I'm sorry, but wasn't this a FREE game with OPTIONAL donation? I truly feel for the people in California and if I went to the game, I would have donated my share. But if they're going to advertise the game as free to a bunch of college students, why are they surprised when most of them don't pay? I like the suggestion of $10 per ticket. Still a hell of a deal yet still a hell of a lot more than they raised otherwise. Oh well, too late now...

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

I'm sorry, but wasn't this a FREE game with OPTIONAL donation? I truly feel for the people in California and if I went to the game, I would have donated my share. But if they're going to advertise the game as free to a bunch of college students, why are they surprised when most of them don't pay? I like the suggestion of $10 per ticket. Still a hell of a deal yet still a hell of a lot more than they raised otherwise. Oh well, too late now...

That' sums it up well. It's a shame it couldn't have been a win/win/win though clearly a lot of people must have tried to bump the mean.

 

[zoni]

Guys, without getting nasty, are you explaining the situation or excusing it??For myself I'm calling it for what it is. The justifications and rationalizations are simply not interesting for most human acts have these elements. To reach the threshhold of excusing actors from responsibility there has to be an external element outside of their influence and I don't see it here in this thread. Look, they didn't start any fires. They were just cheap. At a charitable event, that's tacky. Tacky behavior elicits indignation. What is out-of-balance here?

Not really explaining it or excusing it. It is embarrassing (and a sarcastic thank you azcards for starting this thread).I think I was mainly trying to point out that there was really no major coverage of the fires until late Monday. The majority of people heard about the game Monday while at work or school, most likely via word of mouth. The news probably came across as "Hey, they moved tonights game to Tempe because of the fires in California". The response was like "Cool, let's go".The term "Fires in California" is not uncommon, and generally raises no flags. Again, not until the 10pm news Monday did we start really seeing what was going on and how bad they really were.

 

[bentley]

But if they're going to advertise the game as free to a bunch of college students, why are they surprised when most of them don't pay?

why are college 'kids' exempt from basic compassion and generosity or basic civic responsibility? whatever happened to basic patriotism and a sense of community and brotherhood? why are our expectations set so low? i think the real question is, not why are we surprised when most of them dont pay, but why are we surprised that they are so selfish. doesnt that have more truth to it?

 

[bentley]

Guys, without getting nasty, are you explaining the situation or excusing it??For myself I'm calling it for what it is. The justifications and rationalizations are simply not interesting for most human acts have these elements. To reach the threshhold of excusing actors from responsibility there has to be an external element outside of their influence and I don't see it here in this thread. Look, they didn't start any fires. They were just cheap. At a charitable event, that's tacky. Tacky behavior elicits indignation. What is out-of-balance here?

Not really explaining it or excusing it. It is embarrassing (and a sarcastic thank you azcards for starting this thread).I think I was mainly trying to point out that there was really no major coverage of the fires until late Monday. The majority of people heard about the game Monday while at work or school, most likely via word of mouth. The news probably came across as "Hey, they moved tonights game to Tempe because of the fires in California". The response was like "Cool, let's go".The term "Fires in California" is not uncommon, and generally raises no flags. Again, not until the 10pm news Monday did we start really seeing what was going on and how bad they really were.

again.so 'fires in california' means the same thing when you hear that a game cant be played in essentially DOWNTOWN San Diego? do you really expect us to buy the line that it seemed like any other time there have been fires, when a monday night football game is moved because they are using the stadium as an evacuation center for THOUSANDS of people?

 

[zoni]

so 'fires in california' means the same thing when you hear that a game cant be played in essentially DOWNTOWN San Diego? do you really expect us to buy the line that it seemed like any other time there have been fires, when a monday night football game is moved because they are using the stadium as an evacuation center for THOUSANDS of people?

