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[JohnnyU]

I started a new thread because the other Henry threads are full of BS. Might as well start clean.

I don't know if this has already been posted, but while reading the Javon Walker thread, in the link provided about Javon Walker I noticed this tid bit about Henry.

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INSIDER: Travis Henry Appeal to be Heard in Arizona

Last Edited: Monday, 05 Nov 2007, 10:48 AM MST

Created: Monday, 05 Nov 2007, 10:48 AM MST

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It’s been reported already that Travis Henry’s appeal date has been tentatively reset from November 5th to November 16th in New York.

However, contrary to current reports, I have learned from both a highly placed League source and a source inside of Henry’s camp, that the appeal is tentatively scheduled to be in ARIZONA.

“That’s because a lot of people in the [N.F.L.P.A’s] drug program will be in Phoenix,” explained a highly placed N.F.L source.”

“I believe that the change in date had to do with a scheduling conflict that Harvey Steinberg had,” added a highly placed League source.

Steinberg was unavailable to comment on whether his court calendar factored into the scheduling change for Henry’s appeal at time of this report.

Steinberg, a lawyer working in the Denver metropolitan area recently told me that, “I am just the local lawyer,” on Henry’s appeal case.

In the meantime, I gained insight into some of the arguments Henry’s team will likely present during the appeal. But first and foremost the source inside of Henry’s camp acknowledged the following things I’ve already reported [some of the information is new based on the source’s report]:

1.) Henry did test positive for marijuana.

2.) Henry tested over the Collective Bargaining Agreement (C.B.A.) limit by 6ng/ml.

*The C.B.A limit is 15ng/ml. The fact that Henry’s result was 21ng/ml is new!

3.) Henry did have a Toxicologist present to witness the testing of his “B” urine sample after William Closson (the original Toxicologist) was rejected. What’s new, according to the source inside of Henry camp, is the identity of the Toxicologist who did witness the testing of the “B” urine sample; the Toxicologist’s name is Dr. Skip Jones.

4.) Lastly, it is "unlikely" that a judge will order his reinstatement under the hypothetical scenario that his appeal is denied and his case is further challenged in the courts.

So the question is, if the facts of Henry’s case demonstrate that he did test positive for marijuana, and that his result was over the limit set by the C.B.A, and that Henry did have a Toxicologist present for the testing of his “B” urine sample (It’s been reported that Henry’s defense against the League suspending him for a year would be that his C.B.A right of having a Toxicologist present for the testing of his B sample was ignored), than what exactly will Henry argue?

I have has learned the strategy of Henry’s team in part will likely be to challenge the C.B.A benchmark of 15ng/ml. The contention is that this specific level is not an amount that many experts would consider a positive test. Moreover, the sentiment is that Henry’s level is low enough to raise questions about reliability.

I also determined that Henry’s team will likely contend that Henry’s result of 21ng/ml does not prove that he knowingly violated the leagues substance abuse policy. In other words, that there is a possibility that Henry’s marijuana levels are a result of second hand smoke.

So to that end, and for further clarification, a highly placed League source retorted with this:

“They’ll be going up against forensics that show experiments where guys have been put into a car full of smoke, and then have been tested!”

The highly placed league source further emphasized that to their knowledge the League limit of 15ng/ml has been set to negate the argument of testing positive due to second hand smoke.

Possibly the stronger argument that Henry’s team is likely to contend is that the N.F.L ignored a lawfully served restraining order issued by the New York State Court to hold off on testing Henry’s B sample.

Reporters Note: This is an argument Henry’s lawyers are presenting--according to court documents-- to get his case remanded back to a State court and out of federal jurisdiction.

In conclusion, based on the new reset appeal hearing date of Nov.16th, if the process and the decision took- let’s say-2 weeks—Henry could still hypothetically miss 5 games this season as part of a year suspension. That of course is conjecture. I have been told, by people who know however that, the length of the appeal process will depend on the evidence adduced at the hearing!

The good news for Henry in all of this is that I’ve learned, through the source in Henry’s camp, that the Broncos have been very supportive during the whole process.

TO MY BLOG POUND: Sorry I have been out of pocket! The Rockies usurped all of my attention! But I am back today with a report for you all! Stay locked in!

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[Tanner9919]

I wonder what the Kansas City Star has to report on this matter?

suspension aside, that team is `thisclose` from a complete meltdown of epic proportions.there is nothing left for them to do, they keep losing.they need to find out if Young is going to be the guy for the future, or if they need to grab a RB in free agency or in the NFL draft.Henry , imo, is a dead man walking..you never win an appeal case against the NFL.since they're fading fast, and god forbid they have to use Pat Ramsey at QB ,its time to begin to let the younger guys have a chance to show what they can do..

 

[packersfan]

I wonder what the Kansas City Star has to report on this matter?

suspension aside, that team is `thisclose` from a complete meltdown of epic proportions.there is nothing left for them to do, they keep losing.they need to find out if Young is going to be the guy for the future, or if they need to grab a RB in free agency or in the NFL draft.Henry , imo, is a dead man walking..you never win an appeal case against the NFL.since they're fading fast, and god forbid they have to use Pat Ramsey at QB ,its time to begin to let the younger guys have a chance to show what they can do..

As bad as they've been, the Broncos are only one game out of first place in the AFC West (speaks volumes about that division). I don't see Shanahan going to a youth movement given how his team still has a strong chance to make the playoffs. I think Henry will continue to dominate the carries as long as he's able to play.

 

[minister]

I wonder what the Kansas City Star has to report on this matter?

suspension aside, that team is `thisclose` from a complete meltdown of epic proportions.there is nothing left for them to do, they keep losing.they need to find out if Young is going to be the guy for the future, or if they need to grab a RB in free agency or in the NFL draft.

