LeSean McCoy traded to the Bills (1 Viewer)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

2013 Bills #20 in total defense (#4 passing and #28 rushing)

2014 Bills #4 in total defense (#3 in passing and #11 rushing)

yeah, Alonso at MLB was part of that #28 rush defense so they brought in Brandon Spikes and planned to move Kiko to WLB. He was young and undersized though...should improve.

 

[menobrown]

If the Bills had got AP I would in fact say they got a stud RB. A RB that gives them the ability to run with power and a homerun threat, a RB that has shown he can function without great blocking or even with mediocore QB play. I don't feel that way about McCoy with the Bills. He's a significant updgrade for sure but with a bad OL and weak QB I just don't think he's the kind of chain moving RB you can rely on with the kind of consistency of a Peterson.

problem solved

Not exactly.

 

[12punch]

I wonder if the Bills shopped Kiko around to every team. I would be disappointed, as a Packer fan, if the Packers did not at least pursue this option some.

Supposed Eagles were about to cut McCoy and shopped him around. Bills took 20 mins to throw Kiko at them and said sold.

One guy no one ever heard of tweeted it, so it must be so.

Bruce Arians said that he knew that McCoy was available but wasn't "the right fit." Don't know if he meant fitting the offense or fitting the cap.

Arizona has been a pretty decently run organization the past 10 or so years. Paying 10mil for any RB is pretty dumb in the todays NFL market. It's highly possible to get CJ Spiller, Shane Vereen, AD, Murray, Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush and Frank Gore all cheaper than that plus a deep rookie class. Writing certainly was on the wall for Shady, hindsight is 20/20 but it shouldn't have come as a surprise and the Bills could have just retained Spiller. Bad deal on their part just taking on McCoy's salary.

NBC Washington's Dianna Marie Russini reports free agent C.J. Spiller turned down a contract worth $4.5 million per year from the Bills.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Shady is every bit as good as Peterson.

Oh...sweetheart...

 

[12punch]

Shady is every bit as good as Peterson.

Oh...sweetheart...

you don't really believe that, do you???

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[Dr. Octopus]

I think just moving the big contract is good for the Eagles. They can be active in free agency if they want to. They may have guys they are targeting. Maybe they cleared space, added Alonso and will go after ADP or DeMarco Murray? There are a lot of RB options out there. Freeing the cap space creates a lot of opportunity.

The cap space they cleared would be used right back up at the same position. Murray is likely going to command close to what McCoy is being paid, plus more guarantees and a signing bonus (since its a new contract). AP may come a little cheaper but right now his contract is even higher than McCoy's so he'd have to be willing to restructure, plus the Eagles would need to give up something to get him.

 

[Pwingles]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

 

[-CE-]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

Apparently not the game where he had 22 tackles.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

I said he could be. Would have been a 3-way competition for 2 ILB jobs. Did you miss 2014?

 

[bostonfred]

mccoy is going to be a hall of famer, and will go down with some of the better career numbers of any back ever. Peterson's better.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

mccoy is going to be a hall of famer, and will go down with some of the better career numbers of any back ever. Peterson's better.

you wanna crown his ### go ahead and crown him, but the HOF is a long way away for McCoy

 

[Faust]

Here's why the Philadelphia Eagles won the big LeSean McCoy trade

 

[Shutout]

I think this pretty much nails it

Phil Savage ‏@SeniorBowlPhil 22m22 minutes ago Fairhope, AL

In Alonso/McCoy trade, each head coach thinks his system can "manufacture" production from position. Rex on D at ILB and Chip on O at RB.

Bills assume 10 mil, Philly 700k.

Bills get a Rb who has led the NFl in rushing, has the sickest moves since Barry, and his career low for a season is 4.2YPC (better than the typical average of a starting RB).

Eagles get a one hit wonder coming off a torn up knee whose only NFL production came behind playing in free range behind a dominant line.

Sometimes you get what you pay for.

If this were Adrian Peterson, even at his age and salary, people would be saying "OMG! Rex has a stud RB..He's gonna be awesome!"

A great deal of this reaction is coming from A) the rarity that big name players are actually traded and B)the short-term bitterness many Shady owners from last year are remembering as their basis of Shady.

People who pay big for players and get burned love nothing more than to see those players fail. But they forget that sometimes GREAT players have down years.

