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LB Leroy Hill (1 Viewer)

Noticed Leroy Hill didn't make the cut in Bloom's dynasty rankings. Bloom or anyone else hear something about how he is going to be deployed with JP on board. If this wasn't an oversight I assume Bloom thinks he is only going to be a 2 down backer and maybe on the strong side. I am wandering if JP goes to rush end on 3rd and they keep Hill out there as a 3 down backer? Anything coming out of Seattle on this?

 
I've seen Peterson listed as the WLB in some depth charts, but haven't heard anything official. I also expect we'll see Peterson and Tatupu as the nickel backers there.

If Hill is a 2-down SLB, his dynasty value will definitely take a big hit this year.

 
No doubt about it if Hill is a 2-down SLB his value takes a big hit. Hill was effective overall and did a good job getting to the QB last year. On the other hand Wistrom just didn't seem to be getting it done. I think the coaching staff would consider JP replacing Wistrom on 3rd with Hill remaining on the field. This should be cleared up fairly soon with teams getting back to action.

 
No doubt about it if Hill is a 2-down SLB his value takes a big hit.  Hill was effective overall and did a good job getting to the QB last year.  On the other hand Wistrom just didn't seem to be getting it done.  I think the coaching staff would consider JP replacing Wistrom on 3rd with Hill remaining on the field.  This should be cleared up fairly soon with teams getting back to action.

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since Peterson is so good in coverage and Hill showed good ability to get to the QB last year with 7.5 sacks, I'm wondering why it wouldn't be the other way around if anything.
 
Peterson's strength is on the stongside, but even then I doubt he's used as a conventional SLB. I highly doubt that he's lined up as a traditional WLB on a weekly basis, sort of defeats his value. Could having quality coverage LB's mean that they use less nickel coverage? Certainly would help against the run.

 
Noticed Leroy Hill didn't make the cut in Bloom's dynasty rankings.  Bloom or anyone else hear something about how he is going to be deployed with JP on board.  If this wasn't an oversight I assume Bloom thinks he is only going to be a 2 down backer and maybe on the strong side.  I am wandering if JP goes to rush end on 3rd and they keep Hill out there as a 3 down backer?  Anything coming out of Seattle on this?

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great question. i was assuming 2 down for Hill, but JP as a rush end could get Hill back on the field for 3rd down, or Hill's pass rush skills could keep him on the field. Definitely a situation i'll be watching. You still have to admit he's the 3rd most attractive LB there and most teams do not produce three good IDP LBs.
 
I'm mostly with you guys, but I just don't know if I can buy the Julian Peterson hype over LeRoy Hill. Peterson has always been a much better NFL player than IDP player, and I don't see why he'll do any better than before, stat-wise.

One has to imagine that Hill will be on the field on third down, because he'll either be in the nickel package as a rush guy or a linebacker (I don't exactly foresee D.D. Lewis cutting into his playing time), whichever role Peterson doesn't fill himself.

I guess what I'd say, is don't sell low on Hill just yet. I could see Peterson end up as his usual role, in SLB, blanketing the TEs and continuing to put up 3-0-0 every week.

 
In the past, Seattle OLB's were interchangable. They used a right side/left side thing as opposed to the same player liining up at will or sam every play. Looking at the gamebooks from last year... they list them just as OLB's. I'm not sure if they still do this.

 
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I could see Peterson end up as his usual role, in SLB, blanketing the TEs and continuing to put up 3-0-0 every week.

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Unfortunately it's the occasional game that he comes through with 8 solo tackles, 2 sacks a pick and two forced fumbles that we grasp onto.Consistency has been a huge fantasy issue with him over the years and I believe that's bred from his universal skills. On the field, he brings value in his ability to play near everywhere, but it's probably hard for him to get into a statistical groove.

