LenDale White Questions (1 Viewer)

[Bob_Magaw]

some might be liking lendale because chow vouched for him... what is the thought that maybe fisher won't be around in a few years? does it matter...

for dynasty purposes, how many weight size among criteria... in other words, if you weren't worried about his work ethic, thought he was approximately equal in talent to deangelo, lets say they went to same neutral team...

would anybody be more likely to draft white in dynasty league (keeping above criteria in mind) if he plays at optimal 235, over williams if he is more natural 210? williams has more extensive injury history, but hard to say if it was flukey or due to smaller frame...

there is of course a limit & diminishing returns... if 235 is better doesn't mean 270 is better still... & of course there are many styles & ways to be a great runner... i was more interested in the boards thoughts on possible correlations between size & injuries, durability or lack of... & maybe size optima implications related to this...

 

[PMENFAN]

I'm not crazy about Chris Brown. He has flashes of very goodness, but he's the same sissy I thought he'd be coming into the league. He's always hurt.

Lendale gives them the bruiser, and I think he'll be the 1-2 down back, and Brown will be a nice compliment, or 3rd down/change up back. It's got RBBC written all over, at least until Brown has a hangnail and misses 4 games.

 

[BlueOnion]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs. In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight. Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams. The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him. His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

 

[Nemesis]

Chris Brown's history has been that he can't get the tough yards and has had trouble near the goal line.

This is exactly why I think Tenn selected L.White.

I see a scenario that is almost exactly like the Tampa running game of the early 2000's............Pittman and Alstott-like where IF Tenn can wear down an opponent and stay in the game, you'll see L.White a lot in the 4th qtr.

 

[BlueOnion]

I don't think people are giving LenDale enough credit. After the Rose Bowl, LenDale was ranked in the top 8 of NFL prospects on talent alone.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I don't think people are giving LenDale enough credit.  After the Rose Bowl, LenDale was ranked in the top 8 of NFL prospects on talent alone.

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I'm with you man. He needs to get that hamstring healthy, and come into camp with a passion to prove everyone wrong. He could easily be the best RB to come out of this draft.

 

[BlueOnion]

I don't think people are giving LenDale enough credit.  After the Rose Bowl, LenDale was ranked in the top 8 of NFL prospects on talent alone.

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I'm with you man. He needs to get that hamstring healthy, and come into camp with a passion to prove everyone wrong. He could easily be the best RB to come out of this draft.
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LenDale certainly has some question marks; but his physical built and raw talent are certainly not two of them.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The reality is that big backs don't make for the best fantasy backs. We often hear about how small backs don't hit very often, but the same can be said about big backs.

That being said - I commented on this on the pre-draft podcast - unlike most big backs, White has very nimble Bettis-esque feet. I expect him to hit and he's definitely worth a top 5 dynasty pick.

 

[Weiner Dog]

The reality is that big backs don't make for the best fantasy backs. We often hear about how small backs don't hit very often, but the same can be said about big backs.

That being said - I commented on this on the pre-draft podcast - unlike most big backs, White has very nimble Bettis-esque feet. I expect him to hit and he's definitely worth a top 5 dynasty pick.

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...plus he has soft hands for a big back. This is truly rare. He catches the ball away from his body and has the necessary jelly to make the first guy miss after the catch.Unlike most big backs, White should be able to stay on the field on 3rd-and-12.

 

[BlueOnion]

The reality is that big backs don't make for the best fantasy backs. We often hear about how small backs don't hit very often, but the same can be said about big backs.

That being said - I commented on this on the pre-draft podcast - unlike most big backs, White has very nimble Bettis-esque feet. I expect him to hit and he's definitely worth a top 5 dynasty pick.

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I don't consider LenDale a true big-back. He is certainly closer to Bettis but I think he is still a little more nimble than Bettis.

 

[stbugs]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs.  In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight.  Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams.  The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him.  His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

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I couldn't disagree with you more on saying that Williams has an incumbent with legit talent. If you think Foster with 3 good games in his 3 year, 33 game career is a legit incumbent, then you are completely missing the boat. All 3 games where against really, really bad rushing defenses. Brown, is not a lot better, but in 37 career games he has 9 with 90 yards rushing or more.I could easily see Williams win the job outright and White being stuck in RBBC with Brown.