Henry , imo, is a dead man walking..you never win an appeal case against the NFL.

since they're fading fast, and god forbid they have to use Pat Ramsey at QB ,

its time to begin to let the younger guys have a chance to show what they can do..

I agree that is likely Henry is suspended soon.However, I think the bolded ideas are overblown on these forums.

Coaches have an excellent idea about the ability of their players. It's a huge part of their responsibility.

(With the sometime exception of quarterbacks, who can react unpredictably to the "real" pressure of game defence vs. practice defence.)

All coaches are motivated to win this Sunday, and suitably tend to put their best men on the field.

IMO, only a few mettling owners employ the idealogy of "let's see what the kid can do".

In part because they don't know what the coaches know about "the kid".

 

[BLOX]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.

Likely, no. Possible, sure.

 

[Max Power]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

If he is stupid enough to be around others who smoke, then he deserves all of this for being stupid.

 

[Nate]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.

Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

Is it really? The CBA's definition of marijuana use is much different from the NIDA's definition. The NFL CBA defines it as 15ng/mL. The NIDA used to define it as 20ng/mL, but bumped it to 100ng/mL because of too many false positives. At 5ng/mL higher than the NFL's cutoff.The NIDA uses 50ng/mL now as the cutoff. And yes, second hand smoke can put you to Henry's level, 21ng/mL (though you'd probably have to be hotboxing a car to get that high). Many studies have been done on this.

Henry will appeal the rule itself but the players union signed the CBA and I doubt he'll avoid a suspension on these grounds. Even if he's able to sell the second hand smoke defense, he's still above the level that the union agreed would be considered marijuana use. But I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the cutoff after this.

 

[ComebackKurt]

I guess the biggest question from all of this is Which one of his kids was smoking in the car with him? And secondarily will this cost him more in child support payments?

Sorry, had to, couldn't resist...

 

[Max Power]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.

Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

Is it really? The CBA's definition of marijuana use is much different from the NIDA's definition. The NFL CBA defines it as 15ng/mL. The NIDA used to define it as 20ng/mL, but bumped it to 100ng/mL because of too many false positives. At 5ng/mL higher than the NFL's cutoff.The NIDA uses 50ng/mL now as the cutoff. And yes, second hand smoke can put you to Henry's level, 21ng/mL (though you'd probably have to be hotboxing a car to get that high). Many studies have been done on this.

Henry will appeal the rule itself but the players union signed the CBA and I doubt he'll avoid a suspension on these grounds. Even if he's able to sell the second hand smoke defense, he's still above the level that the union agreed would be considered marijuana use. But I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the cutoff after this.

Im curious to see where you got the numbers you posted...and which is now by NIDA's standards 50ng/ml or 100ng/ml?

 

[broncofan13000]

Possibly the stronger argument that Henry’s team is likely to contend is that the N.F.L ignored a lawfully served restraining order issued by the New York State Court to hold off on testing Henry’s B sample.

As a Henry owner, i'm hoping this is reason enough to let him play. :believer:eta. thanks for the news

 

[thehornet]

i got some news for you guys.

He was better off in Tennessee!

But seriously, i want this guy to get suspended because i have both he and Selvin and i think Selvin is better in fantasy because he catches balls.

 

[moose162]

not sure if it even matters anymore. Henry is a bust on and off the field.

 

[Max Power]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.

Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

Is it really? The CBA's definition of marijuana use is much different from the NIDA's definition. The NFL CBA defines it as 15ng/mL. The NIDA used to define it as 20ng/mL, but bumped it to 100ng/mL because of too many false positives. At 5ng/mL higher than the NFL's cutoff.The NIDA uses 50ng/mL now as the cutoff. And yes, second hand smoke can put you to Henry's level, 21ng/mL (though you'd probably have to be hotboxing a car to get that high). Many studies have been done on this.

Henry will appeal the rule itself but the players union signed the CBA and I doubt he'll avoid a suspension on these grounds. Even if he's able to sell the second hand smoke defense, he's still above the level that the union agreed would be considered marijuana use. But I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the cutoff after this.

Im curious to see where you got the numbers you posted...and which is now by NIDA's standards 50ng/ml or 100ng/ml?

Nevermind, I found a link to support that. http://www.drugtestinfo.com/faq.htm

Good posting though.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Nov. 7 - 9:40 am et

Attorneys for the NFL have formally asked for a federal court to throw out the lawsuit Travis Henry has filed against the league.

The NFL argues that Henry's case should be handled within the league because of their specific policy on drug cases in the collective bargaining agreement, and the fact that Henry hasn't exhausted the league's grievance process. As it stands, Henry's case won't be settled until the end of the month, meaning his Nov. 16th appeal with the NFL could be postponed.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

not sure if it even matters anymore. Henry is a bust on and off the field.

agreed, not sure I care anyway, I'll really miss his 40 yards

 

[The Shizzle]

Any information on Henry's leg injury from this past game?

 

[packersfan]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Nov. 7 - 9:40 am et

Attorneys for the NFL have formally asked for a federal court to throw out the lawsuit Travis Henry has filed against the league.

The NFL argues that Henry's case should be handled within the league because of their specific policy on drug cases in the collective bargaining agreement, and the fact that Henry hasn't exhausted the league's grievance process. As it stands, Henry's case won't be settled until the end of the month, meaning his Nov. 16th appeal with the NFL could be postponed.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, if this info is true it's great news for Henry owners and pretty much kills Young's value. If this drags into December, Henry won't miss much time at all - if any - barring injury.

 

[moondawg]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Nov. 7 - 9:40 am et

Attorneys for the NFL have formally asked for a federal court to throw out the lawsuit Travis Henry has filed against the league.

