LeSean McCoy traded to the Bills (1 Viewer)

[LBH]

I love this for the Bills. Shady was underutilized as a receiver and I think he won't be with Buffalo. He's going to get a lot of volume.

Alonso is a very good LB but Bradham is solid and Preston Brown showed great last year as a rookie

 

[Casting Couch]

sorry mccoy owners

why you say that? RR is about as committed to the run as you can be, at least fantasy wise, i dont see this as a death sentence

to be fair, RIP him ever being in the playoffs again tho

It's a small downgrade for McCoy fantasywise, imo

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

McCoy put up PFF's second highest single season rating for a RB in 2013. He had the 3rd most RB yards since being drafted. Anyone acting like Shady isn't an elite player or that Spiller is better is just being foolish.

If you want to make arguments that Shady's contract makes it a bad deal, or that the deep RB draft makes the trade a bad idea, I can see that. But to pretend that:

A) The Eagles already got Spiller and that

B) He's as good or better than Shady is silly

This endless blind hope from Bills fans is so cute. And nobody knows how good Spiller is or isn't because the Bills so grossly misused him. We've seen a glimpse. It would be nice to see Spiller on the Eagles and then see McCoy on the Bills. Might be a different conversation then.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Kiko is a backup?

NFL network just called him a star linebacker.

Which he is. If he stays healthy he will be a many time pro-bowler, IMO.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There will be a domino effect after this.

 

[TwinTurbo]

People have short memories. Spiller looked like an ELITE player when he had an OC that had a clue. 6 yards per carry, 1244 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 43 catches, 450 yards receiving, and 2 passing TDs. He's better than people think if you just judge him on how the Bills used him. Remember how Randy Moss looked in Oakland, and then 1 year later in NE? Teams and OC can GREATLY affect a player's value...

Coaches play the better player. And Spiller couldn't beat out a guy twice his age.

They got rid of Marshawn Lynch too. Sometimes coaches are just stupid, which is why they get fired a lot. But I give credit to whoever scouts RBs for the Bills. They have an eye for talent. It's too bad they haven't been able to find a QB too.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SharpFootball: PHI ranked #1 in run blocking each of the last 2 yrs.

BUF ranked #25 & #32 last 2 yrs.

Tougher sledding.

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[tdmills]

People have short memories. Spiller looked like an ELITE player when he had an OC that had a clue. 6 yards per carry, 1244 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 43 catches, 450 yards receiving, and 2 passing TDs. He's better than people think if you just judge him on how the Bills used him. Remember how Randy Moss looked in Oakland, and then 1 year later in NE? Teams and OC can GREATLY affect a player's value...

1 year out of 5 he has lived up to expectations...that's on the OC?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This will turn out to be Kiko and Spiller for McCoy. Big advantage Eagles

Without reading the whole thread... has there been much discussion re: this possibility? Everyone's assuming Jets, but the eagles are a winning team and wouldn't the Kelly offense be great for Spiller?

 

[lod01]

I love this for the Bills. Shady was underutilized as a receiver and I think he won't be with Buffalo. He's going to get a lot of volume.

Alonso is a very good LB but Bradham is solid and Preston Brown showed great last year as a rookie

Interesting as everything points to the fact that he will be underutilized as a receiver.

No QB to get him the ball, Roman as OC who weighed heavily on the turning of Frank Gore from a multipurpose RB to a one dimensional RB. His catches dropped dramatically under Roman.

 

[RUSF18]

And the Niners red zone offense was terrible under Roman/Harbaugh. Check TD% rate over the last three years. Those TDs are staying down.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Kiko is a backup?

NFL network just called him a star linebacker.

Which he is. If he stays healthy he will be a many time pro-bowler, IMO.

hard to call him a star when he played one yr and missed an entire another

 

[Devine Intervention]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

 

[ROCKET]

Why wouldn't the Bills just go after Ingram when he hits free agency and keep a young, cheap stud like Alonso? They would have saved money, kept a valuable, young, high upside lb who at worst would have given them trade leverage down the road (not to mention lb depth or starter?).

I don't see any falloff having Ingram over McCoy, actually I like Ingram better going forward. Stupid trade for Buffalo IMO given the options they had.

 

[ratbast]

They have sproles, dont they?

 

[ryno1980]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

That's how it works: Linebackers look better behind a great D-line. One thing being true doesn't translate to Alonso not being productive somewhere else.

 

[Donnybrook]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

 

[ROCKET]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

Not to mention his recent abuse of 4 year old kids.

 

[GoBirds]

At least we shipped him to the Bills and not inside the division.