Foster has not shown anything in the real NFL world and for all the folks that think Foster was signed to a big $$$ deal, Carolina was just hedging their bets as it was possible that they wouldn't get a RB they really wanted in the draft. Carolina is a playoff contender and not having the security of at least having Foster before the draft would have been a really bad move since Shelton has shown nothing and Davis is just about done, if not already done.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The reality is that big backs don't make for the best fantasy backs. We often hear about how small backs don't hit very often, but the same can be said about big backs.

That being said - I commented on this on the pre-draft podcast - unlike most big backs, White has very nimble Bettis-esque feet. I expect him to hit and he's definitely worth a top 5 dynasty pick.

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I don't consider LenDale a true big-back. He is certainly closer to Bettis but I think he is still a little more nimble than Bettis.
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I agree 100%, but like the little backs, there is a general rule that guys with that body type dont become fantasy studs (with notable exceptions). Maurice Drew, like White, is an non-standard guy, but still lumped in the group. Very few little backs have the lower body size and strength of Drew. Very few big backs have the nimble feet of White.

 

[Neo]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs.  In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight.  Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams.  The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him.  His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

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Hey Blue, saw your post about LenDale when you drafted him. "This guy eats cupcakes for breakfast"

 

[BlueOnion]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs.  In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight.  Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams.  The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him.  His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

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Hey Blue, saw your post about LenDale when you drafted him. "This guy eats cupcakes for breakfast"



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Couldn't resist taken another jab at my division rivals; Ding Dong, Suzy Q and Twinkie.

 

[Sanboy]

MY OPINON

L.White was the only RB in this years class that could become a 25 carry a game FRANCHISE BACK

i think CHOW and FISHER both intend to run him ALOT this year ..

I also think it shows alot that White was theguy USC leaned on rather than BUSH ... and this was the biggiest stage ..

I seriously think the WHITE stuff has been overblown .. and he will turn into the best RB in the group

much like RUDI JOHNSON

 

[msommer]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs.  In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight.  Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams.  The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him.  His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

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Blue, I am not sure I agree that White does not have to compete with Talent - Chris Brown is a talented guy - he just can't stay healthy - end result is the same, though - bigger chance of seeing the field soon.How about Addai - he doesn't figure in your list (or are you hiding your true evaluation?)

If it was me I'd probably rank (for the next two to three years)

Bush

Addai

Williams

Maroney

White

Although I have been flip flopping so much I can't even say I'll agree with this tomorrow. The unfortunate fact is that all of these backs might be in RBBC for the foreseeable future - so while they might have this ranking in their own year as rookie picks - they might not fare so well in a start up league evaluation.

On a side note, I own the 1.05 rookie pick in one league and I have been offered quite a few attractive packages lately. Holding on until I am OTC because I think the value is not going to decrease the next couple of weeks (when the pick is to be made) - worst comes to worst - I can always use it myself.

 

[BlueOnion]

I got LenDale rated higher than DeAngelo for the following reasons.

The only rookie back that might have more talent than White might be Bush, but they are different backs.  In addition, White has the physical build to be a franchise running back; his college playing weight was 250 and he was still shifty and somewhat swift at that weight.  Finally, he is the only back not competing with an incumbent with legit talent; Bush (McCallister), Williams (Foster), Maroney (Dillon).

Talent wise, LenDale has a significant edge (in my opinion) over Williams.  The guy has a knack for finding some holes between the tackles and has a little shiftiness to him.  His shiftiness is not flashy but reminds me a lot of Bettis; suddle moves that don't allow defenders to hit him cleanly, which allows him to break tackles.

If I had to rank the rookie backs, I would rank them as:

Bush

White

Maroney

Williams

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Blue, I am not sure I agree that White does not have to compete with Talent - Chris Brown is a talented guy - he just can't stay healthy - end result is the same, though - bigger chance of seeing the field soon.How about Addai - he doesn't figure in your list (or are you hiding your true evaluation?)

If it was me I'd probably rank (for the next two to three years)

Bush

Addai

Williams

Maroney

White

Although I have been flip flopping so much I can't even say I'll agree with this tomorrow. The unfortunate fact is that all of these backs might be in RBBC for the foreseeable future - so while they might have this ranking in their own year as rookie picks - they might not fare so well in a start up league evaluation.

On a side note, I own the 1.05 rookie pick in one league and I have been offered quite a few attractive packages lately. Holding on until I am OTC because I think the value is not going to decrease the next couple of weeks (when the pick is to be made) - worst comes to worst - I can always use it myself.

