LeSean McCoy built for a full load? (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

Seems like whatever regime comes in would want to keep the guy in a committee, right?

Think McCoy might be obtainable in a trade.

 

[Bayhawks]

Seems like whatever regime comes in would want to keep the guy in a committee, right?Think McCoy might be obtainable in a trade.

Huh? McCoy has averaged 20.4 touches/game over the last 3 seasons. He missed one game in 2010, 1 game in 2011 (he likely would have played in that final game, if the Eagles weren't eliminated from playoff contention), and 4 games this year as a result of a concussion.Why would "whatever regime" that takes over want to PUT him into a committee (since he hasn't been in one since his rookie year)?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Seems like whatever regime comes in would want to keep the guy in a committee, right?Think McCoy might be obtainable in a trade.

Huh? McCoy has averaged 20.4 touches/game over the last 3 seasons. He missed one game in 2010, 1 game in 2011 (he likely would have played in that final game, if the Eagles weren't eliminated from playoff contention), and 4 games this year as a result of a concussion.Why would "whatever regime" that takes over want to PUT him into a committee (since he hasn't been in one since his rookie year)?

Next time please do not introduce facts and research into your replies. People don't like that.

 

[Chachi]

Seems like whatever regime comes in would want to keep the guy in a committee, right?Think McCoy might be obtainable in a trade.

Huh? McCoy has averaged 20.4 touches/game over the last 3 seasons. He missed one game in 2010, 1 game in 2011 (he likely would have played in that final game, if the Eagles weren't eliminated from playoff contention), and 4 games this year as a result of a concussion.Why would "whatever regime" that takes over want to PUT him into a committee (since he hasn't been in one since his rookie year)?

Next time please do not introduce facts and research into your replies. People don't like that.

The Chachinator finds it amusing that the two badgers of the OP failed to comprehend what the OP said. But that shouldn't stop you two from snarky comments like the above. The OP was referring to Bryce Brown, not injuries!!!The Chachinator is easily amused.

 

[Ryan99]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

 

[loose circuits]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

 

[Amused to Death]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

For all the struggles Brown had at times, his flashes have earned him increased playing time on a rebuilding team I'd imagine. I'd expect him to eat into some of McCoy's touches. Any coach they bring in is bound to run the ball somewhat more than Andy and having 2 backs would be beneficial.

 

[Bayhawks]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

For all the struggles Brown had at times, his flashes have earned him increased playing time on a rebuilding team I'd imagine. I'd expect him to eat into some of McCoy's touches. Any coach they bring in is bound to run the ball somewhat more than Andy and having 2 backs would be beneficial.

We've been through this in another thread, but did his flashes earn him increased playing time THIS season, after McCoy return? No-he got 25% of the touches to McCoy's 70% in the last two games (D Lewis got the rest). Technically, I guess you could say his workload increased; he was only getting 14% of the workload prior to McCoy's concussion. However, after his two blow-up games, Brown averaged less than 2 YPC, and was immediately returned to strictly bench material when McCoy returned.

I know that for some reason you want Brown to assume a significant role in a RBBC, but you continue suggesting that he has "earned" increased PT, and there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

Could a new coach go the RBBC route? Sure, but until we know who the coach is, and what his coaching style/tendencies are, there's no reason, at this time, to expect Brown to be anything other than a back-up RB in Philly in 2013.

 

[Amused to Death]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

For all the struggles Brown had at times, his flashes have earned him increased playing time on a rebuilding team I'd imagine. I'd expect him to eat into some of McCoy's touches. Any coach they bring in is bound to run the ball somewhat more than Andy and having 2 backs would be beneficial.

We've been through this in another thread, but did his flashes earn him increased playing time THIS season, after McCoy return? No-he got 25% of the touches to McCoy's 70% in the last two games (D Lewis got the rest). Technically, I guess you could say his workload increased; he was only getting 14% of the workload prior to McCoy's concussion. However, after his two blow-up games, Brown averaged less than 2 YPC, and was immediately returned to strictly bench material when McCoy returned.

I know that for some reason you want Brown to assume a significant role in a RBBC, but you continue suggesting that he has "earned" increased PT, and there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

Could a new coach go the RBBC route? Sure, but until we know who the coach is, and what his coaching style/tendencies are, there's no reason, at this time, to expect Brown to be anything other than a back-up RB in Philly in 2013.

It's my opinion. You may disagree.For the record, I don't WANT anything for Brown. Just my POV as a fan. Again, you may disagree. That's cool.

