LeSean McCoy traded to the Bills (2 Viewers)

[smapdi]

McCoy or Alonso, Ingram, and Boling?

I'll take McCoy over Ingram any day of the week. Ingram's best season was last year in which he went 964 yards @ 4.3 ypc & 9 TD.

McCoy had 1319 yards @ 4.2 ypc & 5 TD in a "down year"

McCoy is also a much better pass catcher as well with 300 rec & 2300 yards over his career. Ingram has 53 rec & 238 yards

I'd rather them sign Iupati or Franklin to man the other OG spot. The focus now needs to be on improving this offensive line. They still have 14 million to play with so signing a top shelf OG shouldn't be an issue.

Having Kiko Alonso would've been nice but they are set at LB already with Brown & Bradham- both of which are just as young and proved last season they can play in a top-shelf run stopping defense. I have a feeling they will make a run at David Harris who has been with Rex a long time- he loves to have a "Player coach" type vet out there to give him that voice on the field.

Rex Ryan and Doug Whaley know that this team's quickest path to the playoffs is through an elite defense (which they already have) & a top 5 rushing attack. Even if the Bills still had their 1st (which wouldn't even matter looking at QB's), they were never going to get a QB that could carry this team into the playoffs. Whaley and Ryan know this so they went out and got an elite RB in McCoy who is in the prime of his career.

Right now, the only thing that matters in Buffalo is making the playoffs period. It has been 16 years now since they've made the playoffs- 1999 & The Music City Miracle. This fan base is dying to make it back to the playoffs & it just so happens they were purchased by one of their biggest fans, Terry Pagula who also happens to be a billionaire. Money is no issue for this team anymore. No more "cash to the cap" BS; loved Ralph but he wasn't exactly a big spender. Under Pagula, Whaley has a blank check to get this team to the playoffs. That's why they paid Ryan 27 million to come coach here.

I almost have to double check that since it's been so long since the Bills' have been able to say that: money is no option & they will spend whatever it takes to bring in the best players to win games. You could argue under Tom Donahoe that they were literally just a business venture to make money; every penny was counted & their success was measured in how much profit that balance sheet said at the end of the year. Terry Pagula could not care less how much money it takes. He is a multibillionaire who loves the team and will spend whatever it takes. If they happen to lose 10 million dollars due to McCoy's contract this season, Pagula doesn't care. He's said before at a Sabres PC (Which he also owns) that if he wants more money, he will just drill another well (Natural gas/fracking is where he made his money)

 

[Run It Up]

I'll take McCoy over Ingram any day of the week. Ingram's best season was last year in which he went 964 yards @ 4.3 ypc & 9 TD.

McCoy had 1319 yards @ 4.2 ypc & 5 TD in a "down year"

Ingram only played 13 games in '14, garnered only 41% of the snaps (470 total), Pierre Thomas had 26%, Cadet managed 18% and Khiry had 14%.

Mccoy piled up 775 snaps (66%) in 16 games.

 

[smapdi]

Rex Ryan was looking for an "elite" RB to be the center piece of this offense & its new "ground & pound" mentality and they went out and got one of the best RB's in the league to fill that role. McCoy is a proven commodity that has 2 All-Pro selections and 3 pro-bowls under his belt; Ingram doesn't even have a 1000 yard season.

McCoy has 2926 yards / 14 TDs / 80 rec / 694 yards / 2 TDs over the past 2 seasons. He will be 27 years old at the start of the season. He has proven that he can handle a robust workload with back to back 300 carry seasons in which he started 32 games out of 32 games. You couldn't ask for much more if you're Rex Ryan and Greg Roman out of your featured RB.

Ryan wants to win on the back of his top 5 defense which will be the featured weapon of the 2015 Buffalo Bills- he wants to go after it Baltimore Ravens' style with a suffocating, tough, and aggressive defense. Obviously, you can't just win games on defense so he wants to minimize mistakes and control the clock with a top notch running game.

LeSean McCoy brings instant credibility to a Bills' rushing offense which had the fewest rushing first downs last season. This rushing attack averaged 3.7 ypc & had 1482 yards. The Bills didn't have a single 100 yard rushing performance all season- believe they didn't even have a player crack 80 yards. McCoy had 1300 yards & put up 159 yards against Dallas. It's hard to argue against McCoy being outside the top 3 in the league. He finished 4th in yardage in a "down year" (according PHI fans) & leads the NFL in total yards over the past 5 seasons

 

[cstu]

Some good points made in this thread by Bills fans. I guess I've changed my view on the trade and while I think it's great for the Eagles I also think it was a good trade by the Bills. I think it was a move they had to make to give themselves a playoff chance this year. There no good QB's available so all that's left is for them to play ball control to win games and hope their QB can minimize mistakes.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Trade helps both teams. Clearly. Not sure why everybody has to rush to declare a winner.

