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[glvsav37]

Looking for your take on this.

My 14 year old son plays travel Ice hockey. Most rinks have a streaming service called LiveBarn that you could subscribe to to watch games when we couldn’t be there or for out of state relatives.

Recently his organization was acquired by a youth hockey holding company (yes they have them) called Black Bear/AHF who owns many youth teams and rinks now.

Now we find out that BB will be creating their own streaming service to replace Live Barn which in itself isn’t all that bad. But we found this provision in their regulations.

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Basically they are staying it is illegal for anyone to live stream their kids games. I have been the team videographer since covid where I would broadcast the game to the parents out in the parking lot.

But what troubles me more is they seem to be banning ALL recording of these youth games by parents.

My biggest beef over this is that I have tons of footage on my son and we have been in situations where future coaches wanted to see video of him for certain reasons. Any sports parent knows that you usually need to put highlight packages together for colleges and such.

how can any organization tell me that I can’t record my own kid? I can understand the streaming but there are times when my wife can’t make a game and would watch it afterward. We would also use the footage for coaching meetings.

This all seems so wrong and overbearing.

What do the lawyers think about this ban on personal recording. Same for sports parents.

 

[houston]

They’ll soon realize it’s not worth the fight. Bands used to think that they could restrict fans from using their phones to record concerts.

I wouldn’t worry much about it. I’ve had many college coaches tell me that no one cares about the video or stats of a 15 year old kid. Unless your kid is the next Gretzky.

 

[glvsav37]

They’ll soon realize it’s not worth the fight. Bands used to think that they could restrict fans from using their phones to record concerts.

I wouldn’t worry much about it. I’ve had many college coaches tell me that no one cares about the video or stats of a 15 year old kid. Unless your kid is the next Gretzky.

I think it’s the corporate audacity to tell me that I can’t record my own kid playing a sport I pay a boatload of money (to them) to play. It’s not like I’m selling the footage to ESPN or starting my own network.

 

[Skipdog77]

No idea if it's legal or not or how they would enforce it, but from what I hear Black Bear sucks all around. So glad this will be our last season of travel hockey coming up so we won't have to deal with them much, if at all. Youngest daughter will be playing her final season of 19U Tier 1 this year before she heads off to play in college in the Fall of '25. I recorded a lot of her team's games and shared them with the team parents for them to use/share as needed, and this would drive me nuts too.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Nugget]

Unsure. We weren’t allowed to record my daughter’s ballet performances. I never thought to question it and just thought they were trying to sell us a dvd of it later.

 

[ChiefD]

They’ll soon realize it’s not worth the fight. Bands used to think that they could restrict fans from using their phones to record concerts.

I wouldn’t worry much about it. I’ve had many college coaches tell me that no one cares about the video or stats of a 15 year old kid. Unless your kid is the next Gretzky.

I think it’s the corporate audacity to tell me that I can’t record my own kid playing a sport I pay a boatload of money (to them) to play. It’s not like I’m selling the footage to ESPN or starting my own network.

We have a son in hockey and one of the dad’s streams the games and its a godsend.

I would let this play out a bit. If they are gonna livestream without extra dollars to you and it saves you all the work it may be ok. And be hopeful their stream is better than Livebarns bucket of crap.

But if they charge extra I’m going to your organization for selling out to those guys. And I would kick and stream at that bullcrap.

 

[glvsav37]

Unsure. We weren’t allowed to record my daughter’s ballet performances. I never thought to question it and just thought they were trying to sell us a dvd of it later.

As a dance dad myself, yes the studio does make money off of the DVD but that’s a small business looking to gain revenue

Also it’s a distraction to the dancers and the other audience members when parents are all putting their phones up and getting in other people’s way. You know, most people have no sense of decorum.

But this is a multi million dollar company threatening us with not allowing us to record our kids playing. The rinks are huge and no one is impacted by it. In fact most rinks have a space in the stands specifically for recording equipment

 

[glvsav37]

They’ll soon realize it’s not worth the fight. Bands used to think that they could restrict fans from using their phones to record concerts.

I wouldn’t worry much about it. I’ve had many college coaches tell me that no one cares about the video or stats of a 15 year old kid. Unless your kid is the next Gretzky.

I think it’s the corporate audacity to tell me that I can’t record my own kid playing a sport I pay a boatload of money (to them) to play. It’s not like I’m selling the footage to ESPN or starting my own network.

We have a son in hockey and one of the dad’s streams the games and its a godsend.

I would let this play out a bit. If they are gonna livestream without extra dollars to you and it saves you all the work it may be ok. And be hopeful their stream is better than Livebarns bucket of crap.

But if they charge extra I’m going to your organization for selling out to those guys. And I would kick and stream at that bullcrap.

Live barn does suck. If I had a nickel for every pixel in a live barn stream, I’d have about 35 cents. Lol.

But LB is also not restricting anyone else streaming. I do it as well and my parents prefer my stream (off of my phone) to LB.

