Lets discuss the NYJ RB situation. (1 Viewer)

[TDavi118]

While I feel TJ will fare well this season, and turning 31 recently, my question to you guys is (1) does L Washington have what it takes to be a full time back if Jones goes down? Or will Shonne Green take the bulk of the carries? In a dynasty league, I believe it's best to own Greene since it appears to me that Washington has a role on ST and a breather RB. If I'm incorrect, correct me, but I think Greene is the guy to own in a dynasty/keeper. I don't think LW will be the lead back if TJ went down.

Westbrook turned 30 a minute ago or in a few minutes and it seems to me that everybody frowns on owning him. I cant figure this situation out. Can you guys help me understand the situation in New York? I'm still learning.: e La Hoya:

 

[Rovers]

When I calm down over the Woodhead cut, and return to mental stability, i'll chime in.... maybe tomorrow!

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.

I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

 

[crowe1130]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

Leon's the NYJ back to own this year. Dynasty-wise not so much, but I expect a huge year out of Washington.

 

[ericttspikes]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

Leon's the NYJ back to own this year. Dynasty-wise not so much, but I expect a huge year out of Washington.

I like Leon. I have Leon rostered on a couple of teams this year, but I have no idea how it will shake out. The Leon hype is high right now. I grabbed TJ after Leon was picked in a draft yesterday in the 7th round. Leon should get more carries at RB, and I've thought that for the past 3 years. My guess is that Rex is pretty smart and will see what he has in Leon, but TJ is no slouch. He averaged 4.5 a carry and had 15 TDs last year. That is MJD, Turner, Portis production right there. Those are damn near elite RB numbers and the guy is going in the 7th+ rounds. I'm not sure why any coach would see that kind of production and take the rock out of their hands, but we'll see. The biggest knock on Jones, other than his age, was that he was upset with his contract. Well, so is Leon. However the Jets RB situation shakes out this year will probably determine some championships. As far as recent FF drafts, it seems that TJ represents more value between the two.

 

[Arnold. S]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.

I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

Leon's the NYJ back to own this year. Dynasty-wise not so much, but I expect a huge year out of Washington.

I like Leon. I have Leon rostered on a couple of teams this year, but I have no idea how it will shake out. The Leon hype is high right now. I grabbed TJ after Leon was picked in a draft yesterday in the 7th round. Leon should get more carries at RB, and I've thought that for the past 3 years. My guess is that Rex is pretty smart and will see what he has in Leon, but TJ is no slouch. He averaged 4.5 a carry and had 15 TDs last year. That is MJD, Turner, Portis production right there. Those are damn near elite RB numbers and the guy is going in the 7th+ rounds. I'm not sure why any coach would see that kind of production and take the rock out of their hands, but we'll see. The biggest knock on Jones, other than his age, was that he was upset with his contract. Well, so is Leon. However the Jets RB situation shakes out this year will probably determine some championships. As far as recent FF drafts, it seems that TJ represents more value between the two.

I think Tjones MIGHT represents more value now or in the last couple of weeks after his value has risen. A month ago when I got him in my very first draft, he went much later than Tjones and he was the value back then

 

[gbill2004]

I see a huge season from Leon, and a dip in TJ's production from last season. Based on this season, I see Leon being a round 2-3 pick in next years fantasy leagues.

 

[Todem]

Leon is a tremendous scat back. I love the the guys skills. He is also the sexy pick.

Thomas Jones is the proven veteran who also has looked very good this pre-season. I saw no signs of wear and tear for this 30+ year old RB.

Jones leads this team in Rushing yards and rushing TD's again this season.

I don't think Green is a great prospect. But when used with Washington it could be a case of thunder and lighting (but will be more like thud and lighting IMO).

I think Washington's monster season is 2010. Because Greene will not provide what Thomas Jones will this season.

That's my 2 cents.

 

[ericttspikes]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.

I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

Leon's the NYJ back to own this year. Dynasty-wise not so much, but I expect a huge year out of Washington.

