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[blend]

I'm sorry, but wasn't this a FREE game with OPTIONAL donation? I truly feel for the people in California and if I went to the game, I would have donated my share. But if they're going to advertise the game as free to a bunch of college students, why are they surprised when most of them don't pay? I like the suggestion of $10 per ticket. Still a hell of a deal yet still a hell of a lot more than they raised otherwise. Oh well, too late now...

Not sure about other areas, but around here (Tempe) each weekend there are local high school students offerign a "Free" Car wash for the Band club or whatever. Everyone knows that they are expecting a donation. THe people who didn't give for MNF are probably the same people who think they can get their car washed for free. Everyone knows that you have to give a donation for whatever group is having the Car Wash Fundraiser. I doubt people take advantage of that situation like they did with the MNF situation.I think it's pathetic. EVERYONE knew they were expecting donations. Giving nothing is so weak.

 

[TheFanatic]

Seems to me that most of us here have forgotten what it was like to be in college. I'm not arguing that college students are poor because a lot of them probably have more money that I do. My point is that college students are immature and selfish. Really, what is college about? Growing up. You do more growing up in college than any other time in your life, but when you're still in college, you're immature and selfish. College students are not held to the standards that 'adults' are held to and if you think that they are you're kidding yourself. I'm not saying it's right, but this should come as no surprise to anyone that the college students that did attend the game didn't give a donation and proceeded to blow all their money on beer. And, I'm willing to bet that most of you that are criticizing them would have done (or did do on some level) the same damn thing when you were in college. If you didn't, then you were more mature than 98% of college students in this country.

Amen Brother....I do remember college very distinctly, hell, it was the best 7 years of my life!!!After spending all week being bombarded with way too much information, I scraped whatever money I had together to go blow off a little steam. I'm not ashamed to say that I would probably have not given anything. I was too worried about how I was going to pull two straight all-nighters during finals and taking a break from a reality to think about wild fires in another state.....For those of you up on your soap box preaching about what you "would've" done is a load of crap because you either had much more means at your disposal during college than those of us that didn't have much or are flat out looking back on your college days with some rose colored glasses and painting yourselves as some sort of bastions of compassion....And my point about what charities do the posters in here give to is valid. Unless you regularly give, to chastise someone for not giving is hypocracy at it's finest, no matter what the circumstances surrounding the opportinuty to give. Sure their opportunity to give for those at the game was gift wrapped and put into their laps, but so is this: Donate to the American Red Cross Either backup what you say with a donation or find another thread....So keep preaching fellas...

 

[Mr Dingles]

Not sure about other areas, but around here (Tempe) each weekend there are local high school students offerign a "Free" Car wash for the Band club or whatever. Everyone knows that they are expecting a donation. THe people who didn't give for MNF are probably the same people who think they can get their car washed for free. Everyone knows that you have to give a donation for whatever group is having the Car Wash Fundraiser. I doubt people take advantage of that situation like they did with the MNF situation.I think it's pathetic. EVERYONE knew they were expecting donations. Giving nothing is so weak.

I'm not saying what happened was right and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have donated. Like I said, had I gone I would have given something. But, if you're going to advertise something as free, you have no right to ##### when people don't pay anything.

 

[Grilled Cheesehead]

I can't stand these "kids will be kids" excuses. As a person who just opened my 9th Coors Light of the night, I know what it was like to be in college and value beer over everything but women. Bottom line is, even at my lowest points, there is no way I would not have given my fair share ($5-$15) to attend that game given the seriousness of the situation in California. My wife and I were going to go, and were planning on giving $10 each, but she had to work late. This whole situation is an embarrassment to the state of AZ. You can say all you like that I'm not remembering what it was like to be in college. That's BS. I was as broke and partied as hard as anyone in college, but even then I knew right from wrong. I may have had to sell plasma to do it, but I would've paid my part. Funny that they sold out of beer before half time, yet people are trying to make excuses for these ingrates.

So if a college kid should give $10, then should you give a lot more since you probably have a lot more money since you actually have a full time job.How would you like it if I condemned you for only wanting to give $10?

Whatever. I, like most people, never had more money with less to spend it on than when I was in college.

 

[bentley]

as a side note, i encourage all of you to call the insurance company that insures your home and ask them what kind of coverage you get when there is a mass disaster. my understanding is that there are quite a few insurance companies with weasel clauses stating that major disasters like the fires in california arent completely covered.

 

[Legion of Doom]

dream world? are you saying that only a small minority of college kids are going to the clubs and drinking, going to the bars and drinking or the movies, not the masses?