Now I get that if BB is going to invest in this platform. That they would want to limit personal streaming, but 1 make the product so much better that people would prefer that over another live stream. And 2 don’t take my rights away to just record my kid for personal reasons.

Trust me, I would love to be able to just be a dad and not watch a live game through a 7 inch phone. But I do it for my own reasons and that’s no one’s right to take away from me.

 

[glvsav37]

No idea if it's legal or not or how they would enforce it, but from what I hear Black Bear sucks all around. So glad this will be our last season of travel hockey coming up so we won't have to deal with them much, if at all. Youngest daughter will be playing her final season of 19U Tier 1 this year before she heads off to play in college in the Fall of '25. I recorded a lot of her team's games and shared them with the team parents for them to use/share as needed, and this would drive me nuts too.

Best of luck to you.

Yea. BB has a very bad reputation with the mid to lower tier teams and parents. I was very upset when our org sold out to them. But my son loves his team and wants to keep playing there.

Good luck to your daughter this year. 19u is a long time of playing hockey.

 

[Ron Popeil]

It doesn't read to me as if they're restricting recording, just broadcasting. Not legal advice, get what you pay for, yada yada.

 

[Skipdog77]

No idea if it's legal or not or how they would enforce it, but from what I hear Black Bear sucks all around. So glad this will be our last season of travel hockey coming up so we won't have to deal with them much, if at all. Youngest daughter will be playing her final season of 19U Tier 1 this year before she heads off to play in college in the Fall of '25. I recorded a lot of her team's games and shared them with the team parents for them to use/share as needed, and this would drive me nuts too.

Best of luck to you.

Yea. BB has a very bad reputation with the mid to lower tier teams and parents. I was very upset when our org sold out to them. But my son loves his team and wants to keep playing there.

Good luck to your daughter this year. 19u is a long time of playing hockey.

Thanks. She's 17, so it's like first season of 18U on the youth (boys) side. Girls don't have "18u" after 16u, they have it as "19u". Why the difference, who knows. Our older son played through 18u, so we've been doing this awhile. Been a fun ride though.

Totally get your son's position too. My son played Tier 2 (AA), and was never interested in moving up as he wanted to stay in the local org and play with his buddies, rather than travel an hour to an hour and half each way for practices, etc., and he knew he wasn't interested in playing juniors for 2-3 years before college. We left it up to them to decide what their own level of dedication was, and it worked out for the best for both of them.

Good luck to your son and his team this season!

 

[Skipdog77]

It doesn't read to me as if they're restricting recording, just broadcasting. Not legal advice, get what you pay for, yada yada.

Not sure I agree, the first line states "It is illegal to video any games in the AHF". To me that would mean not only streaming/broadcasting, but even just recording it.

Again, not sure of the legality of the whole thing, but this is what happens when private equity firms try to monopolize youth sports. Buy the rinks, raise ice costs. force local associations to hand over control of their orgs or find somewhere else to play, raise season fees, kick out a service with 4k arenas (Livebarn) to replace it with their own that they will charge parents/players extra for, and restrict any activities that they could make money on. It's kind of gross.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

It doesn't read to me as if they're restricting recording, just broadcasting. Not legal advice, get what you pay for, yada yada.

Not sure I agree, the first line states "It is illegal to video any games in the AHF". To me that would mean not only streaming/broadcasting, but even just recording it.

Again, not sure of the legality of the whole thing, but this is what happens when private equity firms try to monopolize youth sports. Buy the rinks, raise ice costs. force local associations to hand over control of their orgs or find somewhere else to play, raise season fees, kick out a service with 4k arenas (Livebarn) to replace it with their own that they will charge parents/players extra for, and restrict any activities that they could make money on. It's kind of gross.

Maybe y'all can go the way of the NCAA and get paid for your kids' performances. After all, BB will be making money on their labor.

 

[glvsav37]

It doesn't read to me as if they're restricting recording, just broadcasting. Not legal advice, get what you pay for, yada yada.

Not sure I agree, the first line states "It is illegal to video any games in the AHF". To me that would mean not only streaming/broadcasting, but even just recording it.

Again, not sure of the legality of the whole thing, but this is what happens when private equity firms try to monopolize youth sports. Buy the rinks, raise ice costs. force local associations to hand over control of their orgs or find somewhere else to play, raise season fees, kick out a service with 4k arenas (Livebarn) to replace it with their own that they will charge parents/players extra for, and restrict any activities that they could make money on. It's kind of gross.

Maybe y'all can go the way of the NCAA and get paid for your kids' performances. After all, BB will be making money on their labor.

I declare that my 14yo son will be entering the portal.

 

[Todem]

They can **** off.

 

[glvsav37]

They can **** off.

Is that a legally sound recommendation?

 

[Todem]

They can **** off.

Is that a legally sound recommendation?

No it’s not….but they can still **** off.