No. That's huge. But the actual news of how many homes were burnt and lives lost weren't really broadcast until most of the attendees got home and saw the late tv news. I'm not excusing it, and I'm sorry everything I'm saying it being taken so literal, but I'm just saying everything came so fast and many people really didn't understand all that was going on. Once again, I AM NOT EXCUSING ANYTHING OR JUSTIFIYING ANYTHING.It was advertised as a FREE GAME!!!

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Not really explaining it or excusing it. It is embarrassing (and a sarcastic thank you azcards for starting this thread).

:rotflmao: The Monday Night Football thread on Sunday alerted me to it too. We knew of the fires and heard they were bad but I work in a school on the Grapevine that was used as a HQ for firefighters over the summer. It's not the first or last time this will happen so yeah, it seemed commonplace. We have had the Piru fire nearby and thought little of it. The Valencia (Santa Clarita...whatevah) fire chokes our school by night but is clear by day...mostly. We are in no danger from the fires that exist already (we already burned...mostly).I had the news on today in class periodically to listen for road closures. Messengers were in my room all day with parent notes on whether they stay for practice or ride the bus home, go to Grammas or stay with Cindy Lou's folks. I really can see how people simply didn't know about this who are outside the region. My thoughts would have quickly focused if Bakersfield would have been chosen to host the MNF event though.

 

[bentley]

No. That's huge. But the actual news of how many homes were burnt and lives lost weren't really broadcast until most of the attendees got home and saw the late tv news. I'm not excusing it, and I'm sorry everything I'm saying it being taken so literal, but I'm just saying everything came so fast and many people really didn't understand all that was going on. Once again, I AM NOT EXCUSING ANYTHING OR JUSTIFIYING ANYTHING.It was advertised as a FREE GAME!!!

fair enough.i would just think that common sense would take over and folks would say, "Gee. They are moving the game from San Diego due to the fires. They must be really ####ing serious!"i am not gonna debate whether or not the games were advertised as free and whether or not the requests for donations were pimped. it would seem that something would tug at the basic moral fabric of your being and existence that you are going to watch a FREE game, but donations would be appreciated.maybe i am mistaken, but i dont think residents of arizona have ever been asked to chip in and give during other times of wildfires.where is the basic empathy in our countrymen?

 

[zoni]

fair enough.i would just think that common sense would take over and folks would say, "Gee.  They are moving the game from San Diego due to the fires.  They must be really ####ing serious!"i am not gonna debate whether or not the games were advertised as free and whether or not the requests for donations were pimped.  it would seem that something would tug at the basic moral fabric of your being and existence that you are going to watch a FREE game, but donations would be appreciated.maybe i am mistaken, but i dont think residents of arizona have ever been asked to chip in and give during other times of wildfires.where is the basic empathy in our countrymen?

Personally, if I were to have gone to the game, I would have tossed $10/head into the pot. Yea, there's always going to be freeloaders.I guess it's been two years now, but we had the Rodeo fire which was about 650,000 acres and charred a number of communities. There were donations given right and left for that. And last year there was a biggie down by Tucscon that took out a community. Not sure of the size and scope of that one.As far as fires being 'common', obviously they're not as common as muggings (my comparison), but what we get out here is all of these sensationalized "WILDFIRE 2003" crap from the news. We see it every night during the summers. I mean, they break out the live news teams for a 20 acre grass fire. Actually, they do that when it sprinkles here too - they just call it "STORMWATCH".I should give a disclaimer that I worked for the Forest Service as a wildland firefighter for 6 years. That was a few years ago, but perhaps that gives me a little different outlook on wildland fires - maybe this is why in my mind they are 'common'. I currently live in a community that is in a wildland/urban interface (Ponderosa Pine) and hell, we can get burned over any time. But I realize this and this iwas a calculated risk and a choice I made when I bought my property. This has nothing to do with the MNF thing, I know.Also, weren't the donations for something like the California Firefighters Fund, or something like that and not for the victims themselves? Just wondering. I just got the impression that the donations were more for the departments rather than victim releif.FFA Forum, here we come!!

