shadyridr
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You really thinking about starting those 2 over Jackson & Allen? You are overthinking things my friend
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Let’s talk Gerhart vs Starks vs Todman (1 Viewer)
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pmccurry
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
In wait-and-see mode with Adrian Peterson, Toby Gerhart Thu Dec 12, 01:48 PM
Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave said the team is in wait-and-see mode on RBs Adrian Peterson (foot) and Toby Gerhart (hamstring) for Week 15 against the Philadelphia Eagles, and the team isn't optimistic that either back will be able to play. 'No, not at this stage. We're getting Matt Asiata ready to roll,' Musgrave said.
Wow, Matt ASIAta
Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave said the team is in wait-and-see mode on RBs Adrian Peterson (foot) and Toby Gerhart (hamstring) for Week 15 against the Philadelphia Eagles, and the team isn't optimistic that either back will be able to play. 'No, not at this stage. We're getting Matt Asiata ready to roll,' Musgrave said.
Wow, Matt ASIAta
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Lacy is expected to play this Sunday.
http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131212/PKR01/312120435/Notebook-Lacy-expected-play-Sunday-Dallas
http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131212/PKR01/312120435/Notebook-Lacy-expected-play-Sunday-Dallas
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Anyone know anything about Asiata? UDFA a couple years ago, high ypc (~4.6) at Utah, big guy like Gerhart but slower perhaps, special teamer who can play some fullback, I think that's all I would guess at.
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az_prof
Footballguy
Based on on the highlight film above, he looks like a JAG. I am not impressed. If he is the only HB playing for the Vikes, I would have no problem starting him because a starting RB is a starting RB, and if he isn't sharing carries, he could be good for double digit points. But longterm, I don't see a player with great upside.SaintsInDome2006 said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Anyone know if Gerhart practiced today?
Soulfly3
Footballguy
do it. todman looks almost certain to start
and best of all, kiko alonso looks like he might be out also
Just a few minutes ago I read that both Gerhart and ADP were participating in the portion of practice that was open to the media. Have no idea what those drills involved and might not have been much of anything.
ETA-here is some additional info for you:
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/56735627.html
Injured running backs Adrian Peterson (foot) and Toby Gerhart (hamstring) were participating in the brief portion of Friday's practice that's open to the media. It's a light, non-padded workout, so they weren't doing much while reporters were in the building.
Peterson spent a large portion of the time talking with head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman and testing his sprained right foot on the sideline. He and Gerhart also went through warmups and ran pass patterns, which players run at less than full speed before team drills begin.
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buck naked
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So it sounds like you have to wait for team drills.... but media may likely not see that.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Im sitting here with both of them and debating one of them vs. Tate or morris. Need a big day from one of the 4, not sure which one to choose.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
McGahee ruled out - Oby looking like a strong PPR play as long as he doesn't fumble.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I assume many of you have both Todman and Rainey in the same league, as do I.
I forget if it was Cecil or Bloom (Cecil, I think), who said that Rainey was a better start over Todman this week because Todman "hasn't done it yet." I disagree completely. Rainey hadn't done it yet either, until he did it. I'd rather have the RB facing Buffalo than the RB facing SF, and I don't see how it's all that close.
I forget if it was Cecil or Bloom (Cecil, I think), who said that Rainey was a better start over Todman this week because Todman "hasn't done it yet." I disagree completely. Rainey hadn't done it yet either, until he did it. I'd rather have the RB facing Buffalo than the RB facing SF, and I don't see how it's all that close.
biju
Footballguy
As a ADP/Gerhart owner I picked up Todman this week from waivers and I'm planning on rolling with him. At this point the only way I start Gerhart is if he's listed as probable and Peterson is inactive. I'm too nervous he'll get nicked up during the game and it will turn into either a timeshare or he'll just sit.
I don't believe Gerhart is going to sit this out. He's on the clock for being one of the better RBs available via FA and I've got to think he isn't going to sit in one of the three games he has left to make millions of dollars. It means he'll push it even if he isn't healthy and that scares the #### out of me in the playoffs.
