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Lebron James will never win a championship... (2 Viewers)

No. 16 said:
More on Melo...From ESPN daily dime per Greg Anthony

Don't forget they're also without Nene. Marcus Camby and Reggie Evans have a great impact defensively and with rebounding. So now they don't have K-Mart's offensive explosiveness, but that's where J.R. has helped make them better.And Carmelo's now the game's best pure scorer -- his ability to play out of double teams, get teammates involved -- that has been fun to watch. The sky's the limit. Karl told me that Anthony is the best pure scorer he's ever coached. And that scoring is coming within the framework of helping his team.
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Just saying that LBJ is not as great as everyone thinks he is. Anyone remeber how we were talking about KG when he first entered the league?
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KG has never had a good team. Replace Duncan with him in SA, and KG would have a few titles. I don't really get your point. Sure its a possibility that Lebron will never have good enough teamates to win it all like KG so far, but that doesn't mean that its likely.
 
No. 16 said:
More Melo hype from ESPN Daily Dime. This time from Allan Houston...

Carmelo Anthony. The best offensive player in the game right now. He's unguardable by one person. Even the best defenders in the league will tell you this. Too big and strong for guards, and too quick for big men. His shooting touch pulls it all together.
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Kobe Bryant is the best offensive player in the game right now(and perhaps ever).
 
GA is my boy!

"The guy LeBron needs is Sam Cassell," says Arenas, "He needs someone who wants to take the big shots at the end of the game." I interject that LeBron would never stand for that -- it would kill his ego. "LeBron would much rather have Cassell take the final shot," says Arenas. "People don't realize that LeBron doesn't want it."
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No. 16 said:
GA is my boy!

"The guy LeBron needs is Sam Cassell," says Arenas, "He needs someone who wants to take the big shots at the end of the game." I interject that LeBron would never stand for that -- it would kill his ego. "LeBron would much rather have Cassell take the final shot," says Arenas. "People don't realize that LeBron doesn't want it."
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This is from the same guy who blamed getting 9 points against the Blazers when he guaranteed 50 on his coach's emphasis on playing defense? I think I need a more credible source than a guy that won this week's "Just Shut Up" award.
 
No. 16 said:
Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.
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So, if Peyton can win a ring after many more years of frustration than Lebron has even played pro ball, why can't Lebron eventually win one?
 
Well, the Cavaliers have won 8 straight and closed to within 1 1/2 games of Detroit. Lebron has been getting help from everyone and they have looked great during this streak. They became only the 4th team ever to sweep (8-0) the 4 California teams. They have an Eastern Conference best 18-9 record against the West.

It's possible this season.

Big game coming Wednesday against Dallas at home.

 
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rgabbard said:
No. 16 said:
If you think they can beat Dallas, SA, Pheonix in a 7 game series.... you're dreaming.
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they've beaten the Spurs twice already this season, so I think they match up well against them. Not so much against the Mavs and the Suns.
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Phoenix has blown them out twice, while Dallas has only beaten them by 3 points and 2 points.
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dallas and cleveland have only played once this seasongame 2 is this coming wednesday in cleveland
 
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djcolts said:
No. 16 said:
GA is my boy!

"The guy LeBron needs is Sam Cassell," says Arenas, "He needs someone who wants to take the big shots at the end of the game." I interject that LeBron would never stand for that -- it would kill his ego. "LeBron would much rather have Cassell take the final shot," says Arenas. "People don't realize that LeBron doesn't want it."
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This is from the same guy who blamed getting 9 points against the Blazers when he guaranteed 50 on his coach's emphasis on playing defense? I think I need a more credible source than a guy that won this week's "Just Shut Up" award.
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i'm not sure those 2 things have anything to do with each other :shock:
 
s_ezy said:
The Man With No Name said:
rgabbard said:
No. 16 said:
If you think they can beat Dallas, SA, Pheonix in a 7 game series.... you're dreaming.
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they've beaten the Spurs twice already this season, so I think they match up well against them. Not so much against the Mavs and the Suns.
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Phoenix has blown them out twice, while Dallas has only beaten them by 3 points and 2 points.
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dallas and cleveland have only played once this seasongame 2 is this coming wednesday in cleveland
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OK. The other was a preseason game. Didn't notice that the first look through.
 
LeBron will win a championship before KobMe wins one without Shaq carrying him on his back.

Feel free to write that down in your little journal! :loco:

 
Capella said:
No. 16 said:
He's gonna be like VC I imagine.
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:shrug: ;)
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He already has shown the propensity to take months/weeks/games/halfs off. If the Bulls didn't blow the last game against NJ they would be the ones in the Eastern Conference finals... the Cavs have beaten the Arenas and Butler-less Wizards and the Nets (Although I was suprised how easy the took out the Nets). The Bulls are the best young team in the East in a 7 game series the Bulls depth and defense will get the upperhand on LBJ and the Cavs everytime.In the West is always strong and I think the Jazz will be the class of the West for the next 5-7 years.When you watch LBJ play you don't see that killer drive. He seems pre-occupied with becoming a global marketing icon than becoming one of the all time greats.
 
djcolts said:
No. 16 said:
Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.
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So, if Peyton can win a ring after many more years of frustration than Lebron has even played pro ball, why can't Lebron eventually win one?
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You can't even answer this question in 3 months worth of time? Whatever.
 
djcolts said:
djcolts said:
No. 16 said:
Put this down in history.