 

[Grilled Cheesehead]

I can't stand these "kids will be kids" excuses. As a person who just opened my 9th Coors Light of the night, I know what it was like to be in college and value beer over everything but women. Bottom line is, even at my lowest points, there is no way I would not have given my fair share ($5-$15) to attend that game given the seriousness of the situation in California. My wife and I were going to go, and were planning on giving $10 each, but she had to work late. This whole situation is an embarrassment to the state of AZ. You can say all you like that I'm not remembering what it was like to be in college. That's BS. I was as broke and partied as hard as anyone in college, but even then I knew right from wrong. I may have had to sell plasma to do it, but I would've paid my part. Funny that they sold out of beer before half time, yet people are trying to make excuses for these ingrates.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

FFA Forum, here we come!!

We've been here for a while now.Jeeze, you really do need to pay attention to current events.

 

[Grilled Cheesehead]

No. That's huge. But the actual news of how many homes were burnt and lives lost weren't really broadcast until most of the attendees got home and saw the late tv news. I'm not excusing it, and I'm sorry everything I'm saying it being taken so literal, but I'm just saying everything came so fast and many people really didn't understand all that was going on. Once again, I AM NOT EXCUSING ANYTHING OR JUSTIFIYING ANYTHING.It was advertised as a FREE GAME!!!

And EVERYBODY knew why it was free. IMO, no decent person could attend this "free" game without donating to those whose horrible circumstances allowed it to be a "free" game. If a person has no moral values and doesn't believe in helping others, then that behavior is fine. That's just not a decent person, IMO.

 

[jwvdcw]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.  Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  ***LA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

I just don't get this logic.Some poor college kid who has never had enough money to buy an nfl ticket finally gets free admission, and he shouldn't go?Not trying to turn this into a religious thread...but do you know the types of people Jesus opposed the most?? It wasn't the people who weren't doing the right thing. It was the pharasees- the people who appeared to be doing the right thing but they always wanted everyone to know how good they were and they looked down upon those who weren't 'as moral' as they were.

 

[jwvdcw]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.  Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  ***LA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

This is the main point of this. If you couldn't afford a few bucks, don't go. Watch it on TV. So those that do take the charity aspect of the event seriously can do what they can for those in California.

No this is the main point:The nfl could've charged $10/ticket and made more money to help out.But they wanted the stadium full! THE NFL WOULD RATHER HAVE PEOPLE ATTEND AND PAY NOTHING THAN HAVE PEOPLE NOT ATTEND AT ALL. It looks better and classier for a prime time game to be sold out.

 

[bentley]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.  Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  ***LA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

I just don't get this logic.Some poor college kid who has never had enough money to buy an nfl ticket finally gets free admission, and he shouldn't go?Not trying to turn this into a religious thread...but do you know the types of people Jesus opposed the most?? It wasn't the people who weren't doing the right thing. It was the pharasees- the people who appeared to be doing the right thing but they always wanted everyone to know how good they were and they looked down upon those who weren't 'as moral' as they were.

can we stop with the nonsense. there just ARENT any poor college kids who cant even chip in 10 bucks. puhleeeeeeeeeeeease. no one is saying they shouldnt go if they are poor, they are saying that they should have pitched in. i dont even know why we are limiting this to just the poor little college kids . i doubt all 65000 were college kids anyway.can we put the 'poor 65000 college students who wear the same pair of pants to school a la pat riley and dont have a cent to spare' myth to bed please. lets put the drama queenish rhetoric to bed.

 

[jwvdcw]

When I heard there was free MNF in Phoenix I tried to get the afternoon off. I live about 2 hrs away. I was unable to get the time off. I felt like I missed a golden opportunity. FREE MNF was what was being advertised here. I never heard the word donation until I turned the game on. I think it was a great idea to get donations but here it was advertised free and it was implied it was free to fill the stands.I do a lot of charity work. I am president of a very busy charitable organization.Having said that I am cheap as hell. I prob would have donated 5$.If I could afford to go to an NFL game this deal wouldnt have seemed so cool.It was the free part that caught my ears Again I dint get to go but those are my feelings. Something shouldnt be advertised free to fill the stands and then the next day get pissed off that no one paid.