 
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What is the latest out of seattle on leroy hill and Julian peterson and who is playing the strong and weak linebackers???? :thumbup:

 
Peterson's strength is on the stongside, but even then I doubt he's used as a conventional SLB. I highly doubt that he's lined up as a traditional WLB on a weekly basis, sort of defeats his value. Could having quality coverage LB's mean that they use less nickel coverage? Certainly would help against the run.
i'm not sure if it turns out this way, but that is what i was thinking, cracker... do you even need to trot out a teeny nickle back & banish a LB to the sidelines on certain down & distance situations... if peterson covers better than 90% of the CBs in the league (slight exaggeration)?and tatupu is already has mature and well developed coverage ability (ex-QB knows a lot about passing game tendencies, routes and how to jump them)...

because these two are so great in coverage, if there is an odd man out among LB trio on third down, i agree with those that think it is most likely hill if anybody.

 
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The Seahawks don't even have a very good #2 CB, much less a #3. You guys might be on to something. They will probably stick with their base defense more than most other teams. In fact, the Seahawks secondary overall could be a major weakness (Manuel gone, Hamlin's status up in the air, lost Dyson, etc.) this year so it will be in their best interest to be very aggressive up front on passing downs. With quality pass rushers in Fisher, Bernard, Wistrom, Hill, Tatupu, and Peterson, they can likely create lots of havoc for opposing QBs once again.

 
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I was wondering if the stat guys could show us the numbers regarding what percentage of plays in the NFL are 3rd downs, and then also what percentage of those 3rd downs are clear passing downs. ie. 3rd and long.

The projections for "2 down" LBs take such a huge hit that it almost seems as if people are taking a full 3rd of the plays away from them when there is no chance that the stats will back that up.

 
I was wondering if the stat guys could show us the numbers regarding what percentage of plays in the NFL are 3rd downs, and then also what percentage of those 3rd downs are clear passing downs. ie. 3rd and long.

The projections for "2 down" LBs take such a huge hit that it almost seems as if people are taking a full 3rd of the plays away from them when there is no chance that the stats will back that up.
I beleive a 2 down backer prolly does lose a 1/3 of the plays, or very close to it.Really, the term 2 down LB is a bit misleading. Not being on the field in nickel situations will have 2 down backers on the sidelines on first and long, 2nd long, and most 3rd downs. For the most part, they also will be spectators in the 2 minute defense.

Then ... if you have a potent offense like Indy, with opponents usually playing catch up, a 2 down backer for Indy (some games) could be lucky to see 1/3 of the plays.

 
I was wondering if the stat guys could show us the numbers regarding what percentage of plays in the NFL are 3rd downs, and then also what percentage of those 3rd downs are clear passing downs. ie. 3rd and long.

The projections for "2 down" LBs take such a huge hit that it almost seems as if people are taking a full 3rd of the plays away from them when there is no chance that the stats will back that up.
nickel packages are used in clear passing situations, which usually occur on 3rd and long, but could also be used on 1st or 2nd down depending on the situation and the offensive personnel being used. the term "2 down" LB is just shorthand for a player who plays in the base defense but not in the nickel package.might be interesting to look at the relative % of downs that would be labeled clear passing downs...but, when you factor in all the teams that regularly use 3WR formations on early downs these days, chances are those 2 down LBs are indeed seeing fewer than 67% of the total snaps.

 
Know this is kind of old. Anyone got any updates on Hill? Which position, Im seeing alot of SSL, but will he only be a 2 down back? Whats his value now in a dynasty league if this is the case? We get 15 points for sacks, so might still be worth somthing?

 
Know this is kind of old. Anyone got any updates on Hill? Which position, Im seeing alot of SSL, but will he only be a 2 down back? Whats his value now in a dynasty league if this is the case? We get 15 points for sacks, so might still be worth somthing?
Last information I've seen from a camp report by homebrumiesterHe saw Hill on the strong side -- which would hurt his value. Certainly though, any linebacker capable of more than 8 sacks like Hill has great value in that setup.

Here is a string of posts from our staff interview about Hill.

They're a little dated now, but offer a few different opinions about Hill's three down prospects.

 
Know this is kind of old. Anyone got any updates on Hill? Which position, Im seeing alot of SSL, but will he only be a 2 down back? Whats his value now in a dynasty league if this is the case? We get 15 points for sacks, so might still be worth somthing?
Last information I've seen from a camp report by homebrumiesterHe saw Hill on the strong side -- which would hurt his value. Certainly though, any linebacker capable of more than 8 sacks like Hill has great value in that setup.