LBJ will never win an NBA championship. He doesnt have the killer instinct or clutch play to become the best. He'll never be Magic and no way will he ever be Jordan.

I still think he'll become one of the best players in the NBA, but he'll be just like Peyton Manning. All stats and no rings.

If it takes a supposed franchise savior 3 NBA season before he hits a game winner... there's a problem. What's even worse is he has been considered "the man" practially since he put on a Cavs jersey.

Wade amd Melo on the other hand will win their fair share of championships.
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So, if Peyton can win a ring after many more years of frustration than Lebron has even played pro ball, why can't Lebron eventually win one?
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You can't even answer this question in 3 months worth of time? Whatever.
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Must have missed it.Who knows? I guess if Peyton can do it... it gives some hope LBJ can.

1. LBJ is not a great defender

2. LBJ is not a clutch player

3. LBJ has already shown to have an on and off switch where he coasts through games.

4. LBJ is not hungry. His goal is to be a global marketing icon, not to be the greatest player ever.

No one has ever questioned the determination and effort of Duncan, Wade, Kobe, MJ, and other lead players who have won championship.

The only lead dog I can rememember being questioned about their effort on the court is Shaq, but he is/was such a physically dominant player he could get away with it.

As a perimeter player LBJ doesn't have that drive and determination that you see of Finals MVPs.

 
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No. 16 said:
mr. furley said:
Zaxxon said:
No. 16 said:
He's gonna be like VC I imagine.
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Sometimes I can't tell them apart because their styles are so similar.
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they look so much alike that i have trouble telling them apart too
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You guys laugh, but you forget how Vince Carter was supposed to be the next MJ? He was just as hyped and beloved by fans and the league in his early years as LBJ is now.
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Vince was a great athlete and scorer, but he never had anywhere close to James' passing ability. I also think James is a much better defender than you're giving him credit for.
 
Jordan's Bulls made a pretty steady progression in terms of how far they got in the playoffs. His first three years, they were knocked out in the first round. His fourth year, they were knocked out in the second round by Detroit. In his 5th and 6th year, they got knocked out by Detroit again in the Conference Finals. In the 7th year of course, they swept Detroit and beat the Lakers in 5 to win his first title. So it went 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, win.

James' Cavs are a little ahead of that curve, and Lebron is obviously three years younger coming into the league than Jordan. That's not to say that James is guaranteed a title by his 7th year, a lot of that will have to do with the personnel moves that Cleveland makes, but it's an interesting historical analogy.

Of course, this thread is pretty asinine in the first place.

 
I don't agree with the original poster at all, and think LBJ is the 2nd best(Duncan) player in the game. However, if I was a Cavs fan, his supposed obsession with being a global icon would annoy me a bit(if true).

 
Zigg said:
I don't agree with the original poster at all , and think LBJ is the 2nd best(Duncan) player in the game. However, if I was a Cavs fan, his supposed obsession with being a global icon would annoy me a bit(if true).
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I think that's the general consensus. :bowtie:
 
No. 16 said:
No one has ever questioned the determination and effort of Duncan, Wade, Kobe, MJ, and other lead players who have won championship.
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Duncan has frequently been accused of showing too little emotionKobe has been accused of putting himself above the team(and winning)MJ, until Pippen and Jackson arrived, was always accused of caring more about himself than the team
 
Assani Fisher said:
No. 16 said:
No one has ever questioned the determination and effort of Duncan, Wade, Kobe, MJ, and other lead players who have won championship.
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Duncan has frequently been accused of showing too little emotionKobe has been accused of putting himself above the team(and winning)MJ, until Pippen and Jackson arrived, was always accused of caring more about himself than the team
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None of those have to do with effort level.Sure Tim Duncan doesn't scream as much, but no one has ever said TD is coasting or not playing his hardest.Sure Kobe hogs the ball, but AT LEAST HE'S TRYING... a little too hard at times.MJ may have been selfish, but he still put maximum effort on the court... playing both offense and defense.Numerous writers have pointed out how LBJ seems to be coasting at times... in fact many felt LBJ was coasting for the 1st half of the season. The knocks on the players you have pointed out have nothing to do effort, rather they are dealing with the motives of the players and in Duncan's case his personality.
 