 

[destro]

It's pretty hard to trade a RB for another player or pick in the NFL these days and NOT clearly win the trade. McCoy's contract and Alonso's age and pedigree make it even worse. The Richardson trade was a clear slam dunk win for Cleveland from day one, just like this trade is a huge win for Philly.

If the NFL behaved like some of my dynasty leagues, other NFL owners would be shouting collusion right now.

 

[Donnybrook]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

Peterson's 13 M vs McCoy's 10 M contract is a big factor as well.

 

[JohnnyU]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

Peterson's 13 M vs McCoy's 10 M contract is a big factor as well.

Reading Peterson willing to rework contract for a trade.

 

[ROCKET]

Philly should have thrown Sanchez into the deal too so he could reunite with Rex. That would be similar to those deals on tv where not only do you get the product A being pimped but if you call within the next 2 hours we will throw in useless product B.

 

[GroveDiesel]

It's pretty hard to trade a RB for another player or pick in the NFL these days and NOT clearly win the trade. McCoy's contract and Alonso's age and pedigree make it even worse. The Richardson trade was a clear slam dunk win for Cleveland from day one, just like this trade is a huge win for Philly.

If the NFL behaved like some of my dynasty leagues, other NFL owners would be shouting collusion right now.

Did you seriously compare a total bust to a mulitple time Pro Bowler and the guy with the 3rd most yards by a RB since 2007? Come on man.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Philly should have thrown Sanchez into the deal too so he could reunite with Rex. That would be similar to those deals on tv where not only do you get the product A being pimped but if you call within the next 2 hours we will throw in useless product B.

Sanchez is a FA. Just like Spiller.

 

[LBH]

I love this for the Bills. Shady was underutilized as a receiver and I think he won't be with Buffalo. He's going to get a lot of volume.

Alonso is a very good LB but Bradham is solid and Preston Brown showed great last year as a rookie

Interesting as everything points to the fact that he will be underutilized as a receiver.No QB to get him the ball, Roman as OC who weighed heavily on the turning of Frank Gore from a multipurpose RB to a one dimensional RB. His catches dropped dramatically under Roman.

I didn't realize how much Gores receptions went down. That is a good point. I'm still going to remain blindly optimistic as a McCoy owner

 

[travdogg]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

 

[ROCKET]

Philly should have thrown Sanchez into the deal too so he could reunite with Rex. That would be similar to those deals on tv where not only do you get the product A being pimped but if you call within the next 2 hours we will throw in useless product B.

Sanchez is a FA. Just like Spiller.

Perfect, he should be back with Rex soon.

 

[Donnybrook]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

Peterson's 13 M vs McCoy's 10 M contract is a big factor as well.

Reading Peterson willing to rework contract for a trade.

He still believes that he is the best running back in the league so I would be shocked if he makes major concessions. It going to be a tough sell for the Vikings.

 

[Billy Bats]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

After they cut Demeco Ryans, they'll have about 59 million free. I think they might sign a couple guys.

 

[Insein]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

Been saying Mccourty Maxwell all off season in the Eagles thread.

 

[mquinnjr]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

After they cut Demeco Ryans, they'll have about 59 million free. I think they might sign a couple guys.

Roseman must feel cold and naked right now.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We play the Bills this season too.

 

[Shutout]

Everyone talking about shady going to a worse supporting cast but how about Kiko, coming off a torn up knee, going to a team that has no where near the d-line that Kiko got the luxury of playing behind?

Brad ham and brown are good. The fall off isn't anywhere near as the upgrade a player like shady brings to the backfield.

If nothing else, remember the last time shady played in snow?

I think people are over reacting on the boards based largely on ff, but in real life, you now have a dominant defense with one o the best young wrs and rbs in the league. Nothing short of hauling in a top qb would have anywhere near this impact.

 

[BigJim®]

Ya, I don't see any way this move helps McCoy's fantasy value. Worse system, worse QB.

Worse than having Sproles take all 3rd down and Polk steal goal line? Isn't Chip looking to change QB?

 

[12punch]

@SharpFootball: PHI ranked #1 in run blocking each of the last 2 yrs.

BUF ranked #25 & #32 last 2 yrs.

Tougher sledding.

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yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens with shady going from the garden spot in reid and kelly's offenses to buffalo.

roman + ryan will no doubt want to run, but how much of san fran's running game was enabled by their line, and how much will buffalo be hurt by it?