I love Kiko the player. Would have been very happy to have him around long term. But I'm excited to watch McCoy and I think he's being written off by too many people. Will be fun to talk about this trade and see how it works out over time.

Bills can free up enough cap space to make this an easy fit. Eagles have money to burn but it's not like huge free agent deals always work out great either. I hope Kiko crushes things in Philly. He had a magical rookie year, and could be special but it's not a lock.

 

[GoBirds]

Trade helps both teams. Clearly. Not sure why everybody has to rush to declare a winner.

I love Kiko the player. Would have been very happy to have him around long term. But I'm excited to watch McCoy and I think he's being written off by too many people. Will be fun to talk about this trade and see how it works out over time.

Bills can free up enough cap space to make this an easy fit. Eagles have money to burn but it's not like huge free agent deals always work out great either. I hope Kiko crushes things in Philly. He had a magical rookie year, and could be special but it's not a lock.

Agreed, I think this could be good for both teams.

 

[Faust]

Greg Cosell's analysis: Breaking down the Eagles-Bills trade

 

[Faust]

Weekly Twitter Observations

 

[-CE-]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season.Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

Remind me how great you guys were with CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch?

 

[Freelove]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season.Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

Remind me how great you guys were with CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch?

Which year was it that they had those guys, plus an elite defense that carried them to a winning record the previous year all by itself?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season.Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

Remind me how great you guys were with CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch?

Their defense was horrific back then.

 

[-CE-]

I'm confused how everyone is labeling kiko as a star?? He had a good rookie year under a great def coordinator in pettine and fell into some ints. Yea he looked really good but so did bradham and brown. It's easy to look good behind that defensive line eating up blockers. Don't be surprised when kiko doesn't live up to the hype.

I'm quite surprised how so many people are anointing Alonso a stud, future HOF LB in this thread. He's played one season in the NFL so far in which the majority of his production came in the very first month of that single season.Look it up- Alonso had an outstanding month of September his rookie year and then pretty much hit a wall the 2nd half.

He's missed just as much time to injury as he's played. He is coming off a torn ACL(2nd torn ACL) which he sustained working out @ Oregon in the offseason - injuring his knee while not even playing football is worrying. He also had to undergo hip surgery in college.

To the poster saying Bills' fan hate this trade is out of his mind. I love this deal from the Bills perspective. The Bills acquire an All Pro RB who instantly improves their offense in a major way for an injured LB that the defense played even better without in 2014. Just look how drastically the run defense improved this season over Alonso's lone season in 2013.

Bottom line: McCoy improves this pitiful offense drastically better then Alonso would improve an already elite defense.

I think both teams get better in this deal & it's foolish to declare the Bills are already losers for acquiring a 26 year old, 2 time All Pro RB for a new coach declaring they will be a "ground and pound" offense

Remind me how great you guys were with CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch?

Which year was it that they had those guys, plus an elite defense that carried them to a winning record the previous year all by itself?

My point was more towards the fact that just because McCoy was an All Pro in Philly doesn't mean he'll continue to be in Buffalo. They've had talented backs in the past but Fred Jackson was the guy to own there... whatever that says about the situation.

In the end I think that Philly shedding the cap space and getting a young LB (with flaws) to improve a bad defense is more important than Buffalo taking on a contract and getting a prime-aged RB (and you want to talk flaws? How about when he threatens to no show at camp for a new contract?) to improve a bad offense... mostly because they've had talented RB's before and seldom do well with them.

If you're a McCoy owner, I think you'll be fine this year. If you're a Buffalo fan - well, sorry.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Remind me how great you guys were with CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch?

Different coaching staffs.

 

[Billy Bats]

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo

Sources tell @FOXSports1 LeSean McCoy and the Bills are close on a new contract. Expected to be agreed to before trade is official Tues.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

 

[bostonfred]

Holy crap

 

[12punch]

i assume that 16m includes some kind of signing bonus -- like 10 or 12m

 

[Donnybrook]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFLNo idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFLNo idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

Agreed, didn't like the trade to begin with and like it less now.

