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Lawyer Milloy released (1 Viewer)

5) If it is a foregone conclusion that you will lose Milloy next year, then NE would like to see what they have before the draft. How high a pick they will need to use next year on a safety?
It's pretty sad when your team is already looking ahead for the draft in week 1.
I don't think so.Sustained success in the NFL requires a constant juggling of short term and long term goals and metculous salary cap management. Good players get cut, especially big ticket ones that appear to be on the downside of their career. Stephen Davis was cut. How many times has Rod Woodson been cut? I really don't think that they will be any worse in coverage with whoever starts than they would be with Milloy and Harrison. I think Belichick simply decided that he did not have enough speed in the secondary. Add in that Milloy would not renegotiate and had a monster salary coming up, he was the odd man out.
 
Will Milloy face Pats in Week 1? Could standout strong safety Lawyer Milloy actually line up against his former team in Sunday's regular season opener? Don't bet against it. Armed with Drew Bledsoe's endorsement, the Buffalo Bills have already contacted Milloy's representatives and made an opening contract proposal, ESPN.com has learned.The Patriots and Bills meet in Buffalo Sunday in what already is seen as a key matchup of AFC East contenders.Several teams may interested in Milloy, a top safety and respected locker room presence. A few might hesitate to sign Milloy, 29, before this wekend, since "vested" veterans have their base salaries guaranteed on opening day, but Buffalo wants to complete a deal quickly if the financial numbers are right."We'd sign him right now and play him on Sunday," said a high-ranking team official. The current Buffalo starters, Coy Wire and Pierson Priloeau, are solid defenders but not in Milloy's class. The two did not have an interception between them in 2002.--Len Pasquarelli yup he is right now for all bills fans lets pray :lol: and for jets,dolphins and pats fan o well

 
Stephen Davis was cut.
Of course, Stephen Davis was cut way back early in the offseason to open up cap room to sign other quality players. Milloy was apparently cut just out of spite, with NE getting nobody in return.That's a pretty significant difference, I would say.Oh and by the way I will :rotflmao: if Buffalo signs Milloy. Who would have ever imagined that NE would be kind enough to give us a pro-bowler to fill a gaping hole on our team? Oh wait, you did that before, never mind.
 
nah the funny thing is that the bills strive off the success of new england players, they admire us and therefore have to pick up any scrubs we drop

 
If the Bills are able to pull this off, that should give them a pretty significant advantage over the Patriots in week 1. Won't he know practically their entire defensive game plan? :rotflmao: @ Bill Belicheck!

 
nah the funny thing is that the bills strive off the success of new england players, they admire us and therefore have to pick up any scrubs we drop
Bledsoe and Milloy are scrubs?Patriots fans are so clueless sometimes.
 
milloy is going downhill and brady is better than bledsoe, they arent cinci scrubs, but yea I consider them of lesser ability than what we have at the time of the releases

 
don't the pats have washinton and a. smith, former bills? hmmm.... former not good bills

 
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Oh and by the way I will :rotflmao: if Buffalo signs Milloy. Who would have ever imagined that NE would be kind enough to give us a pro-bowler to fill a gaping hole on our team? Oh wait, you did that before, never mind.
How'd that work out for you last year, anyways?
 
milloy is going downhill and brady is better than bledsoe, they arent cinci scrubs, but yea I consider them of lesser ability than what we have at the time of the releases
if you think the player they replace Milloy with will be better than him, then you are clearly not connected to reality.Bledsoe vs Brady is debatable as to who is better.Lawyer Milloy vs Antwain Harris or Chris Akins is simply laughable.
 
Milloy was apparently cut just out of spite, with NE getting nobody in return.That's a pretty significant difference, I would say.Oh and by the way I will :rotflmao: if Buffalo signs Milloy. Who would have ever imagined that NE would be kind enough to give us a pro-bowler to fill a gaping hole on our team? Oh wait, you did that before, never mind.
You don't get players when you cut- you free up space. NExt year looks dreadful in term of cap hits for NE. It is a money thing. This is no different from the Brian Griese cut, or any other post June cut that spreads the payment over 2 years.Milloy did not play at pro bowl level last year. You cannot have a safety making 4 million that is not dominant. Milloy may return to dominance, but he was he was not last year. Wait on the laughter until both the Bills sign him, and he performs at a level equal to his salary.Finally, Lawyer Milloy is simply a historical name to people on this board. How many people watched game film and evaluated his play, based on the NE defensive scheme? Few people on this board, though they fancy themselves experts, have watched him practice recently. Few, if any, would know if he had lost a step, how he is moving, and how he has been acting during this contract situation. I am not saying I expected this, I am simply saying that the reality of the salary cap makes it understandable to me.
 
