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LeSean McCoy traded to the Bills (1 Viewer)

destro said:
It's pretty hard to trade a RB for another player or pick in the NFL these days and NOT clearly win the trade. McCoy's contract and Alonso's age and pedigree make it even worse. The Richardson trade was a clear slam dunk win for Cleveland from day one, just like this trade is a huge win for Philly.

If the NFL behaved like some of my dynasty leagues, other NFL owners would be shouting collusion right now.
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Agreed. From a real football standpoint, RB's are insanely overvalued. A very good linebacker is the better player to have.....especially when he is younger and cheaper.

Great deal for the Eagles.

 
I cant believe the Eagles are gonna ball this hard for Mariotta.

Love the kid, but dang.

Gonna be fun to watch

 
Bill said:
This trade was a huge win for Philly. I cannot understand what Buf was thinking.

Someone mentioned it earlier but I bet Vereen ends up in Philly-not Spiller.
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I don't think so. Vereen = Sproles in terms of role. They now need someone to pile up carries.

 
Slider said:
Shutout said:
Everyone talking about shady going to a worse supporting cast but how about Kiko, coming off a torn up knee, going to a team that has no where near the d-line that Kiko got the luxury of playing behind?
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With Connor Barwin, Kendricks, Graham, Curry and Fletcher Cox at least 6 of the Eagles front 7 will be quite good. I know you know Buffalo but you undervalue the talent in Philly.
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Graham not expected to be back.
 
eoMMan said:
destro said:
It's pretty hard to trade a RB for another player or pick in the NFL these days and NOT clearly win the trade. McCoy's contract and Alonso's age and pedigree make it even worse. The Richardson trade was a clear slam dunk win for Cleveland from day one, just like this trade is a huge win for Philly.

If the NFL behaved like some of my dynasty leagues, other NFL owners would be shouting collusion right now.
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Agreed. From a real football standpoint, RB's are insanely overvalued. A very good linebacker is the better player to have.....especially when he is younger and cheaper.

Great deal for the Eagles.
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I think its a good deal for the Bills too

They were on of the best defenses in the league last year without Kiko

 
GroveDiesel said:
destro said:
It's pretty hard to trade a RB for another player or pick in the NFL these days and NOT clearly win the trade. McCoy's contract and Alonso's age and pedigree make it even worse. The Richardson trade was a clear slam dunk win for Cleveland from day one, just like this trade is a huge win for Philly.

If the NFL behaved like some of my dynasty leagues, other NFL owners would be shouting collusion right now.
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Did you seriously compare a total bust to a mulitple time Pro Bowler and the guy with the 3rd most yards by a RB since 2007? Come on man.
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No, I didn't. I compared the trades of those two players, which involved other assets and factors. And, remember, at the time of that trade, many people still thought Richardson had real potential. Even if Richardson ended up being a competent starter, that trade was a massive runaway win for the Browns. This one is a clear win for the Eagles, as well. McCoy is very likely to be far better than Richardson, but the Browns got a 1st, and McCoy has an enormous contract at a position with qualities that are the polar opposite of the NFL Quarterback: enormous supply, modest demand, cheap to acquire, and a short shelf life.

As I said, getting almost anything for a RB is great in today's NFL.


Pipes said:
This X100. As a Shady dynasty owner I'm so glad Shady is out of Philly not that Buffalo is a great alternative but I feel a change of scenario will be good for Shady.
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*Shadynasty owner


 
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a lot of people going on and on about shady's 10m like it means something.

I agree that in general it's probably too much at the position, but buffalo still has plenty of room --- how much is their qb eating up relative to most playoff teams?

how much are their receivers making?

 
cstu said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
@SharpFootball: PHI ranked #1 in run blocking each of the last 2 yrs.

BUF ranked #25 & #32 last 2 yrs.

Tougher sledding.

via @PFF: http://t.co/zZtPyyKHJT
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Oof.
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As a counter-point to that:

FootballOutsiders had Philly ranked 30th in run blocking in 2014 and 25th in 2013.

They had Buffalo at 26th in 2014 and 16th in 2013.