 

[babydemon90]

Some good points made in this thread by Bills fans. I guess I've changed my view on the trade and while I think it's great for the Eagles I also think it was a good trade by the Bills. I think it was a move they had to make to give themselves a playoff chance this year. There no good QB's available so all that's left is for them to play ball control to win games and hope their QB can minimize mistakes.

Yep... While McCoy has hit his peak likely, he is still very good. I think it's simply a matter of Chip Kelly not wanting to devote that % of cap space to the RB position. I'm not sure he'd want to pay LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime that cash.

 

[hbkhbk]

Mark Ingram only worth half as much as Shady?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Mark Ingram only worth half as much as Shady?

McCoy is making Ingram's entire deal in the first year of his new contract.

Great work, Bills.

 

[menobrown]

Mark Ingram only worth half as much as Shady?

McCoy is making Ingram's entire deal in the first year of his new contract.

Great work, Bills.

I had posted in this thread after the trade was made that the best part about it for the Bills was McCoy's contract. They destroyed that today. I can't think of a worst extension being given out, ever. It would almost be excusable if the Bills were a RB away or something, this is just dumb.

 

[Super King]

Mark Ingram only worth half as much as Shady?

McCoy is making Ingram's entire deal in the first year of his new contract.Great work, Bills.

They're prolly giving him all this guaranteed money this year so they have room to resign Dareus

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFL

No idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

Because it lowered his cap hit by $5M this year. And by $2M next year. And kept it the same his 3rd year.

The Bills didn't make that trade with the thought of it being a one year move. The plan was always for him to play out the 3 years. And he can do that all while getting more guaranteed money and lowering his cap hit over those 3 years. And the way it's structured, they can cut him after the 3rd year with minimal cap implications.

 

[menobrown]

Big question I'm wondering right now is can the Bills pay or want to pay McCoy's $12 mill and Freds non-guaranteed $3 million? Seems harsh to cut Fred, but that's a lot of money at RB.

They will keep him - the Bills are going to run A LOT.

They have to because they don't have anyone to throw the ball.

Joe Buscaglia ‏@JoeBuscaglia 8m8 minutes ago

From what I've gathered, it's pretty shaky RT @Jeepin2012 what your opinion on Fred jacksons future?

 

[cstu]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFL

No idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

Because it lowered his cap hit by $5M this year. And by $2M next year. And kept it the same his 3rd year.

The Bills didn't make that trade with the thought of it being a one year move. The plan was always for him to play out the 3 years. And he can do that all while getting more guaranteed money and lowering his cap hit over those 3 years. And the way it's structured, they can cut him after the 3rd year with minimal cap implications.

Average of $9M over 3 years (including the dead money). 4th and 5th years aren't that outrageous either at $6.3M and $6.4M.

 

[menobrown]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFL

No idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

Because it lowered his cap hit by $5M this year. And by $2M next year. And kept it the same his 3rd year.

The Bills didn't make that trade with the thought of it being a one year move. The plan was always for him to play out the 3 years. And he can do that all while getting more guaranteed money and lowering his cap hit over those 3 years. And the way it's structured, they can cut him after the 3rd year with minimal cap implications.

Average of $9M over 3 years (including the dead money). 4th and 5th years aren't that outrageous either at $6.3M and $6.4M.

That all sounds nice but even if I took the angle of viewing his contract was being guaranteed this upcoming season they are now on the hook for $16 million more in guaranteed pay. I consider that a horrible deal if the goal was to make him "happy".

Clearing up some salary cap space the next few years is nice but there are better ways of doing that to kicking in $16 million in extra guarantees to a high usage RB you have locked up for the next 3 seasons.

 

[humpback]

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFL

No idea why Bills felt they had to give McCoy a new deal. So he'd be "happy"?

Because it lowered his cap hit by $5M this year. And by $2M next year. And kept it the same his 3rd year.

The Bills didn't make that trade with the thought of it being a one year move. The plan was always for him to play out the 3 years. And he can do that all while getting more guaranteed money and lowering his cap hit over those 3 years. And the way it's structured, they can cut him after the 3rd year with minimal cap implications.

Average of $9M over 3 years (including the dead money). 4th and 5th years aren't that outrageous either at $6.3M and $6.4M.

Before this deal, his contract only had $1M of dead money this year, then nothing. Now there is dead money in all 5 years, and it's still $5.25M in year 4, which is more than most RBs make. Also, his salaries in years 4-5 aren't outrageous, but his cap hit is ~$9M in each.

It saves a little bit of cap space in the near term, but adds a lot of risk in the long term.

 

[lod01]

McCoy: 'I'm pissed off that I got traded to Buffalo'.