If the Bills are able to pull this off, that should give them a pretty significant advantage over the Patriots in week 1. Won't he know practically their entire defensive game plan? :rotflmao: @ Bill Belicheck!
Usually, the coaches present the gameplan to the team on Tuesday.Milloy would not know the gameplan yet.
 
If the Bills are able to pull this off, that should give them a pretty significant advantage over the Patriots in week 1. Won't he know practically their entire defensive game plan? :rotflmao: @ Bill Belicheck!
Usually, the coaches present the gameplan to the team on Tuesday.Milloy would not know the gameplan yet.
even during the preseason? I'm sure they've been preparing for the season opener instead of preparing for preseason games.
 
even during the preseason? I'm sure they've been preparing for the season opener instead of preparing for preseason games.
I don't think so. The coaching staff has been working on the first four games, bu I don't think any specific game plan is brought to the players until the Tuesday before the game.
 
The Bills had our offensive scheme w/ Bledsoe a year ago, and they still lost 2x. I can't see the Bills signing Milloy, or anybody at this point in the season. Not many teams have the cap room to pick up a $5,000,000 salary, plus a signing bonus, the day after the cut to 53. Am I happy to see this force cut? Absolutely not. But, the reality is that he missed many tackles last year as the last line of defense. You can't pay the money he was getting for missed tackles. Que sera sera. We have some cap room available should we need to pick up a player through the season. On, and for those of you ecstatic to see Bledsoe. Look at his game 1-6 numbers in any season, and notice the roughly 30% dropoff in those numbers for games 11-16. Get used to his performance from last year. He fades as the season progresses. He's still better than probably 20 of the QB's in the NFL, but that late season swoon always irritated me. That's your baggage now though.

 
I can't see the Bills signing Milloy, or anybody at this point in the season. Not many teams have the cap room to pick up a $5,000,000 salary, plus a signing bonus, the day after the cut to 53.
Teams don't have anything to pick up. He's a free agent now and several teams have rather large amounts of cap space yet. The Vikings have something close to $10 million in cap space by all reports but regardless, any sort of deal can usually be made to fit under any kind of cap situation.
 
don't be surprised to find the godfather involved.he's still pissed about the "tuck" we need a safetyplayers want to play hererice, romo, brown, woodson are all calling him right now.salary cap...who cares, we must win nowwoodson, buchannon cb's :excited: woodson, malloy safety's :excited: i love it!!!!make it happen you freak in a jumpsuit! :banned:

 
The Vikes have $10 freaking million left to spend. Spend it Red you cheap kfajaskjl jfafp foirjpa rqwep[rjo erkjkfeoff akfp;earokf. Spend it you cheap fjksa0ow;pcvk alkflwamwaka aslafkl;a f;lapaw[. Thats all I have to say about that.

 
Man the IDP guys should be lovin this to death. This has to be the longest thread about a defensiv player on the main board.

 
The Vikes have $10 freaking million left to spend. Spend it Red you cheap kfajaskjl jfafp foirjpa rqwep[rjo erkjkfeoff akfp;earokf. Spend it you cheap fjksa0ow;pcvk alkflwamwaka aslafkl;a f;lapaw[. Thats all I have to say about that.
Milloy will likely sign with a contender. The Vikes are still a couple years away, whereas the Bills are quickly emerging as a top contender. Add in the revenge factor, and his reported close friendship with Drew Bledsoe and it makes it an even easier decision for him.
 
Milloy will likely sign with a contender. The Vikes are still a couple years away, whereas the Bills are quickly emerging as a top contender. Add in the revenge factor, and his reported close friendship with Drew Bledsoe and it makes it an even easier decision for him.
Put Milloy in that secondary and the Vikings ARE contenders! They are weak in the secondary and adding a pro-bowler there, replacing a second year guy would plug that hole. If the running game is half-way decent and we can sign Milloy...It will be a good year to wear purple. :yes:
 
Too bad he already signed with Buffalo
where is the link?I checked buffalobills.com, nfl.com, kffl.com, and a few others, and have not seen it yet. I did see a site in the other thread, but it is not an official site.
 
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if you think the player they replace Milloy with will be better than him, then you are clearly not connected to reality.Bledsoe vs Brady is debatable as to who is better.Lawyer Milloy vs Antwain Harris or Chris Akins is simply laughable.
It is you who are in need of a reality check.Maybe it is news to you but Harrison has already replaced Milloy.NE (and I) would have preffered to keep him another year but Milloy couldn't accept a backup role or a backups pay. Check out his stats from last year and get back to me.One of Harris or Akins will likely play Free Safety but that would have happened whether Milloy was around or not.As far as Brady and Bledsoe are concerned IMO there is no debate but I can understand why some might still need to see Bledsoe repeat his 2nd half performance from last year before they accept what I already know for a fact from following him for the last 10 years.
 