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I am not a big fan of Addai (yet) and my reservations are rooted in not being familar with him. I know Polian is a punching bag here at FBG, but he does have a good eye for talent.Also, I have reservations about Addai being a rookie and being able to jump in and help a veteran offense on a consistent basis in year 1.

I do need to look at Addai some more before I can make some legit comments on him.

 

[-OZ-]

what is the thought that maybe fisher won't be around in a few years?

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Everything else aside, this caught my attention. What gives you that impression?

 

[Biabreakable]

Larger than average RBs to have come into the league recently that were also touted to have good skills:

Eric Shelton

TJ Duckett

Ron Dayne

Stephen Davis

Eddie George

I think with Lendale White being reunited with his former coach it gives more reason to hope he can get back to a more Jamal Lewis 235lb playing weight and thus better endurance durability and speed for a Rb of his size. However his lack of work ethic leading up to one of the most important days of his life really leaves some big question marks about if he will do so or not imho.

Meanwhile smaller than average Rbs in recent history:

Cadilac Williams

JJ Arrington

Tatum Bell

Julius Jones

Justin Fargas

Domanic Davis

Brian Westbrook

Michael Bennett

Trung Canidate

Kevin Faulk

Warrick Dunn

Tiki Barber

Clinton Portis

Some of these have been busts too (I mostly have just been looking at Rbs taken day one) but I think we have seen a lot more success from Rbs considered to be smaller than average than we have seen the big bruising Rb become successful.

As far as making comparisions between any of these big Rbs and Jerome Bettis people seem to forget how fast Bettis was when he 1st came into the league. He was a legit 4.4 at his size when with the Lambs. Duckett is the only one recently with similar speed to what Bettis had.

FWIW

 

[MarshallPlan]

 

[jurb26]

I'm totally shocked the we have a White thread that hasn't been hijacked by haters yet. Anyway, I really love the way White plays football. As far as ability goes, I rank him 2nd only to Bush. I do however have Williams right along side him in a tie. I like Williams situation MUCH better in Car than White's in Tenn. I also like Williams situation in Car better than if he would have landed in Indy! I know that shocks a lot of people. I just think that Car wanted this guy and this is a team that is devoted to running the football. Foster has worn out his welcome IMO. His inability to stay healthy and string along consistent performances has killed him. Even if Foster does hold onto the stating gig entering the season, I can't see that lasting any more than a few weeks. An injury or just being outperformed by the talented Williams are bound to happen. I do think that Tenn will use White and use him a lot. Trouble is Tenn is not very good right now and are still rebuilding.

 

[diesel7982]

I'm totally shocked the we have a White thread that hasn't been hijacked by haters yet.  Anyway, I really love the way White plays football.  As far as ability goes, I rank him 2nd only to Bush.  I do however have Williams right along side him in a tie.  I like Williams situation MUCH better in Car than White's in Tenn.  I also like Williams situation in Car better than if he would have landed in Indy!  I know that shocks a lot of people.  I just think that Car wanted this guy and this is a team that is devoted to running the football.  Foster has worn out his welcome IMO.  His inability to stay healthy and string along consistent performances has killed him.  Even if Foster does hold onto the stating gig entering the season, I can't see that lasting any more than a few weeks.  An injury or just being outperformed by the talented Williams are bound to happen.  I do think that Tenn will use White and use him a lot.  Trouble is Tenn is not very good right now and are still rebuilding.

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Because people disagree with you about White, they are "haters"?

Awesome.

Thats about the type of openness to discussion I should expect on a football message board I guess...but still, its painful to see.

 

[jurb26]

I'm totally shocked the we have a White thread that hasn't been hijacked by haters yet.  Anyway, I really love the way White plays football.  As far as ability goes, I rank him 2nd only to Bush.  I do however have Williams right along side him in a tie.  I like Williams situation MUCH better in Car than White's in Tenn.  I also like Williams situation in Car better than if he would have landed in Indy!  I know that shocks a lot of people.  I just think that Car wanted this guy and this is a team that is devoted to running the football.  Foster has worn out his welcome IMO.  His inability to stay healthy and string along consistent performances has killed him.  Even if Foster does hold onto the stating gig entering the season, I can't see that lasting any more than a few weeks.  An injury or just being outperformed by the talented Williams are bound to happen.  I do think that Tenn will use White and use him a lot.  Trouble is Tenn is not very good right now and are still rebuilding.