 

[Bayhawks]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

For all the struggles Brown had at times, his flashes have earned him increased playing time on a rebuilding team I'd imagine. I'd expect him to eat into some of McCoy's touches. Any coach they bring in is bound to run the ball somewhat more than Andy and having 2 backs would be beneficial.

We've been through this in another thread, but did his flashes earn him increased playing time THIS season, after McCoy return? No-he got 25% of the touches to McCoy's 70% in the last two games (D Lewis got the rest). Technically, I guess you could say his workload increased; he was only getting 14% of the workload prior to McCoy's concussion. However, after his two blow-up games, Brown averaged less than 2 YPC, and was immediately returned to strictly bench material when McCoy returned.

I know that for some reason you want Brown to assume a significant role in a RBBC, but you continue suggesting that he has "earned" increased PT, and there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

Could a new coach go the RBBC route? Sure, but until we know who the coach is, and what his coaching style/tendencies are, there's no reason, at this time, to expect Brown to be anything other than a back-up RB in Philly in 2013.

It's my opinion. You may disagree.For the record, I don't WANT anything for Brown. Just my POV as a fan. Again, you may disagree. That's cool.

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

LeSean McCoy built for a full load?

The answer is yes.

 

[Chazzhawk]

It depends on the fumbling problems of Brown, if he corrects the problem then it will be Mccoy about 60% Brown about 30% and the rest of the team getting the other 10 percent.

If he doesn't fix the fumbling it will be Mccoy at 75% and the other 2 backs will share the other 15 to 20%

 

[Amused to Death]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

 

[Scooby1974]

In watching Brown, I believe we saw a young man with little experience but all the talent in the world trying to do too much. He grew leaps and bounds this season after an underwhelming college "career" (see only a handful of plays). He came in VERY RAW, but VERY TALENTED. Reid and his coaches,clearly recognized Brown's talent and allowed him to grow slowly. When Shady went down, the gloves came off and Brown got a shot as an unproven rookie. Brown learned a TON this year, and he'll continue to learn (how to secure the ball). Brown and Shady are gifted differently in that Shady is more shifty and quick vs Brown who is more North/South hard nosed running style. If the next Philly coach has a brain in his head, he will get the O-line put back together and let these two take the pressure off Foles. I could see a 60/40 split with Shady/Brown going forward. Lewis and Polk are there too for now, but are clearly not the talents that McCoy and Brown are.

 

[Bayhawks]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.

The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.

Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.

Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

You're an Eagles fan, I believe, so you should know that Reid is a pass-centric coach, and utilized his RBs as receivers a great deal, so I don't understand why you would focus on just rushing when you look at the last two games. Among Eagles RBs, McCoy got 72% of the touches in the last two games. Brown got 24%.

That is a an increase for Brown. He was getting 13% of the touches before McCoy's injury.

If that is the kind of workload you expect for Brown, then I think we agree, and I have been arguing with you over nothing. I fully expect next season for McCoy to get 70-75% of the RB touches (if healthy), with Brown getting 20-25% in a relief/breather type of role. If you believe that it will be a true RBBC where they split carries, I don't think that will happen.

 

[Bayhawks]

In watching Brown, I believe we saw a young man with little experience but all the talent in the world trying to do too much. He grew leaps and bounds this season after an underwhelming college "career" (see only a handful of plays). He came in VERY RAW, but VERY TALENTED. Reid and his coaches,clearly recognized Brown's talent and allowed him to grow slowly. When Shady went down, the gloves came off and Brown got a shot as an unproven rookie. Brown learned a TON this year, and he'll continue to learn (how to secure the ball). Brown and Shady are gifted differently in that Shady is more shifty and quick vs Brown who is more North/South hard nosed running style. If the next Philly coach has a brain in his head, he will get the O-line put back together and let these two take the pressure off Foles. I could see a 60/40 split with Shady/Brown going forward. Lewis and Polk are there too for now, but are clearly not the talents that McCoy and Brown are.

I think that is unlikely to happen, but you never know. It might be easier to make these kind of predictions when we see who the HC and OC will be.

 

[Amused to Death]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.

The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.

Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.

Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

You're an Eagles fan, I believe, so you should know that Reid is a pass-centric coach, and utilized his RBs as receivers a great deal, so I don't understand why you would focus on just rushing when you look at the last two games. Among Eagles RBs, McCoy got 72% of the touches in the last two games. Brown got 24%.

That is a an increase for Brown. He was getting 13% of the touches before McCoy's injury.