Everyone needs to read your last sentence again....so true.

 

[jwvdcw]

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

Then good for you, but apparently your parents forgot to teach you not to judge others.

 

[bentley]

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

Then good for you, but apparently your parents forgot to teach you not to judge others.

that is such a cop out and is nothing but relativism bull####. i get so sick and tired of hearing people say, "until you have walked a mile in my/their shoes" or "who are we to judge" yada yada yada. newsflash buddy, society is constructed via judgments. do you really believe this line of crap you are spewing or is it just a convenient knee jerk statement? surely, you believe that there are inherent black and white moral absolutes in this country. you may not believe this is one, but surely you believe there are some. so put the 'who are we to judge' line back on the shelf to collect dust.

 

[jwvdcw]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

 

[jwvdcw]

I can't stand these "kids will be kids" excuses. As a person who just opened my 9th Coors Light of the night, I know what it was like to be in college and value beer over everything but women. Bottom line is, even at my lowest points, there is no way I would not have given my fair share ($5-$15) to attend that game given the seriousness of the situation in California. My wife and I were going to go, and were planning on giving $10 each, but she had to work late. This whole situation is an embarrassment to the state of AZ. You can say all you like that I'm not remembering what it was like to be in college. That's BS. I was as broke and partied as hard as anyone in college, but even then I knew right from wrong. I may have had to sell plasma to do it, but I would've paid my part. Funny that they sold out of beer before half time, yet people are trying to make excuses for these ingrates.

So if a college kid should give $10, then should you give a lot more since you probably have a lot more money since you actually have a full time job.How would you like it if I condemned you for only wanting to give $10?

 

[bentley]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

 

[jwvdcw]

My parents raised me well enough that even when I was in college if I went to that game I would have given at least $10 if not more.

Then good for you, but apparently your parents forgot to teach you not to judge others.

that is such a cop out and is nothing but relativism bull####. i get so sick and tired of hearing people say, "until you have walked a mile in my/their shoes" or "who are we to judge" yada yada yada. newsflash buddy, society is constructed via judgments. do you really believe this line of crap you are spewing or is it just a convenient knee jerk statement? surely, you believe that there are inherent black and white moral absolutes in this country. you may not believe this is one, but surely you believe there are some. so put the 'who are we to judge' line back on the shelf to collect dust.

Are there moral absolutes? Aboslutely. But I"m sure you'll admit that we all break them from time to time. We're all trying to become better people but we all mess up. But theres no need to viciously attack those who have not lived up to one of your moral absolutes. Especially a moral absolute that is so questionable such as donating at a free game.As I said earlier, consider how Jesus befriended the prostitutes and tax collectors, yet was fierce enemies of the pharasees- those who tried to look as good as possible and put down those who weren't as 'moral' as they were.

 

[bentley]

i dont think this is a question of moral finger wagging and feeling like i am better than some of these clowns. it is more about expressing outrage about the lack of basic empathy and selflessness.

 

[jwvdcw]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

 

[bentley]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

i have been out of college for a whopping 3.5 years. maybe things have changed.college kids dont watch TV?college kids dont visit any major portal or news site on the net?college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs? the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

 

[jwvdcw]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

i have been out of college for a whopping 3.5 years. maybe things have changed.college kids dont watch TV?college kids dont visit any major portal or news site on the net?college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs? the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

Ok, I'm in college now. I, myself, have a decent amount of money because I'm an only child and my parents pay for my educations. But thats not the case with a lot of my friends. If I found out that there was a free football game, I would try to get tons of my friends to go, many live off $50 or less per week. There is no way that they would say to themselves, "Well, I really want to go, but I don't have money to donate, so I'm not going." No way! This is a great opportunity, and they wouldn't want to miss out while the rest of us are there enjoying ourselves.I realize that these same people who live off $50/week do spend that money on beer and food. But thats whats important to them at the moment. Here, consider this: $10 is 20% of their weekly income. If you make $52000/year, then $1000 is your weekly income. Would you be willing to donate over $200 of that? You might say its not the same, but it is! Its the exact same percentage of what you have. Think of it from that perspective!