The NFL argues that Henry's case should be handled within the league because of their specific policy on drug cases in the collective bargaining agreement, and the fact that Henry hasn't exhausted the league's grievance process. As it stands, Henry's case won't be settled until the end of the month, meaning his Nov. 16th appeal with the NFL could be postponed.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, if this info is true it's great news for Henry owners and pretty much kills Young's value. If this drags into December, Henry won't miss much time at all - if any - barring injury.

From the story on denverpost.com ---"Henry has a tentative appeal with the NFL on his positive drug test, which occurred in late August, for Nov. 16. That date could change. Henry will be eligible to play for the Broncos until his appeal is decided. If the NFL doesn't overturn his appeal, there is a chance his suspension would start while his court case proceeds. If he won the case while on suspension, he would likely be reinstated"

 

[JohnnyU]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Nov. 7 - 9:40 am et

Attorneys for the NFL have formally asked for a federal court to throw out the lawsuit Travis Henry has filed against the league.

The NFL argues that Henry's case should be handled within the league because of their specific policy on drug cases in the collective bargaining agreement, and the fact that Henry hasn't exhausted the league's grievance process. As it stands, Henry's case won't be settled until the end of the month, meaning his Nov. 16th appeal with the NFL could be postponed.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, if this info is true it's great news for Henry owners and pretty much kills Young's value. If this drags into December, Henry won't miss much time at all - if any - barring injury.

From the story on denverpost.com ---"Henry has a tentative appeal with the NFL on his positive drug test, which occurred in late August, for Nov. 16. That date could change. Henry will be eligible to play for the Broncos until his appeal is decided. If the NFL doesn't overturn his appeal, there is a chance his suspension would start while his court case proceeds. If he won the case while on suspension, he would likely be reinstated"

Interesting hmmm..., so it looks like he could be gone quicker than it appears.

 

[packersfan]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Nov. 7 - 9:40 am et

Attorneys for the NFL have formally asked for a federal court to throw out the lawsuit Travis Henry has filed against the league.

The NFL argues that Henry's case should be handled within the league because of their specific policy on drug cases in the collective bargaining agreement, and the fact that Henry hasn't exhausted the league's grievance process. As it stands, Henry's case won't be settled until the end of the month, meaning his Nov. 16th appeal with the NFL could be postponed.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, if this info is true it's great news for Henry owners and pretty much kills Young's value. If this drags into December, Henry won't miss much time at all - if any - barring injury.

From the story on denverpost.com ---"Henry has a tentative appeal with the NFL on his positive drug test, which occurred in late August, for Nov. 16. That date could change. Henry will be eligible to play for the Broncos until his appeal is decided. If the NFL doesn't overturn his appeal, there is a chance his suspension would start while his court case proceeds. If he won the case while on suspension, he would likely be reinstated"

What a mess and I'll continue to say this is unprecedented. I don't know if another player in league history has ever had a suspension announced and then been able to drag it along for months. And what kills fantasy owners is no one seems to have any clue when the suspension could start - assuming he's even suspended. Mort has said he believes the suspension will happen immediately after the appeal is heard.

Palaontonio said it could be another 2-3 weeks.

Schefter has said it could drag into mid-December.

If you're a Henry and/or Young owner, there's no way to have any idea what's going to happen here. And I don't think this story paints a clearer picture. Basically, it's another story telling us he could be suspended or he might not be and he may have his appeal on the 16th or he won't.

What a mess.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm a patient man. As long as Young has the backfield all to himself by week 15, it's all good.

 

[PatrickT]

I'm a patient man. As long as Young has the backfield all to himself by week 15, it's all good.

With LJ #1 and Henry #2, I'm not sure how patient I can be at only 1 game back from a rock solid team ahead of me. Not that I have a choice.I may be forced to start Jesse Chatman and 3 WRs this week. I had mostly escaped the injury bugs this year in this league and now, just when LJ starting to perform to his ADP and justify my patience with him, this. Ugh.

 

[GroveDiesel]

not sure if it even matters anymore. Henry is a bust on and off the field.

agreed, not sure I care anyway, I'll really miss his 40 yards

I actually cut Henry this week in favor of keeping Ernest Graham and Kenton Keith. I had to make a move because of byes and decided to cut Henry. He's scored 1 TD so far this season, and since Week 3 has been absolutely terrible. He's around the 38th-40th fantasy RB since Week 3. With this whole drug thing hanging over him, I decided that enough was enough and just cut bait with him.

 

[ShadowMaster]

From the link above:

Can a donor test positive through passive inhalation because he was in the same room with someone smoking marijuana?

This is a question that has had a long history. It has been shown that it is possible to have minute detectable levels of THC from passive inhalation, although with the standard DOT/SAMHSA screening cutoff (50 ng/ml) this is not possible. The controversy came from studies that showed that it is possible to produce a positive urine test when an initial cutoff of 20 ng/ml is used. There are numerous scientific articles that validate this point; however, exposure conditions were so unrealistic that they were characterized as nearly intolerable certainly not passive but active participation. Since all certified labs must use the 50 ng/ml for federally covered workers, a positive due to second hand smoke is not possible.

Light, occational use leaves he system in 2-3 days. Henry pissed a 21 - he was SMOKIN' mon

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'd just like to note that I'm pretty sure that I could never play in the NFL (among a host of other reasons of course) simply because I'm pretty sure that with my shy bladder I wouldn't be able to pee while somebody else watches. Heck, I have a hard enough time peeing into a cup when I'm in the bathroom at the doctor's office.

 

[SigEp316]

I think the fact that they're going to hear this in Arizona also speaks volumes on the case. The NFL adjusted their schedule to keep his appeal from being pushed back again....I think Henry will be done on our around 11/16.