I really like PFF, but I think that their individual player ranks are much better than their unit ranks. Their unit ranks are basically just calculated by adding up all the individual ranks and that's not a great way to do that. With all the injuries Philly had and from watching them this past year, I find it extremely difficult to buy them as the top run blocking team in the league.

That's not to say Buffalo's run blocking was any good because it definitely wasn't.

 
Don't know how reliable this guy is, he's with the bleacher report..

Michael Schotty: Source tells me Eagles wouldve cut LeSean McCoy and were just calling around to find *anything* for him. Bills only took 20min to say yes.

10:37pm - 3 Mar 15

 
Bruce Hammond said:
Bill said:
This trade was a huge win for Philly. I cannot understand what Buf was thinking.

Someone mentioned it earlier but I bet Vereen ends up in Philly-not Spiller.
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I don't think so. Vereen = Sproles in terms of role. They now need someone to pile up carries.
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I don't think Vereen and Sproles are alike much at all. Vereen had the role he had because that was how Belichick chose to use him, but I feel he could have handled a FAR bigger workload as a rusher than he did. Wouldn't be surprised if he had several 200+ touch seasons in him on a new team.

 
From Adam Schefter: From Week 5 to the end of the year last year, McCoy had the 2nd most total rushing yards in the league.

Yeah, sounds washed up.

OR, he had a few bad games when the offensive line was dealing with a ton of injuries.

 
GroveDiesel said:
From Adam Schefter: From Week 5 to the end of the year last year, McCoy had the 2nd most total rushing yards in the league.

Yeah, sounds washed up.

OR, he had a few bad games when the offensive line was dealing with a ton of injuries.
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I love the guy but he didn't look the same at all from 13 to 14. Slower, less decisive, not as elusive etc.
 
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GroveDiesel said:
From Adam Schefter: From Week 5 to the end of the year last year, McCoy had the 2nd most total rushing yards in the league.

Yeah, sounds washed up.

OR, he had a few bad games when the offensive line was dealing with a ton of injuries.
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Did someone actually refer to McCoy as washed up? Maybe I missed it. Saying he's peaked and washed up are far different sir.

 
NFL-wise, this looks like a win for Philly. Adding a (probably) good LB with 2 years left on his rookie contract, losing a high-paid RB who played up to his contract in 2013 but not in 2014.

Fantasy-wise, this looks like doubly bad news for McCoy. First, he's going from the fantasy-RB-friendly Chip Kelly offense to Buffalo. Second, when a player is traded in the NFL it's usually more a matter of his old team wanting to get rid of him than his new team wanting to add him, which makes it a bad sign (and that does appear to be what was happening here, with Kelly shopping McCoy).

 
GroveDiesel said:
From Adam Schefter: From Week 5 to the end of the year last year, McCoy had the 2nd most total rushing yards in the league.

Yeah, sounds washed up.

OR, he had a few bad games when the offensive line was dealing with a ton of injuries.
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didn't he go into the year with turf toe?

 
Billy Bats said:
Don't know how reliable this guy is, he's with the bleacher report..

Michael Schotty: Source tells me Eagles wouldve cut LeSean McCoy and were just calling around to find *anything* for him. Bills only took 20min to say yes.

10:37pm - 3 Mar 15
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Thanks Bills. :lmao:
 
So looks like Alonso's ACL tear was July 1st, You would think that a team physical should show him mostly rehabbed, no?

 
Any IDPers care to weigh in on what Kiko might post fantasy-wise in PHI, and how his arrival affects the sack and tackle numbers for Kendricks, Barwin, etc.?

 
GroveDiesel said:
Donnybrook said:
Faust said:
Chip Kelly proving running backs, loyalty are fleeting in modern NFL
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"He is entering his seventh season and he will turn 27 this summer. That might not seem old, but in running-back years, it's ancient." - Pete Prisco
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Ok, and how many NFL players have been stars after tearing their ACL more than once? Seems like that's an overlooked piece.
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I would be leery of this, absolutely, but they have some amazing predictive models for athletes after surgery. One involves a video game like setup with all those sensors placed on the person and they analyze things. It was posted here a while back and rather fascinating.

 
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