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Let's hear the ridiculous dynasty trade offers for Jones (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

Footballguy
I'll start a few -

DeAndre Hopkins for Jones

Eddie Lacy for Jones

Andre Johnson and a 2nd rd rookie pick for Jones.

You would think he got his arm chopped off or something.

One of my responses was, "Julio Jones isn't on the block unless he's dead. I don't care if he misses the next two years."

 
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JohnnyU

Footballguy
I'll also add, it's probably better not to try and trade for Jones at this time, because his owners are not in a good mood to start with. Then when you throw in the type of offers that are bound to come your way, well, it makes it even worse. Hell, I might not even trade him if he was turned into a veg, just out of pure principle.

 
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FlapJacks

Footballguy
Since it is 100% official, I'm wondering if anybody is trying to get him in redraft in the hope that he can play through it somehow?

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
I sent an offer of Cobb straight up. I'm rebuilding and he's a contender.

He countered with Cobb and my 1st (likely #1 overall) for Julio and his 3rd.

I'm thinking we'll land somewhere in the middle. He's obviously interested.

And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.

The next tier probably includes Cobb/Marshall/Harvin in some order.

I think it's fair.

 

JetMaxx

Footballguy
From the guy that broke the news to me, I was offered:

MJD

Mike Williams

Nicks

Antonio Brown

Brandon Myers

for

Alf

Jones

Julius

 

petenice15

Footballguy
Me and the Julio owner are both 3-2 in a 14 person non-PPR league. I'm thinking about seeing how the year plays out and offering Percy for Julio if he stays in contention and I drop out.

 

Casting Couch

Footballguy
I'll also add, it's probably better not to try and trade for Jones at this time, because his owners are not in a good mood to start with. Then when you throw in the type of offers that are bound to come your way, well, it makes it even worse. Hell, I might not even trade him if he was turned into a veg, just out of pure principle.
Disagree.

There are many teams built for making a playoff run who could benefit from another top tier WR to replace Jones, to continue their run.

In this case I could see a swap of top tier WRs as helpful to both teams if one is rebuilding, and the other is going for a championship.

 

menobrown

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
I think that's a short sighted opinion. Sorry.

I had Julio rated as my #1 dynasty WR entering this year. Until today's news he was my #1 rated WR in any format and next year he'll likely be my #1 rated dynasty WR.

If you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs and you have a chance to get a player you value as much if not more and get several years younger I don't see how you don't make that move to be honest. Especially when no matter what kind of stats Calvin puts up this year his age is going to make him a declining asset.

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
I think that's a short sighted opinion. Sorry.

I had Julio rated as my #1 dynasty WR entering this year. Until today's news he was my #1 rated WR in any format and next year he'll likely be my #1 rated dynasty WR.

If you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs and you have a chance to get a player you value as much if not more and get several years younger I don't see how you don't make that move to be honest. Especially when no matter what kind of stats Calvin puts up this year his age is going to make him a declining asset.
I admire following your rankings and making a ballsy call like that. Seriously, I do that in my leagues and make what looks to be a "bad" trade to get my guy whenever I need to, so I respect it. Not that this is a "bad" trade, it's very even, especially if you're a Julio lover.

I just don't agree on the Julio>Calvin call. Calvin still has plenty of time left in a possible HOF career, so I can't justify ranking Julio over him.

 

runner06

Footballguy
I'll also add, it's probably better not to try and trade for Jones at this time, because his owners are not in a good mood to start with. Then when you throw in the type of offers that are bound to come your way, well, it makes it even worse. Hell, I might not even trade him if he was turned into a veg, just out of pure principle.
Disagree.

There are many teams built for making a playoff run who could benefit from another top tier WR to replace Jones, to continue their run.

In this case I could see a swap of top tier WRs as helpful to both teams if one is rebuilding, and the other is going for a championship.
I also disagree. It's better to strike now with offers like the Cobb offered mentioned in here then for the J.J. owner to start considering alternative options such as keeping Julio Jones and trying to trade for a guy like Wes Welker or Roddy White from a team rebuilding.

