Leadership and collusion - how would you handle this? (1 Viewer)

[APGOAT4EVA]

I participate in a dynasty league that is going through leadership turmoil.  In February our longtime commissioner announced he was retiring and named a replacement. This was a good thing as former commish changed his mind more than a 4 year old and lacks a moral compass.  

Fast forward to last week and former commissioner announces he's back in charge (he changed his mind, weird)in what could only be described as a coup.  As expected, replacement commissioner freaked because once he tasted power it turns out he liked the flavor.

 The two of them then met for power lunch to "figure things out" and at this lunch allegedly agreed to become co-commissioners in a deal that involved a player being moved between the teams.  Ie "I'll let you be do-commish if you trade me player X"

It feels to me like this shouldn't be allowed, however these two are in charge and can be major ibullies.  One said yesterday, "the two people who matter don't care if you are upset." 

What at would you recommend I do?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

If there were another league you could play in that would be a good solution. 

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Quit the league immediately. 

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

It's hard to quit when 10 of the guys are friends and I have the best team.   $2,800 in the pot each year and I have historical returned top quartile ROI's 

 

[renesauz]

It's hard to quit when 10 of the guys are friends and I have the best team.   $2,800 in the pot each year and I have historical returned top quartile ROI's 

Doesn't matter. It's crazy to remain in a league where such shenanigans can and have occurred. If you're dead set on keeping this league, then gather the other 8 or 9 un-involved owners and collectively boot the other two out.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Your commish and co-commish just colluded in a big money league---and you are wondering how you should handle things?  You should be happy about all of the money you won in that league in the past--and get the eff out before you commit one more penny to the league this upcoming season.  If you can take the other seven owners with you--my advice is to do so.   

 

[Bossman]

Doesn't matter. It's crazy to remain in a league where such shenanigans can and have occurred. If you're dead set on keeping this league, then gather the other 8 or 9 un-involved owners and collectively boot the other two out.

or better yet (and easier) you and the other "non-commissioners" should all quit and start your own league. Commishing isn't hard. I'm sure one of you could handle it.

Edit to add: you could even keep your existing rosters and draft picks. Have the 2 replacement owners redraft.

 

[Borden]

or better yet (and easier) you and the other "non-commissioners" should all quit and start your own league. Commishing isn't hard. I'm sure one of you could handle it.

Edit to add: you could even keep your existing rosters and draft picks. Have the 2 replacement owners redraft.

Nailed it. 

 

[FUBAR]

or better yet (and easier) you and the other "non-commissioners" should all quit and start your own league. Commishing isn't hard. I'm sure one of you could handle it.

Edit to add: you could even keep your existing rosters and draft picks. Have the 2 replacement owners redraft.

Exactly

 power lunch?  

 

[jeaton6]

3 questions:

1) Did they actually tell you they were doing this regarding the trade or are you just jumping to this conclusion?

2) Does the rest of the league feel this way about the issue?

3) 10 guys are friends..are the co-Commish and Commish the outsiders? Or is one or both of your friends screwing everyone?

 

[Bri]

I participate in a dynasty league that is going through leadership turmoil.  In February our longtime commissioner announced he was retiring and named a replacement. This was a good thing as former commish changed his mind more than a 4 year old and lacks a moral compass.  

Fast forward to last week and former commissioner announces he's back in charge (he changed his mind, weird)in what could only be described as a coup.  As expected, replacement commissioner freaked because once he tasted power it turns out he liked the flavor.

 The two of them then met for power lunch to "figure things out" and at this lunch allegedly agreed to become co-commissioners in a deal that involved a player being moved between the teams.  Ie "I'll let you be do-commish if you trade me player X"

It feels to me like this shouldn't be allowed, however these two are in charge and can be major ibullies.  One said yesterday, "the two people who matter don't care if you are upset." 

What at would you recommend I do?

I miss local leagues.

We would all regularly go to a bar on Sunday's to watch the game. Friday's just because.