No I'm saying the truth is somewhere in between.You state it like a fact and it's not!

 

[jwvdcw]

I can't stand these "kids will be kids" excuses. As a person who just opened my 9th Coors Light of the night, I know what it was like to be in college and value beer over everything but women. Bottom line is, even at my lowest points, there is no way I would not have given my fair share ($5-$15) to attend that game given the seriousness of the situation in California. My wife and I were going to go, and were planning on giving $10 each, but she had to work late. This whole situation is an embarrassment to the state of AZ. You can say all you like that I'm not remembering what it was like to be in college. That's BS. I was as broke and partied as hard as anyone in college, but even then I knew right from wrong. I may have had to sell plasma to do it, but I would've paid my part. Funny that they sold out of beer before half time, yet people are trying to make excuses for these ingrates.

So if a college kid should give $10, then should you give a lot more since you probably have a lot more money since you actually have a full time job.How would you like it if I condemned you for only wanting to give $10?

Whatever. I, like most people, never had more money with less to spend it on than when I was in college.

Are you kidding me?? I have several friends who are still in debt due to all of the student loans they had to take out!Nothing to spend it on?? What, was college free for you? Not everyone gets scholarship you know.

 

[bentley]

I can't stand these "kids will be kids" excuses. As a person who just opened my 9th Coors Light of the night, I know what it was like to be in college and value beer over everything but women. Bottom line is, even at my lowest points, there is no way I would not have given my fair share ($5-$15) to attend that game given the seriousness of the situation in California. My wife and I were going to go, and were planning on giving $10 each, but she had to work late. This whole situation is an embarrassment to the state of AZ. You can say all you like that I'm not remembering what it was like to be in college. That's BS. I was as broke and partied as hard as anyone in college, but even then I knew right from wrong. I may have had to sell plasma to do it, but I would've paid my part. Funny that they sold out of beer before half time, yet people are trying to make excuses for these ingrates.

So if a college kid should give $10, then should you give a lot more since you probably have a lot more money since you actually have a full time job.How would you like it if I condemned you for only wanting to give $10?

Whatever. I, like most people, never had more money with less to spend it on than when I was in college.

Are you kidding me?? I have several friends who are still in debt due to all of the student loans they had to take out!Nothing to spend it on?? What, was college free for you? Not everyone gets scholarship you know.

not that this applies to all college kids, but there is a difference between paying for your schooling and living beyond your means via plastic.

 

[FinHead]

When I was in college, if I had heard about a free MNF game on campus, I would have been more worried about getting in line and getting tickets and making sure I had enough money for beer and food. I personally didn't even hear about the fires until they announced that they were moving the game. If I was in college, I know I wouldn't have heard about the fires since I never watched any kind of news in college.I've always been a decent moral person and have donated some time and money to some charities since college, but I don't know a lot of people that even do that much. Sorry, but I didn't have the inclination and didn't have any friends in college that would sacrifice beer money for a charity.The game was advertised as being free b/c the NFL wanted to have a full stadium for MNF. A $10 ticket would have been better, but I'll bet you would have only had about 1/3 of the crowd. Don't blame the freeloaders... I didn't hear the concession businesses offering to give their profits to help. I'm sure a lot more money could have been raised by them donating the $4 profit from that $6 Coke they're selling.I feel really bad for the people in SoCal, but how many of them donated to the Oaklahoma City victims, the 9/11 victims, the Hurricane Andrew victims, etc... When there is an advertised charity event, people will give money to attend. This was moved b/c the NFL wanted a full stadium, not specifically to help with the charity.

 

[bagger]

I feel really bad for the people in SoCal, but how many of them donated to the Oaklahoma City victims, the 9/11 victims, the Hurricane Andrew victims, etc... When there is an advertised charity event, people will give money to attend. This was moved b/c the NFL wanted a full stadium, not specifically to help with the charity.

you've got to be kidding me.

THE POINT IS NOT DONATING MONEY IN GENERAL.

THE POINT IS THERE WAS AN IMPLICIT AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THE NFL THAT IF YOU WENT TO THE GAME, YOU WERE AGREEING TO GIVE A DONATION. IF YOU COULD NOT AFFORD A $5 DONATION AT A MINIMUM, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?

i swear to god you people are ######ed.

 

[TheFanatic]

you've got to be kidding me.

THE POINT IS NOT DONATING MONEY IN GENERAL.

