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richtown

Footballguy
What do you do with teams that are dead weight

There is a close race for division champion and the frontrunner is playing against a team that was planning to start Terrell Pryor.

The second place team raised a fuss and quoted the rule that stated coaches must field a full team.

The commissioner assigned him a free agent.

Needless to say there are some upset people in the league.

Was this a good or bad move by the commissioner?

 

ebsteelers

Footballguy
what do you mean by full team?

pryor did play yesterday so does that count.

do they mean they need to field an actual competitive team?

who did the commissioner assign him?

 
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FF Wiseguy

Footballguy
Bad move. The full roster starting requirement is not something that is remedied by intervention by the commissioner. The right move would be to leave the roster untouched, then enforce whatever penalty is in place for not fielding a full roster. If none is in place, then the best move would probably be not inviting the owner back next year.

 

Go DC Yourself

Footballguy
Pryor hasn't played in weeks. Why was it all of a sudden an issue that someone was starting him?

(edited to add, if you want more replies to your post, use a more descriptive subject heading).

 
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KCitons

Footballguy
We are having this same discussion in our league. Trying to come up with something proactive seems futile.

Our current rules define an illegal lineup (starting player on bye week, starting a player that is listed as out for multiple weeks, etc) First offense is a warning, second is moving the teams highest draft pick back 3 spots, third is removing the owner from the league.

Unfortunately, not all owners are in tanking mode to get a better draft pick. Some just lose interest in their team once they are out of the playoff hunt. Tankers should be punished by taking away what they covet (draft picks), Inactive owners should be kicked out of the league.

 
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chasyone

Footballguy
In the league I commish I take the 2 last place teams and have them play in 14 with the winner getting 9 ping pong balls and loser getting 6 and then I take the 2 teams with next worst records and also have them play in week 14 for ping pong balls. The winner of that game gets 3 ping ping balls and the loser gets 2 and those four teams have a lottery for picks 1-4. This takes away from tanking IMO. Even of you tank you aren't guaranteed the #1 pick

 

KCitons

Footballguy
In the league I commish I take the 2 last place teams and have them play in 14 with the winner getting 9 ping pong balls and loser getting 6 and then I take the 2 teams with next worst records and also have them play in week 14 for ping pong balls. The winner of that game gets 3 ping ping balls and the loser gets 2 and those four teams have a lottery for picks 1-4. This takes away from tanking IMO. Even of you tank you aren't guaranteed the #1 pick
We discussed a lottery system like this as well. With our 16 team league, 6 make the playoffs. If the bottom 4 play for lottery balls, the #5 team will want to tank to get into the the lottery playoff. If you include every team that doesn't make the playoffs. Then you could have teams that are truly in need of the early draft pick, getting knocked out by a team that just missed the money playoffs.

I spent a bunch of time trying to come up with elaborate loser brackets, victory points, and formulas. But then I realized, why pander to the weakest part of your league. Find someone that wants to manage for 14 weeks of the NFL season.

 

chasyone

Footballguy
Yea we only have 10 teams and we are all friends. It isn't that easy to tank without your buddies getting pissed. So far the bottom 4 teams that didn't make the playoffs didn't tank to get a chance for more ping pong balls.

 

Ignoratio Elenchi

Footballguy
What do you do with teams that are dead weight
Replace them if it's an ongoing problem, and make sure your league setup encourages participation throughout the season.

The second place team raised a fuss and quoted the rule that stated coaches must field a full team.
It sounds like he did field a full team.

The commissioner assigned him a free agent.

Was this a good or bad move by the commissioner?
Highly questionable. If things get to the point where an owner is totally unresponsive, I could see where the commissioner might need to take over the team to maintain the integrity of the league, yadda yadda. But he shouldn't just be making arbitrary roster moves for an existing owner.