And sometimes they just dont look the same. There isnt a single Eagles fan who watching him the past 2 years that will tell you he looked as fast, decisive, ellusive etc from 2013 to 2014

I get your point but let me say I work with some bonafide Philly fanatics and, yes, they will say that. But to a degree that is like saying Oakland Raiders Randy Moss didn't look like Minnesota Vikings Randy Moss. When they say that, they are comparing seasons but they rarelt say outright that Shady has lost it or is breaking down.

Actually, most Eagles fans I know talk about last year and 1st thing out of their mouth is how the line was in disarray all year and that Chip is maybe trying to tinker in the scientist lab a little too much and maybe simple is better (and this coming from staunch Chip supporters...they love the guy. They just think that at some point you stop trying to tinker just to tinker and you use what you got at this level).

 

[GroveDiesel]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

I don't think he would have been, but then again, I don't know if there will be any effects from his ACL tear.

But both Bradham and Brown were ranked in PFF's top 10 tacklers at the 3-4 OLB position last year. And both are pretty good in coverage as well, especially Brown. Kiko is probably better in coverage than Brown, but Brown is probably a better run defender.

 

[Shutout]

Here's why the Philadelphia Eagles won the big LeSean McCoy trade

Nice article that does a good job talking about the logical financial side of this but there is a caveat Chip Kelly needs to understand.

He had better be da#$ed right about this move and get THE right QB on this team because otherwise, its a colossal fail. We know the players make a difference in this league and Shady is a feature talent.

If Chip gets the next Manning, yeah a RB that is 70% as good will hide the warts. But if he gets the next average but not great QB, and the Eagles can't get anything out of the running game to close games, etc, then this will glare.

 

[12punch]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

[Pwingles]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

I said he could be. Would have been a 3-way competition for 2 ILB jobs. Did you miss 2014?

No, he did tho..

 

[Bigboy10182000]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

OL got healthy and so did the run D's

 

[ryno1980]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think this pretty much nails it

Phil Savage ‏@SeniorBowlPhil 22m22 minutes ago Fairhope, AL

In Alonso/McCoy trade, each head coach thinks his system can "manufacture" production from position. Rex on D at ILB and Chip on O at RB.

Bills assume 10 mil, Philly 700k.

Bills get a Rb who has led the NFl in rushing, has the sickest moves since Barry, and his career low for a season is 4.2YPC (better than the typical average of a starting RB).

Eagles get a one hit wonder coming off a torn up knee whose only NFL production came behind playing in free range behind a dominant line.

Sometimes you get what you pay for.

If this were Adrian Peterson, even at his age and salary, people would be saying "OMG! Rex has a stud RB..He's gonna be awesome!"

A great deal of this reaction is coming from A) the rarity that big name players are actually traded and B)the short-term bitterness many Shady owners from last year are remembering as their basis of Shady.

People who pay big for players and get burned love nothing more than to see those players fail. But they forget that sometimes GREAT players have down years.

And sometimes they just dont look the same. There isnt a single Eagles fan who watching him the past 2 years that will tell you he looked as fast, decisive, ellusive etc from 2013 to 2014

I get your point but let me say I work with some bonafide Philly fanatics and, yes, they will say that. But to a degree that is like saying Oakland Raiders Randy Moss didn't look like Minnesota Vikings Randy Moss. When they say that, they are comparing seasons but they rarelt say outright that Shady has lost it or is breaking down.

Actually, most Eagles fans I know talk about last year and 1st thing out of their mouth is how the line was in disarray all year and that Chip is maybe trying to tinker in the scientist lab a little too much and maybe simple is better (and this coming from staunch Chip supporters...they love the guy. They just think that at some point you stop trying to tinker just to tinker and you use what you got at this level).

The OL without question played a part in his #'s and the way he looked, especially early on. That doesnt change him not getting the corner or making guys miss or having would be TD's be only 20 yard gains. He looked like a guy who was simply slowing down. He was my favorite Eagle and the only current one whos jersey I have. I love him as a player but he just wasnt the same guy last year he was in 2013

To your Randy Moss point I dont really think that's apples to apples. Randy had motivation issues and simply looked done because he wanted to look done so they got rid of him.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Here's why the Philadelphia Eagles won the big LeSean McCoy trade

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's why the Philadelphia Eagles won the big LeSean McCoy trade

It took Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly two years to figure out one simple truth in today's NFL: You don't pay running backs big money, not even a really good one.