 

[jwvdcw]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

i have been out of college for a whopping 3.5 years. maybe things have changed.college kids dont watch TV?college kids dont visit any major portal or news site on the net?college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs? the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

No. Most of us have tvs in our room, but no reception, so we just watch movies or play games.No, I never read the news online. I'm always here when I'm online :rotflmao: Most of my friends don't either.No, most of my friends do not spend $20 to get into clubs. We chip in for cheap beer and then go to the cheapest bars afterward.

 

[Legion of Doom]

college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs? the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

LOL It get's old hearing the same rhetoric.DO you really believe every college student lives this way? Trust me many a college student would love to live in your dream world. Like I said,shame on them if they dropped $20 on food and beer and gave nothing to help out,but I have no problem with someone who donated a few bucks who was left with pennies in his pocket,so he could watch a real(sorry cardinals) NFL team in action.The bottom line is what did people expect to happen at a college campus? I find it completely unrealistic to have expected many donations considering the location. Really who did they think was going to show up and is that typically the kind of crowd that donates money,hell no! It is sad for the people it affected that more money was not raised but the NFL had a very large part in the low donations.

 

[bentley]

dream world? are you saying that only a small minority of college kids are going to the clubs and drinking, going to the bars and drinking or the movies, not the masses?

 

[bentley]

One last point:I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet? lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

i have been out of college for a whopping 3.5 years. maybe things have changed.college kids dont watch TV?college kids dont visit any major portal or news site on the net?college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs? the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

Ok, I'm in college now. I, myself, have a decent amount of money because I'm an only child and my parents pay for my educations. But thats not the case with a lot of my friends.

dude, the poor students get to work in various on-campus work study programs through FAFSA and their university. they arent penniless. again, this IS NOT ETHIOPIA. i seriously doubt anyone but a literal handful is living off of 50 bucks...unless it is by choice (i.e. they arent working 20 hours a week because it would cut into their beer drinking time).you said all we need to know: "I realize that these same people who live off $50/week do spend that money on beer and food. But thats whats important to them at the moment. "its all about me me me me me. that is the problem here.

 

[Caution]

i only read page 1 of this thread, but here are my 2 cents which were probably covered:when i heard on the sunday night game that they had moved it to tempe i began scrambling my schedule to see how i could make the 3 hour drive, 3 hour football game, and 3 hour drive home on a monday night to see my beloved chargers.then the news comes out that they won't be charging, only asking for donations...i thought that is the absolute dumbest thing i have ever heard of, and i won't be wasting my time.what was the point of free tickets? i would have gladly paid a standard rate, and a slightly reduced rate would have insured a full house, but to expect college kids (rich or poor it doesn't matter) to generously donate for a fire a few hundred miles away is idiotic.i'm guessing the nfl made the decision but no matter who it was they got what they deserved and the potential for donations was drastically reduced.

 

[bagger]

One last point:

I'm willing to bet that over 50% of college kids have no idea about the fires at all.

I'm currently in college....the only reason I know about them is because of the football game being moved. Most college kids don't watch the news/read the paper.

So why should they care about something they havn't even heard of.

are you ####ing serious?did they think santa clause brought a monday night football game to town? do they not have the internet?

lmao at our beloved youth passing through the halls of higher learning and not being aware of current events in their OWN country.