THE POINT IS THERE WAS AN IMPLICIT AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THE NFL THAT IF YOU WENT TO THE GAME, YOU WERE AGREEING TO GIVE A DONATION. IF YOU COULD NOT AFFORD A $5 DONATION AT A MINIMUM, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?

i swear to god you people are ######ed.

Free does not = implicit agreement.....Did they print that implicit agreement on the back of the tickets? If so I would love to see that....

 

[bagger]

:rotflmao: if they printed that on the tickets it would be an explicit agreement.

 

[FinHead]

$5 is the universally known amount to give to charities??? Damn, I must have missed that class in school.So if I'm walking through the grocery store and I take a FREE sample of something and I like it, then does that mean that I'm socially obligated to go and buy that product?THEY ASKED FOR DONATIONS... If they EXPECTED money, then they should have charged for the ticket. The majority of people are pretty good natured and willing to help for a good cause... but if you advertise something for free, then what do you expect?

 

[bagger]

$5 is the universally known amount to give to charities??? Damn, I must have missed that class in school.

So if I'm walking through the grocery store and I take a FREE sample of something and I like it, then does that mean that I'm socially obligated to go and buy that product?

THEY ASKED FOR DONATIONS... If they EXPECTED money, then they should have charged for the ticket. The majority of people are pretty good natured and willing to help for a good cause... but if you advertise something for free, then what do you expect?

let me try to spell it out one last time:

the nfl wanted a full stadium, thus the "free" ticket price.

however, when all media outlets said that they were taking donations for coming to the game that was when these cheap asses should have made the decision to go or not if they could part with some money.

great grocery store example. i'm sure the people in socal will love the fact that you're comparing their loss of homes to a free sample of deli meat at a grocery store.

i don't know why i didn't think of that analogy. the two are so close.

 

[Colt Apologist]

The reason you have people from AZ (myself included) being defensive about this is that you guys are WAAAAAAY overgeneralizing. 80% of the posts here have basically implied that people from AZ are cheap beause of the meager 200K. Every one of those posts should read "the people that went to the game" are cheap. I've heard estimates that over 5,000 of the people there came in from SD to see the game that they were already supposed to attend. They would also be thrown into the cheap category. Call it an excuse or whatever you want to call it, but the people you get at ANY FREE event that normally costs over $50 a ticket is going to bring out predominantly less fortunate group of people. Sandbagger - you're crazy with this implicit agreement crap.If you are a poor family (which Phoenix has at least it's share) and you suddenly have the opportunity to take your family of 6 to an NFL game that you would never be able to otherwise - you'd do it. Maybe you would even throw in a $20 which would be just over the average of what was given. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, you're not going to donate $100. If I was only making 20K a year and couldn't afford to give my kids much of anything then this opportunity comes along - I'd be there in a heartbeat.You guys are smoking something if you think any more than 10%-15% of the crowd were from "well-off" financial situations.

 

[BoneYardDog]

I wonder how many of these heartless pinheads on this thread also use this site free and have not ponied up the money to support the site...I bet there is a direct correlation between paying members here and whether or not they would have put money towards the charity...Probably the same kind of person that given incorrect change during a retail purchase, would keep the money...I have one kid in college and one in high school and pretty much all they think about is themselves and no they did not get that from mom and dad...It is a whole generational mode of thinking, I seriously think it has something to do with growing up in the 90's and all that implies. You can connect the dots yourself...

 

[Colt Apologist]

My last point on this is that you can bet your ### that it would have been the same result at any NFL city.

 

[bagger]

The reason you have people from AZ (myself included) being defensive about this is that you guys are WAAAAAAY overgeneralizing. 80% of the posts here have basically implied that people from AZ are cheap beause of the meager 200K. Every one of those posts should read "the people that went to the game" are cheap. I've heard estimates that over 5,000 of the people there came in from SD to see the game that they were already supposed to attend. They would also be thrown into the cheap category. Call it an excuse or whatever you want to call it, but the people you get at ANY FREE event that normally costs over $50 a ticket is going to bring out predominantly less fortunate group of people. Sandbagger - you're crazy with this implicit agreement crap.If you are a poor family (which Phoenix has at least it's share) and you suddenly have the opportunity to take your family of 6 to an NFL game that you would never be able to otherwise - you'd do it. Maybe you would even throw in a $20 which would be just over the average of what was given. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, you're not going to donate $100. If I was only making 20K a year and couldn't afford to give my kids much of anything then this opportunity comes along - I'd be there in a heartbeat.You guys are smoking something if you think any more than 10%-15% of the crowd were from "well-off" financial situations.

i can understand that, and i live in az (and from socal) so maybe that's one reason why i'm so offended. one, it makes everyone out here look bad. two, i'm from socal and know the devastation that's going on.if a poor family of 6 went to the game. great. but donate at least $20 for the entire family. even this small donation averages out to more than what was raised.a poor family of 6 that went to the game and gave nothing took advantage of the situation. and that's wrong. they didn't have to give $100, but $20 would at least be something.bottom line, too many people gave nothing and blew it on hot dogs and booze. that is embarrassing.