If we had a league issue, we'd go there on a "dead night" and all sit at a few tables and hash things out. Back when wings were 10cents and life was good but I can't imagine that wouldn't still work.

Bullies and commish's egos generally get in check when everyone is sitting around. You may have to start off and say you don't think a trade for a position in league is reasonable.

Don't be the guy that calls everyone before and gets their opinions and votes. Everyone hates that guy. Talk it out in person. Your meeting, you buy first pitcher

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

3 questions:

1) Did they actually tell you they were doing this regarding the trade or are you just jumping to this conclusion?

2) Does the rest of the league feel this way about the issue?

3) 10 guys are friends..are the co-Commish and Commish the outsiders? Or is one or both of your friends screwing everyone?

1) they are trying to sweep it under the rug, however one of the owners claims to have proof.  

2) not everyone is aware yet but they will find out today at 5pm 

3) friends are screwing everyone.  

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

Doesn't matter. It's crazy to remain in a league where such shenanigans can and have occurred. If you're dead set on keeping this league, then gather the other 8 or 9 un-involved owners and collectively boot the other two out.

This won't work. The currently hold commish access

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

or better yet (and easier) you and the other "non-commissioners" should all quit and start your own league. Commishing isn't hard. I'm sure one of you could handle it.

Edit to add: you could even keep your existing rosters and draft picks. Have the 2 replacement owners redraft.

if we can avoid it, I don't believe anyone wants to lose 10 years of league history. 

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

I miss local leagues.

We would all regularly go to a bar on Sunday's to watch the game. Friday's just because.

If we had a league issue, we'd go there on a "dead night" and all sit at a few tables and hash things out. Back when wings were 10cents and life was good but I can't imagine that wouldn't still work.

Bullies and commish's egos generally get in check when everyone is sitting around. You may have to start off and say you don't think a trade for a position in league is reasonable.

Don't be the guy that calls everyone before and gets their opinions and votes. Everyone hates that guy. Talk it out in person. Your meeting, you buy first pitcher

We used to do stuff like this.  But ovah the last few years rule changes and league matters have been handled much more secretively 

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Seriously, those guys having commish access means little. I get it that you don't want to lose "history" but there comes a breaking point and you are well past it. Why couldn't you duplicate rosters on another "site" and move on?

Back in '02 a friend and I had had enough of the shenanigans pulled by a commish in the league we were in. We sat down, the two of us, made some phone calls and pulled everyone who wanted to come with us into a new league. We basically kept the same rules with some tweaks to ensure fair and honest competition. We also enacted rules to ensure the commissioner couldn't be a dictator. This "new" league is still around and heading into its 15th year. Half of the original owners are still around.

You need to move on.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

It sounds like a bad situation.  

Your integrity is worth more than money.  

If you can help out the other players by forming your own league with good leadership then do so, if you can't then move on and don't look back.

 

[Bossman]

Sounds like you have a few options but you are more likely to accept the nonsense to avoid the effort of moving on.

Just continue to take their money on a yearly basis and swallow whatever poo they spread on your bread then.

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

Sounds like you have a few options but you are more likely to accept the nonsense to avoid the effort of moving on.

Just continue to take their money on a yearly basis and swallow whatever poo they spread on your bread then.

Have I mentioned these two have won the last two league championships?  

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

It sounds like a bad situation.  

Your integrity is worth more than money.  

If you can help out the other players by forming your own league with good leadership then do so, if you can't then move on and don't look back.

It's actually a 14 team league however two of the teams are "coached" by 1 guy.  Which we allow cause he's a clue moron. During the summer of 2012 he thought RG3 was new car model. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

It's actually a 14 team league however two of the teams are "coached" by 1 guy.  Which we allow cause he's a clue moron. During the summer of 2012 he thought RG3 was new car model. 

You allow a person in your league to run two teams because he is clueless in order to take his money.  Your actions show that have compromised your integrity for money.  You reap what you sow.  Your harvest is poor and untrustworthy leadership.

