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I just scooped him up off waivers in a 25-man PPR dynasty league. With Julio out he'll be on the field more and will gain much needed experience going into next year when the NFL's greatest ever TE retires. I'm hoping that he steps into Gonzo's role and becomes the next Jimmy Graham. Certainly with Ryan at QB and a pass first offensive philosophy in ATL there's an opportunity for him to develop. So, with that said, I'm interested in opinions of Toilolo's skill set and ceiling. I haven't watched him much but at 6'8" he is an imposing target. Opinions?

 
I've stashed him in every dynasty league I'm in. He is a beast of a target, and could be a top 5 TE within 2 years imo.

 
If ATL does intend to run more two TE sets, I'm curious to see if he starts see see some work in between the 20s. We all know he's a legitimate RZ threat but with ATL low on personnel, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some more work.

 
I was actually gonna make a thread on him a few days ago but never got around to it. I'm vouching for him, I'd love to stash him away in my Dynasty. He's already a redzone threat this year and Mike Smith really likes him.

...and assuming the future HOF Tony Gonzalez retires, there will be room for him in this Offense.

 
Saw him play a lot at Stanford. Never saw anything that made me think he would be a great NFL receiving TE.

He is really tall. To the extent that when he was recruited out of high school, a lot of people suspected that he would end up as an OT. He wanted to stay at TE though and his frame never really filled out like people thought it might, so he wound up as a TE permanently.

Stanford had a lot of good TEs while he was there. In fact, Konrad Reuland, Zach Ertz, and Coby Fleener are all in the NFL now. Toilolo actually won the starting job in training camp in 2010. No small feat. Then, in the first game of the season, he caught a pass in the flat, started running upfield, took a vicious shot to his knee, and tore his ACL. Out for the year. Fleener and Ertz went on to become big players and Toilolo served as more of a complement. He got a lot of snaps, but didn't produce like the other two and (IMO) clearly wasn't as dynamic as a pure receiving threat.

The main positive with him is obvious. He's extremely tall (6'8"). For a guy that height, he moves relatively well. Compared to Ertz and especially Fleener, he is really not that dynamic though. Just okay speed. Not very agile. He can run a basic route and catch the ball okay, but he's not explosive before or after the catch. He is actually quite similar to former UCLA and current Lions TE Joseph Fauria. Both very tall and rangy with good hands. Both relatively immobile by NFL standards. Leonard Pope is another guy cut from the same cloth, albeit much more of workout warrior on paper.

Honestly, I would not get my hopes up too much if you're looking for the next great NFL receiving TE. It would be a big surprise to me if he became a top FF option. I guess you never really know for sure, but I felt okay ignoring him in my rookie drafts and I still have no interest in rostering him. :shrug:

 
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I'm the only staffer who had him ranked in his rookie rankings, and am one of just two staffers to have him ranked in his dynasty TE ranks. Honestly, I'm not in love with him, but his size, offense, and draft position are all well worth taking a flyer, stashing him for a year, and seeing what he does. I'd say I'm more on his train by default- not because I really love his prospects (such as with Jordan Reed), but because everyone else hates on his prospects more than is warranted, imo.

 
Nothing to see here with him.
Should I listen to you or Gonzo, hmm...

Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez has had plenty of understudies throughout his tenured career, and when it comes to young tight ends, sometimes they listen to what he has to say, sometimes they don’t.

Either way, Gonzalez makes himself available to mentor any of those who are interested and rookie tight end Levine Toilolo has certainly taken Gonzalez up on the offer. Not only that, but it’s resulted in Gonzalez having some extremely high praise for the 6-foot-8 rookie out of Stanford — despite Gonzalez being a Cal guy himself (differences, Gonzalez says, they’ve put aside).

On Thursday, Gonzalez went into detail about all the things that he’s been impressed with when it comes to Toilolo’s progression.

“The difference between a good player and an average player in the NFL is the player that can learn from his mistakes, that doesn’t repeat the same mistake twice, and that’s what Levine is,” Gonzalez said. “He’s done a really nice job of making those mistakes — which we all do, especially rookies — and then not doing it again. That’s how you keep improving. The sky’s the limit with him.”

Gonzalez and Toilolo frequently work together during practice off to the side. If the two are out for a break while other players get some reps, they’re playing Gonzalez’s brand of catch, where the two throw difficult passes to each other to get used to making those catches that are sometimes off the mark.