 

[bagger]

My last point on this is that you can bet your ### that it would have been the same result at any NFL city.

i agree. and that would be just as wrong.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Did anyone actually go to the game? How were donations collected? Were they easy to spot or just working their way through the crowd? I mean, how do we know more wasn't collected but the occasional collector MAY have had sticky fingers? Not accusing, just trying to think along with human nature.

 

[bagger]

Did anyone actually go to the game? How were donations collected? Were they easy to spot or just working their way through the crowd? I mean, how do we know more wasn't collected but the occasional collector MAY have had sticky fingers? Not accusing, just trying to think along with human nature.

I didn't go to the game since it was such a madhouse with fights over parking lots (and fights inside since people wouldn't move out of seats that weren't theirs).But, they collected the money via all of the Cardinals cheerleaders and some Carindals players who held buckets out just after the turnstyles.From what I've heard there was enough cushion that people could just stroll by them in the crowd without having to make it feel like peer pressure to give. I think many people took this route.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Hmm, strange....I can't seem to find ANY definition of the word "donation" that includes the words "expected", "required", etc, as implied by many of the posts here."Would you care to donate to our cause?" DOES NOT EQUAL "Give us money!" I chose to donate (although if the whining continues I may ask for a refund). Others didn't. That's their choice. Deal with it, folks.(a couple of corrections, if the earlier posters are still around - gametime was 7pm local; yes there was a friggin' long line which stretched around A-mountain for some reason, but other gates were walk-right-in)

 

[bagger]

Regarding sticky fingers, I would not be shocked if some was skimmed out as the news showed people dumping the buckets out in this room to be organized and counted.But worse case scenario $20k gets stolen? It's not like they raised $500k and turned up $200k.It would be naive to think that some money wasn't stolen, but not significant enough to really matter or impact the $ average.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Did anyone actually go to the game? How were donations collected? Were they easy to spot or just working their way through the crowd? I mean, how do we know more wasn't collected but the occasional collector MAY have had sticky fingers? Not accusing, just trying to think along with human nature.

1) walk through security; "please lift your cap so we can make sure there's no nukes."2) proceed to ticket-taker who will give you a ticket, then take it.3) 10-15ft beyond ticket-takers were the cheerleaders with buckets, spaced 4-5ft apart across the entrance.4) proceed into the stadium and find your seat.

 

[Legion of Doom]

IF YOU COULD NOT AFFORD A $5 DONATION AT A MINIMUM, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE.

if a poor family of 6 went to the game. great. but donate at least $20 for the entire family. even this small donation averages out to more than what was raised.

I'm glad your seeing the light! The important thing was you give what you can,not how much you give.Shame on those who did not donate at all or donated a minimal amount,yet spent lavishly on concessions

 

[RoarinSonoran]

if a poor family of 6 went to the game. great. but donate at least $20 for the entire family. even this small donation averages out to more than what was raised.a poor family of 6 that went to the game and gave nothing took advantage of the situation. and that's wrong. they didn't have to give $100, but $20 would at least be something.

family of 6, divided into 66,000 = 11,000 families of 6 in attendance$20 per family times 11,000 families = $220,000Hmm, what was the total amount collected again?Hey, the math works for me.

 

[glumpy]

you've got to be kidding me.

THE POINT IS NOT DONATING MONEY IN GENERAL.

THE POINT IS THERE WAS AN IMPLICIT AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THE NFL THAT IF YOU WENT TO THE GAME, YOU WERE AGREEING TO GIVE A DONATION. IF YOU COULD NOT AFFORD A $5 DONATION AT A MINIMUM, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?

i swear to god you people are ######ed.

Ya know--I'd not figured on arguing this point anymore--but find it really offensive that you think you can just SHOUT ME DOWN because I (and others) may happen to disagree with your unbridled righteousness!!! What I don't accept is those who would disparage the crowd because they didn't happen to meet your idealized expectations. That's exactly my objection to the news article saying they're an embarrassment, and kudos to SD for simply saying "Thank You"

A couple definitions:

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

donation

n 1: a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause

Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

voluntary

2. Unconstrained by the interference of another; unimpelled by the influence of another; not prompted or persuaded by another; done of his or its own accord; spontaneous; acting of one's self, or of itself; free.

