leon washington (1 Viewer)

[nlgb1]

why isnt anyone talking about him being the protege to thomas jones rather than shonn greene? imo theres no reason he couldnt excel as an every down back, especially with his receiving ability. am i off my rocker thinking that greene should be the change of pace back, not washington?

 

[Trent]

I would like to hear other's thoughts as well. I can see Leon being a Westbrook lite. If Rex Ryan brings the Stingy defense run the ball like crazy blue print that Baltimore employed last year I can see Leon having a string of good seasons going forward.

 

[millertyme1]

I think Washington will put put a couple strong seasons in the future. i believe he'll be a Top 15-20 PPR option once Jones leaves.

 

[jwb]

I love Leon, but we've been waiting three seasons now for him to get the workload we think he deserves. I keep thinking "this is the year", but there's only so long you can do that. Sometimes, what we see on the field is deceiving - maybe we've seen all he's going to be? A part-time guy who's a decent bye-week fill-in for PPR leagues. Maybe he's nothing more than Jerious Norwood.

Did you know Leon will be 27 to start the season? Not to sound any alarm bells (again, I'm a big fan and own him in several leagues), but this year is the time for him to shine if he's going to. I still think he's a special guy, and if he got the carries, he'd be a PPR monster. We'll see - I'm hoping.

 

[DropKick]

why isnt anyone talking about him being the protege to thomas jones rather than shonn greene? imo theres no reason he couldnt excel as an every down back, especially with his receiving ability. am i off my rocker thinking that greene should be the change of pace back, not washington?

Nothing against Leon, but he is the smaller, more versatile back. His skill set dictates, to a degree, that he be the change of pace/3rd down back. Every down? Sounds great for fantasy teams but not so great for an NFL team.

 

[BigGreenMachine]

I would like to hear other's thoughts as well. I can see Leon being a Westbrook lite. If Rex Ryan brings the Stingy defense run the ball like crazy blue print that Baltimore employed last year I can see Leon having a string of good seasons going forward.

Jets fan and season ticket holder...I have watched Leon throughout his time with us and he is as explosive as any back in the league. However, the knock on him is his size...he isnt a downhill runner which means when you need the tough yards through the middle you have to go to another guy. He is always going to be a very solid contributor...lots of YPC but IMO we will always need another complimentary back.Just my thoughts...

 

[Trent]

I would like to hear other's thoughts as well. I can see Leon being a Westbrook lite. If Rex Ryan brings the Stingy defense run the ball like crazy blue print that Baltimore employed last year I can see Leon having a string of good seasons going forward.

Jets fan and season ticket holder...I have watched Leon throughout his time with us and he is as explosive as any back in the league. However, the knock on him is his size...he isnt a downhill runner which means when you need the tough yards through the middle you have to go to another guy. He is always going to be a very solid contributor...lots of YPC but IMO we will always need another complimentary back.Just my thoughts...

Thanks Big Green Machine.What do you think Leon's potential ceiling is the next two years. If the stars aligned and say he gets close to 200 carries? Do you think he could put up stats like this? 200 rushes 900 yds 6 tds 55 recs 610 yds 3 tds?

 

[BigGreenMachine]

I would like to hear other's thoughts as well. I can see Leon being a Westbrook lite. If Rex Ryan brings the Stingy defense run the ball like crazy blue print that Baltimore employed last year I can see Leon having a string of good seasons going forward.

Jets fan and season ticket holder...I have watched Leon throughout his time with us and he is as explosive as any back in the league. However, the knock on him is his size...he isnt a downhill runner which means when you need the tough yards through the middle you have to go to another guy. He is always going to be a very solid contributor...lots of YPC but IMO we will always need another complimentary back.Just my thoughts...

Thanks Big Green Machine.What do you think Leon's potential ceiling is the next two years. If the stars aligned and say he gets close to 200 carries? Do you think he could put up stats like this? 200 rushes 900 yds 6 tds 55 recs 610 yds 3 tds?

In the next 2 years I think his ceiling is going to be raised considerably and here is why I think this.Leon is going to get a longer term deal...we know this. Thomas Jones is getting older and clearly the Jets do not want to re-sign him with the long term deal and the money he wants.This leaves Leon and Shonn...now of the two of them Leon is the proven entity...he is the guy you know what you can expect.Leon is a very good slasher and has surprisingly soft hands out of the backfield which for a rookie QB can make all the difference if you have a solid checkdown guy.Prediction: 185 rushes 700+ yards 4 TDs (someone bigger is always going to vulture) and catches will be tough to predict till I see more of Sanchez and whether they have a connection. As I said though, the sky is the limit for him after next year.