I like Leon. I have Leon rostered on a couple of teams this year, but I have no idea how it will shake out. The Leon hype is high right now. I grabbed TJ after Leon was picked in a draft yesterday in the 7th round. Leon should get more carries at RB, and I've thought that for the past 3 years. My guess is that Rex is pretty smart and will see what he has in Leon, but TJ is no slouch. He averaged 4.5 a carry and had 15 TDs last year. That is MJD, Turner, Portis production right there. Those are damn near elite RB numbers and the guy is going in the 7th+ rounds. I'm not sure why any coach would see that kind of production and take the rock out of their hands, but we'll see. The biggest knock on Jones, other than his age, was that he was upset with his contract. Well, so is Leon. However the Jets RB situation shakes out this year will probably determine some championships. As far as recent FF drafts, it seems that TJ represents more value between the two.

I think Tjones MIGHT represents more value now or in the last couple of weeks after his value has risen. A month ago when I got him in my very first draft, he went much later than Tjones and he was the value back then

Yeah, Leon was better value weeks ago. I'm just really curious to see how this shakes out. Yesterday TJ was drafted 2 rounds after Knowshon Moreno, who hasn't done anything in the NFL, is on a bad team loaded with RBs and has a bum knee. TJ was the 30th RB to go. To me, Jones is well worth taking at his current ADP and my strategy would be to wait until Leon is taken then take TJ to maximize his value.

 

[moleculo]

My take is that Leon will be the focal point of the Jet offense. Not to say that Thomas Jones won't be useful, but I think Leon is going to be the bellwether. I think Jones will be the Fred Taylor to Leon's MJD.

I don't think Leon would be effective as a workhorse back and Jones will help keep him fresh for the long balls until Shonn Greene is ready to take the job. Then Jones will go to another team and do thankless work while everyone doubts him.

Leon's the NYJ back to own this year. Dynasty-wise not so much, but I expect a huge year out of Washington.

I like Leon. I have Leon rostered on a couple of teams this year, but I have no idea how it will shake out. The Leon hype is high right now. I grabbed TJ after Leon was picked in a draft yesterday in the 7th round. Leon should get more carries at RB, and I've thought that for the past 3 years. My guess is that Rex is pretty smart and will see what he has in Leon, but TJ is no slouch. He averaged 4.5 a carry and had 15 TDs last year. That is MJD, Turner, Portis production right there. Those are damn near elite RB numbers and the guy is going in the 7th+ rounds. I'm not sure why any coach would see that kind of production and take the rock out of their hands, but we'll see. The biggest knock on Jones, other than his age, was that he was upset with his contract. Well, so is Leon. However the Jets RB situation shakes out this year will probably determine some championships. As far as recent FF drafts, it seems that TJ represents more value between the two.

I think Tjones MIGHT represents more value now or in the last couple of weeks after his value has risen. A month ago when I got him in my very first draft, he went much later than Tjones and he was the value back then

Yeah, Leon was better value weeks ago. I'm just really curious to see how this shakes out. Yesterday TJ was drafted 2 rounds after Knowshon Moreno, who hasn't done anything in the NFL, is on a bad team loaded with RBs and has a bum knee. TJ was the 30th RB to go. To me, Jones is well worth taking at his current ADP and my strategy would be to wait until Leon is taken then take TJ to maximize his value.

Just to be a stickler, Denver is not loaded w/ RB's - they have 4 on their roster - a highly touted rookie, a career IR guy, a has-been who never really was, and a FB. As far as being a bad team - how do we know the Jets will be any better? Both teams missed the playoffs, both have first time coaches, both have new QBs, Denver has better overall offensive talent, NYJ has better defensive talent.

I think Moreno is worth much more than TJones or LWashington.

 

[Kiddnets]

TJ is huge value right now - got him as my #3 RB and backed him up with S Greene as a late pick - as a huge Jet fan I try not to grab too many JEt players but TJ as a #3RB is too good. Leon will see an increased role but Rex will pound the ball and I dont think we will see that much of Greene this year except sprinkled in. TJ will be the battering ram and Leon the lightening - TJ will get the GL carries and close to 20 carries a game. He won't match last years numbers but he won't fall that much - Leon is small and they will not give him the ball so much that TJ will drop to a #3RB.