You must have forgotten what its like to be in college. The majority of college kids do not get tv reception in their rooms or get a newspaper. Yes they have the internet, but they don't spend a lot of time at cnn.com.I'm in college now, and I can virtually assure you that if I asked 100 random people tomorrow, less than 50 of them would know of the fires.

i have been out of college for a whopping 3.5 years. maybe things have changed.college kids dont watch TV?

college kids dont visit any major portal or news site on the net?

college kids dont drop 8 bucks on a movie ticket anymore?

college kids dont drop a 10 spot to hear a local punk/rock band at the local night spot?

college kids dont drop a 20 for a clubs covercharge?

college kids stopped drinking beer, doing drugs or eating out? when i was in school, drugs and food cost money and even cheap beer wasnt free.

college kids gave up their trendy lattes and car payments due to rising schooling costs?

the average amount given was less than a weeks supply of condoms. if you guys want to make excuses, do me a favor and spare me the lame ### 'they are too poor' or 'money is too tight' arguments. they just wont fly.

Ok, I'm in college now. I, myself, have a decent amount of money because I'm an only child and my parents pay for my educations. But thats not the case with a lot of my friends.

dude, the poor students get to work in various on-campus work study programs through FAFSA and their university. they arent penniless. again, this IS NOT ETHIOPIA. i seriously doubt anyone but a literal handful is living off of 50 bucks...unless it is by choice (i.e. they arent working 20 hours a week because it would cut into their beer drinking time).you said all we need to know: "I realize that these same people who live off $50/week do spend that money on beer and food. But thats whats important to them at the moment. "

its all about me me me me me. that is the problem here.

how is it that in college i had plenty of money to go to bars, full priced football games, and have a social life?it's weird, because i was at bandersnatch on the friday before the game and there was a ton of college kids there. obviously they had to pay for beers. this poor college kid excuse holds absolutely no weight.

i worked in college so maybe that's the difference, but i think the people who are making this argument are trying to derail the true argument. as ***la said, not all of these assclowns are college students. what's their excuse?

there is no excuse for what happened on monday, especially when beer was sold out by the 2nd quarter.

people took advantage of the situation and everyone who's trying to make excuses somewhere had their morale compass skewed.

i live in scottsdale. i know what was on the news. and it was implied that a donation should be given. i'm here, i know what's going on. this BS spin you people are trying to put on this is pathetic.

 

[bagger]

i only read page 1 of this thread, but here are my 2 cents which were probably covered:when i heard on the sunday night game that they had moved it to tempe i began scrambling my schedule to see how i could make the 3 hour drive, 3 hour football game, and 3 hour drive home on a monday night to see my beloved chargers.then the news comes out that they won't be charging, only asking for donations...i thought that is the absolute dumbest thing i have ever heard of, and i won't be wasting my time.what was the point of free tickets? i would have gladly paid a standard rate, and a slightly reduced rate would have insured a full house, but to expect college kids (rich or poor it doesn't matter) to generously donate for a fire a few hundred miles away is idiotic.i'm guessing the nfl made the decision but no matter who it was they got what they deserved and the potential for donations was drastically reduced.

i agree that the nfl messed up by not charging a nominal fee. giving away free tickets brings out the lowlifes.obviously.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.  Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  ***LA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

The point is this, I'm guessing you give nothing to charity. You aren't a poor college student now, but have you given to the fund for the fire victems? No.So, don't take some holier than thou mentality that you would've been a better person and given to the cause when you don't give anything now and you (I'm just guessing here) probably have the means to do so....Don't tell me what you "would've" done and chastise those who didn't do what you "would've" done, when you don't do anything now. The difference is this: They are poor college students without the means to give. You are not in college anymore and have the means to give but don't. What that means, is that technically, you are worse than they are. You can but don't, they can't. That and you scorn them for not giving....hypocracy is a terrible thing....Do me a favor and right a check to the red cross and drop it in the mail today, it will make you feel a lot better....Now it's time for you to come up with a laundry lists of charities you give to....Come on show us that list....

 

[bagger]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended. 

Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.

Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?

EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.

Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  ***LA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.

BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?

As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.

Period.