Seek a league with better players and with good honest leadership.  Forgo leagues with high payouts.  Don't compromise your integrity.  

Games are supposed to be fun so have fun playing a game with the best competition to truly test your talents.  Don't make it about money. 

 

[FUBAR]

It's actually a 14 team league however two of the teams are "coached" by 1 guy.  Which we allow cause he's a clue moron. During the summer of 2012 he thought RG3 was new car model. 

And with that (along with other posts) you're showing most of the league doesn't care about things like collusion, having a fair league, and true leadership.  Do what you want but most of us would be long gone. 

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I feel silly having responded with a common sense approach to solving your problem. Your entire league is the problem. I'd wish you good luck, but you won't find it.

 

[DropKick]

You allow a person in your league to run two teams because he is clueless in order to take his money.  Your actions show that have compromised your integrity for money.  You reap what you sow.  Your harvest is poor and untrustworthy leadership.

Seek a league with better players and with good honest leadership.  Forgo leagues with high payouts.  Don't compromise your integrity.  

Games are supposed to be fun so have fun playing a game with the best competition to truly test your talents.  Don't make it about money. 

I like this a lot.

Other than some temporary situation, the idea of someone running two teams is absurd.  For sake of full disclosure, who was the player involved in the "trade" and what is the role of the commish in your league?

In general, co-commish is not a bad thing assuming the role of commish is mainly administrative.  I think the tipping point is veto power or other unilateral decision making.

 

[KingPrawn]

It's actually a 14 team league however two of the teams are "coached" by 1 guy.  Which we allow cause he's a clue moron. During the summer of 2012 he thought RG3 was new car model. 

And with that (along with other posts) you're showing most of the league doesn't care about things like collusion, having a fair league, and true leadership.  Do what you want but most of us would be long gone. 

And with that (along with his other posts) he's demonstrated that this thread isn't even worth anybody's time. He's already made up his mind and is just venting. I don't believe he has any interest in making changes or moving on.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

It's hard to quit when 10 of the guys are friends and I have the best team.   $2,800 in the pot each year and I have historical returned top quartile ROI's 

1) No, it isn't. Take the other owners minus, the two commissioners, find two other friends, and start a new league where you keep your rosters and the two friends take over the two commissioner's teams.

2) Big deal. If you guys are friends, a new league with same entry fee shouldn't be a problem

Actually, you need three new friends to start your new league because one guy should never have two teams

 

[Ghost Rider]

Leave that league immediately. 

 

[cockroach]

 One said yesterday, "the two people who matter don't care if you are upset." 

What at would you recommend I do?

Quit this league and find new friends. 

People like that will destroy your life, even if inadvertently . 

Don't make an announcement, just slip off. 

 

[Skipdog77]

Keep making excuses about why you can't do anything but bend over and take it from these two guys, contrary to the sage advice of the Shark Pool.

That'll help.

 

[steelers1080]

I'm guessing you will probably stay in the league since it sounds like you didn't really want to leave, you mainly wanted to just complain about what happened.

In our league you can't trade a player unless it's for another player or picks.  Trading for things outside the world of fantasy football is strictly prohibited.  Once that starts it's a slippery slope.  I would have vetoed this, no question. 

In your situation I would talk to the other owners and see how they feel about the situation.  If they agree that it's f***ed up then you form a group and go to the Commishes.  You say "Hey As**oles.  You retired (to first guy).  You're the commish now (to second guy).  You can't give him a player to be co-commish.  That's Bulls***.  If you do this, we're leaving so you'll have a league of 2 (or 3 if that 2-team idiot stays).  Stop being shady.  Make all league changes in the open."