If that is the kind of workload you expect for Brown, then I think we agree, and I have been arguing with you over nothing. I fully expect next season for McCoy to get 70-75% of the RB touches (if healthy), with Brown getting 20-25% in a relief/breather type of role. If you believe that it will be a true RBBC where they split carries, I don't think that will happen.

Brown is more of a conventional runner. After McCoy came back, Brown's percentage of rushing attempts doubled. And why have you been arguing? I've been expressing an opinion. Must you argue with it? This is 2 threads now. Full disclosure, are you a McCoy dynasty owner?I'm done. And Reid's gone. Let's discuss the future.

 

[Bayhawks]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.

The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.

Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.

Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

You're an Eagles fan, I believe, so you should know that Reid is a pass-centric coach, and utilized his RBs as receivers a great deal, so I don't understand why you would focus on just rushing when you look at the last two games. Among Eagles RBs, McCoy got 72% of the touches in the last two games. Brown got 24%.

That is a an increase for Brown. He was getting 13% of the touches before McCoy's injury.

If that is the kind of workload you expect for Brown, then I think we agree, and I have been arguing with you over nothing. I fully expect next season for McCoy to get 70-75% of the RB touches (if healthy), with Brown getting 20-25% in a relief/breather type of role. If you believe that it will be a true RBBC where they split carries, I don't think that will happen.

Brown is more of a conventional runner. After McCoy came back, Brown's percentage of rushing attempts doubled. And why have you been arguing? I've been expressing an opinion. Must you argue with it? This is 2 threads now. Full disclosure, are you a McCoy dynasty owner?I'm done. And Reid's gone. Let's discuss the future.

Full disclosure, No-I don't own McCoy in any dynasty leagues; I don't even play in any dynasty leagues. The one keeper league I play in, I own Brown, but I recognize that his keeper value, right now, is practically nothing.An argument is a discussion of differing points of view. That is what I thought we were doing. You believe Brown will get a larger work load, while I thought it would not be more than 20-25% of the touches. It seems that I've mis-interpreted what you were posting, as it seems that you believe the larger work-load of Brown's won't be more than 25% (correct me if I'm wrong).

The fact is that McCoy was still getting over 72% of the touches when he came back from his concussion, despite the fact that he was supposed to be limited, and the Eagles were merely playing out the string. Another fact is that despite Browns' 2 huge games, he wasn't overly impressive. He averaged just over 3 YPC in all the other games. So, he basically beat up on two weak run Defenses (the Cowboys finished the year with an average ranking, but when they played the Eagles, they were so beat up, their rush D was much worse than it was in the early parts of the season).

Again, until we know who the new coach/OC is, we can't make any kind of accurate predictions, but based on nothing but their track records, it's hard to envision any kind of scenario where Brown gets carries in anything other than a "give the starter a breather" type situation.

 

[Hang 10]

And the terrible thread title award goes to...

 

[Amused to Death]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.

The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.

Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.

Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

You're an Eagles fan, I believe, so you should know that Reid is a pass-centric coach, and utilized his RBs as receivers a great deal, so I don't understand why you would focus on just rushing when you look at the last two games. Among Eagles RBs, McCoy got 72% of the touches in the last two games. Brown got 24%.

That is a an increase for Brown. He was getting 13% of the touches before McCoy's injury.

If that is the kind of workload you expect for Brown, then I think we agree, and I have been arguing with you over nothing. I fully expect next season for McCoy to get 70-75% of the RB touches (if healthy), with Brown getting 20-25% in a relief/breather type of role. If you believe that it will be a true RBBC where they split carries, I don't think that will happen.

Brown is more of a conventional runner. After McCoy came back, Brown's percentage of rushing attempts doubled. And why have you been arguing? I've been expressing an opinion. Must you argue with it? This is 2 threads now. Full disclosure, are you a McCoy dynasty owner?I'm done. And Reid's gone. Let's discuss the future.

Full disclosure, No-I don't play in any dynasty leagues. An argument is a discussion of differing points of view. That is what I thought we were doing. You believe Brown will get a larger work load, while I thought it would not be more than 20-25% of the touches. It seems that I've mis-interpreted what you were posting, as it seems that you believe the larger work-load of Brown's won't be more than 25% (correct me if I'm wrong).

The fact is that McCoy was still getting over 72% of the touches when he came back from his concussion, despite the fact that he was supposed to be limited, and the Eagles were merely playing out the string. Another fact is that despite Browns' 2 huge games, he wasn't overly impressive. He averaged just over 3 YPC in all the other games. So, he basically beat up on two weak run Defenses (the Cowboys finished the year with an average ranking, but when they played the Eagles, they were so beat up, their rush D was much worse than it was in the early parts of the season).

