Latest AZ sports talk buzz: (1 Viewer)

[RoarinSonoran]

the firm i work for finances a lot of the residential development down there.some of those developments along the baseline corridor are really nice where those golf courses are. it's like night and day what's going on down there. there's just that stigma that's still around it.but what you can buy down there is affordable to say the least.

Keep up the good work! That sound you hear ( :hammer: ) means more equity for me! Saw in the Repulsive today that 760 homes are going in at Southern/24th St. Suuhhhweeet!Next year will be a ##### on Baseline, tho, as they re-pave/re-design Baseline between 7th St and 40th St. But well worth it, as the road is currently crap.

 

[FF Dude]

These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go.  It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).

Sandbagger, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to donate. It was their choice to donate (and thus attend the game).The sad thing is that there was only ONE outrageous line. It started at the SW gate and wrapped around A-mountain. I for one was willing to invest the time in that line before I left the house. I watched the news just before leaving, looking for a helicopter view. The only line they showed was this long one, and I figured I'd go anyhow and see if another line was better. If I didn't get in, oh well no big deal. I would have had some exercise for the day.I also knew better not to bother dealing with parking anywhere near the stadium, so I parked about a mile away at my parent's house and walked. As it turned out, I could have parked in my normal go-to-ASU-games spot, near the RR tracks and 5th St (half mile away).When I got there, I went to the SE gate, and there was NO LINE WHATSOEVER. I have no idea what the other line was all about. Maybe they were lined up to take pics with our Governor and Bidwell. I'm sorry you fell for the media hype and missed a pretty good game.

obviously nobody was being forced to donate, i'm just expressing my dismay that more people didn't feel compelled on their own to.that's what's sad.if i got a nfl game for free because of other people's misfortunes, and had an opportunity to do something about it (however small) i would feel compelled to do so.

Sandbagger,I never saw any response from you on how much you have donated. I'm sure that if you would have felt compelled to donate as you walked in to the game, that you have felt compelled to send a donation by mail or phone. If you haven't done so then I am calling BS on you. The hypocricy of chastising others when you have not given yourself is as bad as the self centered attitude that kept others from donating at the actual event. I am not approving of what they did, but explaining it by saying that those who chose to donate nothing believe they need it (money) more than the next guy. For those of you who say that you would have given when you were in college, either had more money to give or were just 20 years more mature than I was and 95% of the people I was in college with. If you respond with another "I didn't go to the game so I'm not obligated", than you are just using a different form of justification to explain your apathy.Maybe your charity is confined to the convenience of convience stores, salvation army collectors and other easy methods to rid yourself of pocket change, I don't know. If you have made your contribution in some way, than I applaud you for backing up what you say,otherwise......

 

[Legion of Doom]

it's funny, because when i went to the USC/ASU football game this year I saw all of these poor college students throwing down beers before, during, and after the game.

Your right that was me back in the day,then for 4 days straight I ate ramen noodles with what little change I could come up with b/c I choose to party on the weekend. If I was lucky a bar down the street would have happy hour and I could munch down on little smokies,wings, etc...Some weeks you live high on the hog,other weeks it's ramen time.That was my college life.I could have donated back in the day,I just would have had to plan for it.I would have been hard pressed to come up with very much money on such short notice to donate so early in the week without borrowing it,which I would have b/c I'm a football fan and a nice guy!

 

[Colt Apologist]

it's funny, because when i went to the USC/ASU football game this year I saw all of these poor college students throwing down beers before, during, and after the game. I don't think they were giving these beers awar for free. Where did they get the money?

I thought ASU didn't serve beer at the stadium for college games?As for the Etheopia comment, you're missing the point. Even if we had the nationwide average number of illegals/homeless (which is highly unlikely) all of those folks more likely to go than 100% of Paradise Hills, 95% of Scottsdale and Sun City, 80% of Arrowhead/Chandler/Cave Creek/Mesa, 70% of Peoria, and 60% of Glendale.

 

[Colt Apologist]

Now you can do it too!

Apparently the NFL has established a relief fund. Come on all you guys who watched the game - time to pony up. Afterall, you got to see an NFL game for free.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

I'm sure that if you would have felt compelled to donate as you walked in to the game, that you have felt compelled to send a donation by mail or phone.

Why would Sandbagger feel compelled to tip another person's waitress? Did their house burn down?? Did he get the goods or services???The BS remains with the people who freeloaded. The understanding of human development is scary here. 20 year-olds are adults. Gone are the juvenile self-centered days in general. I would further argue that those who freeloaded in college also take every opportunity to freeload today. I'm just sayin' that there's not going to be a fundamental change in nature after age 20. This would have happened in any town? No proof of this whatsoever. NFL screw up? Oh yeah. Not again though...right?