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Because people disagree with you about White, they are "haters"?

Awesome.

Thats about the type of openness to discussion I should expect on a football message board I guess...but still, its painful to see.

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What is it about his talent and ability that you disagree with? You've still yet to answer that question. The continual "he's fat" thing has grown old.

 

[stbugs]

As far as making comparisions between any of these big Rbs and Jerome Bettis people seem to forget how fast Bettis was when he 1st came into the league. He was a legit 4.4 at his size when with the Lambs. Duckett is the only one recently with similar speed to what Bettis had.

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Why is it that everybody in the world seems to run a 4.4 40?I found this in an article about Snail Clarett:

Brandt knows Clarett hasn’t dazzled anyone with his speed. After a disastrous showing at the NFL combine, Clarett improved last month at a private workout near his hometown of Warren, Ohio, running a 4.67-second 40-yard dash.

But Emmitt Smith and Jerome Bettis didn’t run that fast either, Brandt said.

4.4 is really, really fast, and I don't think Jerome Bettis ran a 4.4.I can see it now in a post about the 2008 NFL Draft:

Yes, while I think that Ortega Orfice is not a trouble maker like Maurice Clarett, at least Mo ran a legit 4.4 40 and even he didn't make the Broncos. What makes you think that Ortega was a better pick than Mo after running a 4.6?

 

[Bob_Magaw]

what is the thought that maybe fisher won't be around in a few years?

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Everything else aside, this caught my attention. What gives you that impression?
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speculation by pundit that if VY was pick, it might be sign this was fisher's last year... when is his contract up...BTW, i wrote this about white last night in dynasty draft...

in a college legendary for churning out HOF caliber RBs, white is only true freshman in school history to lead team in rushing... he owns the career TD record despite leaving a year early...

* look at the yahoo highlights... he has the quick feet, change of direction & movement skills of a player 30-40 lbs lighter (maybe 100 lbs now )...

 

[Chaos]

what is the thought that maybe fisher won't be around in a few years?

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Everything else aside, this caught my attention. What gives you that impression?
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speculation by pundit that if VY was pick, it might be sign this was fisher's last year... when is his contract up...BTW, i wrote this about white last night in dynasty draft...

in a college legendary for churning out HOF caliber RBs, white is only true freshman in school history to lead team in rushing... he owns the career TD record despite leaving a year early...

* look at the yahoo highlights... he has the quick feet, change of direction & movement skills of a player 30-40 lbs lighter (maybe 100 lbs now )...

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I would think drafting VY is a sign of confidence in Fisher and give him a few years to develop VY, no?

 

[Biabreakable]

As far as making comparisions between any of these big Rbs and Jerome Bettis people seem to forget how fast Bettis was when he 1st came into the league. He was a legit 4.4 at his size when with the Lambs. Duckett is the only one recently with similar speed to what Bettis had.

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Why is it that everybody in the world seems to run a 4.4 40?I found this in an article about Snail Clarett:

Brandt knows Clarett hasn’t dazzled anyone with his speed. After a disastrous showing at the NFL combine, Clarett improved last month at a private workout near his hometown of Warren, Ohio, running a 4.67-second 40-yard dash.

But Emmitt Smith and Jerome Bettis didn’t run that fast either, Brandt said.

4.4 is really, really fast, and I don't think Jerome Bettis ran a 4.4.I can see it now in a post about the 2008 NFL Draft:

Yes, while I think that Ortega Orfice is not a trouble maker like Maurice Clarett, at least Mo ran a legit 4.4 40 and even he didn't make the Broncos. What makes you think that Ortega was a better pick than Mo after running a 4.6?

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Well good luck finding a link on Jerome Bettis as a rookie prospect. If you can it would be really interesting to see. Archives just are not that deep. We were drafting out of magazines as our primary information and tabulating scores from the newspaper. I was playing dynasty back then though and I do not think it is selective memory on my part. There is a reason Bettis was drafted 10th overall in 1993 and a lot of it had to do with his combination of size and yes SPEED. He became lacksidasical after some early success and that is why he was traded to Pittsburgh. Coupled with the fact that the Rams at that time had such a dominant OLine that they were able to use many different Rbs with equal success. Much like Denver has been doing more recently.FWIW GIGO AH