 

[MCguidance]

Travis Henry-RB-Broncos Nov. 7 - 5:11 pm et

Travis Henry missed practice Wednesday with a knee injury.

Henry is still confident he'll play Sunday against Kansas City. The Broncos didn't report him as being hurt following their Week 9 loss to the Lions.

Source: Denver Post

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Travis Henry-RB-Broncos Nov. 7 - 5:11 pm et Travis Henry missed practice Wednesday with a knee injury.Henry is still confident he'll play Sunday against Kansas City. The Broncos didn't report him as being hurt following their Week 9 loss to the Lions.Source: Denver Post

Hurting , no Nalen ,cutler banged up and dealing with legal issue`s concerning his future...oh ya did i mention KC is pretty good against the run (at kc also).....sounds like a good week to play travis

 

[Rounders]

What gets me about all the Henry stuff, is the wishful thinking that FBG continues to give him. This is not a bash on FBG, but I really don't understand it.

Henry's remaining schedule

10 @ KC

11 TEN

12 @ CHI

13 @ OAK

14 KC

15 @ HOU

16 @ SD

17 MIN

And looking at his forward projections, FBG has him rated pretty high for week 12 and 13 (20 point games in my league) while struggling in the others (less than 10 ppg). I can see those are some favorable matchups, but the fact is Denver as a team is not getting it done. Whether its them getting down early so they are forced to pass it, or just the ineffectiveness of the OLine, Henry is not worth all of this attention.

I just don't get it. Henry was a huge bust for those that took him in the mid-late 1st round or early 2nd round. Time to call it like it is.

BTW: I'm a Henry owner too

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I agree. He had a lot of potential in Denver, but injuries to he and his line have hurt him. That and he hasn't gotten the goal-line carries or catches I thought he would. He's benched in favor of Fargas until further notice, or injury, which should be next week....

 

[MCguidance]

What gets me about all the Henry stuff, is the wishful thinking that FBG continues to give him. This is not a bash on FBG, but I really don't understand it.Henry's remaining schedule10 @ KC11 TEN12 @ CHI13 @ OAK14 KC15 @ HOU16 @ SD17 MINAnd looking at his forward projections, FBG has him rated pretty high for week 12 and 13 (20 point games in my league) while struggling in the others (less than 10 ppg). I can see those are some favorable matchups, but the fact is Denver as a team is not getting it done. Whether its them getting down early so they are forced to pass it, or just the ineffectiveness of the OLine, Henry is not worth all of this attention.I just don't get it. Henry was a huge bust for those that took him in the mid-late 1st round or early 2nd round. Time to call it like it is.BTW: I'm a Henry owner too

Don't kill the messenger. I am just posting some updates that the FBG community should see -- regardless if he stinks or not.

 

[mbuehner]

Why doesnt he take his hair into get tested if he's so adamant?

 

[thatguythere]

What gets me about all the Henry stuff, is the wishful thinking that FBG continues to give him. This is not a bash on FBG, but I really don't understand it.Henry's remaining schedule10 @ KC11 TEN12 @ CHI13 @ OAK14 KC15 @ HOU16 @ SD17 MINAnd looking at his forward projections, FBG has him rated pretty high for week 12 and 13 (20 point games in my league) while struggling in the others (less than 10 ppg). I can see those are some favorable matchups, but the fact is Denver as a team is not getting it done. Whether its them getting down early so they are forced to pass it, or just the ineffectiveness of the OLine, Henry is not worth all of this attention.I just don't get it. Henry was a huge bust for those that took him in the mid-late 1st round or early 2nd round. Time to call it like it is.BTW: I'm a Henry owner too

 

[packersfan]

Running back Travis Henry did not participate in Wednesday's practice because of some swelling on his knee. Henry left the game Sunday after hitting the turf hard following a run.

Shanahan said he expected Henry to play this week, but that the running back would be monitored through the week.

Link

 

[BigRed]

If you're still starting Henry, either your RBs blow or you is one stoopid mo fo.

 

[mcjc4]

Lost LJ this week, J. Jones is no pleasure, Selvin Young & Henry. Just got Fargas and may trade Plax for SJAX. So starting henry is still an option for alot of folks. I guess that means my RB BLOW!!

 

[Chaka]

Why doesnt he take his hair into get tested if he's so adamant?

He offered to do that as well as submit to a lie detector test. Not sure if the NFL took him up on it or not.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Once dependable running game is also hurting

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News

November 6, 2007

It has been a stone-cold lock for more than a decade.

No matter what has happened with the Broncos, they could count on the run game to provide a ray of light and, usually, more than a few flashes of brilliance.

It started that way this season, too. The first two games had their share of issues — red-zone scoring, special teams and run defense — but with running back Travis Henry cracking the 100-yard mark both times, the offense had the balance to run the play-action game and attack downfield.

No longer.

Whether it has been Henry's rib issues, changes up front or, as in Sunday's blowout loss against the Detroit Lions, dire circumstances on the scoreboard, the Broncos' run game has settled into the same mediocre state as the rest of the 3-5 team.

On the surface, the Broncos don't appear to be struggling with the run. Their 113.9-yard weekly average ranks 13th in the NFL, respectable but far below the nine top-five finishes under coach Mike Shanahan.

Still, consider the two times the running game finished 10th or worse since 1995, the team had its worst records.

And take out the 223 rushing yards in the Broncos' Sept. 30 loss at Indianapolis, and Denver has carried 102 times for 344 yards since Week 3. That is a 3.37-yards- per-carry average, which ranks next-to-last in the league. The Broncos have had only six carries of 10-plus yards in those five games.