 

[prgromek]

Peter King from SI thinks Washington will approach 300 touches this season.

It's scary how late you can get this guy in drafts. He could be PPR gold.

 

[JMJ]

Leon is by far and away the Jets best offensive player. Nobody else is even close. He has deserved more touches than he gets for 3 straight years and that is one reason why I am so pissed we didn't fire Brian Schottenheimer along with Magidiot this past season.

Though Leon should rack up more than 1,000 combined yards from scrimmage this year he will not score enough TDs to make him a reliable fantasy starter. He is a big play machine so he will still get 6 TDs or so probably all coming from 15+ yards or out so if you get bonus points for that he is more viable, but any time the Jets get inside the 20 it will be TJ and Greene toting the rock.

<----------- Jets season ticket holder.

 

[nlgb1]

after leons performance the bulk of this preseason, is there any doubt that he can contribute more than he has in the past? if he keeps playing like this, ryan and schottenheimer will have no choice but to feature him more in their offense.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Peter King from SI thinks

Whatever Peter King "Thinks" don't pay ANY attention, the guy is a total fool.

 

[Banger]

He's a screaming buy in dynasty/keeper leagues and I think he's far and away the Jets best back this year. The difference between he and Jones is night and day. I'm not just talking about the stat lines, although they are ridiculously in Washington's favor, but just the speed and quickness. If you watched tonight's game you can see it....he seems to get 7 yards every time he touches the ball.

They have a great line and T. Jones was a top 5 back last year. He's gone after this year and the coach has said that he loves Washington and will get him the ball a lot more. It's a new regime and you have to listen to the new coach and what he's saying and basically throw out how he and Washington were used last year because it likely won't be the same. He's going to get a long term deal and Jones is a lame duck. I still think Jones will get carries but they will be 1st and 2nd down carries in the 1st half, then you bring in Washington and watch him gash the defense.

He's a terrific guy to target where he's being drafted as I definitely think he'll be a top 20 back this year and going forward.

 

[UnknownCoach]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

 

[Gopher State]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Washington is one of 10 players to ever record 300 yards rushing, receiving, punt returning and kick returning in a season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/R7lGf

 

[LBH]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

 

[the spanker]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

In 1-PPR leagues that award pts in return yardage like mine (1pt per 20yds), this guy is going to be a BEAST.

 

[Buffaloes]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

I don't think it's a stretch at all to forecast a top-20 RB season for Washington in PPR leagues.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I expect Washington's YPR to be underwhelming this year, but 60 or 70 catches are easily within his reach. The loss of Coles means more targets for Washington, but Sanchez will check down a lot this year. And often to Washington. He will be the safety valve, catching a lot of meaningless 2nd and 8 two yard catches. In PPR leagues, that's worth something, though.

Ravens RBs caught about 32% of Flacco's completions last year. If you project the Jets for about 300 completions, and factor in that Washington is a better pass catcher than the average Ravens RB, Jets RBs should get about 100 catches this year. Most of those aren't going to Shonn Greene or Tony Richardson, and Jones will probably only get about 30 of those catches.

 

[nlgb1]

I expect Washington's YPR to be underwhelming this year, but 60 or 70 catches are easily within his reach. The loss of Coles means more targets for Washington, but Sanchez will check down a lot this year. And often to Washington. He will be the safety valve, catching a lot of meaningless 2nd and 8 two yard catches. In PPR leagues, that's worth something, though.Ravens RBs caught about 32% of Flacco's completions last year. If you project the Jets for about 300 completions, and factor in that Washington is a better pass catcher than the average Ravens RB, Jets RBs should get about 100 catches this year. Most of those aren't going to Shonn Greene or Tony Richardson, and Jones will probably only get about 30 of those catches.

good point... i can easily forsee something like he did his first year in the league. 150 carries 650 yards 4 tds... i just expect the rec/yds/tds to be something like 55/450/4

 

[MCguidance]

I think many of you have touched on it, but there is a definitely difference between Leon in PPR and non-PPR. I think he will catch the 60+ balls that Chase predicts, and may score a handful of TDs, but I really feel that Jones could still have double digit TDs since he is going to be the goal line and short yardage back. This will hurt LW's value in non-PPR leagues.

If I had to predict numbers:

67 rec

475 yards

7.0 per catch

4 TDs

100 carries

450 yards

4.5 per rush

3 Tds

Not sure where this puts him, but those are pretty conservative IMO.