where is the link?I checked buffalobills.com, nfl.com, kffl.com, and a few others, and have not seen it yet. I did see a site in the other thread, but it is not an official site.
Maybe not the best soure. But it was on the Bloggler.http://billsbillspage.com/index.shtml#1062531430Moments ago BillsReport.com learned that Lawyer Milloy has agreed to a verbal agreement with the Buffalo Bills. Details are sketchy but we believe it is around a 3-5 year deal. We are currently looking further into the NFL for more information!
 
where is the link?I checked buffalobills.com, nfl.com, kffl.com, and a few others, and have not seen it yet. I did see a site in the other thread, but it is not an official site.
Maybe not the best soure. But it was on the Bloggler.http://billsbillspage.com/index.shtml#1062531430Moments ago BillsReport.com learned that Lawyer Milloy has agreed to a verbal agreement with the Buffalo Bills. Details are sketchy but we believe it is around a 3-5 year deal. We are currently looking further into the NFL for more information!
That was the link I saw...not saying it is not true, but would like to see some of the other sites report it as well.ESPN is hinting at it though. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1607817
 
if you think the player they replace Milloy with will be better than him, then you are clearly not connected to reality.Bledsoe vs Brady is debatable as to who is better.Lawyer Milloy vs Antwain Harris or Chris Akins is simply laughable.
It is you who are in need of a reality check.Maybe it is news to you but Harrison has already replaced Milloy.NE (and I) would have preffered to keep him another year but Milloy couldn't accept a backup role or a backups pay. Check out his stats from last year and get back to me.One of Harris or Akins will likely play Free Safety but that would have happened whether Milloy was around or not.As far as Brady and Bledsoe are concerned IMO there is no debate but I can understand why some might still need to see Bledsoe repeat his 2nd half performance from last year before they accept what I already know for a fact from following him for the last 10 years.
funny, because all the reports I heard during the preseason were that Harrison and Milloy were BOTH going to be starting for New England. I don't recall reading that Milloy was going to be a backup or that the Patriots felt he should be paid like a backup.Keep believing he has nothing left...we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
How psyched am I if this is true!!! Note to the obnoxious Pats fans that surrounded me in my own stadium last year - times will be tough when we double your score this year...and I'm curious to see how many of you make the trek to Buffalo after a non-SuperBowl year, fair-weather-fans of Boston...... :P

 
funny, because all the reports I heard during the preseason were that Harrison and Milloy were BOTH going to be starting for New England. I don't recall reading that Milloy was going to be a backup or that the Patriots felt he should be paid like a backup.Keep believing he has nothing left...we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Not to doubt one of my fellow NE fans, but the Pats were planning to play Lawyer Milloy at SS and Rodney Harrison at FS. I did not see Milloy in a backup role this year.I think if the Pats were looking to do this, they should have traded him instead of dropping him. I was originally wondering if this was just a move to force Milloy's hand bargain. I think it will backfire.
 
How psyched am I if this is true!!! Note to the obnoxious Pats fans that surrounded me in my own stadium last year - times will be tough when we double your score this year...and I'm curious to see how many of you make the trek to Buffalo after a non-SuperBowl year, fair-weather-fans of Boston...... :P
I will not be making the trek this year, but four of my friends are...far from fair weather!
 
Maybe not the best soure. But it was on the Bloggler.http://billsbillspage.com/index.shtml#1062531430Moments ago BillsReport.com learned that Lawyer Milloy has agreed to a verbal agreement with the Buffalo Bills. Details are sketchy but we believe it is around a 3-5 year deal. We are currently looking further into the NFL for more information!
I'm a Bills homer and I put zero credibility into that site. Read their boards. It's one or 2 guys pimping themselves up for national exposure. I'll believe it when I see it, and hope he does sign, but I don't buy this "Brian H's" insider info.
 
For those of you wondering why the Pats didn't just trade Milloy, a deal would have made their cap situation WORSE not better. When a guy like Milloy gets traded, the team dealing him assumes the ENTIRE cap hit plus an escalator. Releasing him allows them to lessen the hit to some extent.Take Brian Griese for example.Denver signed Griese to a six-year, $39 million contract in April of 2001, with that deal including a club-record $12.6 million signing bonus. There were four years left on that contract and releasing him lessened their cap hit.If the Broncos had traded Griese, he would have still counted about $9.26 million against the team's 2003 salary cap. That would be a cap increase of nearly $2 million more than his current $7.265 million cap value.