 
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menobrown

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
I think that's a short sighted opinion. Sorry.

I had Julio rated as my #1 dynasty WR entering this year. Until today's news he was my #1 rated WR in any format and next year he'll likely be my #1 rated dynasty WR.

If you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs and you have a chance to get a player you value as much if not more and get several years younger I don't see how you don't make that move to be honest. Especially when no matter what kind of stats Calvin puts up this year his age is going to make him a declining asset.
I admire following your rankings and making a ballsy call like that. Seriously, I do that in my leagues and make what looks to be a "bad" trade to get my guy whenever I need to, so I respect it. Not that this is a "bad" trade, it's very even, especially if you're a Julio lover.

I just don't agree on the Julio>Calvin call. Calvin still has plenty of time left in a possible HOF career, so I can't justify ranking Julio over him.
If I thought my team had any chance of making the playoffs I don't do this but team is in a bad situation.

Really my biggest hesitancy in making a deal like this is this is an FFPC league and we have playoff for top few draft picks. Not having Calvin for that draft playoff was my biggest hesitancy.

Calvin should produce well for many years to come but I do have some minor concerns. Mainly that he's a big guy on hard turf that seems to need to rest his knee going all the way back to last year. A minor concern but one just the same but really had nothing to do with this trade.

I also see time and time again when players get older you essentially are stuck with them for lack of a better word because they get devalued,even if they are still producing. I really thought I would likely ride Calvin out to the end of his career due to this rather than taking an inferior player just due to being younger. I saw a chance to get younger and not take an inferior player past this year.

Another anti-trade argument someone could make to me is that maybe I could have waited for a better deal. I knew if I was going to trade Calvin it had to be for what I considered an equal player. No 2 for 1 business. That list is real short.

Graham, Dez, Julio. That's the list for now but I could see me adding Gronk to that list once he shows he is healthy. I knew Graham and Dez would not be had for Calvin. So for me as hard as it is to let go of Calvin this trade made perfect sense. Probably made even better sense for the team getting Calvin.

But the short version is if you know your team is not a playoff contender, and you can get a player you put on par while getting several years younger with considerable less wear and tear I just don't see how I don't make that offer.

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
I think that's a short sighted opinion. Sorry.

I had Julio rated as my #1 dynasty WR entering this year. Until today's news he was my #1 rated WR in any format and next year he'll likely be my #1 rated dynasty WR.

If you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs and you have a chance to get a player you value as much if not more and get several years younger I don't see how you don't make that move to be honest. Especially when no matter what kind of stats Calvin puts up this year his age is going to make him a declining asset.
I admire following your rankings and making a ballsy call like that. Seriously, I do that in my leagues and make what looks to be a "bad" trade to get my guy whenever I need to, so I respect it. Not that this is a "bad" trade, it's very even, especially if you're a Julio lover.

I just don't agree on the Julio>Calvin call. Calvin still has plenty of time left in a possible HOF career, so I can't justify ranking Julio over him.
If I thought my team had any chance of making the playoffs I don't do this but team is in a bad situation.

Really my biggest hesitancy in making a deal like this is this is an FFPC league and we have playoff for top few draft picks. Not having Calvin for that draft playoff was my biggest hesitancy.

Calvin should produce well for many years to come but I do have some minor concerns. Mainly that he's a big guy on hard turf that seems to need to rest his knee going all the way back to last year. A minor concern but one just the same but really had nothing to do with this trade.

I also see time and time again when players get older you essentially are stuck with them for lack of a better word because they get devalued,even if they are still producing. I really thought I would likely ride Calvin out to the end of his career due to this rather than taking an inferior player just due to being younger. I saw a chance to get younger and not take an inferior player past this year.

Another anti-trade argument someone could make to me is that maybe I could have waited for a better deal. I knew if I was going to trade Calvin it had to be for what I considered an equal player. No 2 for 1 business. That list is real short.