Problem solved.  There's no way that they want to blow up the league, especially if they won the last 2 years.  They are just going to push it further and further until someone stops them, that's what happens when someone is corrupt (which is what's happening).  This may seem small, especially if the player transferred was like Jeremy Kerley or some BS player like that.  But it won't stop there.  A couple seasons from now there will be even more back-room deals and you'll be losing money without realizing it.  Better to nip it in the bud now.

 

[Godsbrother]

 One said yesterday, "the two people who matter don't care if you are upset." 

Must be a pretty big richard to say that.    I'd rather not play fantasy at all than be in league with that guy.

 

[steelers1080]

Must be a pretty big richard to say that.    I'd rather not play fantasy at all than be in league with that guy.

I could see saying this in a trade, but definitely not in this situation of collusion.  There's been trades in my league that look like bad trades, and people complained a ton.  The response was basically, "We can trade how we see fit, so buzz off."  This situation?  Completely different and totally agree with you.  They're basically cheating and saying it's nunya beeswax.

 

[wakelawyer]

This won't work. The currently hold commish access

If the site is on MFL, MFL should be able to create a mirror site for you if you explain the situation to them.  I've been in a few leagues where we had to take control away from a commish and MFL was very helpful.  

 

[Chadstroma]

I would voice my displeasure and feeling that this is something that ought not be allowed for the integrity of the league. If I had push back then I would explain that I felt strongly enough that it would be a league I would choose to not be in unless it was corrected. If still nothing was done, I would leave.

I have only had two situations at all similar. One was the first fantasy football league that I was ever in and commished. It was started back in 2000 but by about 2011 there was a few owners who seemed to take enjoyment out of making my life hell as a commish. So, I stepped down and let someone else take over. The drama didn't stop so a couple of years later- I left the league. It was hard in one way because it was my baby and I really liked (others did too) the somewhat unique set up of the league but it was just no longer fun for me. I left behind a team that was championship caliber. But fantasy sports are about enjoying something and why do it if you are not enjoying it? No reason to have drama from them.

In another league, I had a situation where the commish put in a new rule in regards to trades. It basically barred trading draft picks further than 2 years in the future. I worked a deal literally a few days before draft day that gave me picks for that draft and 1st rounders in the next two drafts. As I read the rule (and others) it was within the rules. However, the commish held the position that it did not and that I could only trade for the following drafts the day AFTER the draft in a few days. I felt strongly that it was reading into the rules more than what the rule said and somewhat felt that there was some bias in the ruling. In the end, it was agreed that that trade would be allowed and the language clarified to not allow a similar trade in the future.

Moral of the stories? If you are in a league of people who make things hard there is no reason to be in that league. If you can hammer it out rationally with limited drama- then make it work.

 

[Pwingles]

get yourself and the other 9 together, copy your rosters into another league, boot the other two out/start another league, hold a dispersal to replace their teams

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Why don't you commish a new league with the "moron" managing the other 13 teams?

 

[WheelsUp]

seems like you are being a bit dramatic. lots of leagues have issues, i have a commish who is the least active person ever but he pays on time and runs fair. if its fun and you get paid and every thing is ran fairly whats the problem? power lunch? old commish wants back in, let him.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

But ovah the last few years rule changes and league matters have been handled much more secretively 

The bolded bugged me to not want to bother responding to the actual initial post.

 

[GregR]

What others have said.  Take the remaining ethical owners and create a new league and repopulate the rosters to match how they stand today, and then find 2 new owners to replace the old commissioners as team owners..

Speaking of which, I'd go into the league and save a copy of the rosters, draft picks, league history, and anything else you want, right now.  So these guys can't go nuke the site before you extract the info you'd need to recreate the league without them.

 

[domvin]

Was it ever disclosed what the compensation was?

Only way I stay in the league, is to allow the main commish, and then incorporate 2 co commishes.   vote on a new co commish.    All rules and laws must be reviewed by trio of commishes.   If the other 2 overrule you constantly, then you know its a duck and its quacking collusion.    Leave and form your own league.