So IMO grab TJ while the stock is low - should be able to get him on the cheap - I have never had such a good #3RB!

 

[ericttspikes]

As far as being a bad team - how do we know the Jets will be any better? Both teams missed the playoffs, both have first time coaches, both have new QBs, Denver has better overall offensive talent, NYJ has better defensive talent.I think Moreno is worth much more than TJones or LWashington.

Fair points. Obviously Moreno is perceived to be more valuable as he consistently is off the board 5-10 RBs ahead of Jones or Washington. From my perspective I'd rather wait for others to draft unknowns like Moreno, or Donald Brown for that matter, and have proven guys like Leon or TJ be a RB #3. Just my preference. Mileage may vary.

 

[ericttspikes]

TJ is huge value right now - got him as my #3 RB and backed him up with S Greene as a late pick - as a huge Jet fan I try not to grab too many JEt players but TJ as a #3RB is too good. Leon will see an increased role but Rex will pound the ball and I dont think we will see that much of Greene this year except sprinkled in. TJ will be the battering ram and Leon the lightening - TJ will get the GL carries and close to 20 carries a game. He won't match last years numbers but he won't fall that much - Leon is small and they will not give him the ball so much that TJ will drop to a #3RB. So IMO grab TJ while the stock is low - should be able to get him on the cheap - I have never had such a good #3RB!

Good to hear! Thanks for the local color on the situation.

 

[sportsphysio]

TJ is huge value right now - got him as my #3 RB and backed him up with S Greene as a late pick - as a huge Jet fan I try not to grab too many JEt players but TJ as a #3RB is too good. Leon will see an increased role but Rex will pound the ball and I dont think we will see that much of Greene this year except sprinkled in. TJ will be the battering ram and Leon the lightening - TJ will get the GL carries and close to 20 carries a game. He won't match last years numbers but he won't fall that much - Leon is small and they will not give him the ball so much that TJ will drop to a #3RB. So IMO grab TJ while the stock is low - should be able to get him on the cheap - I have never had such a good #3RB!

Good to hear! Thanks for the local color on the situation.

Our league is a return yards league, so Leon will be a gold mine! When I added the projected rushing/receiving stats and the return yards, he shoots up the rankings to 2-3rd round levels; I'll be happy to take him in the 5th before someone else does.

 

[Rovers]

Leon is being over valued, and Jones is being ridiculously under valued. Jones will be a solid RB2, with a chance at being an RB1 again this year. As an RB 3, Jones> Leon. Sure, Washington will get more touches this year, but it will be Jones who is the workhorse one again, including the GL carries. The thing with Leon is that he can give you a quality start with just one touch with his big play ability. The trick is projecting which weeks he will break one, which makes him a bye week RB for me.

I doubt the Jets have as many rushing TD's as they did last year, but it's likely they'll have more touches to distribute this year. I don't see the Jets playing in many blowouts, if any, so Greene holds little value, as I expect he will play primarilly in garbage time. He is a good handcuff for Jones however.

That's my take. And I am still sorley pe'ed off about the Woodhead cut!

 

[War Eagle]

Leon is being over valued, and Jones is being ridiculously under valued. Jones will be a solid RB2, with a chance at being an RB1 again this year. As an RB 3, Jones> Leon. Sure, Washington will get more touches this year, but it will be Jones who is the workhorse one again, including the GL carries. The thing with Leon is that he can give you a quality start with just one touch with his big play ability. The trick is projecting which weeks he will break one, which makes him a bye week RB for me. I doubt the Jets have as many rushing TD's as they did last year, but it's likely they'll have more touches to distribute this year. I don't see the Jets playing in many blowouts, if any, so Greene holds little value, as I expect he will play primarilly in garbage time. He is a good handcuff for Jones however. That's my take. And I am still sorley pe'ed off about the Woodhead cut!