I don't believe Gerhart is going to sit this out. He's on the clock for being one of the better RBs available via FA and I've got to think he isn't going to sit in one of the three games he has left to make millions of dollars. It means he'll push it even if he isn't healthy and that scares the #### out of me in the playoffs.
I'm comfortably starting Todman in a flex spot that was previously occupied by Andre Holmes. Starks was arguably the better play, but too many variables around guys like Gerhart or Starks. Looks to me like Ogby or Todman are the safest plays this week if you're desperate like me.
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
For me it's Todman vs Spiller (I know, nobody cares). But, I think the 'hasn't done it' mantra does have some credence. Just because someone is in line to start doesn't mean they will necessarily put up big numbers. Maybe they'll use Denard Robinson more. I know it's Buffalo, but he has 138 rushing yards this year and a 3.2 average. Tough to roll with unless you're really in a tough spot.
Bills defense is horrid and even more so with Kiko out. Robinson has looked equally as inept this season as well. If you look at their injury report realistically with 2 out of the 3 jags main receivers banged up, not only is Todman starting, he might be there best healthy offensive weapon at this point. It's a gamble and I'd only suggest gambling if you need to, but you can absolutely do worse. He's absolutely flex worthy.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The Bills D is not quite the swiss cheese some in here are making it out to be. They allow 4.2 ypa, which is tied for 17th in the league. The 4th place team allows 3.8, the 28th allows 4.6, so they are firmly middle of the pack.
They have only allowed 8 rushing TDs, which is 9th best.
There is no doubt they have been bad the last two games. There are no injuries or player changes to account for this, so one might assume they were game planning to stop Ryan and make the Atl run game beat them (it did mainly with two very long TD runs) and game planning to stop Glennon and make the TB run game beat them (it did with an 80 yarder).
One might suppose that against a crappy Jax passing attack, missing it's two best WRs possibly, that they will load up to stop the run. If anything I would look to start ACE against a bad Bills secondary.
The Bills give up 124.8 ypg and Jax rushes for only 76.6 ypg, granted they are a little better their last three, with two putrid games if you make it the last five (2.0 ypa against Ari, 1.8 ypa against Ten).
This is probably desperation talk anyway, but if you are starting Todman look for a 40-50 yard, 0 TD floor with 120 yard, 1TD upside if he can break a long one.
They have only allowed 8 rushing TDs, which is 9th best.
There is no doubt they have been bad the last two games. There are no injuries or player changes to account for this, so one might assume they were game planning to stop Ryan and make the Atl run game beat them (it did mainly with two very long TD runs) and game planning to stop Glennon and make the TB run game beat them (it did with an 80 yarder).
One might suppose that against a crappy Jax passing attack, missing it's two best WRs possibly, that they will load up to stop the run. If anything I would look to start ACE against a bad Bills secondary.
The Bills give up 124.8 ypg and Jax rushes for only 76.6 ypg, granted they are a little better their last three, with two putrid games if you make it the last five (2.0 ypa against Ari, 1.8 ypa against Ten).
This is probably desperation talk anyway, but if you are starting Todman look for a 40-50 yard, 0 TD floor with 120 yard, 1TD upside if he can break a long one.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
My only healthy RB's are Woodhead, Matthews, ADP, Gerhart and Turbin. Talk about limping into the playoffs. I started Matthews and left Woodhead on the bench hoping one of these two can go. If not, I have to start Turbin. How sad would that be?
I play PPR. You don't think Todman will be involved in the passing game at all? Being on a crappy team playing from behind I feel like he'll be good for 3-4 check downs. I'm looking at 60 rushing yards with 3 catches for 20 yards. Is that a crazy projection?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think the advantage in the Buffalo matchup is that they've been giving up rushing TDs lately, haven't they?
ETA: Buffalo has given up a RB rushing score in 4 straight games, 5 TDs in all.
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Chickenwang
Footballguy
I believe Todman has more talent than MJD and has been waiting for this chance. I think he rips apart the Bills D and runs for a smooth "Mike James" 150
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Peterson and Gerhart both questionable. It would not surprise me one bit if ADP played. - I guess everyone will wait for the inactive lists and then decide, or do you just hedge your bet thinking both/either could come out at any instant and instead go with any one of choices C-D-E?