Frankly I don't care if it was "implicit" or not--that's called "bribery" or something else more defamatory. I also don't know where the idea that it was an implicit agreement between anyone and the NFL--where did that come from? The NFL is in the business to make money. So too are the TV networks. So too is the stadium. They were trying to make the best of a bad situation, and had to get fans in the seats at a moments notice for their biggest moneymaking game of the week. It was a pittance to offer the seats for free--when as some here have already said, the profit margin on those refreshments is obscene. They very likely had no time to even print out tickets for the benefit of California so this idea of any "agreement" implicit or otherwise is tremendously unjustified.Much more likely is that someone somewhere after the game was announced said something along the lines of: "Gee--wouldn't it be appropriate if we passed around a hat for the people in Southern California?" and it (correctly) snowballed from there and became a theme for the party. Those who really played up the theme (read TV, Advertisers, and the NFL) very likely not only didn't donate to that hat--but also made something of a profit. AND--a tax writeoff.

I think "thank you" is the ONLY appropriate response--whether it meets with your approval or not.

Oh and--pardon me--but I don't want to hear that even once more so I'll be toning down the volume of your quote which I cited...

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Regarding sticky fingers, I would not be shocked if some was skimmed out as the news showed people dumping the buckets out in this room to be organized and counted.But worse case scenario $20k gets stolen? It's not like they raised $500k and turned up $200k.It would be naive to think that some money wasn't stolen, but not significant enough to really matter or impact the $ average.

It'd be naive to think OTHERWISE. Who is collecting this money? I'm sure the Cards players and Cheerleaders were all about the photo op, but I doubt they were hanging out for 4 hours in the heat after a game sunday. If there is ZERO accountabilty, ZERO validation or record keeping going on of each transaction, and the average guy collects lets say $10,000, there is nothing to stop him from keeping 5 or 6 thousand. Again, I"m not accusing. But I am definately somethings not right here on some level. The average employee of a football team works 10 days a year, maybe 20 if they get other opportunties in the stadium for the Sun Devils.. A nice job to have, but also probably very transient work, and when the chance is there to make off with a big kittie, I think at least one person had to do it. And where there's one, there may be more. Maybe $400,000 was collected, maybe more, we just don't know. And I'd hate to think of it going on, and I"m not saying it was, but I also don't think people would have been THAT cheap.

 

[bentley]

if a poor family of 6 went to the game. great. but donate at least $20 for the entire family. even this small donation averages out to more than what was raised.a poor family of 6 that went to the game and gave nothing took advantage of the situation. and that's wrong. they didn't have to give $100, but $20 would at least be something.

family of 6, divided into 66,000 = 11,000 families of 6 in attendance$20 per family times 11,000 families = $220,000Hmm, what was the total amount collected again?Hey, the math works for me.

so now it aint college kids?

 

[bagger]

Hmm, strange....I can't seem to find ANY definition of the word "donation" that includes the words "expected", "required", etc, as implied by many of the posts here."Would you care to donate to our cause?" DOES NOT EQUAL "Give us money!" I chose to donate (although if the whining continues I may ask for a refund). Others didn't. That's their choice. Deal with it, folks.(a couple of corrections, if the earlier posters are still around - gametime was 7pm local; yes there was a friggin' long line which stretched around A-mountain for some reason, but other gates were walk-right-in)

There's nothing for us to "deal with" other than to point out this behavior is wrong.These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go. It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).It's unbelievable that so many here have no problem with this. This selfish attitude of "what have these people done for us" is sick.

 

[bentley]

ok ill say it. thanks AZ. even though it averages out to less than the price of a number 1 meal at McDonalds....

THANKS!!!

in all seriousness, maybe they just had a bunch of illegal aliens families there who really couldnt afford to give any money. :rotflmao:

 

[bagger]

Regarding sticky fingers, I would not be shocked if some was skimmed out as the news showed people dumping the buckets out in this room to be organized and counted.But worse case scenario $20k gets stolen? It's not like they raised $500k and turned up $200k.It would be naive to think that some money wasn't stolen, but not significant enough to really matter or impact the $ average.