 

[BobbyLayne]

Leon is being over valued, and Jones is being ridiculously under valued. Jones will be a solid RB2, with a chance at being an RB1 again this year. As an RB 3, Jones> Leon. Sure, Washington will get more touches this year, but it will be Jones who is the workhorse one again, including the GL carries. The thing with Leon is that he can give you a quality start with just one touch with his big play ability. The trick is projecting which weeks he will break one, which makes him a bye week RB for me. I doubt the Jets have as many rushing TD's as they did last year, but it's likely they'll have more touches to distribute this year. I don't see the Jets playing in many blowouts, if any, so Greene holds little value, as I expect he will play primarilly in garbage time. He is a good handcuff for Jones however. That's my take. And I am still sorley pe'ed off about the Woodhead cut!

As a late 4th rounder (per mocks) TJ looks somewhat risky as an RB2 since there are youngsters around that slot with more upside (Kevin Smith if he falls, Ray Rice if think he is worth the reach, McFadden if you see something I don't). However, it seems like this year Jones is one of those guys whose ADP doesn't really match where he often goes in real drafts.If you take him as an RB2 in the 5th or RB3 in the 6th, I think you've gotten genuine value.Leon is a terrific playmaker, probably the most exciting Jets player, but anyone who redrafts him as an integral part of their lineup better have some serious league scoring rules as justification - PPR, KR yardage, etc. I expect him to end up around RB30 in non-PPR, non-KR leagues.Obvs in a dynasty he looks like a solid roster spot, as 2010 and beyond could see him getting real opportunity to be a FT feature back. Not happening this year, though.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I cant believe what Im reading in the first half of this thread. In whose draft is Leon being taken before TJ?! Thats ludicrous. Every draft Ive been in, TJ goes 4th-5th round, and Leon goes 10+. I got Leon in the 13th in my money league draft last week.

I love Leon this year and have him projected as RB30, and I see him still having upside there, but in most of my drafts there were 40 or a little more RBs off the board and before I got him. I think he'll get more touches this year, but in no scenario except return yard leagues is he even close to being as valuable as TJ

 

[Rovers]

In a keep two league I am in, where most of the best RB's were kept, Jones went at 8.03!!!!!!!

I had already kept/drafted ADP, Slaton (for an 8th round keeper) and K Jones in the third. I watched as T Jones continued to drop, and was amazed. Now this is a league where team D's are huge (minus points for PA, etc, and TE's get double yardage points) but still.... Jones at 8.03 was easilly the SOD there.

The ADP is what it is... in most leagues, Jones is way undervalued. The shark move is to take him in the 5th or so, dependent on scoring system. Rice is going before Jones most of the time, and I think Jones is on a par with Rice, and maybe carries less risk too.

 

[TDavi118]

well, I still think Greene is the back to own in a dynasty. I don't know I've just had this hunch since before the season. I think he's going to help many ff teams in the playoffs this year. Again, just a gut feeling.

Since Leon is done, who is the Jets #3 RB now?

 

[Reaper]

When I calm down over the Woodhead cut, and return to mental stability, i'll chime in.... maybe tomorrow!

LOL... I thought this post was new.Woodhead is back!!!!!!!!!

 

[TDavi118]

So what is the pool's evaluation after the season? Now that Washington was injured and Jones contract status have come to an interesting situation for the jets future, I think it's safe to say that Greene is the guy to own in dynasty leagues. What do you all think now that the season has ended? What is Greene's value and Compare Greene to former/active NFL RBs.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think it's safe to say that Greene is the guy to own in dynasty leagues.

I don't think you need that last bit.

 

[Birdie048]

Okay... maybe I am clearly biased.... being a S Greene owner (and not either Leon or TJ).

I see NYJ restructuring the contract of TJ and offering Leon a new short term deal to have all 3 return. TJ wants a long term deal to set up his final playing days. For a RB who will be 32 when the season starts, there is not much interest in the FA market - just ask LT. RBBC situations with some GL work could be the best he could hope for.....