LeSean McCoy is a really good back and it's shocking for most people to see a guy drafted in the first few picks of their fantasy league traded to the Buffalo Bills for a linebacker coming off an ACL injury. There are theories that Kelly wants to run off vocal locker room leaders, or that he's collecting Oregon players like Kiko Alonso, who will come over in the McCoy trade when it's official (Yahoo Sports' Eric Adelson had a great read on the Kelly-centric angles to the big trade). Maybe there's something to that, but I think it's much simpler. I think Kelly trusts his system to produce a back who can come somewhat close to replicating what McCoy could do, at less than 10 percent of the cost.

And that's why I think the Eagles won the McCoy-Alonso trade. It made too much sense for them not to do it.

The big numbers in this trade were $24.25 million and $1.69 million. The former is what McCoy is owed the next three years; the latter is what Alonso will make on his rookie contract this year and next, according to Spotrac.

Nobody is spending that much for a running back anymore. McCoy's cap number this year was slated to be $10.25 million. Buffalo's Rex Ryan might be the last coach in the league that believes in spending that percentage of a team's salary cap on a running back, especially one with six years of NFL mileage on him. This quote from guard Todd Herremans, cut by the Eagles this week, about Kelly is telling:

"I think he values the quarterback position in his offense the most. Quarterback and offensive line," Herremans told PhillyMag.com before the McCoy trade was reported. "I think other than that, I think that he feels like he can kind of, you know, the system will take care of it."
The Eagles' next running back is likely not going to be as good as McCoy at his peak. But let's say the Eagles pick a running back in the third round with the 84th pick. The 84th pick of last year's draft, Arizona Cardinals defensive end Kareem Martin, got a four-year, $2.8 million deal. At a little more than $700,000 a year, the Eagles would have a back making less than 1/14 of what McCoy was scheduled to make. That extra cap room goes a long way in free agency. You would think about the deal differently if it was announced as something like McCoy for Alonso, cornerback Byron Maxwell and another mid-range free agent addition, and that's what it might be when all is said and done. And then at running back, can a rookie combined with Chris Polk and Darren Sproles produce more than 1/14 of what McCoy would have? I'd hope so.

There's also the issue of whether McCoy is on the decline. His yards from scrimmage went from 2,146 in 2013 to 1,474 in 2014. His yards per carry went from 5.1 to 4.2 and yards per catch went from 10.4 to 5.5. There has to be at least a bit of worry that after 1,761 career regular-season touches that McCoy is slipping. And running backs can hit the wall pretty suddenly. That's one reason nobody invests in them anymore. Maybe McCoy bounces back, because he is an elite talent. Is that a $10.25 million gamble Kelly wanted to take? Obviously not. And is anyone here willing to bet on McCoy still being more productive than Alonso by, say, 2018?


Alonso can't just be glossed over. He was far from a throw-in on a salary dump. Assuming he's healthy (and an ACL injury doesn't generally ruin a 24-year-old's career, but you never know), the Eagles just added a fantastic inside linebacker. He had 159 tackles as a rookie. Pro Football Focus graded him as the second best inside linebacker in coverage in 2013. The Eagles got a linebacker who they can realistically expect to make a Pro Bowl or five before he's done. (And on the flip side that's what the Bills gave up, so even if it's obvious McCoy isn't returning to 2013 levels the Bills will keep paying McCoy for two or three years at least to justify trading Alonso.)
We're in the Disposable Running Back Era in the NFL. Kelly understands that. If he's right about his system producing a capable running game with or without McCoy (and he probably is right, by the way), he just traded a running back who had more than a 30 percent dip in production last year for a potentially elite three-down inside linebacker and saved more than $9 million in the process. Even if McCoy rebounds and plays at his 2013 level, the Eagles still got a fantastic young inside linebacker and a ton of cap room.

McCoy has been a star player, without a doubt. But it's hard to see how the Eagles lost this trade.

 

[12punch]

Here's why the Philadelphia Eagles won the big LeSean McCoy trade

It took Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly two years to figure out one simple truth in today's NFL: You don't pay running backs big money, not even a really good one.