LittleLarry
Footballguy
what if a guy had both Ogbonnaya and Todman?
Who do you think would be the better start?
Who do you think would be the better start?
Ogby has Whittaker behind him, which isn't a world beater but is obviously a little more versatile. Ogby had his chance to handle the load recently and didn't do much with it. I think that backfield will be based on the "flow of the game", where Todman will most likely be an every down back this week. I don't think he's going to save your season, but he can definitely be a decent fill-in.
I don't know much about Todman, but every post I see is blasting him for his 3.2 yards or so per carry when in all fairness I believe the most carries he's had in a single game were like 4. To me, a stat based on such few touches means nothing. The kid can catch, and he can also run with 4.4 speed. He's not a plodder and can be decent in space. I rather have his upside then a plodding Ogby.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making him out to be a top 10 back this week, I just think people can do worse. He's of course neutered by a terrible Jacksonville offense along with other cons. But if you're looking for 10 points in PPR, you're most likely to get that.
I don't know much about Todman, but every post I see is blasting him for his 3.2 yards or so per carry when in all fairness I believe the most carries he's had in a single game were like 4. To me, a stat based on such few touches means nothing. The kid can catch, and he can also run with 4.4 speed. He's not a plodder and can be decent in space. I rather have his upside then a plodding Ogby.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making him out to be a top 10 back this week, I just think people can do worse. He's of course neutered by a terrible Jacksonville offense along with other cons. But if you're looking for 10 points in PPR, you're most likely to get that.
need2know
Footballguy
Debating these two right now. Tb is the better team but sf def is tough. Buffalo has really struggled with the run and will prob be without lb Alonzo. ..I may play todman over p.thomas, sproles, rainey, and Donald brown. Is that crazy? I know the Saints backs have good matchups but tough to predict... no way I am trusting the Colts crappy offense.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
Wow...Dodds has Todman at #5 this week??
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I am playing Todman over CJ2K and Steven Jackson. I think he can do better than 62 yards and 2/10.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Todman over S-Jax is a bit optimistic. He's got a dream matchup at home against a bunch of quitting dogs.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Todman over sproles Crabtree Hilton. So nothing crazy there
need2know
Footballguy
emeraldhal
Footballguy
Todman over sproles and Fred Jackson!
My league is .5 ppr
Do I dare roll todman?
My league is .5 ppr
Do I dare roll todman?
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
I'm trying to talk myself into playing Todman over Andre Brown and BJGE. Probably going with Green-Ellis at this point, because I think he has a higher floor. I just wish Todman's game was at 4:15 so I could get a early look at the early scoring before I made the decision.
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LittleLarry
Footballguy
Incredible. Dodds must be buying crack with all his Fanduel winnings.
Has anyone actually watched the Jags offense this year? They are beyond pathetic. Are we really going to risk our fantasy playoff lives on a 6th round pick out of UCONN? Seriously...
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Rodeojones
Footballguy
I'm also considering Todman over Brown for my RB2. I always kick myself for over thinking things and going away from the players that got me here.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Well Todman DID score a TD against Seattle IN Seattle 
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
Dont sleep on Whittaker,
Asiata? LOL Really? I have one dude in a league I am in telling another owner to pick him up since he has to bench MJD if he dont play.
I love when owners care so much they have to collude.
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bleachercreacher
Footballguy
Yeah, I always over think things too. I think Brown gains value in PPR. He's been getting 3 catches a week, and could easily have 5 or 6 with Eli throwing to that secondary. However, my league is 1PPR after 5 catches, so I think he's riskier. With Hillis taking the goal line carries, I'm not sure I see Brown scoring from outside of 6 or 7 yards against that defense. Todman on the other hand has a great matchup and should get all of the carries. Todman scares me because I've never actually seen him play. I lost Gronkowski last week, and Julius Thomas had a dud Thursday so I can't afford a stinker.