It'd be naive to think OTHERWISE. Who is collecting this money? I'm sure the Cards players and Cheerleaders were all about the photo op, but I doubt they were hanging out for 4 hours in the heat after a game sunday. If there is ZERO accountabilty, ZERO validation or record keeping going on of each transaction, and the average guy collects lets say $10,000, there is nothing to stop him from keeping 5 or 6 thousand. Again, I"m not accusing. But I am definately somethings not right here on some level. The average employee of a football team works 10 days a year, maybe 20 if they get other opportunties in the stadium for the Sun Devils.. A nice job to have, but also probably very transient work, and when the chance is there to make off with a big kittie, I think at least one person had to do it. And where there's one, there may be more. Maybe $400,000 was collected, maybe more, we just don't know. And I'd hate to think of it going on, and I"m not saying it was, but I also don't think people would have been THAT cheap.

this has been mentioned in hushed tones around town but i couldn't see more than 10% being skimmed off the top, which is sickening as well.there's no way that 50% could have been pilfered though.

 

[bagger]

ok ill say it. thanks AZ. even though it averages out to less than the price of a number 1 meal at McDonalds....

THANKS!!!

in all seriousness, maybe they just had a bunch of illegal aliens families there who really couldnt afford to give any money. :rotflmao:

uh oh...:southphoenix:

 

[FinHead]

$5 is the universally known amount to give to charities??? Damn, I must have missed that class in school.

So if I'm walking through the grocery store and I take a FREE sample of something and I like it, then does that mean that I'm socially obligated to go and buy that product?

THEY ASKED FOR DONATIONS... If they EXPECTED money, then they should have charged for the ticket. The majority of people are pretty good natured and willing to help for a good cause... but if you advertise something for free, then what do you expect?

let me try to spell it out one last time:

the nfl wanted a full stadium, thus the "free" ticket price.

however, when all media outlets said that they were taking donations for coming to the game that was when these cheap asses should have made the decision to go or not if they could part with some money.

great grocery store example. i'm sure the people in socal will love the fact that you're comparing their loss of homes to a free sample of deli meat at a grocery store.

i don't know why i didn't think of that analogy. the two are so close.

If you give me a FREE sample (whatever it may be) and then EXPECT me to give you a donation, then I would be pissed. If you charge a nominal fee and say it's for a good cause, then I would be more than happy to pay. I agree with the previous post that when you take money that way, I'm not surprised if someone is skimming something off the top somewhere along the line.All the media outlets??? I don't live in that area, but in the 24hrs that I heard about the free game, I heard 1 reference to a donation.

I wouldn't expect a large crowd made up of drunk college students at a free NFL game to throw cash into a bucket, BUT... I would expect the concession stand companies to offer their profits as donations. I don't hear anyone complaining about the hundreds of thousands of dollars those companies made from this game.

 

[bagger]

if a poor family of 6 went to the game.  great.  but donate at least $20 for the entire family.  even this small donation averages out to more than what was raised.a poor family of 6 that went to the game and gave nothing took advantage of the situation.  and that's wrong.  they didn't have to give $100, but $20 would at least be something.

family of 6, divided into 66,000 = 11,000 families of 6 in attendance$20 per family times 11,000 families = $220,000Hmm, what was the total amount collected again?Hey, the math works for me.

so now it aint college kids?

hey ***la, it's whatever argument fits the mold at the time since there is no solid ground to stand on.it's the age-old USC football moving target argument we've come to learn and love so well.

 

[bentley]

Regarding sticky fingers, I would not be shocked if some was skimmed out as the news showed people dumping the buckets out in this room to be organized and counted.But worse case scenario $20k gets stolen?  It's not like they raised $500k and turned up $200k.It would be naive to think that some money wasn't stolen, but not significant enough to really matter or impact the $ average.

It'd be naive to think OTHERWISE. Who is collecting this money? I'm sure the Cards players and Cheerleaders were all about the photo op, but I doubt they were hanging out for 4 hours in the heat after a game sunday. If there is ZERO accountabilty, ZERO validation or record keeping going on of each transaction, and the average guy collects lets say $10,000, there is nothing to stop him from keeping 5 or 6 thousand. Again, I"m not accusing. But I am definately somethings not right here on some level. The average employee of a football team works 10 days a year, maybe 20 if they get other opportunties in the stadium for the Sun Devils.. A nice job to have, but also probably very transient work, and when the chance is there to make off with a big kittie, I think at least one person had to do it. And where there's one, there may be more. Maybe $400,000 was collected, maybe more, we just don't know. And I'd hate to think of it going on, and I"m not saying it was, but I also don't think people would have been THAT cheap.

this has been mentioned in hushed tones around town but i couldn't see more than 10% being skimmed off the top, which is sickening as well.there's no way that 50% could have been pilfered though.

especially when you consider that most of it was probably quarters. 200K in change is heavy.i particularly like the nice comedic flare by those in AZ. those fake $200 bills, mexican pesos, and sonic burger coupons for a free coke were real classy. :rotflmao:

 

[Grilled Cheesehead]

Do we get a 2nd chance? XTRA 910 is reporting that the Chargers are considering Phoenix and San Fran as possible sites for their Nov. 9th home game, if necessary.

