Lets discuss Chris Smiths rankings (1 Viewer)

[NorrisB]

I think he's overrvaluing rookies, if you look at his QBs I think he's got Russell way too high, I mean in dynasty you have to evaluate players over a 4 year period and no way does Russell put up top 5 numbers.

The RBs I like, I like how low he has Westbrook and LJ I think thats pretty accurate, I also like where he has Shaun Alexander I think that accurate shows where his perceived value is right now. I dont understand why he moved Kevin Jones from 12 to 41 behind Chris Perry Other then that looks alright.

The WRs are what really baffles me, Calvin Johnson at 4 is just laughable and I wish you were in my league if he truly believes that, other head scratchers are:

Cotchery

DJ Hackett? I guess That looks about right

Hagan

Ginn

Overvaluing of rookies across the board

 

[LHUCKS]

FBG released rankings?

 

[NorrisB]

FBG released rankings?

Im sorry I forgot to put the crown next to the topic.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

he may still be moving guys around and might just have put the rookies in before slotting them.

if things look way off, I'd wait before jumping to any conclusions.

he'll probably stop in to comment if he's around though.

 

[NorrisB]

he may still be moving guys around and might just have put the rookies in before slotting them.if things look way off, I'd wait before jumping to any conclusions.he'll probably stop in to comment if he's around though.

Yeah thats what I was thinking as well as Chris' rankings seems to mirror what Im thinking and usually goes against the general consensus.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The WRs are what really baffles me, Calvin Johnson at 4 is just laughable and I wish you were in my league if he truly believes that, other head scratchers are:CotcheryDJ Hackett? I guess That looks about rightHaganGinnOvervaluing of rookies across the board

If you think Calvin Johnson at #4 is laughable, it's time to expand your narrow mindset. Do you recognize vision? Calvin Johnson is the best WR to come into the league since Randy Moss...and he has a couple positives that Moss does not. I'll probably have Johnson @ 4-5 in my initial post-draft dynasty rankings, but I've seriously debated putting him #1 in a year where there's no clear cut #1 dynasty WR.Hackett, again, forward thinking. I wouldn't quite have him that high, but he's clearly the Seahawks' WR to own in dynasty leagues. He's a much smarter investment than Deion Branch. If you don't believe that Hackett will give Branch a run for his money(at the very least), you either haven't seen Hackett play, or you've not paid enough attention to Branch's weekly fantasy stats. On the other hand, the Cotchery ranking is out of control. Overall, I think you're making a Matterhorn out of mole hill. Keep pooh-poohing Calvin Johnson. Smith & I will laugh all the way to the title.

 

[AB in DC]

I dont understand why he moved Kevin Jones from 12 to 41

Kevin Jones 2007 = Domanick Davis 2006

 

[NorrisB]

I dont understand why he moved Kevin Jones from 12 to 41

Kevin Jones 2007 = Domanick Davis 2006

 

[beaglemac]

link?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.

I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

 

[Chunky Soup]

link?

 

[Giggity]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

But that also means you would have had Charles Rogers in your top 5 dynasty WRs when he came out.And lets spare the CJ >>>>>> CR discussion. Rogers dominated college football, had all the physical tools, and was hyped as the next great WR by many scouts.Which is the problem with ranking people based on college, before they take an NFL snap.

 

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Dynasty Rankings

Note that Chris' picks don't show in the overall (possibly b/c he hasn't completed all positions yet)...but selecting QB, RB, WR, and TE will show his rankings from yesterday...

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

But that also means you would have had Charles Rogers in your top 5 dynasty WRs when he came out.And lets spare the CJ >>>>>> CR discussion. Rogers dominated college football, had all the physical tools, and was hyped as the next great WR by many scouts.Which is the problem with ranking people based on college, before they take an NFL snap.

at the time yes, but that was before i took character concerns into account. I've learned the hard way that character is HUGE when evaluating players for dynasty.I knew the rumors of Rogers when he was drafted, but ignored them. You live you learn, and everything i've looked at regarding CJ is that he doesn't have those concerns. Good family, good grades, etc.Even so, Rogers still wasn't the physical marvel that CJ is, and he had those character problems.CJ is as can't miss as Fitz was with a higher upside. Barring injury i'd bet that CJ is ranked in the top 3 dynasty recievers by every FBG staff that does rankings in the next couple years.