When they’re not doing that, Toilolo is picking Gonzalez’s brain about anything and everything the future Hall-of-Famer has experienced in his career. It’s these types of actions by Toilolo that leads Gonzalez to believe that, for one, Toilolo can continue to be a viable option for the Falcons offensively this year, and that in years to come, he can be a special player when Gonzalez is gone.

“Everything that I have, I want to teach him,” Gonzalez said. “He’s receptive, too. I’ve done it before where I’ve played with younger players and they don’t listen. You can tell them all you want and they might listen for a week or two, but he’s shown to me that, from the very first time I tell him something, he’ll keep working on it and keep working it. That’s what’s going to make him a good player.

“He’s going to surprise some people with how good he can be if he keeps working on his game and staying after it day in and day out.”
 
I'm the only staffer who had him ranked in his rookie rankings, and am one of just two staffers to have him ranked in his dynasty TE ranks. Honestly, I'm not in love with him, but his size, offense, and draft position are all well worth taking a flyer, stashing him for a year, and seeing what he does. I'd say I'm more on his train by default- not because I really love his prospects (such as with Jordan Reed), but because everyone else hates on his prospects more than is warranted, imo.
Wait, you're on staff? Bloom, give me a courtesy call this instant.

 
I can't help but compare him to Graham because they have similar builds. What was the opinion on JG when he came out? I seriously don't remember any hype on him. Clearly tall basketball player types (Graham, Cameron, JThomas, etc.) have taken the TE position by storm. Were any of these guys considered athletic can't miss prospects?

 
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Adam Harstad said:
I'm the only staffer who had him ranked in his rookie rankings, and am one of just two staffers to have him ranked in his dynasty TE ranks. Honestly, I'm not in love with him, but his size, offense, and draft position are all well worth taking a flyer, stashing him for a year, and seeing what he does. I'd say I'm more on his train by default- not because I really love his prospects (such as with Jordan Reed), but because everyone else hates on his prospects more than is warranted, imo.
Wait, you're on staff? Bloom, give me a courtesy call this instant.
Hence the name change and the "Staff" beneath the crying elephant. ;)

 
I can't help but compare him to Graham because they have similar builds. What was the opinion on JG when he came out? I seriously don't remember any hype on him. Clearly tall basketball player types (Graham, Cameron, JThomas, etc.) have taken the TE position by storm. Were any of these guys considered athletic can't miss prospects?
He's not at all like Graham beyond dimensions. Toilolo is somewhat stiff and not a dynamic athlete. He could be an emergency TE play if the Falcons run a lot more 2TE, but I don't think he has the ability to be more than a poor man's Marcedes Lewis (albeit with a better offense/QB than Lewis ever had)

 
I've got him a deep dynasty, but don't have high hopes for him. Worth a lottery ticket in case he becomes a starter when Gonzo retires, and not much opportunity cost with a 53 man roster.

But I could also see Atlanta bringing in somebody from outside (by draft or FA).

 
Any value in redraft with Julio and White out?

Douglas sucks and the running game is meh. Could be PLENTY of 2TE sets with Gonzo seeing double coverage, somebody has to catch the ball.

 
Kellen Davis II. And probably being kind to him with that as he doesn't move as well as Davis.

Goalline guy due to size. I think that's his upside.

 
Kellen Davis II. And probably being kind to him with that as he doesn't move as well as Davis.

Goalline guy due to size. I think that's his upside.
He could turn out to be Davis but he's very similar to Dwayne Allen, someone I originally wrote off because of his lack of speed.

I don't think he's lacking physically as much as people seem to think. Due to him walking into a very good situation next year there's a chance he end up the second best TE in last year's draft, after Eifert.

 
Kellen Davis II. And probably being kind to him with that as he doesn't move as well as Davis.

Goalline guy due to size. I think that's his upside.
He could turn out to be Davis but he's very similar to Dwayne Allen, someone I originally wrote off because of his lack of speed.
Nothing alike. Allen is a somewhat short move/H-back type of TE. Toilolo is a tree.

Not much flexibility. Not much explosiveness. He could be a good blocker and functional safety valve. Would not expect anything more.

 
Kellen Davis II. And probably being kind to him with that as he doesn't move as well as Davis.

Goalline guy due to size. I think that's his upside.
He could turn out to be Davis but he's very similar to Dwayne Allen, someone I originally wrote off because of his lack of speed.