"I think it's a little bit of the injuries catching up, and we've just got to get into a rhythm," Henry said. "It's a long season, man, and we're just trying to get it done right now. You would think we would, but it's tough right now, you know?"

The Broncos were dealt a preseason blow when left guard Ben Hamilton was sidelined because of a concussion. But with Chris Myers replacing Hamilton, the Broncos still came out strong against the Buffalo Bills (32 carries, 171 yards) and Oakland Raiders (38 for 181). The offensive line was forced to shift again when center Tom Nalen was lost for the year with a torn right biceps in the fifth game. Myers slid over to the pivot and Chris Kuper entered the lineup at guard.

At times, the Broncos haven't handled some of the physical fronts they have faced particularly well, including the past three opponents, all of whom rank in the top 12 stopping the rush.

Add in Henry's rib problem, which forced him out of the Oct. 29 game against Pittsburgh, and a previous knee issue, and one might have additional factors for the downturn.

"There's no excuses," right guard Montrae Holland said. "We have to get the job done, no matter who's in the game. We can't blame it on injuries. We can't blame it on people working together. We've got to get it done. That's why we're here."

Circumstances, such as Sunday's grueling second half, also have played a factor. Only once in the past six weeks have the Broncos not faced a halftime deficit. And those leads often have been extended as the third quarter has evolved.

So instead of running out the clock in the fourth quarter with the run, the Broncos have played catch-up.

"We keep getting down early or it's 'they score, we score,' and we can't afford to run the ball like we want to do and do the things we do," left tackle Matt Lepsis said. "We run the ball. We run play action and bootlegs. That's what we do."

Except lately.

"I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I'd bet we haven't been running the ball that much," Lepsis said. "We've been throwing the ball more than we're running the ball, and that's not who we are. It's definitely frustrating."

The Broncos managed nearly a 50-50 split in run-pass plays the first two weeks, but since have leaned on the air attack by a 60-40 margin. The Broncos have attempted fewer than 25 rushes in five of the past six games, with the Colts game the exception.

The biggest issue, though, might be the Broncos' inability to crank up the rush inside the opponent's 20-yard line. Midway through the schedule, the Broncos have only three rushing touchdowns. Only the New York Jets (two), Chicago Bears (two), Seattle Seahawks (two) and St. Louis Rams (one) have fewer.

In Shanahan's first 12 seasons, the Broncos averaged 17.5 rushing touchdowns; six times, they reached at least 20. Henry was supposed to be a between-the- tackles force that excelled in close, having totaled 34 scoring runs in his first six NFL seasons. It hasn't happened.

"In the red zone, everybody wants the ball. But I've got, what, one touchdown for the year?" Henry said. "I've got to get better."

That should be the catchphrase for the entire run offense, which had helped Henry into the NFL's rushing lead after the season's first month.

"I set my expectations high and we started rolling," Henry said. "But now . . . I don't feel like we're getting it done as a whole team. But I don't want to single myself out, and if everybody gets on the same page, I think we can make this thing happen."

 

[Tanner9919]

Once dependable running game is also hurting By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News November 6, 2007It has been a stone-cold lock for more than a decade. No matter what has happened with the Broncos, they could count on the run game to provide a ray of light and, usually, more than a few flashes of brilliance. It started that way this season, too. The first two games had their share of issues — red-zone scoring, special teams and run defense — but with running back Travis Henry cracking the 100-yard mark both times, the offense had the balance to run the play-action game and attack downfield. No longer. Whether it has been Henry's rib issues, changes up front or, as in Sunday's blowout loss against the Detroit Lions, dire circumstances on the scoreboard, the Broncos' run game has settled into the same mediocre state as the rest of the 3-5 team. On the surface, the Broncos don't appear to be struggling with the run. Their 113.9-yard weekly average ranks 13th in the NFL, respectable but far below the nine top-five finishes under coach Mike Shanahan. Still, consider the two times the running game finished 10th or worse since 1995, the team had its worst records. And take out the 223 rushing yards in the Broncos' Sept. 30 loss at Indianapolis, and Denver has carried 102 times for 344 yards since Week 3. That is a 3.37-yards- per-carry average, which ranks next-to-last in the league. The Broncos have had only six carries of 10-plus yards in those five games. "I think it's a little bit of the injuries catching up, and we've just got to get into a rhythm," Henry said. "It's a long season, man, and we're just trying to get it done right now. You would think we would, but it's tough right now, you know?" The Broncos were dealt a preseason blow when left guard Ben Hamilton was sidelined because of a concussion. But with Chris Myers replacing Hamilton, the Broncos still came out strong against the Buffalo Bills (32 carries, 171 yards) and Oakland Raiders (38 for 181). The offensive line was forced to shift again when center Tom Nalen was lost for the year with a torn right biceps in the fifth game. Myers slid over to the pivot and Chris Kuper entered the lineup at guard. At times, the Broncos haven't handled some of the physical fronts they have faced particularly well, including the past three opponents, all of whom rank in the top 12 stopping the rush. Add in Henry's rib problem, which forced him out of the Oct. 29 game against Pittsburgh, and a previous knee issue, and one might have additional factors for the downturn. "There's no excuses," right guard Montrae Holland said. "We have to get the job done, no matter who's in the game. We can't blame it on injuries. We can't blame it on people working together. We've got to get it done. That's why we're here." Circumstances, such as Sunday's grueling second half, also have played a factor. Only once in the past six weeks have the Broncos not faced a halftime deficit. And those leads often have been extended as the third quarter has evolved. So instead of running out the clock in the fourth quarter with the run, the Broncos have played catch-up. "We keep getting down early or it's 'they score, we score,' and we can't afford to run the ball like we want to do and do the things we do," left tackle Matt Lepsis said. "We run the ball. We run play action and bootlegs. That's what we do." Except lately. "I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I'd bet we haven't been running the ball that much," Lepsis said. "We've been throwing the ball more than we're running the ball, and that's not who we are. It's definitely frustrating." The Broncos managed nearly a 50-50 split in run-pass plays the first two weeks, but since have leaned on the air attack by a 60-40 margin. The Broncos have attempted fewer than 25 rushes in five of the past six games, with the Colts game the exception. The biggest issue, though, might be the Broncos' inability to crank up the rush inside the opponent's 20-yard line. Midway through the schedule, the Broncos have only three rushing touchdowns. Only the New York Jets (two), Chicago Bears (two), Seattle Seahawks (two) and St. Louis Rams (one) have fewer. In Shanahan's first 12 seasons, the Broncos averaged 17.5 rushing touchdowns; six times, they reached at least 20. Henry was supposed to be a between-the- tackles force that excelled in close, having totaled 34 scoring runs in his first six NFL seasons. It hasn't happened. "In the red zone, everybody wants the ball. But I've got, what, one touchdown for the year?" Henry said. "I've got to get better." That should be the catchphrase for the entire run offense, which had helped Henry into the NFL's rushing lead after the season's first month. "I set my expectations high and we started rolling," Henry said. "But now . . . I don't feel like we're getting it done as a whole team. But I don't want to single myself out, and if everybody gets on the same page, I think we can make this thing happen."