The point is this, I'm guessing you give nothing to charity. You aren't a poor college student now, but have you given to the fund for the fire victems? No.So, don't take some holier than thou mentality that you would've been a better person and given to the cause when you don't give anything now and you (I'm just guessing here) probably have the means to do so....Don't tell me what you "would've" done and chastise those who didn't do what you "would've" done, when you don't do anything now. The difference is this: They are poor college students without the means to give. You are not in college anymore and have the means to give but don't. What that means, is that technically, you are worse than they are. You can but don't, they can't. That and you scorn them for not giving....hypocracy is a terrible thing....Do me a favor and right a check to the red cross and drop it in the mail today, it will make you feel a lot better....

Now it's time for you to come up with a laundry lists of charities you give to....Come on show us that list....

again, this is a red herring. this is not about how much people give in general. this is about an implied agreement between the nfl and fans that if you choose to come to the MNF game, you should give a donation, whatever you can afford.i'm assuming about 50k chose not to give anything and use that money on themselves for beer. nobody made these people go if they couldn't afford to give.

you keep on going back to the "poor college" student argument when that's already been shown to carry no weight. is that all you got to bring to the table here? because if so, you have no legs to stand on.

btw, over the years i've donated money and time to united way, habitat for humanity, and various food banks. but that's not the point of this argument. nice try though. keep on trying to deflect the debate away from the true issues, as that's the only way anyone will even remotely take you seriously.

 

[bentley]

So, don't take some holier than thou mentality that you would've been a better person and given to the cause when you don't give anything now and you (I'm just guessing here) probably have the means to do so....Don't tell me what you "would've" done and chastise those who didn't do what you "would've" done, when you don't do anything now. You are not in college anymore and have the means to give but don't. What that means, is that technically, you are worse than they are. You can but don't, they can't. That and you scorn them for not giving....hypocracy is a terrible thing....Do me a favor and right a check to the red cross and drop it in the mail today, it will make you feel a lot better....

The difference is this: They are poor college students without the means to give.

STOP STOP STOP. PLEASE...for the love of all that is holy. PLEASE STOP SUGGESTING THAT THESE KIDS ARE SO POOR THAT THEY DONT HAVE A DIME TO THEIR NAME. there is absolutely no factual evidence to support this assinine statement when we all know that many of these jokers are at the bars, at clubs, movies, etc. STOP!!! It just wont fly.I would prefer if you just said that they are selfish bastards and went about your business. This isnt a holier than thou finger wagging situation. There is no comparision or validity to your asking what sandbagger or anyone else has given to charity. We are talking about an event that came about due to the tragedy others were facing and where a free admittance was given with the request that donations be handed out in lieu.No one is arguing that these kids should have voluntarily given money to this cause had there not been a football game. Just simply that they enjoyed an event that came at the expense of others. They enjoyed an activity just like they partake in other activities every other week. Yet, somehow there was only an average of three bucks chipped in and alcohol sold out by halftime.

 

[Mr Dingles]

Seems to me that most of us here have forgotten what it was like to be in college. I'm not arguing that college students are poor because a lot of them probably have more money that I do. My point is that college students are immature and selfish. Really, what is college about? Growing up. You do more growing up in college than any other time in your life, but when you're still in college, you're immature and selfish. College students are not held to the standards that 'adults' are held to and if you think that they are you're kidding yourself. I'm not saying it's right, but this should come as no surprise to anyone that the college students that did attend the game didn't give a donation and proceeded to blow all their money on beer. And, I'm willing to bet that most of you that are criticizing them would have done (or did do on some level) the same damn thing when you were in college. If you didn't, then you were more mature than 98% of college students in this country.