 

[the spanker]

I expect Washington's YPR to be underwhelming this year, but 60 or 70 catches are easily within his reach. The loss of Coles means more targets for Washington, but Sanchez will check down a lot this year. And often to Washington. He will be the safety valve, catching a lot of meaningless 2nd and 8 two yard catches. In PPR leagues, that's worth something, though.Ravens RBs caught about 32% of Flacco's completions last year. If you project the Jets for about 300 completions, and factor in that Washington is a better pass catcher than the average Ravens RB, Jets RBs should get about 100 catches this year. Most of those aren't going to Shonn Greene or Tony Richardson, and Jones will probably only get about 30 of those catches.

good point... i can easily forsee something like he did his first year in the league. 150 carries 650 yards 4 tds... i just expect the rec/yds/tds to be something like 55/450/4

Those are pretty close to my projections. Add in return yardage of about say about another 200-300 KR yds/2-4 TDs and your looking at total yds to be 650/1250/11.BEAST

 

[taz]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

I don't think it's a stretch at all to forecast a top-20 RB season for Washington in PPR leagues.

Lots of expletives flew in the room when I took him 7.4 in my 14-team PPR.

 

[the spanker]

I expect Washington's YPR to be underwhelming this year, but 60 or 70 catches are easily within his reach. The loss of Coles means more targets for Washington, but Sanchez will check down a lot this year. And often to Washington. He will be the safety valve, catching a lot of meaningless 2nd and 8 two yard catches. In PPR leagues, that's worth something, though.Ravens RBs caught about 32% of Flacco's completions last year. If you project the Jets for about 300 completions, and factor in that Washington is a better pass catcher than the average Ravens RB, Jets RBs should get about 100 catches this year. Most of those aren't going to Shonn Greene or Tony Richardson, and Jones will probably only get about 30 of those catches.

good point... i can easily forsee something like he did his first year in the league. 150 carries 650 yards 4 tds... i just expect the rec/yds/tds to be something like 55/450/4

Those are pretty close to my projections. Add in return yardage of about say about another 200-300 KR yds/2-4 TDs and your looking at total yds to be 650/1250/11.BEAST

Opps miscalculated.. that'a about 1200 yds in KR yardage so over 2000 total yds. BEAST MODE!

 

[brett5673]

Im not sure if Leon is kick returning this year

 

[the spanker]

Im not sure if Leon is kick returning this year

I've read no reports to suggest otherwise.

 

[flranger]

Im not sure if Leon is kick returning this year

I've read no reports to suggest otherwise.

Returned 4 kicks last night........................week 3 pre season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Im not sure if Leon is kick returning this year

I've read no reports to suggest otherwise.

Returned 4 kicks last night........................week 3 pre season.

He won't be the primary punt returner, though. Jim Leonard will handle those duties.

 

[the spanker]

Im not sure if Leon is kick returning this year

I've read no reports to suggest otherwise.

Returned 4 kicks last night........................week 3 pre season.

He won't be the primary punt returner, though. Jim Leonard will handle those duties.

That's cool. I don't want him to be over worked. As long as he's on KR he's gold in my league.

 

[GDogg]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

In 1-PPR leagues that award pts in return yardage like mine (1pt per 20yds), this guy is going to be a BEAST.

He finished as RB12 in my PPR league that awards points for return yardage . . . LAST season.He might be an every week starter for me this season.

 

[the spanker]

The Jets realize he's one of the most dangerous players in the league in open space. That doesnt mean they'll give him more carries than Jones. They like keeping him fresh, using him for returns and in the passing game. Most RBs his size simply arent given the opportunity to be a full time starter. Its hard to predict the exceptions, but they usually happen in a pass heavy offense. I expect the Jets to protect their young QB like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Oakland did last year. Barring injury, Jones will remain the starter this year.

Washington will lead the Jet RBs in touches this year, and is the RB to own for fantasy purposes IMO(at least in PPR leagues). Everything ive seen in preseason tells me that the offseason talk of getting Washington more involved in the offense this season was true. I think hes in for a good year, and should be a very solid flex play

In 1-PPR leagues that award pts in return yardage like mine (1pt per 20yds), this guy is going to be a BEAST.

He finished as RB12 in my PPR league that awards points for return yardage . . . LAST season.He might be an every week starter for me this season.

That's why I'm so high on him. That was last year and he should be more heavily involed in the offense this year. I plan to start him every week.

 

[buckeye35]

I love Leon, but we've been waiting three seasons now for him to get the workload we think he deserves. I keep thinking "this is the year", but there's only so long you can do that.

This is the one thing about Leon this year. A lot of people think this, but they are not taking into consideration that he is under a completely new regime. How he was used under Mangini has no bearing this season. Ryan loves him. He is the steal of the draft, if you get him in the right spot. For whatever it's worth, I believe he will lead the team in touches and help a lot of teams win fantasy championships this year.

