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I'm pretty sure that is an unofficial time on a very fast track.
Done.
Word.
What do you say about his weight now?
Nothing really. I think his playing weight is around 200 pounds, same as before.
Portis had a thicker frame. McCoy was 193 pounds in high school at an inch shorter. I just don't see much additional size being added. Could be wrong obviously. Not sure if he lost speed or not at 204. His weight was the biggest issue surrounding him. His time wasn't very fast so who knows if he put on weight in the last month and it hurt his speed. He was saying he had been running 4.35s. I like the kid. I think he's a good player. Worries me taking as high as will be necessary to get him because he's very situation dependant imo. Its too easy to pigeonhole him into a change of pace type role. Yes i know Chris Johnson did it but for every one of him there are 10 Norwoods, Leon Washingtons etc.
You're suffering from ebfinitis.
http://www.squibkick.com/wp-content/upload...ush-running.jpghttp://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/LeSean%20McCoy.jpg
Since we are comparing, how about this guy?http://curveballsforjesus.files.wordpress....n-westbrook.jpg
Sounds like you heard right. Here's the story:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...rss&feed=15Draft Scout is saying he had a 29" vertical and a 8'11" broad jump, which is a much bigger concern for me than his weight or 40 time. Those marks are just terrible for a pro RB prospect. The worst I've ever seen. I could go out on a track tomorrow and do better.
17 reps on the bench press as well. Rosenhaus specifically mentioned that he was 6 pounds heavier as if that was their main goal. I honestly think they consciously tried to put on a few pounds and it may have hurt their other numbers.Draft Scout is saying he had a 29" vertical and a 8'11" broad jump, which is a much bigger concern for me than his weight or 40 time. Those marks are just terrible for a pro RB prospect. The worst I've ever seen. I could go out on a track tomorrow and do better.
Rosenhaus said McCoy's production — he rushed for 2,816 yards and 35 touchdowns in two seasons — should speak for itself, and he believes teams looking for a back will base their choice on his film."I personally think he's the best running back in the draft," Rosenhaus said. "I think he should be the first running back drafted. I told him I really don't care what he runs the 40 in or what he jumps. It's all about the film.Sounds like you heard right. Here's the story:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...rss&feed=15Draft Scout is saying he had a 29" vertical and a 8'11" broad jump, which is a much bigger concern for me than his weight or 40 time. Those marks are just terrible for a pro RB prospect. The worst I've ever seen. I could go out on a track tomorrow and do better.
So does this drop him below Brown? Have ANY NFL backs gone on to have elite careers with those kind of vertical and broad jump numbers?
From the film I've seen it goes down with Crabtree >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other WR coming out this year. If we are talking about RBs and just going by the film then Moreno, Wells, Greene are all ahead of McCoy. If we are just going to go by film then Shonn Greene is a top 20 pick, period.Rosenhaus said McCoy's production — he rushed for 2,816 yards and 35 touchdowns in two seasons — should speak for itself, and he believes teams looking for a back will base their choice on his film."I personally think he's the best running back in the draft," Rosenhaus said. "I think he should be the first running back drafted. I told him I really don't care what he runs the 40 in or what he jumps. It's all about the film.Sounds like you heard right. Here's the story:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...rss&feed=15Draft Scout is saying he had a 29" vertical and a 8'11" broad jump, which is a much bigger concern for me than his weight or 40 time. Those marks are just terrible for a pro RB prospect. The worst I've ever seen. I could go out on a track tomorrow and do better.
So does this drop him below Brown? Have ANY NFL backs gone on to have elite careers with those kind of vertical and broad jump numbers?
"He was the best running back in America, in my opinion, and when you look at the game film, it shows that. He's going to be a great running back in the pros."
Now that's Rosenhaus making those statements, not NFL GMs, but looking at the film one cannot ignore his production. I don't think we can be hypocritical with this and say it's ok to just look at the film for Crabtree and ignore all the bad stuff, but not do the same with McCoy.