Bills FO: 'We got $40 million for you'.

McCoy: 'I love the Bills. It's where I wanted to be all along'.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-mccoy-agree-to-40-million-deal-hughes-close-to-returning-20150308

The team would be a contender if they could get an above average QB.

 

[Freelove]

McCoy: 'I'm pissed off that I got traded to Buffalo'.

Bills FO: 'We got $40 million for you'.

McCoy: 'I love the Bills. It's where I wanted to be all along'.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-mccoy-agree-to-40-million-deal-hughes-close-to-returning-20150308

The team would be a contender if they could get an above average QB.

That team's a contender with Cassell.

All they need is a guy who doesn't regularly hand games to the opposition. There are at least 30 competent game managers in football, and Cassell's one of them. I see a stroll to double-digit wins this year, barring injuries to the wrong guys.

 

[lod01]

I think Cassell is ok but not above average. Certainly light years better than EJ.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

McCoy: 'I'm pissed off that I got traded to Buffalo'.

Bills FO: 'We got $40 million for you'.

McCoy: 'I love the Bills. It's where I wanted to be all along'.

I'm sure he would still be angry about the trade, but Chip Kelly today blamed a leak at the Buffalo end on why McCoy did not get proper advance notification.

 

[travdogg]

I think Cassell is ok but not above average. Certainly light years better than EJ.

I'd make the case that Cassel is better than Orton was.

 

[GoBirds]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

 

[cstu]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

Alonso, Murray, and Mathews for McCoy.

 

[Insein]

Damn I forgot this happened. Feels like years ago now.

 

[Freelove]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

This is maybe the single most laughable offseason I've ever seen a single franchise have. But if you guys feel good about it, more power to you, I guess.

The rest of the NFL is laughing at you.

And will be for years.

 

[Snotbubbles]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

This is maybe the single most laughable offseason I've ever seen a single franchise have. But if you guys feel good about it, more power to you, I guess.

The rest of the NFL is laughing at you.

And will be for years.

So I guess we'll find out how Bills fans feel.

 

[GroveDiesel]

McCoy: 'I'm pissed off that I got traded to Buffalo'.

Bills FO: 'We got $40 million for you'.

McCoy: 'I love the Bills. It's where I wanted to be all along'.

I'm sure he would still be angry about the trade, but Chip Kelly today blamed a leak at the Buffalo end on why McCoy did not get proper advance notification.

FWIW, Chip needs to go blame his own player if he wants to blame anyone. The Bills let Kiko know he was being traded and Kiko's agent leaked it to Adam Schefter. Schefter was the first one to make any sort of public comment.

 

[GoBirds]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

This is maybe the single most laughable offseason I've ever seen a single franchise have. But if you guys feel good about it, more power to you, I guess. The rest of the NFL is laughing at you.And will be for years.

Yeah, good luck with McCoy putting you over the top...same old Bills.

Getting 3 players for 1, with one of the 3 arguably better than the 1. Hard to knock it.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

FWIW, Chip needs to go blame his own player if he wants to blame anyone. The Bills let Kiko know he was being traded and Kiko's agent leaked it to Adam Schefter. Schefter was the first one to make any sort of public comment.

I think his issue was that the Bills jumped the gun telling Alonso. He made a big point of describing the process of how he and Fisher notified Bradford and Foles at the same time. (Of course that was after the McCoy snafu. Note, I am just reporting. Despite being an Eagles fan, I have no interest in being a Kelly apologist.)

 

[smapdi]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

This is maybe the single most laughable offseason I've ever seen a single franchise have. But if you guys feel good about it, more power to you, I guess. The rest of the NFL is laughing at you.And will be for years.

Yeah, good luck with McCoy putting you over the top...same old Bills. Getting 3 players for 1, with one of the 3 arguably better than the 1. Hard to knock it.

In case you missed it, the Bills top 5 defense is what is going to put them over the top. Rex Ryan is one of the top defensive minds in the game & I would argue this defense is just as talented, if not more, as the Jets defense he used to reach back to back title games.

McCoy gives this team the stud RB that is neccessary for Ryan's strategy- no Tom Brady at QB so you better have a top notch RB. Shady just leads the league in rushing over the past 5 seasons. He joins a team that didn't have a single 100 yard rusher last season; hell, they didn't have a RB reach 80 yards.