Again, until we know who the new coach/OC is, we can't make any kind of accurate predictions, but based on nothing but their track records, it's hard to envision any kind of scenario where Brown gets carries in anything other than a "give the starter a breather" type situation.

I disagree.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I understand its your opinion, but it is an opinion that doesn't have much of a foundation, IMO.

The fact is that if the Eagles hire a coach that has any kind of football IQ, he's going to recognize that McCoy is one of their best weapons (if not the best weapon). Sure Brown had a few great games, but McCoy has had a few great seasons. I would be shocked if a healthy McCoy doesn't get 70% of the RB touches in Philly next year.

Pre-injury McCoy was getting 81% of the non-QB rushing attempts. Brown was getting 15%.Final 2 games McCoy got 57.5%, Brown got 30%.

Yes, McCoy is their best offensive weapon. Brown may have earned more than 15% of the carries (by your own admission). Even at 70%, its less than he was getting.

Who knows what the next coach will do, but I find it hard to believe he'll pass more than Reid - and he MAY utilize more than 1 back. Brown is raw and MAY improve with more experience. He has shown flashes of greatness. I believe he may have earned more PT under a new coach.

You're an Eagles fan, I believe, so you should know that Reid is a pass-centric coach, and utilized his RBs as receivers a great deal, so I don't understand why you would focus on just rushing when you look at the last two games. Among Eagles RBs, McCoy got 72% of the touches in the last two games. Brown got 24%.

That is a an increase for Brown. He was getting 13% of the touches before McCoy's injury.

If that is the kind of workload you expect for Brown, then I think we agree, and I have been arguing with you over nothing. I fully expect next season for McCoy to get 70-75% of the RB touches (if healthy), with Brown getting 20-25% in a relief/breather type of role. If you believe that it will be a true RBBC where they split carries, I don't think that will happen.

Brown is more of a conventional runner. After McCoy came back, Brown's percentage of rushing attempts doubled. And why have you been arguing? I've been expressing an opinion. Must you argue with it? This is 2 threads now. Full disclosure, are you a McCoy dynasty owner?I'm done. And Reid's gone. Let's discuss the future.

Full disclosure, No-I don't play in any dynasty leagues. An argument is a discussion of differing points of view. That is what I thought we were doing. You believe Brown will get a larger work load, while I thought it would not be more than 20-25% of the touches. It seems that I've mis-interpreted what you were posting, as it seems that you believe the larger work-load of Brown's won't be more than 25% (correct me if I'm wrong).

The fact is that McCoy was still getting over 72% of the touches when he came back from his concussion, despite the fact that he was supposed to be limited, and the Eagles were merely playing out the string. Another fact is that despite Browns' 2 huge games, he wasn't overly impressive. He averaged just over 3 YPC in all the other games. So, he basically beat up on two weak run Defenses (the Cowboys finished the year with an average ranking, but when they played the Eagles, they were so beat up, their rush D was much worse than it was in the early parts of the season).

Again, until we know who the new coach/OC is, we can't make any kind of accurate predictions, but based on nothing but their track records, it's hard to envision any kind of scenario where Brown gets carries in anything other than a "give the starter a breather" type situation.

I disagree.

Browns a pretty explosive play maker, I would be surprised if the new regime doesn't recognize this and have some designed plays involving him, much like NY uses wilson. That said, this isn't a committee, Mccoy will do the heavy lifting.

 

[doowain]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

And when you watch Brown he looks very comfortable catching the ball.

He also looks very comfortable handing it off to the other team.

 

[Ryan99]

I'm not sure a team would want to trade for McCoy. He has a big, recently signed contract and just missed 1/4 of a season with a concussion. While he's a very good all around RB (receiving, pass pro), he's not an "elite" runner (Westbrook was a better all around RB in my opinion but McCoy is better between the tackles). I don't think any team would be willing to give up anywhere near his value in a trade, so I don't see him leaving Philly for at least a couple seasons. He's one of those "too good to trade away, too expensive to trade for" guys.

Bryce Brown looks like a talented runner but he's no AP and he has serious ball security issues and is not very good at receiving and pass protection. I think he'll continue to get carries but the split will be heavily in McCoy'd favor, especially in close games and on important downs. Maybe in a year Brown will look more like an every down player.