 

[DeCleater]

Chip is in total control now. The wimp former GM would have never had the balls to pull off a trade like this. If Alonzo gets back to his rookie form this is a steal for the Eagles. Last year McCoy looked like he was trying to find a hole in the field to lie down in. Philly had to take him out at the goal line before he took a knee. Sproles was way better last year. McCoy needs a bigger helmet to put his head in. Maybe the change will inspire him to work hard again, good luck with that Rex.

 

[JohnnyU]

Viikings could have used a middle linebacker. Peterson's trade value is officially in the toilet.

His being 30 years old in a couple weeks has a lot to do with it

Peterson's 13 M vs McCoy's 10 M contract is a big factor as well.

Reading Peterson willing to rework contract for a trade.

He still believes that he is the best running back in the league so I would be shocked if he makes major concessions. It going to be a tough sell for the Vikings.

Not if he really wants out of MN

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Everyone talking about shady going to a worse supporting cast but how about Kiko, coming off a torn up knee, going to a team that has no where near the d-line that Kiko got the luxury of playing behind?

I don't know much about the Buffalo DL but ours played very well last season FWIW

 

[Bill]

This trade was a huge win for Philly. I cannot understand what Buf was thinking.

Someone mentioned it earlier but I bet Vereen ends up in Philly-not Spiller.

 

[Donnybrook]

Bills might want to draft Arik Armstead and or Jake Fisher. Just on the slight chance that the Eagles draft Mariota and want to shuffle Nick Foles off to Buffalo.

 

[travdogg]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

Been saying Mccourty Maxwell all off season in the Eagles thread.

I'm shocked McCourty made it to free agency.

So Eagles bring in either Suh, or McCourty/Maxwell, and trade up for Mariota too?

 

[3nOut]

If Kelly really wants Spiller as many here are insinuating and Rex is going to release him anyway, then why didn't Kelly just ask for him as part of the trade? If I were Spiller, it would seem to me that the Eagles didn't want me.

 

[Faust]

LeSean McCoy-Kiko Alonso trade: NFL reactions

 

[Slider]

Everyone talking about shady going to a worse supporting cast but how about Kiko, coming off a torn up knee, going to a team that has no where near the d-line that Kiko got the luxury of playing behind?

With Connor Barwin, Kendricks, Graham, Curry and Fletcher Cox at least 6 of the Eagles front 7 will be quite good. I know you know Buffalo but you undervalue the talent in Philly.

 

[trader jake]

If Kelly really wants Spiller as many here are insinuating and Rex is going to release him anyway, then why didn't Kelly just ask for him as part of the trade? If I were Spiller, it would seem to me that the Eagles didn't want me.

This trade won't be official until the new league year starts. At that point Spiller will be an UFA.Philly may or may not want Spiller but not having him in this McCoy/Alonzo trade has nothing to do with it.

 

[Insein]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

Been saying Mccourty Maxwell all off season in the Eagles thread.

I'm shocked McCourty made it to free agency. So Eagles bring in either Suh, or McCourty/Maxwell, and trade up for Mariota too?

I dont want to give up what it would cost but I think Chip is positioning himself to try everything he can to get him. I'm a believer in Foles but its looking more and more like they will go all out for Mariota.

 

[menobrown]

I love this for the Bills. Shady was underutilized as a receiver and I think he won't be with Buffalo. He's going to get a lot of volume.

Alonso is a very good LB but Bradham is solid and Preston Brown showed great last year as a rookie

Interesting as everything points to the fact that he will be underutilized as a receiver.No QB to get him the ball, Roman as OC who weighed heavily on the turning of Frank Gore from a multipurpose RB to a one dimensional RB. His catches dropped dramatically under Roman.

I didn't realize how much Gores receptions went down. That is a good point. I'm still going to remain blindly optimistic as a McCoy owner

Last 3 years the 49'ers ranked 31st, 29th, and 29th in pass attempts to their RBs. Last two seasons the Eagles were 18th(last year) and 22nd.

Fred Jackson, assuming he remains, was fantastic out of the backfield last year as a receiver and I believe he's a superior blocker to McCoy.

To compare the last two seasons the 49'ers attempted 899 passes. Philly attempted 1,124, with a huge spike coming last season. They are pretty close the last two seasons in rush attempts per season.

So McCoy just went to a team that should throw less, throw to their RB's less, on team that will run fewer snaps and has arguably a superior third down back on the roster.

I'm not seeing the reception spike.

 

[massraider]

With the money this frees up for Philly, does anyone else think they may be making room for a big splash? Maybe Suh? Or a couple biggish moves, like McCourty and Maxwell?

After they cut Demeco Ryans, they'll have about 59 million free. I think they might sign a couple guys.

Dang.