If the Shady acquisition (along with Percy Harvin now) can add an additional 50 yards of offense a game, that will propel this offense near the top 10. That paired with the top 3 defense Ryan will field gives the Bills 10 wins (which should've happened last season but terrible coaching cost them a game or two)

 

[GoBirds]

@AdamSchefter: LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports

So we got Alonso and signed this year's leading rusher for about 20% less guaranteed money. Chip not looking so bad anymore.

This is maybe the single most laughable offseason I've ever seen a single franchise have. But if you guys feel good about it, more power to you, I guess. The rest of the NFL is laughing at you.And will be for years.

Yeah, good luck with McCoy putting you over the top...same old Bills.Getting 3 players for 1, with one of the 3 arguably better than the 1. Hard to knock it.

In case you missed it, the Bills top 5 defense is what is going to put them over the top. Rex Ryan is one of the top defensive minds in the game & I would argue this defense is just as talented, if not more, as the Jets defense he used to reach back to back title games.

McCoy gives this team the stud RB that is neccessary for Ryan's strategy- no Tom Brady at QB so you better have a top notch RB. Shady just leads the league in rushing over the past 5 seasons. He joins a team that didn't have a single 100 yard rusher last season; hell, they didn't have a RB reach 80 yards.

If the Shady acquisition (along with Percy Harvin now) can add an additional 50 yards of offense a game, that will propel this offense near the top 10. That paired with the top 3 defense Ryan will field gives the Bills 10 wins (which should've happened last season but terrible coaching cost them a game or two)

Rex knows defense, no doubt about that. Unfortunately that is about it.

 

[Zyphros]

What is he going for in terms of draft picks? I tried to get 1.01 for him in a PPR league and it didn't fly, and I was shocked.

 

[bostonfred]

I think 1.1 is about right. The guy with 1.1 would probably rather have Gurley and the guy with mccoy would rather have mccoy, which is the sign of a fair market value. I wouldn't trade him for 1.1 before the nfl draft, personally, because I want to see if nfl teams are scared of his knee and see where he lands. if he gets drafted somewhere decent I'd probably take the younger player. I like buffalo fine, but its still uncertainty and for two good uncertain players I'll take the younger one by default

 

[Zyphros]

I'm curious to hear if people are generally holding him, or trying to get what they can out of him before it may be too late. Personally I think he'll do fine in Buffalo, but like any new situation you just never know. Cautiously optimistic is my view.

 

[cstu]

I think 1.1 is about right. The guy with 1.1 would probably rather have Gurley and the guy with mccoy would rather have mccoy, which is the sign of a fair market value. I wouldn't trade him for 1.1 before the nfl draft, personally, because I want to see if nfl teams are scared of his knee and see where he lands. if he gets drafted somewhere decent I'd probably take the younger player. I like buffalo fine, but its still uncertainty and for two good uncertain players I'll take the younger one by default

Trading the 1.1 for McCoy is how the 1.1 guy keeps drafting 1.1.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think 1.1 is about right. The guy with 1.1 would probably rather have Gurley and the guy with mccoy would rather have mccoy, which is the sign of a fair market value. I wouldn't trade him for 1.1 before the nfl draft, personally, because I want to see if nfl teams are scared of his knee and see where he lands. if he gets drafted somewhere decent I'd probably take the younger player. I like buffalo fine, but its still uncertainty and for two good uncertain players I'll take the younger one by default

Trading the 1.1 for McCoy is how the 1.1 guy keeps drafting 1.1.

The guy who would have earned the 1.1 doesnt own the 1.1 in any of my leagues. THAT is a much bigger reason why teams (if they owned their own future 1st) keep picking (again, if they had their own future 1st) #1.

I can see trading pick 1 for Mccoy in some cases.

 

[Zyphros]

I think 1.1 is about right. The guy with 1.1 would probably rather have Gurley and the guy with mccoy would rather have mccoy, which is the sign of a fair market value. I wouldn't trade him for 1.1 before the nfl draft, personally, because I want to see if nfl teams are scared of his knee and see where he lands. if he gets drafted somewhere decent I'd probably take the younger player. I like buffalo fine, but its still uncertainty and for two good uncertain players I'll take the younger one by default

Trading the 1.1 for McCoy is how the 1.1 guy keeps drafting 1.1.

The guy who would have earned the 1.1 doesnt own the 1.1 in any of my leagues. THAT is a much bigger reason why teams (if they owned their own future 1st) keep picking (again, if they had their own future 1st) #1.

I can see trading pick 1 for Mccoy in some cases.

The 1.01 who declined my McCoy offer actually finished 6th (out of 10), not earning that 1.01. Just to clear that up.