LeSean McCoy is a really good back and it's shocking for most people to see a guy drafted in the first few picks of their fantasy league traded to the Buffalo Bills for a linebacker coming off an ACL injury. There are theories that Kelly wants to run off vocal locker room leaders, or that he's collecting Oregon players like Kiko Alonso, who will come over in the McCoy trade when it's official (Yahoo Sports' Eric Adelson had a great read on the Kelly-centric angles to the big trade). Maybe there's something to that, but I think it's much simpler. I think Kelly trusts his system to produce a back who can come somewhat close to replicating what McCoy could do, at less than 10 percent of the cost.

And that's why I think the Eagles won the McCoy-Alonso trade. It made too much sense for them not to do it.

The big numbers in this trade were $24.25 million and $1.69 million. The former is what McCoy is owed the next three years; the latter is what Alonso will make on his rookie contract this year and next, according to Spotrac.

Nobody is spending that much for a running back anymore. McCoy's cap number this year was slated to be $10.25 million. Buffalo's Rex Ryan might be the last coach in the league that believes in spending that percentage of a team's salary cap on a running back, especially one with six years of NFL mileage on him. This quote from guard Todd Herremans, cut by the Eagles this week, about Kelly is telling:

"I think he values the quarterback position in his offense the most. Quarterback and offensive line," Herremans told PhillyMag.com before the McCoy trade was reported. "I think other than that, I think that he feels like he can kind of, you know, the system will take care of it."

The Eagles' next running back is likely not going to be as good as McCoy at his peak. But let's say the Eagles pick a running back in the third round with the 84th pick. The 84th pick of last year's draft, Arizona Cardinals defensive end Kareem Martin, got a four-year, $2.8 million deal. At a little more than $700,000 a year, the Eagles would have a back making less than 1/14 of what McCoy was scheduled to make. That extra cap room goes a long way in free agency. You would think about the deal differently if it was announced as something like McCoy for Alonso, cornerback Byron Maxwell and another mid-range free agent addition, and that's what it might be when all is said and done. And then at running back, can a rookie combined with Chris Polk and Darren Sproles produce more than 1/14 of what McCoy would have? I'd hope so.

There's also the issue of whether McCoy is on the decline. His yards from scrimmage went from 2,146 in 2013 to 1,474 in 2014. His yards per carry went from 5.1 to 4.2 and yards per catch went from 10.4 to 5.5. There has to be at least a bit of worry that after 1,761 career regular-season touches that McCoy is slipping. And running backs can hit the wall pretty suddenly. That's one reason nobody invests in them anymore. Maybe McCoy bounces back, because he is an elite talent. Is that a $10.25 million gamble Kelly wanted to take? Obviously not. And is anyone here willing to bet on McCoy still being more productive than Alonso by, say, 2018?

Alonso can't just be glossed over. He was far from a throw-in on a salary dump. Assuming he's healthy (and an ACL injury doesn't generally ruin a 24-year-old's career, but you never know), the Eagles just added a fantastic inside linebacker. He had 159 tackles as a rookie. Pro Football Focus graded him as the second best inside linebacker in coverage in 2013. The Eagles got a linebacker who they can realistically expect to make a Pro Bowl or five before he's done. (And on the flip side that's what the Bills gave up, so even if it's obvious McCoy isn't returning to 2013 levels the Bills will keep paying McCoy for two or three years at least to justify trading Alonso.)

We're in the Disposable Running Back Era in the NFL. Kelly understands that. If he's right about his system producing a capable running game with or without McCoy (and he probably is right, by the way), he just traded a running back who had more than a 30 percent dip in production last year for a potentially elite three-down inside linebacker and saved more than $9 million in the process. Even if McCoy rebounds and plays at his 2013 level, the Eagles still got a fantastic young inside linebacker and a ton of cap room.

McCoy has been a star player, without a doubt. But it's hard to see how the Eagles lost this trade.

yeah, we know how to use links

 

[humpback]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

 

[-CE-]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

Your use of YPC in discussing league leaders for rushing yards is wrong on several levels.

 

[humpback]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

Your use of YPC in discussing league leaders for rushing yards is wrong on several levels.

It helps to answer the question- volume. Your use of total rushing yards in discussing ability is wrong on several levels.

 

[-CE-]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

Your use of YPC in discussing league leaders for rushing yards is wrong on several levels.

It helps to answer the question- volume. Your use of total rushing yards in discussing ability is wrong on several levels.