 

[bagger]

$5 is the universally known amount to give to charities???  Damn, I must have missed that class in school.

So if I'm walking through the grocery store and I take a FREE sample of something and I like it, then does that mean that I'm socially obligated to go and buy that product?

THEY ASKED FOR DONATIONS... If they EXPECTED money, then they should have charged for the ticket.  The majority of people are pretty good natured and willing to help for a good cause... but if you advertise something for free, then what do you expect?

let me try to spell it out one last time:

the nfl wanted a full stadium, thus the "free" ticket price.

however, when all media outlets said that they were taking donations for coming to the game that was when these cheap asses should have made the decision to go or not if they could part with some money.

great grocery store example. i'm sure the people in socal will love the fact that you're comparing their loss of homes to a free sample of deli meat at a grocery store.

i don't know why i didn't think of that analogy. the two are so close.

If you give me a FREE sample (whatever it may be) and then EXPECT me to give you a donation, then I would be pissed. If you charge a nominal fee and say it's for a good cause, then I would be more than happy to pay. I agree with the previous post that when you take money that way, I'm not surprised if someone is skimming something off the top somewhere along the line.All the media outlets??? I don't live in that area, but in the 24hrs that I heard about the free game, I heard 1 reference to a donation.

I wouldn't expect a large crowd made up of drunk college students at a free NFL game to throw cash into a bucket, BUT... I would expect the concession stand companies to offer their profits as donations. I don't hear anyone complaining about the hundreds of thousands of dollars those companies made from this game.

first, i agree that asu (who runs the concessions) should have matched whatever was donated at the game.you admit that you don't live in the area. i do. and it was mentioned repeatedly, enough so that i knew before going to the game that i was going to donate $40 and hit up the atm on the way down.

this fact was mentioned on every break on the sports talk stations the entire day.

this isn't like someone gave you a ticket and then put their hand out.

they said if you want to come to the game and get a free ticket, donations are being taken at the gate.

everyone knew going in what was expected of them and it was their choice to go and donate, or stay home and drink their pabst blue ribbon.

 

[bentley]

Do we get a 2nd chance? XTRA 910 is reporting that the Chargers are considering Phoenix and San Fran as possible sites for their Nov. 9th home game, if necessary.

san francisco says theyll only do it if the Chargers wear their 'Powder Blues'! :rotflmao:

 

[bagger]

Do we get a 2nd chance? XTRA 910 is reporting that the Chargers are considering Phoenix and San Fran as possible sites for their Nov. 9th home game, if necessary.

i would assume that the nfl will be smarter and charge a small fee and also ask for donations to keep the losers out.maybe you only get 40-50k, but at least there will be people such as myself that will gladly donate my fair share...and not a coupon for sonics along with some canadian loonies.

 

[bagger]

Do we get a 2nd chance? XTRA 910 is reporting that the Chargers are considering Phoenix and San Fran as possible sites for their Nov. 9th home game, if necessary.

san francisco says theyll only do it if the Chargers wear their 'Powder Blues'! :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: those are the best football unis out there, but if the dolts don't start winning in them they'll never switch permanently.san fran also already got their ### kicked in phoenix, do they really want to come back a second time?

 

[bentley]

hey sandbagger,i am still confused on the logic here. nobody knew there were going to be any donations expected or that there were any fires going on...God just happened to have miracled a MONDAY NIGHT GAME into AZ. wtf?!!!? i mean, seriously..give me a break. umm...if (some happened to not know why there was a game going on), i would think they might have an innate curiosity to find out why. no?

 

[bagger]

hey sandbagger,i am still confused on the logic here. nobody knew there were going to be any donations expected or that there were any fires going on...God just happened to have miracled a MONDAY NIGHT GAME into AZ. wtf?!!!? i mean, seriously..give me a break. umm...if (some happened to not know why there was a game going on), i would think they might have an innate curiosity to find out why. no?

apparently poor college students and poor mexican families of 6 are constantly in line for whatever event that takes place at sun devil stadium as long as it's free.it's funny, because when i went to the USC/ASU football game this year I saw all of these poor college students throwing down beers before, during, and after the game. I don't think they were giving these beers awar for free. Where did they get the money?I guess I'd be drinking too for as bad as ASU's football program is.gdb showing Salad Bowl appearences (among other crappy bowls they've attended) around the mezzanine level of the stadium. the coliseum in l.a. just lists national championships and heismans. :rotflmao:

 

[RoarinSonoran]

These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go. It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).