thanks, we know they are struggling to run the ball..the bigger question is whether or not Henry is out this week or not..I'm beginning to think Denver has packed it in for the season. that dog won't hunt...

 

[Max Power]

Once dependable running game is also hurting By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News November 6, 2007It has been a stone-cold lock for more than a decade. No matter what has happened with the Broncos, they could count on the run game to provide a ray of light and, usually, more than a few flashes of brilliance. It started that way this season, too. The first two games had their share of issues — red-zone scoring, special teams and run defense — but with running back Travis Henry cracking the 100-yard mark both times, the offense had the balance to run the play-action game and attack downfield. No longer. Whether it has been Henry's rib issues, changes up front or, as in Sunday's blowout loss against the Detroit Lions, dire circumstances on the scoreboard, the Broncos' run game has settled into the same mediocre state as the rest of the 3-5 team. On the surface, the Broncos don't appear to be struggling with the run. Their 113.9-yard weekly average ranks 13th in the NFL, respectable but far below the nine top-five finishes under coach Mike Shanahan. Still, consider the two times the running game finished 10th or worse since 1995, the team had its worst records. And take out the 223 rushing yards in the Broncos' Sept. 30 loss at Indianapolis, and Denver has carried 102 times for 344 yards since Week 3. That is a 3.37-yards- per-carry average, which ranks next-to-last in the league. The Broncos have had only six carries of 10-plus yards in those five games. "I think it's a little bit of the injuries catching up, and we've just got to get into a rhythm," Henry said. "It's a long season, man, and we're just trying to get it done right now. You would think we would, but it's tough right now, you know?" The Broncos were dealt a preseason blow when left guard Ben Hamilton was sidelined because of a concussion. But with Chris Myers replacing Hamilton, the Broncos still came out strong against the Buffalo Bills (32 carries, 171 yards) and Oakland Raiders (38 for 181). The offensive line was forced to shift again when center Tom Nalen was lost for the year with a torn right biceps in the fifth game. Myers slid over to the pivot and Chris Kuper entered the lineup at guard. At times, the Broncos haven't handled some of the physical fronts they have faced particularly well, including the past three opponents, all of whom rank in the top 12 stopping the rush. Add in Henry's rib problem, which forced him out of the Oct. 29 game against Pittsburgh, and a previous knee issue, and one might have additional factors for the downturn. "There's no excuses," right guard Montrae Holland said. "We have to get the job done, no matter who's in the game. We can't blame it on injuries. We can't blame it on people working together. We've got to get it done. That's why we're here." Circumstances, such as Sunday's grueling second half, also have played a factor. Only once in the past six weeks have the Broncos not faced a halftime deficit. And those leads often have been extended as the third quarter has evolved. So instead of running out the clock in the fourth quarter with the run, the Broncos have played catch-up. "We keep getting down early or it's 'they score, we score,' and we can't afford to run the ball like we want to do and do the things we do," left tackle Matt Lepsis said. "We run the ball. We run play action and bootlegs. That's what we do." Except lately. "I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I'd bet we haven't been running the ball that much," Lepsis said. "We've been throwing the ball more than we're running the ball, and that's not who we are. It's definitely frustrating." The Broncos managed nearly a 50-50 split in run-pass plays the first two weeks, but since have leaned on the air attack by a 60-40 margin. The Broncos have attempted fewer than 25 rushes in five of the past six games, with the Colts game the exception. The biggest issue, though, might be the Broncos' inability to crank up the rush inside the opponent's 20-yard line. Midway through the schedule, the Broncos have only three rushing touchdowns. Only the New York Jets (two), Chicago Bears (two), Seattle Seahawks (two) and St. Louis Rams (one) have fewer. In Shanahan's first 12 seasons, the Broncos averaged 17.5 rushing touchdowns; six times, they reached at least 20. Henry was supposed to be a between-the- tackles force that excelled in close, having totaled 34 scoring runs in his first six NFL seasons. It hasn't happened. "In the red zone, everybody wants the ball. But I've got, what, one touchdown for the year?" Henry said. "I've got to get better." That should be the catchphrase for the entire run offense, which had helped Henry into the NFL's rushing lead after the season's first month. "I set my expectations high and we started rolling," Henry said. "But now . . . I don't feel like we're getting it done as a whole team. But I don't want to single myself out, and if everybody gets on the same page, I think we can make this thing happen."

thanks, we know they are struggling to run the ball..the bigger question is whether or not Henry is out this week or not..I'm beginning to think Denver has packed it in for the season. that dog won't hunt...