 

[FF Dude]

Why would Sandbagger feel compelled to tip another person's waitress? Did their house burn down?? Did he get the goods or services???The BS remains with the people who freeloaded. The understanding of human development is scary here. 20 year-olds are adults. Gone are the juvenile self-centered days in general. I would further argue that those who freeloaded in college also take every opportunity to freeload today. I'm just sayin' that there's not going to be a fundamental change in nature after age 20. This would have happened in any town? No proof of this whatsoever. NFL screw up? Oh yeah. Not again though...right?

Not sure if I understand your comment here Robin, but I was making reference to Sandbaggers comment that if he/she had gone to the game, he/she would have felt compelled to contribute. If ANYONE agrees with that statement, then I think you are all lazy arses who only give when it is convenient. To fault others for not contributing when you haven't yourself is the height of hipocracy. Just because you didn't get to enjoy the live free game is no excuse. Put in or shut up I say.I also find the "tipping another person's waitress analogy insulting. The people who are suffering by the wildfires are not the ones who provided the service that so many "freeloaded" off of.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

I also find the "tipping another person's waitress analogy insulting.

Don't judge me.

 

[FF Dude]

Don't judge me.

Don't insult me.

 

[pack100]

200K more than they had. Its a donation! Thanks

 

[jwvdcw]

Hmm, strange....I can't seem to find ANY definition of the word "donation" that includes the words "expected", "required", etc, as implied by many of the posts here."Would you care to donate to our cause?" DOES NOT EQUAL "Give us money!" I chose to donate (although if the whining continues I may ask for a refund). Others didn't. That's their choice. Deal with it, folks.(a couple of corrections, if the earlier posters are still around - gametime was 7pm local; yes there was a friggin' long line which stretched around A-mountain for some reason, but other gates were walk-right-in)

There's nothing for us to "deal with" other than to point out this behavior is wrong.These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go. It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).It's unbelievable that so many here have no problem with this. This selfish attitude of "what have these people done for us" is sick.

I think you're just pissed that you didn't get a ticket

 

[azcards33]

looks like ASU will keep SOME of the money made from concessions for damage caused to the field by the game, now it's up to the NFL to step up and donate the majority of it to those in San Diego:FAIRThe Heat gives it up to Arizona State for rising to the occasion to help the NFL by hosting the Dolphins and the Chargers, even while its NFL tenant continues to pursue a lawsuit that could suck millions of dollars from the university's athletic department.To refresh: An arbitrator dismissed a $21 million damage claim by the Cardinals against ASU in a dispute over sponsorship signs. The Cardinals were allowed to seek damages based on "wrongful exclusion" since 1999, although the arbitrator wrote that they would face a difficult burden in proving their case. Cardinals Vice President Michael Bidwill said in July that the team still could seek up to $11.9 million, more than a third of ASU's annual athletic budget.On Monday, ASU Athletic Director Gene Smith made a point of saying that ASU would not charge the NFL for field damage from Monday night's Miami-San Diego relocation game, even though Sun Devil Stadium will have absorbed four games in eight days by Sunday night. The NFL is allowing ASU to keep some of the concession money from the Miami-San Diego game. "We'll use that to do whatever we have to do (to the field) next week," Smith said.A re-sodding between the hashes is probable to prepare for the ASU-UA game on Nov. 28, 4A and 5A state high school finals on Dec. 6 and the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2.Smith ordered Operations Director Mike Chismar to stay out of the office for a much-earned rest Tuesday and also raved about the work of facilities coordinator Pete Wozniak and the grounds crew. He said Hermelinda Llamas and Tyrone Figaro are among those on Chismar's staff deserving of public credit.Smith's reward was an early-morning phone call from former Dallas Cowboys architect Gil Brandt, who said stepping up to the plate gave ASU great exposure.The Heat only hopes swim coach Mike Chasson gets a tape of John Madden's illustrated and confused explanation of long- and short-course swimming, which accompanied an extended overhead shot of the Mona Plummer Aquatic Center, to show recruits

 

[azcards33]

sports talk show radio hosts are taking this subject and running with it. I was just listening to "From the Bleachers" with Bill Lewis and Mike Jurecki. Jurecki was joking that rather than handing candy out to trick-or-treaters, he was just going to leave a bucket full of candy outside his door with a note that says "Please take 1" next to it.A little while later, their NFL insider called in and asked Jurecki if he was really going to just leave the candy out with a note, Jurecki replied that he was considering it and the NFL insider told him "Just hope that the same guys that attended the Dolphins/Chargers monday night game don't show up, they will take all your candy and the bucket and it will all be gone in less than 3 seconds"Just thought I'd pass along the latest on this topic to you guys. Sports talk shows out here are having a field day with it, right or wrong

 

[glumpy]

Jurecki was joking that rather than handing candy out to trick-or-treaters, he was just going to leave a bucket full of candy outside his door with a note that says "Please take 1" next to it.