In what world? Westbrook has a much thicker body type than either of those two.http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/nfl..._210%20copy.jpg
But that's the thing. I keep seeing him described as a slower Reggie Bush who catches the ball decently, but not as well. Bush, despite having great speed and falling into the perfect offensive scheme for him has been only a marginal NFL player. If Shady is similar to Bush without Bush's greatest strengths and won't be playing on the Saints, where does that leave his chances of succeeding?
If he plays for PHI, pretty good in PPR.
You could argue that the main reason for Bush's struggles is his lack of instincts. We don't know that McCoy will have the same problem. He has the potential to be a Tiki Barber/Brian Westbrook type of player. That said, his marks in the jumps are the worst I can remember from a day one RB prospect. I don't usually advocate downgrading someone based on the combine, but in this case the numbers are so bad that it really makes you wonder. How does a guy who looks this explosive on the field test this poorly in drills? Maybe he's not the athlete we thought he was.
McCoy's character is very good. Care to post a link explaining his character issues? " He doesn't have any character issues and takes pride in the way he plays."
I am not going to disagree with you on McCoys character, I personally haven't heard anything about him. I was posting what the PFW draft magazine said as to their thoughts on how he idolized Bush. The magazine actually went off and ripped Percy Harvins character too and I have never heard anything about his character either. You don't need to prove to me that McCoy has good character, I never questioned his character.
If his numbers were just borderline, it wouldn't be a big deal. His numbers are TERRIBLE though. I wasn't kidding when I said I could do better. I had better numbers than these in high school and I'm definitely not an NFL caliber athlete.I agree that you shouldn't let combine numbers be the sole factor in your analysis of a player, but when a guy has some of the worst numbers of any prospect at his position in the past decade, it might be cause for concern.
Pardon me for saying, but you failed to include his 40 wasn't that bad, and his receiving was outstanding. Sure his vertical and broad jump was bad, but the overall picture isn't as bad as you make it. Yes, he may have power issues, but he also has a lot of positives. Also, the film doesn't lie. He does break tackles and is unafraid to mix it up in the middle, unlike Bush.
I've been a McCoy fan for a while. When you just look at the games, he looks like the most explosive RB in the class.All I'm saying is that his combine numbers don't align with what you'd expect from a guy like this. The jumps are designed to measure lower body strength and explosiveness. McCoy's marks in those drills are literally the worst I can remember from a day one RB prospect. I definitely thinks it's worth factoring into your overall evaluation of his prospects.
It's hard to look at those drills the same way after reading this book. The combine events are like Olympic events that people train for, and a large part of it is technique. You can add several inches to your vertical leap just by holding your shoulder blades back when they measure your initial reach (in standing position). It takes five seconds to learn, but not everyone knows the trick. That's an extreme example, but there are all kinds of little tricks that have nothing to do with on-field performance, and a lot of these players go to camps to train for several weeks specifically for the combine events.I don't know if McCoy went to any of those camps. Based on his performance, perhaps not. But either way, I always believe the game film over the workouts in shorts. And IMO, McCoy can play the RB position better than anyone else in this year's draft.
DraftScout has a pretty good database with info on most prospects from the past 5-6 draft classes. The numbers aren't always totally accurate, but they're pretty on point for the most part. Day one RB prospects will usually do 9'10" or better in the broad jump and 35" or better in the vertical leap. Elite RB prospects will often hit 10'5" or better in the broad jump and 37" or better in the vertical leap.
I'll buy that to a certain extent, but I think most of these guys with big agents probably receive the same kind of preparation and coaching, so I think the drills generally offer a pretty accurate view of a player's raw athletic ability.
I tend to value the broad jump and 40 time more than anything else by a RB besides Height/Weight.Out of the RBs who did the broad jump at the combine this year 9'10 was the worst and that was Goodson, the best was Wells/Javarris Williams at 10'8 and we all seen Wells hit near 11' a few times. Others who participated were Coffee, Brown, Greene, Jennings, Kimble, Scott, Sheets. I can't find a jump by Moreno. 8'11 by McCoy raises some serious red flags for me.
Westbrook has noticeably thicker legs