I doubt that...I think Henry is the type of guy who is willing to miss practices if he doesnt feel up to it. He will play vs KC, probably get nicked up again though.

 

[faulkfan]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that this is a Collective Bargaining Agreement that the players union, of which Henry is a member, agreed to. The NFL is a private company and can set standards with the approval of the players union where ever they like. The amount that the CBA dictates doesn't matter. It could be 0.0 and still be enforcable because the NFL and NFLPA agreed to it. Henry exceeded the amount and then knowing that he had screwed the pooch he bypassed all Union grievance procedures and went straight to court. He knew that the NFLPA couldn't get him out of this so he took a last ditch effort to blow some cash on a doomed appeal, but get to make a little more coin by prolonging the inevitable.The truth is that although it isn't impossible that he'll win, it is so dang close you can't hardly tell the difference.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't assume that an appeal can't be won just because no one has won one. The arguement makes sense. Henry's still responsible for putting himself in the situation in the first place, however if they prove that the NFL is deliberately trying to eliminate the arguement about 2nd hand smoke the judge could have an issue with that.

Likely, no. Possible, sure.

The problem is that even IF this was a case of second hand smoke, I imagine the judge has heard that excuse EVERYTIME.2nd hand smoke claim is a joke.

Is it really? The CBA's definition of marijuana use is much different from the NIDA's definition. The NFL CBA defines it as 15ng/mL. The NIDA used to define it as 20ng/mL, but bumped it to 100ng/mL because of too many false positives. At 5ng/mL higher than the NFL's cutoff.The NIDA uses 50ng/mL now as the cutoff. And yes, second hand smoke can put you to Henry's level, 21ng/mL (though you'd probably have to be hotboxing a car to get that high). Many studies have been done on this.

Henry will appeal the rule itself but the players union signed the CBA and I doubt he'll avoid a suspension on these grounds. Even if he's able to sell the second hand smoke defense, he's still above the level that the union agreed would be considered marijuana use. But I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the cutoff after this.

THe problem with the second hand argument is that player are responsible for what goes into their bodies.

 

[MCguidance]

Why doesnt he take his hair into get tested if he's so adamant?

He offered to do that as well as submit to a lie detector test. Not sure if the NFL took him up on it or not.

I keep hearing this and hearing this. I want to settle this issue once and for all, and I'm not being rude, just a sick and tired Henry owner who wants this crap over with (sense my frustration?). The league enters into the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) that outlines and detials the procedures for testing for drugs, among other things. The only manner in which Henry can be tested is through the CBA. It is likely that Henry's lawyers know this and were not against Henry speaking about additional testing. It is VERY similar to the MLB testing problem. You have Gary Sheffield repeatedly (as well as Sosa, Bonds, et al) saying, "Test me right now, I'll test anywhere, anytime." Of course they will say that because they know they are not allowed to be tested independently of the CBA. They know that they can say such things because the CBA only allows specified measures for such testing procedures. So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

 

[mbuehner]

So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

I understand that, but this is also a PR battle. If I took a drug test that came back positive, I would PERSONALLY run to the most well respected toxicologist in the country and have him test my hair, which is a reliable 3 months indicator. Once it comes back negative i would throw those results on the commissioners desk and take it to every news outlet in the country. I understand that under the CBA none of that is valid or makes any difference, but defending your character is even more important than defending your job. To me, thats how an innocent person acts. They dont wait around for somebody to ask them to come for a test, go get the damned test and PROVE you are innocent- then fight the league in the court of public opinion. That way even if you lose people will know you got screwed. But Henry and all the others that make this claim never seem to do that. They dont act like innocent people act when confronted with something they didnt do.

 

[MCguidance]

So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

I understand that, but this is also a PR battle. If I took a drug test that came back positive, I would PERSONALLY run to the most well respected toxicologist in the country and have him test my hair, which is a reliable 3 months indicator. Once it comes back negative i would throw those results on the commissioners desk and take it to every news outlet in the country. I understand that under the CBA none of that is valid or makes any difference, but defending your character is even more important than defending your job. To me, thats how an innocent person acts. They dont wait around for somebody to ask them to come for a test, go get the damned test and PROVE you are innocent- then fight the league in the court of public opinion. That way even if you lose people will know you got screwed. But Henry and all the others that make this claim never seem to do that. They dont act like innocent people act when confronted with something they didnt do.

"To me, thats how an innocent person acts."In my opinion that is how someone acts when they are up against a wall -- not because they are innocent. Not to bring up baseball again, but Sheffield, Bonds, and Sosa knew that they could defend their character without having to risk more testing, so they started saying all that "test me" stuff knowing full well hey could hide behind the CBA. The same is true here with Henry.

 

[mbuehner]

So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

I understand that, but this is also a PR battle. If I took a drug test that came back positive, I would PERSONALLY run to the most well respected toxicologist in the country and have him test my hair, which is a reliable 3 months indicator. Once it comes back negative i would throw those results on the commissioners desk and take it to every news outlet in the country. I understand that under the CBA none of that is valid or makes any difference, but defending your character is even more important than defending your job. To me, thats how an innocent person acts. They dont wait around for somebody to ask them to come for a test, go get the damned test and PROVE you are innocent- then fight the league in the court of public opinion. That way even if you lose people will know you got screwed. But Henry and all the others that make this claim never seem to do that. They dont act like innocent people act when confronted with something they didnt do.