They will not pay him his $3M Roster bonus plus something like $2.7M salary to be a part time player. They want to keep him, but not at that $$. He wants $$ and a clear role. Things might be unsettled until they sit down to talk. He might be allowed to walk and test the market with an understanding that upon his return to NYJ, the new $$ on the table will be lower. They clearly want the vet RB as insurance, but the business side of his salary makes this situation difficult. His Pride might be the biggest factor in his way when it comes to a new contract being worked out.

I really like S Greene. I think with a 60/40 split of Greene/TJ, the NYJ will again be a strong running team.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

The Jets ran the ball 607 times last season. That's 38 times a game. There were only three other clubs that ran the ball more than 500 times, with second place being 525 rushes.

You've got to assume they'll come back to the pack with Sanchez coming into his second season. So I'd start by wiping out about 100 carries. That still makes them top 5 in rushing attempts. So if we assume that they'll run the ball 500 times next season, how will those carries be split?

I see a rotation amongst the three of them. Greene and Jones will split 1st and 2nd down duties, and Leon gets 3rd downs. Don't forget the Jets were getting the ball to Leon 14 times a game until he got hurt. I think all three of them are good and it will be a fantasy nightmare next season.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Manish Mehta, a Jets beat writer from the Newark Star-Ledger told me on Twitter today that Lwash is sure to come back to NY, but he think Jones might not want to restructure...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Manish Mehta, a Jets beat writer from the Newark Star-Ledger told me on Twitter today that Lwash is sure to come back to NY, but he think Jones might not want to restructure...

Jones is not going to restructure and the Jets are going to finish paying out his contract. He signed a 4 yr $20 million deal, and I'm not sure what part of it was upfront but I don't think they actually are paying him $5 million this year although it very likely counts $5 million against the cap. I bet in real dollars he is getting maybe $2.5-$3 million tops...could be wrong but I believe this to be true. Greene is kinda 1 dimensional as others have pointed out, LW is no sure thing coming back from a devastating broken leg, Jones is the one constant for the Jets, Ryan loves him, no way they send him packing, not gonna happen. FF Owners of SG and LW might want to sit back and relax. But I would move Green if I could because once TJ retires or moves on, no guarantees they just roll with Greene, seriously owners are going to be mad when he has heavy competition in a year or two from the gold prospect that falls into the Jets lap and they can't pass it up.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Any thoughts on Larry Johnson, Jets fan. Might be an inexpensive solution (though he might want more carries than you would be (or should be) willing to give him.

-QG

 

[fridayfrenzy]

As usual, sounds like Thomas Jones will be underrated again this year.

 

[Sweet Love]

Any thoughts on Larry Johnson, Jets fan. Might be an inexpensive solution (though he might want more carries than you would be (or should be) willing to give him.-QG

I actually thought about that not too long ago...trouble is he is only a one-year fix tops and he did make a comment about "Christopher Street" boys...i.e. it would be a lesser version of bringing John Rocker in to pitch for NY.If they are looking for a vet RB, my guess is that Tampa may part with one of the three vets they have (Graham or Ward most likely) and I would be fine with either if Jones were to go (although I do like Jones' durability better than those two). Truth is, the jelly in this donut is Greene.

 

[Reaper]

Any thoughts on Larry Johnson, Jets fan. Might be an inexpensive solution (though he might want more carries than you would be (or should be) willing to give him.-QG

I actually thought about that not too long ago...trouble is he is only a one-year fix tops and he did make a comment about "Christopher Street" boys...i.e. it would be a lesser version of bringing John Rocker in to pitch for NY.If they are looking for a vet RB, my guess is that Tampa may part with one of the three vets they have (Graham or Ward most likely) and I would be fine with either if Jones were to go (although I do like Jones' durability better than those two). Truth is, the jelly in this donut is Greene.

Along these same lines.....Sounds to me like Willis McGahee and Thomas Jones are in very similar situations....I wonder if Rex and Willis have a relationship?????I couldn't see Rex bringing in the Larry Johnson type - He's trying to mold a team a certain way. To go From Thomas Jone "team Leader" to Larry Johnson would be ridiculous...