I don't think he's lacking physically as much as people seem to think. Due to him walking into a very good situation next year there's a chance he end up the second best TE in last year's draft, after Eifert.
Call me stunned if he ends up the 2nd best TE in the class. If he's 2nd best TE on his own team 5 years from now I'd call it a success. I don't even think he was drafted to be the heir apparent to Gonzalez more so than to be a #2 blocking TE for a run game.

Frankly I think he's closer to a 6th Olineman that can be a goalline receiving option than anything else. Maybe he'll run into some value in standard leagues for those that play those in the future. I have a hard time believing he'll wind up better long term than J.Reed, Ertz. Or even the likes of V.McDonald, Kelce, among others.

Toilolo is raw as can be in the receiving game and isn't fluid. I have no doubts he can be a redzone option (he already is). Beyond that, I really have my doubts. Very much a project receiving beyond goalline stuff. I don't think Allen is a good comparison at all personally. :shrug:

 
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Kellen Davis II. And probably being kind to him with that as he doesn't move as well as Davis.

Goalline guy due to size. I think that's his upside.
He could turn out to be Davis but he's very similar to Dwayne Allen, someone I originally wrote off because of his lack of speed.

I don't think he's lacking physically as much as people seem to think. Due to him walking into a very good situation next year there's a chance he end up the second best TE in last year's draft, after Eifert.
Call me stunned if he ends up the 2nd best TE in the class. If he's 2nd best TE on his own team 5 years from now I'd call it a success. I don't even think he was drafted to be the heir apparent to Gonzalez more so than to be a #2 blocking TE for a run game. Frankly I think he's closer to a 6th Olineman that can be a goalline receiving option than anything else. Maybe he'll run into some value in standard leagues for those that play those in the future. I have a hard time believing he'll wind up better long term than J.Reed, Ertz. Or even the likes of V.McDonald, Kelce, among others.

Toilolo is raw as can be in the receiving game and isn't fluid. I have no doubts he can be a redzone option (he already is). Beyond that, I really have my doubts. Very much a project receiving beyond goalline stuff. I don't think Allen is a good comparison at all personally. :shrug:
There's not a lot of video on him but he looks fluid enough to me. His measurements from the combine are on par with the other top TE's in the class (Ertz and Kelce) and his 3 cone, which tests agility, of 7.09 was very good for a guy of his size. He even compares well to Kyle Rudolph.

With Gonzo gone and Roddy White turning 33 next year there's a lot of opportunity.

 
Has any of you guys describing him as a 'tree' or a pure blocker actually watched him play? How many of you are issuing verdicts because you saw the guy is 6'8''?

I dug up this thread looking for input on Gonzo replacement. Not knowing anything about the guy, I read a few contradictory opinions and went to watch all of his whooping 8 catches plus a defensive pass interference he drew.

Here is what I have to say after watching the film:

- Does not look 6'8'' on the field - smaller, less dominating frame than you would expect, but also more fluid than a 6'8'' guy

- Not a very good blocker - he does not make you feel he can develop into an above average blocker, wasn't used as one either

- Definitely not quick but did not strike me as slow or 'a tree' at all - don't understand where this verdict comes from

- Good hands - caught pretty much everything thrown his way and when he didn't catch, he got defensive pass interference

- Doesn't use his body well - gets away with it because is such a mismatch in most cases

- Matt Ryan seemed to have no hesitation throwing to him - a couple throws were even quite bone-headed, i.e., the stuff you throw to Gronk and hope he catches - not sure how much to read into that, but generally a positive sign

- Another positive sign - Gonzo seems fond of him - first to congratulate him on TDs, stands next to him on the sideline, talks, points energetically at stuff on the screens

Overall, I am left with a positive impression. Don't see Toilolo ever becoming a top-5 guy, but think there is more than enough potential. Given the opportunity, I'd say TE2 status next season is definitely not crazy.

 
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Bump.

Now that the draft has come and gone, what are your thoughts on him going forward? Is he the TE to own in ATL?

 
was a blurb a month or so that they are writing Gonzo's role out of the ATL offense.

So, yeah he's the guy to own in ATL. But he's likely not going to be worth much

 
msommer said:
was a blurb a month or so that they are writing Gonzo's role out of the ATL offense.

So, yeah he's the guy to own in ATL. But he's likely not going to be worth much
At 6'8" and 260 lbs, he's a massive target who should get some love in the end zone (for context- that's an inch taller and a pound heavier than Joseph Fauria, who put up a slick 18/207/7 line in Detroit last year). I don't think he's going to be a yardage monster, though.

 

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