Here is a string of posts from our staff interview about Hill.

They're a little dated now, but offer a few different opinions about Hill's three down prospects.
That staff interview is one of the most insightful and helpful threads ive read. thanks
 
brakeyawself said:
Jene Bramel said:
Know this is kind of old. Anyone got any updates on Hill? Which position, Im seeing alot of SSL, but will he only be a 2 down back? Whats his value now in a dynasty league if this is the case? We get 15 points for sacks, so might still be worth somthing?
Last information I've seen from a camp report by homebrumiesterHe saw Hill on the strong side -- which would hurt his value. Certainly though, any linebacker capable of more than 8 sacks like Hill has great value in that setup.

Here is a string of posts from our staff interview about Hill.

They're a little dated now, but offer a few different opinions about Hill's three down prospects.
That staff interview is one of the most insightful and helpful threads ive read. thanks
Here's hoping we get a podcast on IDPs...
 
Here's hoping we get a podcast on IDPs...
No current plans in the works for this. I'm a :loco: when it comes to the podcast terminology I hear in the FBG halls. We may work it out in the future, though.We are, however, planning a weekly IDP Roundtable to be posted every Thursday morning starting the second week of August. It'll be in the same format as our prior team interview.
 
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Just read a news blurb that said JP will likley move around a good bit on defense, including being used as a rush end. This could potentially be good news for Hill.

 
Just read a news blurb that said JP will likley move around a good bit on defense, including being used as a rush end. This could potentially be good news for Hill.
He will be all over the field, as he always has been. That's where a lot of his NFL value comes from. I would worry about Hill v. Hill before worrying about Peterson's impact.
 
Not sure I understand your post Cracker? I think Hill showed last year he is certainly capable of playing solid at the LB position and put up nice stats in the process. The move to SLB hurts if that sticks, but even worse would be only being a 2 down LB. If JP moves all round this could mean Hill isn't limited to only 2 downs.

 
Not sure I understand your post Cracker? I think Hill showed last year he is certainly capable of playing solid at the LB position and put up nice stats in the process. The move to SLB hurts if that sticks, but even worse would be only being a 2 down LB. If JP moves all round this could mean Hill isn't limited to only 2 downs.
We know that Peterson isn't coming out, so it comes down to Tatupu v. Hill as the other nickel backer. Are they comfortable with the coverage abilities of their safeties? If their base defense has the personnel to cover when the offense goes with three wide receivers, maybe we won't see them use as much nickel.Personally, I think all three will see plenty of time on third downs with Peterson acting as a rush end and in coverage at times. The flexibility that their abilities bring to the table is very valuable.
 
link:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seaha...p-5276580c.html

Hill next Pro Bowl linebacker?

MIKE SANDO; The News Tribune

Published: August 6th, 2006 01:00 AM

CHENEY – Lofa Tatupu and Julian Peterson get the attention that comes with three Pro Bowl appearances.

Leroy Hill showed Seattle Seahawks fans Saturday why he might soon be known as more than the team’s “other” starting linebacker.

The second-year pro made three tackles while holding up well in coverage as the Seahawks scrimmaged before an estimated 12,000 fans at Eastern Washington University’s Woodward Field.

Hill, 23, finished his rookie season with 71/2 sacks despite starting only nine of the 15 regular-season games he played.

“He can run, he can tackle, he can jump,” Peterson said after the scrimmage. “We’ve just got to make sure we keep him in tune and keep him focused.”

Peterson, signed in free agency after two Pro Bowls in six seasons with San Francisco, has spent extra time after practice helping Hill refine his pass-rush moves.

“He can beat them a lot easier using his technique instead of just running past people,” Peterson said. “He is a rare athlete. He can really run. He can come downhill and hit.”



Hill has lined up on both the strong and weak sides during camp. He has the speed to rush the passer, plus the power to finish tackles against receivers and running backs alike.

Unlike last year, Hill also has a full year in the system.

“Man, this camp and last camp is like night and day,” he said. “Last year, I didn’t know nothing. It was just straight freestyling. It’s just a lot smoother this year.”