The only time someone's ability was discussed was with the question "why was his 2nd half better than his 1st," to which point: again your logic fails.

Are you really going to attempt to back up, "Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know..."??

He finished third in yards with 22 more carries than the number two rusher. I understand math can be hard for some people.

 

[humpback]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

Your use of YPC in discussing league leaders for rushing yards is wrong on several levels.

It helps to answer the question- volume. Your use of total rushing yards in discussing ability is wrong on several levels.

The only time someone's ability was discussed was with the question "why was his 2nd half better than his 1st," to which point: again your logic fails.

Are you really going to attempt to back up, "Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know..."??

He finished third in yards with 22 more carries than the number two rusher. I understand math can be hard for some people.

 

[GoBirds]

Wonder if he sees any stacked boxes in Buffalo.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

I said he could be. Would have been a 3-way competition for 2 ILB jobs.Did you miss 2014?

I read your original post, you called him a backup. He would have been Bills best defensive player imo. Finished runner up for Defensive rookie of the year , many though he deserved it, and also won Pro Football writers Defensive rookie of the year award. He then got injured.

Spin it how you want but this was not a good deal.

 

[Insein]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Oline was in shambles beginning of the year. Shady also looked a bit off beginning of the year. He did finish strong despite the lack of TDs. 30th ranked run blocking probably had a lot to do with the first 8 games having anywhere from 2 to 4 backups on the line. Main reason Foles got hurt and was backpedaling for his life.

 

[JetMaxx]

Hate to say it but it's only a matter of time before one of those hard cuts crumples his ACL.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

If Chip believes it's the system, wouldn't it be something if he signs Ray Rice for the minimum. Rice claims his poor 2013 showing was injury related. He was a producer before that, including the passing game, similar to McCoy. If ever a HC had job security to take a chance on a player like Rice and with it the publicity hit, it's Kelly. Plus, the city went through this sort of thing before when Vick signed post-jail time. I'm not predicting Rice to Philly, but throwing it out there as a possibility.

 

[Insein]

If Chip believes it's the system, wouldn't it be something if he signs Ray Rice for the minimum. Rice claims his poor 2013 showing was injury related. He was a producer before that, including the passing game, similar to McCoy. If ever a HC had job security to take a chance on a player like Rice and with it the publicity hit, it's Kelly. Plus, the city went through this sort of thing before when Vick signed post-jail time. I'm not predicting Rice to Philly, but throwing it out there as a possibility.

Not the the thread to go into detail but not a chance.

 

[ryno1980]

if mccoy's ability is eroding, why was his 2nd half better than his first half?

also, how did he finish 3rd in the league in rushing yards while playing behind the 30th best run blocking unit in the league?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards

these stats wrong?

No, but neither are these:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

Your use of YPC in discussing league leaders for rushing yards is wrong on several levels.

It helps to answer the question- volume. Your use of total rushing yards in discussing ability is wrong on several levels.

The only time someone's ability was discussed was with the question "why was his 2nd half better than his 1st," to which point: again your logic fails.

Are you really going to attempt to back up, "Since he finished fourth in rushing yards and had 50 more carries than the No. 2 rusher and 22 more than the No. 3 rusher, I don't know..."??

He finished third in yards with 22 more carries than the number two rusher. I understand math can be hard for some people.

Ha, oh my bad, the filter was on yards/game and didn't realize it. Point is, he was second in carries, if he's not at least third in total yards, he's got a serious problem (even if you want to blame the line.) I watched enough to see McCoy trying to make big runs when he should take the 2 yards that are there. Personally, at least at times, I think he made the line look worse than it was by trying to do too much.

And if you're going to use those Football Outsiders rankings to blame the offensive line for his "down" season in 2014, then look at 2013. The line was rated 25th and McCoy ranked at or near the top in the FO running back rankings. In 2014, they ranked him in the 20s in their efficiency rankings. So maybe you can't just blame the line for his drop-off in efficiency.

 

[bostonfred]

Would love to see this trade fall through somehow to see eagles fans get whiplash talking about how good shady is again.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

FWIW, I like the Ryan hire, but I don't like this trade for Buf.

 

[Insein]

Would love to see this trade fall through somehow to see eagles fans get whiplash talking about how good shady is again.

I doubt there's as many as you think. Vocal minority being amplified by talk radio as usual.As for shady, he is no longer an Eagle either way.