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No. 16 said:
Assani Fisher said:
No. 16 said:
No one has ever questioned the determination and effort of Duncan, Wade, Kobe, MJ, and other lead players who have won championship.
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Duncan has frequently been accused of showing too little emotionKobe has been accused of putting himself above the team(and winning)MJ, until Pippen and Jackson arrived, was always accused of caring more about himself than the team
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None of those have to do with effort level.Sure Tim Duncan doesn't scream as much, but no one has ever said TD is coasting or not playing his hardest.Sure Kobe hogs the ball, but AT LEAST HE'S TRYING... a little too hard at times.MJ may have been selfish, but he still put maximum effort on the court... playing both offense and defense.Numerous writers have pointed out how LBJ seems to be coasting at times... in fact many felt LBJ was coasting for the 1st half of the season. The knocks on the players you have pointed out have nothing to do effort, rather they are dealing with the motives of the players and in Duncan's case his personality.
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Sure they do. MJ and Kobe weren't always GIVING FULL EFFORT TO WIN GAMES because they were giving some of their effort to make themselves look good.
 
Assani Fisher said:
No. 16 said:
Assani Fisher said:
No. 16 said:
No one has ever questioned the determination and effort of Duncan, Wade, Kobe, MJ, and other lead players who have won championship.
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Duncan has frequently been accused of showing too little emotionKobe has been accused of putting himself above the team(and winning)MJ, until Pippen and Jackson arrived, was always accused of caring more about himself than the team
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None of those have to do with effort level.Sure Tim Duncan doesn't scream as much, but no one has ever said TD is coasting or not playing his hardest.Sure Kobe hogs the ball, but AT LEAST HE'S TRYING... a little too hard at times.MJ may have been selfish, but he still put maximum effort on the court... playing both offense and defense.Numerous writers have pointed out how LBJ seems to be coasting at times... in fact many felt LBJ was coasting for the 1st half of the season. The knocks on the players you have pointed out have nothing to do effort, rather they are dealing with the motives of the players and in Duncan's case his personality.
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Sure they do. MJ and Kobe weren't always GIVING FULL EFFORT TO WIN GAMES because they were giving some of their effort to make themselves look good.
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I still don't think it's a question of effort. MJ and Kobe really believed they could carry the team on their own, they saw it as their only chance to win. They never disappear from games even if they have a bad shooting night, they always make their impact felt.When you watch LBJ, there are stretches of games where he doesn't leave his impact. There are just nights when he doesn't show up, not because of a bad shooting night but because he stops trying to drive and settles for jumpers. Then he stops playing D, stops demanding the ball, and before you know it the Cavs are out of the game.
 
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Your Mother said:
Jordan's Bulls made a pretty steady progression in terms of how far they got in the playoffs. His first three years, they were knocked out in the first round. His fourth year, they were knocked out in the second round by Detroit. In his 5th and 6th year, they got knocked out by Detroit again in the Conference Finals. In the 7th year of course, they swept Detroit and beat the Lakers in 5 to win his first title. So it went 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, win.James' Cavs are a little ahead of that curve, and Lebron is obviously three years younger coming into the league than Jordan. That's not to say that James is guaranteed a title by his 7th year, a lot of that will have to do with the personnel moves that Cleveland makes, but it's an interesting historical analogy.Of course, this thread is pretty asinine in the first place.
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That Bulls team needed to mature and Pippen was just a great overall player, with great versatility. LBJ is no MJ so, in his 7th year, LBJ may still be trying to mature and learning to stick in his mind, I HAVE TO TAKE THE LAST SHOT.Jordan is a one of a kind player who won 6 titles with no legitimate big man in the post. It took him several years to start trusting his teammates and allowing them to grow into better players(Pippen, Grant). Jordan is arguably the best perimeter player EVER this league has ever seen and he won 6 championship, 3 more than Kobe, 3 more than Duncan, 1 more than Magic, 3 more than Bird, 2 more than Shaq. I cannot see LBJ winning many titles because of his mind-set of "I'm going to pass the ball if I see someone open to take the last shot." Cavs do not have the Pippen to go with LBJ and LBJ will NEVER be a MJ type of player leaving him far away from winning a title until he gets an MJ type player where hes the Pippen, or he turns into MJ and decides to finish games. Will one title make LBJ a great player, isn't just one title, not enough. This guy has been proclaimed to be one of the greatest, one title will not be enough, he HAS to win multiple to ever reach that hype. Will he do it? I have my huge doubts.
 
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The one person you KNOW would have posted in this thread, and hasn't.

THE expert on all sports in the FFA, and a confirmed amateur fisherman.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.
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When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.
 
No. 16 said:
Captain Quinoa said:
BTW, props to 'Melo for willing his team to one victory in this year's playoffs.
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When LBJ plays in the western conference then maybe that comment can be actually hold some weight.The CAVS beat... the Wizards sans GA and Butler and the Nets.Denver faced the Spurs. Big difference buddy.
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LBJ is fortunate enough to play in the east where the competition level is nowhere near the West. Spurs just beat the Suns in 6 games, meaning two all-nba players couldnt even lead them past the Spurs. Cavs faced a JV team and a team whos best player doesn't care at times. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
 
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