Mann makes mark

Free-agent receiver Maurice Mann made the most impressive catch of the scrimmage, laying out in the end zone for a 17-yard catch from starting quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

Mann dropped several passes during the first week of camp, and he failed to make a difficult grab for another touchdown Saturday.

This one goes out to …

Coach Mike Holmgren denied responsibility for a pre-scrimmage play list featuring Rick Springfield, Joan Jett and John Mellencamp.

The 1980s fare did seem to resonate with defensive back Jimmy Williams. The veteran corner (crooner?) sang along while Joan Jett and the Blackhearts’ version of “I Love Rock N’ Roll” played during warmups.

 
I'm confused about what I should do with Leroy Hill in my Zealots League. Highly talented and just 23 years old, but is playing the SLB position. Would any of you keep him in a large dynasty league?

 
here is an excerpt from the sporting news SEA team report from 8-11-06... it directly contradicts what i had been hearing lately that peterson was lining up at WLB... though it does say that he won't necessarily follow the TE around, & confirms that he could be DE on third down & passing situations...

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/seahawks/index.html

"So what has Julian Peterson been up to at training camp? Everything. The former Pro Bowl linebacker from the 49ers, and the Seahawks' big free-agent addition on defense, appears to have fully recovered from the ruptured Achilles that ended his 2004 season and left him at less than 100 percent last season. Peterson brings speed and versatility to a Seahawks defense that needed both. He is lining up on the strong side in the base defense, but not always following the tight end when he goes in motion. He is getting into a three-point stance as the right end in the nickel, but not always rushing the passer. He is blitzing. He is covering receivers downfield. He's also making things difficult for QB Matt Hasselbeck and the rest of the Seahawks offense."

 
I'm confused about what I should do with Leroy Hill in my Zealots League. Highly talented and just 23 years old, but is playing the SLB position. Would any of you keep him in a large dynasty league?
It's only game 1. Let the pre season play out and then decide. I am.
 
Slinger said:
I'm confused about what I should do with Leroy Hill in my Zealots League. Highly talented and just 23 years old, but is playing the SLB position. Would any of you keep him in a large dynasty league?
I'm definitely holding him until the cut date, and probably into the season even if he's SLB. He's young and good, and situations change quickly.
 
Leroy is listed in the FBG depth charts as the starting weak side LB. I didn't catch the Hawks game - which side did he play on last week?

 
Leroy is listed in the FBG depth charts as the starting weak side LB. I didn't catch the Hawks game - which side did he play on last week?
It looks like a right/left thing in Seattle right now, with Peterson lining up on the right/weak side most often.
 
Leroy is listed in the FBG depth charts as the starting weak side LB. I didn't catch the Hawks game - which side did he play on last week?
...with Peterson lining up on the right/weak side most often.
:confused: Really??I thought it was the exact opposite. Unless I'm mistaken, it was my assumption that Peterson was lining-up on the TE side, but simply not shifting when/if the offense shifts.
 
Leroy is listed in the FBG depth charts as the starting weak side LB. I didn't catch the Hawks game - which side did he play on last week?
...with Peterson lining up on the right/weak side most often.
:confused: Really??I thought it was the exact opposite. Unless I'm mistaken, it was my assumption that Peterson was lining-up on the TE side, but simply not shifting when/if the offense shifts.
Honestly, I'm a little :confused: too.Sporting News has it one way, newsrags have it another. Gamebook suggests Hill started on the left side this weekend. Whether that was strong side or not is impossible to know, but it normally is, and if the backers aren't moving that may be telling.
 
They will both line up in different positions in different defenses. Still, Hill is a better IDP hands down in tackle-heavy leagues and a fine LB3 in sack/int-heavy leagues. The dudes a goodie!!!

 
link:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/281...html?source=rss

'Freakish' Hawks linebacker Peterson flaunts his versatility

By CLARE FARNSWORTH

P-I REPORTER

CHENEY -- Matt Hasselbeck has been forced to add another item to his pre-snap checklist this summer: finding No. 44.

That would be Julian Peterson, the former Pro Bowl linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers who was the Seahawks' biggest free-agent addition this offseason. Versatility always has been Peterson's forte, and nothing has changed on the practice fields at the Seahawks' Eastern Washington University training camp.