Good time for a (small).....:hijack:Went trick-or-treating with my son last year in a new neighborhood. Great time!! Several cul de sacs all together...many of the parents were out in the driveways with chimineas handing out candy while others were with the kids--it was like one huge block party. Five households got together in one--moved out furniture and set up a House of Horrors to rival anything I've ever seen at a carnival or fair. Just your classic vision of idyllic neighborhood living.On several porches were buckets of candy/treats with that "please take one" sign on them (likely from those parents dressed up for that House of Horrors). And that's just what the kids were doing--leaving plenty for those coming after them. Needless to say we're partying in that neighborhood again tonight!!:endhijack:

 

[S.K.A.]

Just wanted to say that I didn't think ASU kept all of the concessions as Sandbagger said they would. Seems like I remember hearing about the monies division over the lawsuit talked specifically in reference to this.

 

[azcards33]

I happen to know alot of college students from my days at New Mexico State that were living large of financial aid/work studyMy rommates, who attended NMSU would be big ballin at the beginning of each semester off their financial aid. They usually received enough to cover books, tuition, rent, food and plently of clubbing/partying.I didn't receive financial aid, and worked my way through school, and these guys were often alot better off than I was and had more spending money.That stereotype of all college kids being "starving students" is ludicrous.

 

[Colt Apologist]

Apparently the NFL has established a relief fund. Come on all you guys who watched the game - time to pony up. Afterall, you got to see an NFL game for free.

Have yet to hear anyone call for others to join them in the giving. So what is the difference between the 70K who went to the game for free and those of you sitting at home watching the game for free? Seems to me the "holier than thou" crowd needs to step up.No takers???? Exactly.

 

[azcards33]

Are you ready for . . . a dose of reality?Oct. 28, 2003 12:00 AM The Phoenix TV stations sent their mobile vans to Tempe early Monday morning. If any of that footage had made the Today Show or CNN, we'd have had a tough time convincing the rest of the nation that we're not a bunch of self-centered, insensitive pinheads - we just play them on TV.That's the feeling a person could have come away with after chatting with some fans lined up outside Sun Devil Stadium. "We came as soon as we heard that the game got moved here and that it was free," one of them told me. "If you love football you can't pass up a deal like that.""Free, baby!" shouted a nearby fan.Except, of course, it wasn't free. By dawn Monday the cost of moving the Dolphins-Chargers game to Tempe was 300,000 acres of charred California landscape, more than 850 destroyed homes and 13 lives.The Cardinals and ASU and Tempe did a good thing in agreeing to take the game on short notice. The NFL did a good thing in not charging an entry fee but instead asking for donations to California's wildfire relief fund.But it shouldn't have ended there.In Monday's Arizona Republic the mayor of Tempe, Neil Giuliano, is quoted as saying, "It shows the NFL that Arizona and the Valley is willing to step up and help out when they need help. Hopefully, they will remember that when they consider Arizona for a Super Bowl in a few days."Hopefully, just the opposite is true. Hopefully, the NFL will forget that an Arizona politician was foolish enough to suggest payback for what should be an act of generosity. Hopefully, the rest of the nation will not assume that one politician or a few simple-minded fans speak for the rest of us.By the time people began lining up outside the stadium, firefighters from a half-dozen or more stations in Arizona were headed to California to help fight the fires. The same is true of disaster volunteers and others.That's what people should think about when they consider Arizona's "charitable" reaction to the disaster next door. Not the fact, as was reported Monday, that Tempe officials expect to be reimbursed for the overtime paid to its police officers Monday night.This should be about one NFL franchise helping another. About one town helping another. About one state helping another.In Catholic grade school, the nuns used to say if we asked for anything in return or if we bragged about it, then it wasn't charity.In some of the back streets of Tempe, homeowners had signs Monday offering parking spots on their driveways or yards for $10 or more. I saw no sign promising to donate that money to the wildfire fund.Maybe that's because there was no similar promise publicly stated by area businesses and government. Not from community leaders or from politicians.It was a spur of the moment decision to move the game's location, so people didn't have a lot of time to think. But I didn't hear a lot about charity from the folks in line outside the stadium or from anyone else.I did hear from several football fans who thought this would be a good opportunity to trash the Cardinals. The most printable came from a Phoenix man, who wrote in part: "I am going to the game tonight. I'll be the one with the sign that says, 'Arizona Loves the NFL - Hates Bill Bidwill.' I hope there are more people at tonight's game than were at yesterday's. I think that would be a monumental embarrassment to Bidwill. It would be a dream come true! Then he would know that Arizona really does care about football, but that we want a competitive team."I wrote back saying that I, too, hoped that there would be more people at Monday's game than were at Sunday's. Not because it would be a monumental embarrassment to Bidwill, but because it would be a monumental boost to the disaster relief fund, assuming fans are as generous as I believe they are. I also suggested that he alter his sign to say something like: "Arizona Loves the NFL - Hates getting a game this way." Because then everyone would know that while we care about football, we care a little more about those who are caught up in the tragedy.