Sandbagger, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to donate. It was their choice to donate (and thus attend the game).The sad thing is that there was only ONE outrageous line. It started at the SW gate and wrapped around A-mountain. I for one was willing to invest the time in that line before I left the house. I watched the news just before leaving, looking for a helicopter view. The only line they showed was this long one, and I figured I'd go anyhow and see if another line was better. If I didn't get in, oh well no big deal. I would have had some exercise for the day.I also knew better not to bother dealing with parking anywhere near the stadium, so I parked about a mile away at my parent's house and walked. As it turned out, I could have parked in my normal go-to-ASU-games spot, near the RR tracks and 5th St (half mile away).When I got there, I went to the SE gate, and there was NO LINE WHATSOEVER. I have no idea what the other line was all about. Maybe they were lined up to take pics with our Governor and Bidwell. I'm sorry you fell for the media hype and missed a pretty good game.

 

[bagger]

These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go. It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).

Sandbagger, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to donate. It was their choice to donate (and thus attend the game).The sad thing is that there was only ONE outrageous line. It started at the SW gate and wrapped around A-mountain. I for one was willing to invest the time in that line before I left the house. I watched the news just before leaving, looking for a helicopter view. The only line they showed was this long one, and I figured I'd go anyhow and see if another line was better. If I didn't get in, oh well no big deal. I would have had some exercise for the day.I also knew better not to bother dealing with parking anywhere near the stadium, so I parked about a mile away at my parent's house and walked. As it turned out, I could have parked in my normal go-to-ASU-games spot, near the RR tracks and 5th St (half mile away).When I got there, I went to the SE gate, and there was NO LINE WHATSOEVER. I have no idea what the other line was all about. Maybe they were lined up to take pics with our Governor and Bidwell. I'm sorry you fell for the media hype and missed a pretty good game.

obviously nobody was being forced to donate, i'm just expressing my dismay that more people didn't feel compelled on their own to.that's what's sad.if i got a nfl game for free because of other people's misfortunes, and had an opportunity to do something about it (however small) i would feel compelled to do so.

 

[bentley]

lmao @ arizona = ethiopia = "feed the children"i didnt realize it was so bad down there. the govt really needs to step in and help those poor kids down there, as well as those poor families of 6.

 

[zoni]

Hey, DID ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY GO TO THE GAME????If so, what were the logistics of the donation areas? Perhaps it was a matter of them having 2 or 3 donation cans at each gate as 73,000 people are pouring in? With wall to wall people coming through the gates, it can be hard to spot 2 or 3 kids holding out donation cans. I can see this happening. Just wondering what this situation was.{EDITED to say I just saw RS post. Just out of curiosity - how were the donation areas set up?}If that were the case there were probably issues with access at the gates.I know, I know, there are a couple of people here that would say " I would have waited in line behind anyone for any amount of time to donate". Yea. But anyway, in my post earlier I tried to bring to light other factors that may have contributed to the low total. I don't think it's simply a case of "poor college kids" or too many freeloaders. I see it as a case of a bunch of factors combined.SB = Jesus (as long as the line is short)

 

[RoarinSonoran]

uh oh...:southphoenix:

Hey, I'm a South Phoenician! (I live in the 'good' part) No illegal alien here tho. :gang: :woohoosophx!:Edit: oops, edited wrong post

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Hey, DID ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY GO TO THE GAME????

See my post on page 4 for the entry/donation method.Edited to say I just saw your edit They just had the cheerleaders with buckets just beyond the ticket-takers, across the entrance. No lines (where I entered at the SE gate), and you couldn't miss 'em. (edit2: although I did manage to miss ogling them...I was so shocked to have avoided any line that I donated without even looking at 'em! :( )

 

[bagger]

uh oh...:southphoenix:

Hey, I'm a South Phoenician! (I live in the 'good' part) No illegal alien here tho. :gang: :woohoosophx!:

the firm i work for finances a lot of the residential development down there.some of those developments along the baseline corridor are really nice where those golf courses are. it's like night and day what's going on down there. there's just that stigma that's still around it.but what you can buy down there is affordable to say the least.