He (Peterson) will line up on the strong side in the base defense, but not always follow the tight end when he goes in motion. He will get into a three-point stance as the right end in the nickel, but not always rush the passer. He can blitz. He can drop into pass coverage.

He can make life miserable for a quarterback.

"Julian can do so many different things," said Hasselbeck, the Seahawks' Pro Bowl QB. "I know from going against him and having to prepare for him and study for him, the headache is always: How are they going to use him?

"It makes it tough to recognize him as an offensive lineman and also as a running back and quarterback," Hasselbeck added. "His versatility is pretty good."

It comes with a pretty good workload, as well. Peterson gets in the majority of his practice reps with the linebackers. But he'll also sneak over to the one-on-one pass-rush drill to take a few snaps as a down lineman, and occasionally put in some extra effort on his coverage skills.

"But I wouldn't have it any other way," Peterson said. "Not at all."

It's not only his versatility, but how well he does everything asked of him, that makes Peterson so valuable (see the seven-year, $54 million contract he signed in March; and the back-to-back Pro Bowls he was voted to in 2002-03, before a ruptured Achilles ended his 2004 season and left him at roughly 80 percent last season).

So how is it he is able to do so many things so well? For the answers, the P-I went to his teammates whose specialties comprise the total package that is Peterson.

# Playing the run -- Middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu led the team in tackles last season as a rookie, but already has gleaned something from Peterson.

"He's really good at getting off blocks and slipping them," Tatupu said. "Julian doesn't allow blockers to get into his chest. That's something I'm looking forward to taking from this camp."

Peterson's secret? "He's got a reach that's got to be 7 feet," Tatupu said. "Julian's got some arms on him."

# Rushing the passer -- Left end Bryce Fisher produced a career-high eight sacks last season, his first with the Seahawks after playing three seasons with the St. Louis Rams.

"The thing is, Julian's a freakish athlete," Fisher said. "He's a pretty long guy, so what's so impressive about him rushing the passer is the fact that he can bend his knees and get lower. He plays about 3 feet off the ground when he comes off the edge. That makes him difficult to block."

# Dropping into coverage -- Right cornerback Marcus Trufant is the Seahawks' best cover man, with more passes defensed (54) the past three seasons than anyone on the current defense.

"I'm very impressed with his coverage skills," Trufant said. "When Julian lines up out there, on a back or a wide receiver, he looks like a corner. He's got great feet, and those long arms. That helps him a lot, I'm sure."

What does Peterson most enjoy?

Earlier in his career, it was the joy of a sack. "I mean, that was a thing of beauty," said Peterson, who has 21 1/2 career sacks, including a career-high seven in 2003. "I would love sacking the quarterback."

Now? It's a fascination with dropping into coverage, and duping the quarterback into throwing in his direction.

"I love it when quarterbacks look at me and see me covering a receiver and think, 'Oh, this is a big mismatch,' " Peterson said with a smile. "I already know the ball is going to come my way, so I'm anticipating it."

It happened at Qwest Field last December, when Hasselbeck had wide receiver D.J. Hackett running wide open deep down the middle. Until, that is, Peterson came from nowhere to break up the pass.

"No way he should have been able to make that play. No way," Hasselbeck said.

One final question: What's with Peterson's number?

League rules stipulate linebackers wear numbers in the 50s or 90s. The No. 98 Peterson wore with the 49ers already belonged to defensive end Grant Wistrom. So Peterson actually requested No. 44 because, as he put it, "In my heyday I ran a 4.43 (seconds for 40 yards)."

"That's why I asked for No. 44, to remind people I could still run out there a little bit."

Peterson will get no arguments from his new teammates, especially Hasselbeck.

 
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WLB Hill's Status Uncertain

Clare Farnsworth, Seattle Post-Intelligencer - [Full Article]

WLB Leroy Hill did not practice Friday because of the pinched nerve in his neck, that he suffered during the preseason finale, and might not play against the Lions on Sunday. Holmgren said Hill's status will be a game-day decision. D.D. Lewis will start if Hill can't play.

 

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