So as I see it, you've got (a) a league where there's no compelling disincentive to tanking, (b) an ambiguous rule regarding lineups, and © a commissioner who arguably overstepped his bounds in response to an owner complaint. Your problem isn't simply a dead weight owner.

 

richtown

Footballguy
Thanks everyone.

I was the second place team that was making a stink about the full lineup.

The commissioner oversteps a lot in this league. I never thought he would add Tannehill

Tannehill scored 12 points and the frontrunner is down 7 points with McCown left to go.

TDs are worth four so it was probably much ado about nothing.

If I win the division I win $300. If I also win the Super Bowl there is another $1,200 in it for me.

The "dead weight" was mathematically eliminated and did not care to spend the $5 minimum required to pick up a player.

 

ebsteelers

Footballguy
the ping pong balls is a good idea..

dont play in any leagues like that.

another idea now this might not work but its an idea.

would be to pay the person who finishes in the 9 spot in a 12 team league. i guess if buy in is 200, maybe pay 100? not really sure

granted it might not work but it could help avoid some teams from completely tanking... figure teams in 9,10,11,12 place would be fighting for that spot

and 7 and 8 more than likely are fighting for a playoff spot and wont want to tank anyway.

just a thought

 

Nemesis

Footballguy
Thanks everyone.

I was the second place team that was making a stink about the full lineup.

The commissioner oversteps a lot in this league. I never thought he would add Tannehill

Tannehill scored 12 points and the frontrunner is down 7 points with McCown left to go.

TDs are worth four so it was probably much ado about nothing.

If I win the division I win $300. If I also win the Super Bowl there is another $1,200 in it for me.

The "dead weight" was mathematically eliminated and did not care to spend the $5 minimum required to pick up a player.
This is very easy......especially with the amount of money that I see you have in the league treasury.

1 - Reduce the payouts to the playoff teams and shave off "some" amount of money. (you and your league can decide that)

2 - If you don't already give away $$ to the weekly high score, implement a system that INCREASES as the season goes on......or simply just give away a wkly high score award only in the last couple of weeks of the regular sesson.

3 - Make the weekly amount at the end "worth it" that even owners that are 0-10 and mathematically eliminated from the playoffs think......"if I get hot and win a couple of these last weekly highs, I might be able to re-coup some of my previous losses AND play the role of spoiler"

Trust me......This works.

 
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Gawain

Footballguy
Thanks everyone.

I was the second place team that was making a stink about the full lineup.

The commissioner oversteps a lot in this league. I never thought he would add Tannehill

Tannehill scored 12 points and the frontrunner is down 7 points with McCown left to go.

TDs are worth four so it was probably much ado about nothing.

If I win the division I win $300. If I also win the Super Bowl there is another $1,200 in it for me.

The "dead weight" was mathematically eliminated and did not care to spend the $5 minimum required to pick up a player.
Charging for a waiver move for a team already eliminated?

No way you should expect him to make that move and I don't think the commissioner should have picked a guy up.

If he was sitting a starting QB already rostered, then yes. Paying 5 bucks for nothing? Not a chance.

 

Not Sleeping

Footballguy
Thanks everyone.

I was the second place team that was making a stink about the full lineup.

The commissioner oversteps a lot in this league. I never thought he would add Tannehill

Tannehill scored 12 points and the frontrunner is down 7 points with McCown left to go.

TDs are worth four so it was probably much ado about nothing.

If I win the division I win $300. If I also win the Super Bowl there is another $1,200 in it for me.

The "dead weight" was mathematically eliminated and did not care to spend the $5 minimum required to pick up a player.
Charging for a waiver move for a team already eliminated?

No way you should expect him to make that move and I don't think the commissioner should have picked a guy up.

If he was sitting a starting QB already rostered, then yes. Paying 5 bucks for nothing? Not a chance.
Yeah, that definitely changes things. I wouldn't feel like paying any more money when I'm already eliminated. Money for waiver moves in general seems like a bad idea. Why discourage people from making moves? That's the best part of the game.

 

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