A) He reports to Buffalo, gets paid $10 mil for this season.

B) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady gets cut. He'll then be free to sign with whomever he wants for market rate. Probably about $6 mil per year.

C) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady is used as a piece in the Mariota deal.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Lol @ whoever called Kiko a backup. Wth were you watching in 2013?

I said he could be. Would have been a 3-way competition for 2 ILB jobs.Did you miss 2014?

I read your original post, you called him a backup. He would have been Bills best defensive player imo. Finished runner up for Defensive rookie of the year , many though he deserved it, and also won Pro Football writers Defensive rookie of the year award. He then got injured.Spin it how you want but this was not a good deal.

Just stop. There isn't a chance he would have been their best defensive player. Dareus, Kyle Williams and Mario Williams are all clearly better than him. Gilmore is probably better too.

And frankly, Preston Brown has the potential to be better too. He was PFF's #3 ranked OLB for tackling efficiency, is also very good in coverage and plays the run better than Kiko. Kiko is a better blitzer and better on coverage right now than Brown, but Brown was rapidly getting better in coverage too.

There are reports now that one of the first things Rex Ryan wanted to do when he was named coach was to trade Alonso. Word is that he didn't see him as a scheme fit and there are questions about his durability.

 

[DropKick]

People have short memories. Spiller looked like an ELITE player when he had an OC that had a clue. 6 yards per carry, 1244 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 43 catches, 450 yards receiving, and 2 passing TDs. He's better than people think if you just judge him on how the Bills used him. Remember how Randy Moss looked in Oakland, and then 1 year later in NE? Teams and OC can GREATLY affect a player's value...

Coaches play the better player. And Spiller couldn't beat out a guy twice his age.

Jackson posted 1,000 yards with Lynch in town. He is a very good back.

 

[DropKick]

Would love to see this trade fall through somehow to see eagles fans get whiplash talking about how good shady is again.

I doubt there's as many as you think. Vocal minority being amplified by talk radio as usual.As for shady, he is no longer an Eagle either way.

A) He reports to Buffalo, gets paid $10 mil for this season.

B) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady gets cut. He'll then be free to sign with whomever he wants for market rate. Probably about $6 mil per year.

C) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady is used as a piece in the Mariota deal.

renege - go back on a promise

Sorry, just for future reference...

 

[DropKick]

FWIW, I like the Ryan hire, but I don't like this trade for Buf.

Depends on how much Shady has in the tank. A little expensive the first season but reasonable over three. Rex wants to play defense and run the ball. Between Shady/Jackson, they could be formidable. That formula can travel well and can certainly hold up in December in Buffalo,

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

If Chip believes it's the system, wouldn't it be something if he signs Ray Rice for the minimum. Rice claims his poor 2013 showing was injury related. He was a producer before that, including the passing game, similar to McCoy. If ever a HC had job security to take a chance on a player like Rice and with it the publicity hit, it's Kelly. Plus, the city went through this sort of thing before when Vick signed post-jail time. I'm not predicting Rice to Philly, but throwing it out there as a possibility.

I just don't see it. I see fresher younger legs there.

Lots of miles + one of the worst RBs in league 2013 + year off + unneeded distraction on a mediocre player.

I don't know if he's scheduled to be there or not, but if there's 1 guy that needs to attend that NFL veteran combine....it's Ray Rice. He's going to struggle like hell to find another NFL job.

 

[Insein]

Would love to see this trade fall through somehow to see eagles fans get whiplash talking about how good shady is again.

I doubt there's as many as you think. Vocal minority being amplified by talk radio as usual.As for shady, he is no longer an Eagle either way.

A) He reports to Buffalo, gets paid $10 mil for this season.

B) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady gets cut. He'll then be free to sign with whomever he wants for market rate. Probably about $6 mil per year.

C) He fails to report, Buffalo renigs the trade and Shady is used as a piece in the Mariota deal.

renege - go back on a promise

Sorry, just for future reference...

When you type on a phone it doesn't always come out the way you typed it. Sometimes the phone is an #######.

 

[12punch]

maybe you got a racist phone

 

[smapdi]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season. Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

 

[trader jake]

Wonder if he sees any stacked boxes in Buffalo.

There's no need to bring Travis Henry into the discussion.

 

[JetMaxx]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season. Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

McCoy or Alonso, Ingram, and Boling?