"To me, thats how an innocent person acts."In my opinion that is how someone acts when they are up against a wall -- not because they are innocent. Not to bring up baseball again, but Sheffield, Bonds, and Sosa knew that they could defend their character without having to risk more testing, so they started saying all that "test me" stuff knowing full well hey could hide behind the CBA. The same is true here with Henry.

AGAIN, i am not saying they should demand to be tested. They should go get THEMSELVES tested and prove to the world they are innocent. Its a misnomer that guilty people yell and scream and beat their fists that they are innocent, guilty people usually snipe and dance around the issues and equivocate. Innocent people pound their shoe on the desk. If you were accused of some hideous crime that you didnt commit and DNA could exhonerate you, would you wait for the police to do it if they were dragging their feet? I'd go to the most well thought of doctor in the field and do it myself. I wouldnt let me reputation drag in the mud for a second longer than necessary, and certainly wouldnt be dancing around with the powers that be.

 

[MCguidance]

So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

I understand that, but this is also a PR battle. If I took a drug test that came back positive, I would PERSONALLY run to the most well respected toxicologist in the country and have him test my hair, which is a reliable 3 months indicator. Once it comes back negative i would throw those results on the commissioners desk and take it to every news outlet in the country. I understand that under the CBA none of that is valid or makes any difference, but defending your character is even more important than defending your job. To me, thats how an innocent person acts. They dont wait around for somebody to ask them to come for a test, go get the damned test and PROVE you are innocent- then fight the league in the court of public opinion. That way even if you lose people will know you got screwed. But Henry and all the others that make this claim never seem to do that. They dont act like innocent people act when confronted with something they didnt do.

"To me, thats how an innocent person acts."In my opinion that is how someone acts when they are up against a wall -- not because they are innocent. Not to bring up baseball again, but Sheffield, Bonds, and Sosa knew that they could defend their character without having to risk more testing, so they started saying all that "test me" stuff knowing full well hey could hide behind the CBA. The same is true here with Henry.

AGAIN, i am not saying they should demand to be tested. They should go get THEMSELVES tested and prove to the world they are innocent. Its a misnomer that guilty people yell and scream and beat their fists that they are innocent, guilty people usually snipe and dance around the issues and equivocate. Innocent people pound their shoe on the desk. If you were accused of some hideous crime that you didnt commit and DNA could exhonerate you, would you wait for the police to do it if they were dragging their feet? I'd go to the most well thought of doctor in the field and do it myself. I wouldnt let me reputation drag in the mud for a second longer than necessary, and certainly wouldnt be dancing around with the powers that be.

OK, I am probably missing something but all I am saying is that if he is guilty why would he demand it when he could merely say he demands it when he knows full well that he is protected by the CBA. I agree with you, if he is innocent he should do it independently. If he is guilty, he could say he is going to do it but actually do nothing and then say he couldn't do it because of the CBA. Oh well, the guy has been a disappointment any which way you slice it.

 

[beaglemac]

Henry Court Update

November 07 01:21 PM

Attorney's for the NFL have asked the court to throw out the case agianst Travis Henry, something that the Henry team expected.

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Fantasy Spin:

Jeez, now the league is stadning up for guys like Henry? This is part of the process, and it was expected. It still looks like Henry's case won't be decided until the end of the month, though it could drag out past that point.

That is what I just saw today. Bottom of the page, not sure how reliable.

 

[spurs44]

So Henry can say all he wants about submitting his additional hair samples, legally, the league can't do that.

I understand that, but this is also a PR battle. If I took a drug test that came back positive, I would PERSONALLY run to the most well respected toxicologist in the country and have him test my hair, which is a reliable 3 months indicator. Once it comes back negative i would throw those results on the commissioners desk and take it to every news outlet in the country. I understand that under the CBA none of that is valid or makes any difference, but defending your character is even more important than defending your job. To me, thats how an innocent person acts. They dont wait around for somebody to ask them to come for a test, go get the damned test and PROVE you are innocent- then fight the league in the court of public opinion. That way even if you lose people will know you got screwed. But Henry and all the others that make this claim never seem to do that. They dont act like innocent people act when confronted with something they didnt do.

"To me, thats how an innocent person acts."In my opinion that is how someone acts when they are up against a wall -- not because they are innocent. Not to bring up baseball again, but Sheffield, Bonds, and Sosa knew that they could defend their character without having to risk more testing, so they started saying all that "test me" stuff knowing full well hey could hide behind the CBA. The same is true here with Henry.

AGAIN, i am not saying they should demand to be tested. They should go get THEMSELVES tested and prove to the world they are innocent. Its a misnomer that guilty people yell and scream and beat their fists that they are innocent, guilty people usually snipe and dance around the issues and equivocate. Innocent people pound their shoe on the desk. If you were accused of some hideous crime that you didnt commit and DNA could exhonerate you, would you wait for the police to do it if they were dragging their feet? I'd go to the most well thought of doctor in the field and do it myself. I wouldnt let me reputation drag in the mud for a second longer than necessary, and certainly wouldnt be dancing around with the powers that be.

OK, I am probably missing something but all I am saying is that if he is guilty why would he demand it when he could merely say he demands it when he knows full well that he is protected by the CBA. I agree with you, if he is innocent he should do it independently. If he is guilty, he could say he is going to do it but actually do nothing and then say he couldn't do it because of the CBA. Oh well, the guy has been a disappointment any which way you slice it.

I always used to laugh at all the people that would get sucked up in the whirlpool of the Denver shannighans every year concerning the rb's, and now I know what it feels like as I drafted Henry in the 2nd rd of a 12 team redraft league. What a mess! I am stuck with him now and can't get anybody to trade for him. Can you blame them? I hope now that he's innocent if only for the dozen kids he's paying child support for. Do any of you guys take a players crime history or character before determining if you're going to draft him or not? Even if he's a stud?