(edit) Also if you trade Shady there's no one behind Brown. The Eagles have tried doing this in the past and it didn't work out for them. You're really taking two risks if you make that trade: counting on Brown to produce and hoping you pick someone up that can be a back up. If anything it makes more sense to trade Brown. Maybe some team liked what they saw and would be willing to give you good value for him (he was a 7th round pick)

If Brown isn't good at pass protection, why did I see him stone LB's multiple times? If he's not good at catching the ball, why did the Eagles play him on 3rd downs? What about his 20 targets which he converted into 13 receptions told you he wasn't good at catching the ball? How can you say that with such certainty? Even if he struggled catching a few of those, it could easily be written off as rust.While I believe McCoy is one of the best backs in football, discounting Brown's skills is foolish to me. He's obviously very talented and saying he can't pass block implies that you didn't actually watch the tape

If you saw him stone LBs multiple times you also must have seen him looking confused on stunts and CB blitzes multiple times. And what about 13/20 for 56 yards do you find impressive? He's not particularly good at pass catching or pass pro and the Eagles' other RB is. I never said he was a terrible player and I'm not "discounting his skills" (whatever that means). The Eagles may have found a diamond in the rough with Brown but he's not polished up yet.In case you're wondering he ranked 86th in Yards/Rec among RBs with at least 10 recs. There were only 88 RBs that had at least 10 recs.

 

[Jercules]

Seems as though the 'loss' of Vick at QB should impact Shady every bit as much as Brown's emergence. Plus, now that he's had one concussion, the potential for a Javhid Best-type situation exists as well. I'd ship him off to someone who thinks he's undervalued because of Philly's bad 2012.

 

[Awful Waffle]

Seems as though the 'loss' of Vick at QB should impact Shady every bit as much as Brown's emergence. Plus, now that he's had one concussion, the potential for a Javhid Best-type situation exists as well. I'd ship him off to someone who thinks he's undervalued because of Philly's bad 2012.

Yeah, LeSean McCoy has a pretty noted history of concussions in college. Oh wait. He doesn't. Mychal Kendricks and Fletcher Cox had concussions in 2012, too. Good lord. IT'S AN EPIDEMIC. CUT THE WHOLE TEAM.

 

[Eminence]

Yeah, I always viewed concussions as being normal. But why do these guys get aggressive?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Seems as though the 'loss' of Vick at QB should impact Shady every bit as much as Brown's emergence. Plus, now that he's had one concussion, the potential for a Javhid Best-type situation exists as well. I'd ship him off to someone who thinks he's undervalued because of Philly's bad 2012.

Yeah, LeSean McCoy has a pretty noted history of concussions in college. Oh wait. He doesn't. Mychal Kendricks and Fletcher Cox had concussions in 2012, too. Good lord. IT'S AN EPIDEMIC. CUT THE WHOLE TEAM.

what has happened to the shark pool

 

[zilladog]

Looked to me like Brown got completely exposed. He had 2 good (ok, great) games against 2 not so good defenses. 3 fumbles in 2 starts? Really? How is this going to instill confidence in his coaches? Doesn't matter who the coaches are. 30-40% of the carries?? Ridiculous. He's a backup caliber guy. He can step up n a pinch and do some things. Outside of that...Nothing to see here.and YES, Mccoy has, can and will carry a full load.

 

[Norcalhoya]

How is McCoy's value affected by the hiring of Chip Kelly?

 

[Awful Waffle]

Well he wants to run the ball. I think you'd get a situation some people thought you'd get in Houston. The #1 RB Foster (in this case, Shady) becomes a #1 fantasy back. The #2 RB Tate (in this case, likely Bryce Brown) becomes a flex play and a #2 RB in good matchups.Other words: this should be great news for McCoy.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

How is McCoy's value affected by the hiring of Chip Kelly?

Me likey. May need to add Brown earlier than most backups though.

 

[Amused to Death]

Pat Shurmur to utilize Eagles' Bryce Brown in offense

So how will the Eagles' backfield look? Shurmur was quick to emphasize that second-year pro Bryce Brown will have a big role.

"Bryce established himself as a good player last year," Shurmur said. "He can score touchdowns, and that's a big deal, a guy who can get in the end zone. ...

"I think it's important that you use more than one running back. It's a long season, and a guy can run out of gas quickly. If you have guys who are different, you can use them in different ways, and you try to play to their strengths. I think that's important."

Thanks to NickDblU for posting this in the Eagles' thread.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Brown is a must cuff for McCoy owners

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Shady is going to be great value in redraft this year

 

[Sabertooth]

Yes, I'm buying in any league I can.

 

[Amused to Death]

The expectation is that Kelly will run much more than Reid did. Should be plenty of touches for more than one RB in his system. McCoy should be poised for a nice season.