 
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For those of you wondering why the Pats didn't just trade Milloy, a deal would have made their cap situation WORSE not better. When a guy like Milloy gets traded, the team dealing him assumes the ENTIRE cap hit plus an escalator. Releasing him allows them to lessen the hit to some extent.Take Brian Griese for example.Denver signed Griese to a six-year, $39 million contract in April of 2001, with that deal including a club-record $12.6 million signing bonus. There were four years left on that contract and releasing him lessened their cap hit.If the Broncos had traded Griese, he would have still counted about $9.26 million against the team's 2003 salary cap. That would be a cap increase of nearly $2 million more than his current $7.265 million cap value.
Thanks Workhorse, I was looking that up on ESPN.from espn:Why trades aren't happening: Often, it's because of that pro-rated signing bonus hit. Unlike releasing a player, there is no way that a team trading a player can delay taking a salary cap hit. Once a player is traded, the remaining pro-ration is moved into that season. The same standard applies if a player released on waivers is acquired in a waiver claim. Through most of the year, this only applied to players who haven't qualified for unrestricted free agency -- those players who haven't been through four NFL seasons. Waiver claims move up the cap hit immediately. The trading deadline begins Feb. 28.
 
As a Patriots fan I was shocked to see this happen but frankly I totally understand it. The team had been working with Milloy's agent since December to come to an agreement on a renegotiation. He not only refused to rework the deal, but he switched agents to someone known for this type of dealing. The Pats are sending a very clear message not only to Milloy but to the team that they won't play this game. Good for them. Milloy has been a terrific player for them, but there's no way that he deserves to be the highest paid safety in the league when he's not the best. Period.

 
if you think the player they replace Milloy with will be better than him, then you are clearly not connected to reality.Bledsoe vs Brady is debatable as to who is better.Lawyer Milloy vs Antwain Harris or Chris Akins is simply laughable.
It is you who are in need of a reality check.Maybe it is news to you but Harrison has already replaced Milloy.NE (and I) would have preffered to keep him another year but Milloy couldn't accept a backup role or a backups pay. Check out his stats from last year and get back to me.One of Harris or Akins will likely play Free Safety but that would have happened whether Milloy was around or not.As far as Brady and Bledsoe are concerned IMO there is no debate but I can understand why some might still need to see Bledsoe repeat his 2nd half performance from last year before they accept what I already know for a fact from following him for the last 10 years.
funny, because all the reports I heard during the preseason were that Harrison and Milloy were BOTH going to be starting for New England. I don't recall reading that Milloy was going to be a backup or that the Patriots felt he should be paid like a backup.Keep believing he has nothing left...we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I am not sure what the coaching staff was expected to say but the fact of the matter is Harrison is as good or better a SS as Milloy is.I never said Milloy had nothing left and in fact I am sure the team (and I) would have preferred to keep him at least another year if not longer. I am quite sure New England offerred him far more than he is going to make from anyone else but he has his pride to think about.His stat line from last year is not very impressive.65 Tackles and goose eggs for FF, FR, PFD's, Ints's and Sacks (Thems the facts!).Those numbers are easily replaced by Harrison.Free Safety is where the question mark is but that was a question mark whether we kept him or not.Good luck to Bufalo if they pick him up, they can use all the good players they can get.
 
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I'm assuming noone has any update on this :rotflmao: ? As for all the Bills bashers, we'll see who ends up where in about 16 weeks, then we'll talk....oh, yea....have you figured out which stinker RB you are starting yet on Sunday? Just curious....its not like its an important position or anything.....

 
I'm assuming noone has any update on this :rotflmao: ? As for all the Bills bashers, we'll see who ends up where in about 16 weeks, then we'll talk....oh, yea....have you figured out which stinker RB you are starting yet on Sunday? Just curious....its not like its an important position or anything.....
It all fun until the games start :football:
 
As a Patriots fan I was shocked to see this happen but frankly I totally understand it. The team had been working with Milloy's agent since December to come to an agreement on a renegotiation. He not only refused to rework the deal, but he switched agents to someone known for this type of dealing. The Pats are sending a very clear message not only to Milloy but to the team that they won't play this game. Good for them. Milloy has been a terrific player for them, but there's no way that he deserves to be the highest paid safety in the league when he's not the best. Period.
I totally agree.I believe that Milloy thought he had the leverage to impose his will on the Patriots. I think he came to the table with a hard-line "I'm not taking no pay cut and if you don't like it then cut me" attitude making it virtually impossible to work with him. Even the Poston brothers recommended that he take the cut but Lawyer held firm and refused.Definately not a pretty situation but in the end BB did what had to be done. I believe that Milloy and Law had collaborated on a plan to both hardball the Patriots. Neither one of them are interested in accepting paycuts. They both feel they're at the top of their games and deserve the contracts they have. Perhaps they are and perhaps they do. But in the NFL , a time ultimately comes when you need to work with the team you're with or you need to find another team. Milloy had a great situation here. He was a team leader on a good football team. He played in front of a community that loved him and he was the best paid safety in the NFL. Now he's got none of that.
 

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