 

[whodeywhodey]

 

[hotdogcollars]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

 

[whodeywhodey]

That probably the pick of that draft right there. I am happy to pay for his services in the 8th round.

 

[hotdogcollars]

That probably the pick of that draft right there. I am happy to pay for his services in the 8th round.

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

 

[fantasysharkctb]

That probably the pick of that draft right there. I am happy to pay for his services in the 8th round.

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

Sorry, but if your league doesn't have one individual ready to take Ray Rice after 70 or so players are gone, you league IS that bad.

 

[davearm]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

 

[the spanker]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

OK, so what is your point? I let them slide and so did everyone else in my league. We're by no means FF experts, but everyone in the league is a huge NFL Fan and has played in FF leagues for years.

 

[JTM]

why isnt anyone talking about him being the protege to thomas jones rather than shonn greene? imo theres no reason he couldnt excel as an every down back, especially with his receiving ability. am i off my rocker thinking that greene should be the change of pace back, not washington?

Nothing against Leon, but he is the smaller, more versatile back. His skill set dictates, to a degree, that he be the change of pace/3rd down back. Every down? Sounds great for fantasy teams but not so great for an NFL team.

Dunn, Barry, Westbrook...all good examples of smaller guys that carried the load consistently...off the top of my head, at least...we won't know anything until he's given the shot, and it sounds like Rex will be working him in more this year...stay tuned.

 

[davper]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

Not necessarily...You may pass on an RB that should be gone if you already had a decent stable of RBs and needed to round out the rest of your team.

 

[MCguidance]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

Not necessarily...You may pass on an RB that should be gone if you already had a decent stable of RBs and needed to round out the rest of your team.

Totally agree with this. Beanie Wells went 10th round last night. I was tempted to take him every freaking round but I wanted to have a decent WR3 and 4 (start 3 in my league) and I already had Jackson, Grant, Larry Johnson, and Moreno. You can argue that Wells may be better than the last two, but I wasn't about to ADD another RB just say, "Wow, look at my RBs! Can you believe he slid this far and I nabbed him!" Meanwhile I'd of had no WR3/4.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Yeah, I passed over Leon Washington several rounds. I just didn't need a fourth rbbc backup - hopefully between Bradshaw, Brown and and Rice, somebody gets a decent amount of work.

 

[Cenobite]

Have my draft coming up and would appreciate any info. as to where he is being drafted (ppr and non). I don't think he will be there in the mid 7th.

 

[JMJ]

Have my draft coming up and would appreciate any info. as to where he is being drafted (ppr and non). I don't think he will be there in the mid 7th.

I'm in a non-ppr league here in NY (5 Jets fans - 6 Giants fans - 1 Cowboy) and he went at 8.2. Normally players go faster in their own market so I think you are good to go if you're targeting him in the 7th. Let him hit the 8th round and further and you're on borrowed time. I'd say you might even have to grab him a little sooner though in a PPR.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

Curious what people think about the fact that he STILL hasn't gotten his extension. At what point does that become a problem? I draft next week and I'm wondering if he's not happy by then if I should worry.

 

[John Mamula]

Got him at 12.5 in my PPR league. Couldnt believe he was still there

I would say that too, except i also got Ray Rice at 9.8 My league isnt that bad, so i have no idea how this happened.

These posts crack me up.Essentially you just admitted to making questionable picks for several rounds in a row (in rds 7 and 8 by NOT taking Rice when he was out there, and in 10 and 11 by NOT taking Washington).Bottom line, if Player X slid several rounds too far, then you were part of the reason.

Not necessarily...You may pass on an RB that should be gone if you already had a decent stable of RBs and needed to round out the rest of your team.

this.he may have grabbed 3 top RBs in the first 5 rounds...grabbing a 4th RB just because he is "value" over other needed positions in the 7-8 rounds is a quick way to win the best RB stable award while watching the other "idiots" battle it out in the playoffs.

 

[MCguidance]

Marshall Faulk thinks Leon Washington has the same kind of playmaking ability as former Lions Hall of Famer Barry Sanders.

In an interview Monday, Faulk compared Washington's play-making ability to Barry Sanders, predicting the Jets will have a successful season if they get the ball into Washington's hands at least 15 times a game.

"I've been watching Leon since he wore No. 3 at Florida State," Faulk, an NFL Network analyst, said on a conference call. "I always felt the guy had a knack for when the football was in his hands, he was going to make a big play.

"I call it the Barry Sanders effect. Whenever they handed the ball to Barry, you knew something good was going to happen. Even if it was a two-yard gain, it was the best two-yard gain you've ever seen. Leon has a lot of that in him."