 

[bagger]

Hmm, strange....I can't seem to find ANY definition of the word "donation" that includes the words "expected", "required", etc, as implied by many of the posts here."Would you care to donate to our cause?" DOES NOT EQUAL "Give us money!"  I chose to donate (although if the whining continues I may ask for a refund).  Others didn't.  That's their choice.  Deal with it, folks.(a couple of corrections, if the earlier posters are still around - gametime was 7pm local; yes there was a friggin' long line which stretched around A-mountain for some reason, but other gates were walk-right-in)

There's nothing for us to "deal with" other than to point out this behavior is wrong.These freeloaders kept people such as myself away from the game who would have donated.I was all set to go until I heard about the outrageous lines and decided not to since it would be sold out or close to it.Roarin, you make it sound like the NFL was forcing people to go. It was their choice to go (and thus contribute).It's unbelievable that so many here have no problem with this. This selfish attitude of "what have these people done for us" is sick.

I think you're just pissed that you didn't get a ticket

 

[BigRed]

the people you get at ANY FREE event that normally costs over $50 a ticket is going to bring out predominantly less fortunate group of people. 

lol "predominantly less fortunate group of people"' = trailer park a-holes (regardless of income) who care about nothing but themselves and a free ride. Then again that describes a lot of people who attend NFL games anyway IMO.

If you are a poor family (which Phoenix has at least it's share) and you suddenly have the opportunity to take your family of 6 to an NFL game that you would never be able to otherwise - you'd do it.  Maybe you would even throw in a $20

................unless you're one of the people described above, of which there were obviously many. THAT IS THE POINT. Why is this so hard for some of you to get? People should have given what they could, even a token amount, but many did not. I'd bet very few, including students, were incapable of giving at least a small amount. That's what most of us find so pathetic. And sorry, youth is NOT a valid excuse for being a POS (although I know many college students think it is). Plus it's not like the NFL said "hey free game but we need to buy some new helmets so chip in would ya." A lot of people got to see an ordinarily very expensive MNF game because of the fires - yet they can't give even a few bucks to help those who suffered because of those same fires? Give me a break.

You guys are smoking something if you think any more than 10%-15% of the crowd were from "well-off" financial situations.

lol @ having to be "well off" to give a small amount of money. You're equally stoned if you think most of the people who attended that game weren't capable of giving even as little as $5-10.GDB apologists. Even Colt ones.

 

[BassNBrew]

What's has this country come to when others seem to think they can dictate what other people should donate?It's called freedom of choice. The game was free and the donation was voluntary. Maybe some of these free loaders are already giving to other charities in a higher percentage then you are. Maybe they already donate their time to causes they more strongly support. Maybe they felt their donation budget was better spent locally then sent to the largest state economy in the country. Maybe they feel finding a cure for breast cancer is more important. Maybe they disagree with whatever building and forest management customs that may have contributed to this disaster. Maybe they feel they have already done their fair share. Maybe they just don't care. Regardless, it's a freedom of choice.I wouldn't dare toss stones at any of these folks unless every disposable dime I had was being sent to the charity. I sure hope anyone here complaining has crossed steak of the grocery list for hot dogs, turned the heat back a few few degrees, and cancelled any weekend recreation activities. You should probably turn off the TV this Sunday afternoon and do some odd jobs around the neighborhood to raise some additional donations in lieu of watching football.

 

[FinHead]

What's has this country come to when others seem to think they can dictate what other people should donate?It's called freedom of choice. The game was free and the donation was voluntary.

 

[bentley]

some reinforcement to the thesis that Arizona is filled with deadbeats and that more money would have been raised at another venue.

State Generosity Rankings