 

[Q-Bert]

In general I really like Chris' dynasty rankings because they tend to be the furthest from the conventional wisdom. I have no idea if over time they are better or worse than anyone elses, but whenever I look at his rankings I tend to spend time thinking about players in ways that are different than I usually do. LJ at #8 is a great example. It forces me to defend my initial ranking of him and either feel more confident in it or change my mind.

I would however really like to see him add an overall ranking like the other dynasty guys do. Again, because of how different his positional rankings are I would be really interested in seeing how he rates the positions against each other.

 

[Giggity]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

But that also means you would have had Charles Rogers in your top 5 dynasty WRs when he came out.And lets spare the CJ >>>>>> CR discussion. Rogers dominated college football, had all the physical tools, and was hyped as the next great WR by many scouts.Which is the problem with ranking people based on college, before they take an NFL snap.

at the time yes, but that was before i took character concerns into account. I've learned the hard way that character is HUGE when evaluating players for dynasty.I knew the rumors of Rogers when he was drafted, but ignored them. You live you learn, and everything i've looked at regarding CJ is that he doesn't have those concerns. Good family, good grades, etc.Even so, Rogers still wasn't the physical marvel that CJ is, and he had those character problems.CJ is as can't miss as Fitz was with a higher upside. Barring injury i'd bet that CJ is ranked in the top 3 dynasty recievers by every FBG staff that does rankings in the next couple years.

Rogers never had huge character flags. There was some talk, masking agent, big ego. CJ also said he smoked pot. While I'd agree CJ has more character, he was also less dominating on the college level.Rogers would have been a top 5-7 pick by every NFL team, if they needed a WR or not. The guy was an elite propect, and very can't miss. Randy Moss had huge character issues. Then he put up Rice numbers for 7 years. Trust me the next freak of nature WR, we'll brush any character flaws right out the door, and go grab the elite prospect.That all being said, I love CJ. More then most. But it still makes me uneasy to put Calvin over Steve Smith, Chad Johnson. You'd really draft Calvin 12-16 overall in a new league? You have proven 80-90 catch, 1,200 yard, 8-10 td guys. Unless they get hurt, they will get that. Calvin might catch 40 balls a year for the next 5 years, and the world wouldn't end. People would talk about "never lived up to the #2 spot". Blah blah blah. It happens. 50% of the WRs will bust. And you can find lots of people who thought Rogers was can't miss. So there is no can't miss. It doesn't exist. It never will. There's unlikely to bust, but that's about it.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

But that also means you would have had Charles Rogers in your top 5 dynasty WRs when he came out.And lets spare the CJ >>>>>> CR discussion. Rogers dominated college football, had all the physical tools, and was hyped as the next great WR by many scouts.Which is the problem with ranking people based on college, before they take an NFL snap.

at the time yes, but that was before i took character concerns into account. I've learned the hard way that character is HUGE when evaluating players for dynasty.I knew the rumors of Rogers when he was drafted, but ignored them. You live you learn, and everything i've looked at regarding CJ is that he doesn't have those concerns. Good family, good grades, etc.Even so, Rogers still wasn't the physical marvel that CJ is, and he had those character problems.CJ is as can't miss as Fitz was with a higher upside. Barring injury i'd bet that CJ is ranked in the top 3 dynasty recievers by every FBG staff that does rankings in the next couple years.

Rogers never had huge character flags. There was some talk, masking agent, big ego. CJ also said he smoked pot. While I'd agree CJ has more character, he was also less dominating on the college level.Rogers would have been a top 5-7 pick by every NFL team, if they needed a WR or not. The guy was an elite propect, and very can't miss. Randy Moss had huge character issues. Then he put up Rice numbers for 7 years. Trust me the next freak of nature WR, we'll brush any character flaws right out the door, and go grab the elite prospect.That all being said, I love CJ. More then most. But it still makes me uneasy to put Calvin over Steve Smith, Chad Johnson. You'd really draft Calvin 12-16 overall in a new league? You have proven 80-90 catch, 1,200 yard, 8-10 td guys. Unless they get hurt, they will get that. Calvin might catch 40 balls a year for the next 5 years, and the world wouldn't end. People would talk about "never lived up to the #2 spot". Blah blah blah. It happens. 50% of the WRs will bust. And you can find lots of people who thought Rogers was can't miss. So there is no can't miss. It doesn't exist. It never will. There's unlikely to bust, but that's about it.

Also an argument could be made that injuries is what derailed Rogers. If he never got injured who knows what he would have become. He didn't have the character to stay focused and work hard during his rehab, but in the end it's hard to say what a non-injured Rogers would have done in the league.So i guess if CJ has 2 season ending injuries to start his career he could bust as well.