Lets be honest.....commishing is a painin the ###, the only reason someone wants to commish is bc they have the time to do it, not a power or ego thing. Smells bad here brother....

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

Was it ever disclosed what the compensation was?

Only way I stay in the league, is to allow the main commish, and then incorporate 2 co commishes.   vote on a new co commish.    All rules and laws must be reviewed by trio of commishes.   If the other 2 overrule you constantly, then you know its a duck and its quacking collusion.    Leave and form your own league.

Lets be honest.....commishing is a painin the ###, the only reason someone wants to commish is bc they have the time to do it, not a power or ego thing. Smells bad here brother....

Compensation was Fleener 

 

[Ruffrodys05]

That's it? No other posts you want to comment on or reply to?

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

I like this a lot.

Other than some temporary situation, the idea of someone running two teams is absurd.  For sake of full disclosure, who was the player involved in the "trade" and what is the role of the commish in your league?

In general, co-commish is not a bad thing assuming the role of commish is mainly administrative.  I think the tipping point is veto power or other unilateral decision making.

One person doesn't "technically" run both franchises.  

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

Was it ever disclosed what the compensation was?

Only way I stay in the league, is to allow the main commish, and then incorporate 2 co commishes.   vote on a new co commish.    All rules and laws must be reviewed by trio of commishes.   If the other 2 overrule you constantly, then you know its a duck and its quacking collusion.    Leave and form your own league.

Lets be honest.....commishing is a painin the ###, the only reason someone wants to commish is bc they have the time to do it, not a power or ego thing. Smells bad here brother....

new guy wants to be commissioner so he can hand out fines and be in charge.  He attempted to delegate every other responsibility including establishing a draft date. 

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

I'm guessing you will probably stay in the league since it sounds like you didn't really want to leave, you mainly wanted to just complain about what happened.

In our league you can't trade a player unless it's for another player or picks.  Trading for things outside the world of fantasy football is strictly prohibited.  Once that starts it's a slippery slope.  I would have vetoed this, no question. 

In your situation I would talk to the other owners and see how they feel about the situation.  If they agree that it's f***ed up then you form a group and go to the Commishes.  You say "Hey As**oles.  You retired (to first guy).  You're the commish now (to second guy).  You can't give him a player to be co-commish.  That's Bulls***.  If you do this, we're leaving so you'll have a league of 2 (or 3 if that 2-team idiot stays).  Stop being shady.  Make all league changes in the open."

Problem solved.  There's no way that they want to blow up the league, especially if they won the last 2 years.  They are just going to push it further and further until someone stops them, that's what happens when someone is corrupt (which is what's happening).  This may seem small, especially if the player transferred was like Jeremy Kerley or some BS player like that.  But it won't stop there.  A couple seasons from now there will be even more back-room deals and you'll be losing money without realizing it.  Better to nip it in the bud now.

Good advice thanks 

 

[jeaton6]

Who is the player that was traded?

 

[Snorkelson]

So you're in a league with Brett Favre as commish? 

 

[APGOAT4EVA]

seems like you are being a bit dramatic. lots of leagues have issues, i have a commish who is the least active person ever but he pays on time and runs fair. if its fun and you get paid and every thing is ran fairly whats the problem? power lunch? old commish wants back in, let him.

Did I mention that last year the old commish setup MFL in such a way where he could review all outstanding trade offers from all teams?  

Or that 2 years ago, new commissioner made a trade on a Saturday, but then 2 days later forced the trade to be reversed because he was "drinking and at a bachelor party and supes stressed?" 

 

[Ruffrodys05]

None of this makes any sense......

 

[johnb]

Did I mention that last year the old commish setup MFL in such a way where he could review all outstanding trade offers from all teams?  

Or that 2 years ago, new commissioner made a trade on a Saturday, but then 2 days later forced the trade to be reversed because he was "drinking and at a bachelor party and supes stressed?" 

Super shady.  I'm not sure how many people need to tell you that you and the others should leave, but here's one more to add.