Leftwich Vs Vick (1 Viewer)

[thehobbit]

Both QBs have young WR cores, with veteran RBs.

Vick is more incline to run with the ball, Leftwich is more incline to stay in the pocket.

Leftwich is a warrior who tries to win every game using team dynamics and time management, Vick has been known to take it on his shoulders to try and make everything happen usually with his rushing ability.

Vick has to face Carolina and Tampa, easy one is NO.

Leftwich has to face Indi and Houstan, easy one is TEN

So which QB would you rather have on your team, Vick is the favorite on the projects, but what really amounts to less than 2 pt per game. So I consider the difference is there rankings pretty insignificant as they are project and could easily be off by so much.

 

[Sigfawn]

Both QBs have young WR cores, with veteran RBs.

Vick is more incline to run with the ball, Leftwich is more incline to stay in the pocket.

Leftwich is a warrior who tries to win every game using team dynamics and time management, Vick has been known to take it on his shoulders to try and make everything happen usually with his rushing ability.

Vick has to face Carolina and Tampa, easy one is NO.

Leftwich has to face Indi and Houstan, easy one is TEN

So which QB would you rather have on your team,  Vick is the favorite on the projects, but what really amounts to less than 2 pt per game. So I consider the difference is there rankings pretty insignificant as they are project and could easily be off by so much.

The last 2-3 lines make no sense. Less please.Vick has finished 3rd, 10th, 12th in 3 years.

Leftwich has been 17th, 18th, 21st in his 3 years.

How is it even close? Forget projections. Check results. Vick crushes Lefty any way you slice it. And in those 3 years, Lefty actually missed more games due to injury.

 

[SSOG]

Both QBs have young WR cores, with veteran RBs.

Vick is more incline to run with the ball, Leftwich is more incline to stay in the pocket.

Leftwich is a warrior who tries to win every game using team dynamics and time management, Vick has been known to take it on his shoulders to try and make everything happen usually with his rushing ability.

Vick has to face Carolina and Tampa, easy one is NO.

Leftwich has to face Indi and Houstan, easy one is TEN

So which QB would you rather have on your team, Vick is the favorite on the projects, but what really amounts to less than 2 pt per game. So I consider the difference is there rankings pretty insignificant as they are project and could easily be off by so much.

The last 2-3 lines make no sense. Less please.Vick has finished 3rd, 10th, 12th in 3 years.

Leftwich has been 17th, 18th, 21st in his 3 years.

How is it even close? Forget projections. Check results. Vick crushes Lefty any way you slice it. And in those 3 years, Lefty actually missed more games due to injury.

Agreed. Vick has a much higher floor than Leftwich, and his ceiling is higher than ANYONE'S in the entire NFL. Heck, I'd *almost* go so far as to say that Vick's floor is higher than Leftwich's ceiling. He's probably more of an injury risk, but with that fat contract he just signed, he's far less of a risk to find himself out of work any time soon. Projecting out over the next 3 or 5 years, it's Vick in a landslide.Edit: Also, situations get better or worse, but Vick's rushing ability is a constant. No matter how bad the team around him gets, he's always going to hold his value remarkably well.

 

[Musesboy]

Vick by a mile.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Vick by a mile.

 

[slayer666]

Vick, ATL QB

 

[MLBrandow]

Vick showed what he's capable of under Reeves. When he gets a new coach, he'll be back to being a goldmine.

Leftwich is the better football player but scrambling yards = the difference for me.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

i'd take Vick, hes the more dynamic player

he can grow into a more passing QB, but for now his style of playing is getting it done, except last season where he tried to pass too much, but the way he played in 2004

Leftwich is good, but Vick can do what no other QB can, run like a motherf'er

 

[Cookiemonster]

Concidering current ADP, I think Leftwich is the better option and I've seen him in games where he and the passing game have to take over and he's come through. I've seen him stink up a couple games too, but not as many or as often as Vick. I agree that Vick should be the more valuble but in comparison with what you have to pay for them, I'll take Lefty.

 

[Two Deep]

Every year the This will be Vicks year talk starts, every year he lets you down. Time to realize he is just not a good quarterback. It has nothing to do with his physical skills and everything to do with his mental skills. If you cannot read defenses quickly and react you will make mistakes and fail. This is Vicks #1 problem. He has been in the league far to long to hold out hope things will change. He would be better off running the offense like a sand lot game rather then make him follow a game plan. If only his head was as quick as his feet, he would be unstopable.

 

[ptsteelers]

Every year the This will be Vicks year talk starts, every year he lets you down. Time to realize he is just not a good quarterback. It has nothing to do with his physical skills and everything to do with his mental skills. If you cannot read defenses quickly and react you will make mistakes and fail. This is Vicks #1 problem. He has been in the league far to long to hold out hope things will change. He would be better off running the offense like a sand lot game rather then make him follow a game plan. If only his head was as quick as his feet, he would be unstopable.

Yep.Agree.

Sums up my feelings.

 

[joffer]

easily Vick

 

[David Yudkin]

Every year the This will be Vicks year talk starts, every year he lets you down. Time to realize he is just not a good quarterback. It has nothing to do with his physical skills and everything to do with his mental skills. If you cannot read defenses quickly and react you will make mistakes and fail. This is Vicks #1 problem. He has been in the league far to long to hold out hope things will change. He would be better off running the offense like a sand lot game rather then make him follow a game plan. If only his head was as quick as his feet, he would be unstopable.