 

[BigJim®]

Dynasty Rankings

Note that Chris' picks don't show in the overall (possibly b/c he hasn't completed all positions yet)...but selecting QB, RB, WR, and TE will show his rankings from yesterday...

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[Mister CIA]

Looks like Chris is really down on Jason Campbell - ranked #34 behind Troy Smith, and Brady Quinn AND Charlie Frye.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Vincent Jackson being behind Samie Parker at 59 and 60 seems more than just a tad off. Decent job though.

 

[NorrisB]

I usually think C.Smith's rankings are the best. He seems to have a good grasp on future value which is important in dynasty rankings.I actually have Calvin as my #2 ranked WR behind Fitz (and i see them as pretty even), so him having Calvin at #4 isn't at all shocking to me.

But that also means you would have had Charles Rogers in your top 5 dynasty WRs when he came out.And lets spare the CJ >>>>>> CR discussion. Rogers dominated college football, had all the physical tools, and was hyped as the next great WR by many scouts.Which is the problem with ranking people based on college, before they take an NFL snap.

 

[NorrisB]

Jeff and Sig, Chris is making you look bad, you still havent updated your rankings

 

[KKrew]

Expert Redraft Rankings

His redraft rankings are better.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Vincent Jackson being behind Samie Parker at 59 and 60 seems more than just a tad off. Decent job though.

Inexcusable...to say the least.

 

[pk4239]

Brandon Marshsall isn't even on the board.

Interesting.

 

[Chris Smith]

Hi guys.. First of all thanks for the kind words in the thread. I appreciate it. Second of all, these are still a work in progress as I wasn't aware the rankings were live yet. For the most part it is correct but I'm still in the process of moving players around (Vincent Jackson will be one - he's much higher even on my redraft rankings)...

I'll have the overall rankings done soon as well. Been busy putting together a Blogger crew this year and getting some other things done so it's taking some time.

One thing about my dynasty rankings. I do tend to be a little more aggressive in my rankings. When it comes to dynasty, I believe conservative rankings often equal vanilla rosters which ultimately become good but not great teams...

I look at each player and attempt to break down their talent and upside more so than their situations as those change too often over the course of years.

You are right that you'll hit on some and miss on others (like a Charles Rogers), but that's true with all rankings whether redraft or not...

if we are in a dynasty league together, I would take Cal Johnson as the 4th receiver off the board. Laugh if you wish, mock if you will but if he is as good as he appears to be (talent, athletic phenom, hard working and with a good attitude to boot, he'll be leading my squad to the title).

Check back on my rankings in by Wednesday evening and then I'll talk about different rankings and my thought processes behind them.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Hi guys.. First of all thanks for the kind words in the thread. I appreciate it. Second of all, these are still a work in progress as I wasn't aware the rankings were live yet. For the most part it is correct but I'm still in the process of moving players around (Vincent Jackson will be one - he's much higher even on my redraft rankings)...I'll have the overall rankings done soon as well. Been busy putting together a Blogger crew this year and getting some other things done so it's taking some time.One thing about my dynasty rankings. I do tend to be a little more aggressive in my rankings. When it comes to dynasty, I believe conservative rankings often equal vanilla rosters which ultimately become good but not great teams...I look at each player and attempt to break down their talent and upside more so than their situations as those change too often over the course of years.You are right that you'll hit on some and miss on others (like a Charles Rogers), but that's true with all rankings whether redraft or not...if we are in a dynasty league together, I would take Cal Johnson as the 4th receiver off the board. Laugh if you wish, mock if you will but if he is as good as he appears to be (talent, athletic phenom, hard working and with a good attitude to boot, he'll be leading my squad to the title).Check back on my rankings in by Wednesday evening and then I'll talk about different rankings and my thought processes behind them.

I thought your aggressive rankings were very good. It was the non-rankings that I thought were odd.But this was a great response to most of the concerns in this thread.

 

[Q-Bert]

Looking forward to the full update.

 

[IanTucker]

This happens every time. People criticize anyone who's rankings fall out of the consensus opinion.

Yet the consensus rankings are wrong every year. Follow the consensus and you will have a mediocre team.

It seems the only way to win in fantasy is to take chances...as Chris says...aggressively. Success is determined by how many players you pick that outperform the consensus.

I find his rankings interesting...and I applaud his philosophy.