 

[Mordred]

These college kids aren't pieces of human excrement: they're kids. Did they have the money to contribute? The #'s say yes. The average household income of a student at ASU is by no means below the poverty line (look it up). Not only do they have money to blow, but they have SO much money to blow that they've developed an international reputation as one of the most hedonistic party schools on the planet. You don't develop that reputation by turning aluminum cans into the recycling center.The thing is, this reputation existed BEFORE this NFL masterminded plan. For years and years, people have known: 1) that the average ASU student can and will spend a lot of his disposable income on having a good time relative to that amount he dishes out for charity; 2) that college kids in general can't be relied on to do the stand-up thing when a free good time is at hand.This is the fault of whoever organized the plan, not the kids. You don't put an arsonist in charge of the fireworks display, and then blame HIM when things go awry. This was a bad plan from the get-go, as the NFL was more worried about filling stands than helping the fire victims, and it's unjust that now the kids and community are shouldering the blame rather than the NFL braintrust.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Where why and when did $10 become the magic number? I think that's pretty cheap myself, but whatever. As for these people at the game, what difference does it make if they paid or not? There was going to be a game there, it was going to be free, and it wasn't sold out so it's not like people ready willing and able to donate didn't do it. Furthermore, the game was 6pm local time in AZ. The switch occured late Sunday, and lets say the average colliegian gets up at 10 am(and that's being generous at ASU). It was probably a very spur of the moment decision, and I"m sure the donation details weren't appropriately dissimated. And in any event, lets review the collection procedures. It sounds like people are just dumping cash into buckets. Now if that's the extent of the procedure, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but human nature would tell you that SOME money was bound to be skimmed off the top of that. There was no money drawer to balance, it was free cash to the collectors. Think about it. And finally, the ulitimate sour grapes, and I agree more should have probably found it's way to the coffiers, but I"m not going to get my panties in a bunch judging people. But honestly, if they took in this magical $10 bucks a head, that would be $700 thousand. What the hell good is that going to do in the grand scheme of the billions in damage we are talking about. %75 percent of chartable funds are gobbled up in admistrative distribution anyway. I know something is always better than nothing, but we are talking about one house on lake Arrowhead here when things are said and done. And what about insurance for these properites in Cali? I know my shorehouse has hurricane and flood insurance(not included in the homeowners policy), it's part of living in nature, to be prepared for what hits you. I have nothing but sympathy for those folks in Cali, it looks like hell on earth, and I pray for rain everyday. But at the same time, it's not like the ASU student body set these fires, which it sounds like by the tone and tenor of these posts.

 

[glumpy]

This is the fault of whoever organized the plan, not the kids....(It) was a bad plan from the get-go, as the NFL was more worried about filling stands than helping the fire victims, and it's unjust that now the kids and community are shouldering the blame rather than the NFL braintrust.

This bears repeating.And I'd bet nobody told those attending the game what a "proper" donation was considered to be...

 

[bagger]

Seems to me that most of us here have forgotten what it was like to be in college. I'm not arguing that college students are poor because a lot of them probably have more money that I do. My point is that college students are immature and selfish. Really, what is college about? Growing up. You do more growing up in college than any other time in your life, but when you're still in college, you're immature and selfish. College students are not held to the standards that 'adults' are held to and if you think that they are you're kidding yourself. I'm not saying it's right, but this should come as no surprise to anyone that the college students that did attend the game didn't give a donation and proceeded to blow all their money on beer. And, I'm willing to bet that most of you that are criticizing them would have done (or did do on some level) the same damn thing when you were in college. If you didn't, then you were more mature than 98% of college students in this country.

when i was in college i was held to the standards that adults were, because at 18 you're an adult.maybe like you said i was more mature than 98% of college students in the country. but i don't think so. me and my friends would have all donated because it was the right thing to do. maybe that says something about the college i went to and the people it accepted.

regarding mordred's post, i do agree that the nfl screwed up by making it a free game, as that brings out the lowlifes. however, with that said, that still does not give those people a free pass to do what they did.

glumpy: who cares what a "proper" donation is? approximately 50k people gave nothing. we can all agree (i think) that's not proper. i would have no issue with college students giving $5 if that's all they could afford (which i don't buy) but at least that's something.

if all the college and poor people at the game gave $5 and the others gave what they did, you'd be at at least the $600k mark i'm betting as many people gave $20 or more.