Vick has already proven to be a fantasy QB1 (he's done so three times already). If people keep expecting him to be a regular Top 3 QB and draft him thinking so, that's their own fault. Most of the time, he's not getting drafting as a Top 3 QB (at least be sane people).If Vick ever gets to the point where he can post AVERAGE passing numbers, he will be a lock for the Top 5 and likely even higher. He ranked third with 2936/16. There were 14 QB with 3,000 passing yards last season and 17 with 16 TD passes. Imagine if he ever got to 3200/20 passing the ball.

Since so many people tend to think Vick is a bust each year, he actually can come pretty cheap. I just drafted him last week as the #14 QB off the board.

This is not to say that I am down on Leftwich, as he averaged the same PPG wise last year as Vick did.

 

[Big Score]

Since so many people tend to think Vick is a bust each year, he actually can come pretty cheap. I just drafted him last week as the #14 QB off the board.

This is not to say that I am down on Leftwich, as he averaged the same PPG wise last year as Vick did.

Yudkin,This begs the question;

If Vick & Lefty scored the same last year and Vick went as the 14th QB, where did Lefty go in that particular draft?

 

[Spike]

I think it's pretty simply Vick because I think they're fairly close now and I see Vick with having upside and I don't see much of that with Leftwich.

(And I'm a Leftwich owner in a few dynasty leagues and don't have Vick in any leagues.)

 

[David Yudkin]

Since so many people tend to think Vick is a bust each year, he actually can come pretty cheap.  I just drafted him last week as the #14 QB off the board.

This is not to say that I am down on Leftwich, as he averaged the same PPG wise last year as Vick did.

Yudkin,This begs the question;

If Vick & Lefty scored the same last year and Vick went as the 14th QB, where did Lefty go in that particular draft?

Another good value at QB 20. My concern for Leftwich FOR THIS YEAR is that Smith is gone and the WR corps has limited experience. Leftwich has also shown the ability to get banged up, and that may be why he fell further than Vick did.IMO, FOR THIS YEAR, I see that Vick has a better chance at improving his passing totals than Leftwich does.

And I forgot that Vick only played 15 games last year, so his PPG average was technically higher in a 4 pts per TD passing league. (17.5 vs 16.4), but if you throw out the game when Byron got hurt than he was slightly better (17.9).

Ignoring the game he got hurt, Leftwich averaged 211/1.5 while Vick averaged 161/1. As I see it, Vick has an easier chance to increase his passing totals this year.

 

[Big Score]

Thanks for responding & adding your reasoning Yudkin

 

[SSOG]

Every year the This will be Vicks year talk starts, every year he lets you down. Time to realize he is just not a good quarterback. It has nothing to do with his physical skills and everything to do with his mental skills. If you cannot read defenses quickly and react you will make mistakes and fail. This is Vicks #1 problem. He has been in the league far to long to hold out hope things will change. He would be better off running the offense like a sand lot game rather then make him follow a game plan. If only his head was as quick as his feet, he would be unstopable.

Vick's never let me down. I've always taken him as QB8-12, and he's always produced as QB8-12. That's what I call "getting what I pay for". I've also posted the breakdowns elsewhere (and can link to them if necessary), but he's really not any more inconsistant than any other QB in the league, in terms of fantasy scoring from week to week. That's just a case of perception differing from reality.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Both QBs have young WR cores, with veteran RBs.

Vick is more incline to run with the ball, Leftwich is more incline to stay in the pocket.

Leftwich is a warrior who tries to win every game using team dynamics and time management, Vick has been known to take it on his shoulders to try and make everything happen usually with his rushing ability.

Vick has to face Carolina and Tampa, easy one is NO.

Leftwich has to face Indi and Houstan, easy one is TEN

So which QB would you rather have on your team,  Vick is the favorite on the projects, but what really amounts to less than 2 pt per game. So I consider the difference is there rankings pretty insignificant as they are project and could easily be off by so much.

The last 2-3 lines make no sense. Less please.Vick has finished 3rd, 10th, 12th in 3 years.

Leftwich has been 17th, 18th, 21st in his 3 years.

How is it even close? Forget projections. Check results. Vick crushes Lefty any way you slice it. And in those 3 years, Lefty actually missed more games due to injury.

Agreed. Vick has a much higher floor than Leftwich, and his ceiling is higher than ANYONE'S in the entire NFL. Heck, I'd *almost* go so far as to say that Vick's floor is higher than Leftwich's ceiling. He's probably more of an injury risk, but with that fat contract he just signed, he's far less of a risk to find himself out of work any time soon. Projecting out over the next 3 or 5 years, it's Vick in a landslide.Edit: Also, situations get better or worse, but Vick's rushing ability is a constant. No matter how bad the team around him gets, he's always going to hold his value remarkably well.

I agree with all of your post but this one sentence. Vick played in 15 games in 2004 and another 15 in 2005. Lefty played in 14 games in 2004 and 11 last season. So I would say vick is more likely to get seriously hurt and miss a ton of games because of his playing style but he isn't more of an injury risk than Lefty.

 

[SSOG]

I agree with all of your post but this one sentence. Vick played in 15 games in 2004 and another 15 in 2005. Lefty played in 14 games in 2004 and 11 last season. So I would say vick is more likely to get seriously hurt and miss a ton of games because of his playing style but he isn't more of an injury risk than Lefty.

Yeah, I just meant that the risk with Vick is much greater, since he'll be exposed to so many more hits. I don't think he's more likely to get dinged up and miss a couple of games (Lefty's actually shaping up like McNair, there), I just think he's more likely to get totally leveled and lost for the season. I don't mind my QB1 missing some games, but I do mind them missing the season.