Graham, Dez, Julio. That's the list for now but I could see me adding Gronk to that list once he shows he is healthy. I knew Graham and Dez would not be had for Calvin. So for me as hard as it is to let go of Calvin this trade made perfect sense. Probably made even better sense for the team getting Calvin.

But the short version is if you know your team is not a playoff contender, and you can get a player you put on par while getting several years younger with considerable less wear and tear I just don't see how I don't make that offer.
I really like your logic here, I can see why you made the deal now.

 

lbouchard

Footballguy
I offered Foster and Garcon for Julio. He has a need at both WR (w/ Julio loss) and RB, but is a contender. Rejected without a counter.

 

jesseasi

Footballguy
I have seen offers like

Calvin / David Wilson for Julio / Martin.

I offered Gronk for Julio.

So far our Julio owner has remained quiet. I believe he is in mourning - just need to give him some space and work it out himself.

 

ghostguy123

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
It makes perfect sense to me. If I was not competing now, I would deal Calvin for Julio easily.

And the other way around. I have Julio in an FFPC dynasty, and I would deal Jullio for Calvin because I have the 2nd most VPs right now.

 

gradin123

Footballguy
With the latest news coming out that Julio may have broke the screw implanted from his previous 2011 surgery that is concerning about the longterm stability of that foot even in dynasty leagues. This certainly has the makings of a chronic injury throughout his career.

 
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ghostguy123

Footballguy
I was offered Cobb, TY Hilton, Ellington and a 2nd for Julio. I accepted.
I think I would take Cobb and Hilton

or Cobb and a halfway good looking 2014 1st

Hell if you really want Julio back in the offseason, I would think Cobb and two 1sts could get Julio more often than not, so you "rent" Cobb for a year for a 1st (late 1st hopefully"

I dont recommend that, but just in case you regret it after this year

 

Ketamine Dreams

Footballguy
With the latest news coming out that Julio may have broke the screw implanted from his previous 2011 surgery that is concerning about the longterm stability of that foot even in dynasty leagues. This certainly has the makings of a chronic injury throughout his career.
This.

You might soon be wishing you had traded him away for some of these offers. That is a possibility.

 

menobrown

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
It makes perfect sense to me. If I was not competing now, I would deal Calvin for Julio easily.

And the other way around. I have Julio in an FFPC dynasty, and I would deal Jullio for Calvin because I have the 2nd most VPs right now.
I'd add I've got Julio in another FFPC dynasty team that I still consider to be a playoff contender. In that league I'd probably trade Julio for Calvin. I know I wanted to make an offer for a player today that involved me trading Julio but I have a co-owner in this league that was not on board.

Different teams, different set of circumstances call for different course of actions.

 

JohnnyU

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.

 
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ghostguy123

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
It makes perfect sense to me. If I was not competing now, I would deal Calvin for Julio easily.

And the other way around. I have Julio in an FFPC dynasty, and I would deal Jullio for Calvin because I have the 2nd most VPs right now.
I'd add I've got Julio in another FFPC dynasty team that I still consider to be a playoff contender. In that league I'd probably trade Julio for Calvin. I know I wanted to make an offer for a player today that involved me trading Julio but I have a co-owner in this league that was not on board.

Different teams, different set of circumstances call for different course of actions.
Seems perfect. You deal Calvin for Julio in the league where you are sucking, and deal Julio for Calvin in the league where you are doing well.

 

Pipes

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.

 

pollardsvision

Footballguy
Offered a somewhat bargain-priced Jordy Nelson. He's considering.

Looking across the league, I think that's the best he'll get if he decides to trade. Competition at the top is pretty even, so other teams are unlikely to think they can win this year giving up an asset better than Jordy. If they could, it would likely be in the form of a very expensive keeper. Other rebuilding teams don't have a WR that could come close to replacing Julio while still being a well-priced keeper option.

I don't have the goods to make a godfather offer, but I think it's fair.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
And really, can you expect better than Cobb+, if you're hell bent on winning now?

Calvin/Green/Dez/Demaryius are all in the same tier as Julio. No ones making that deal.
I just traded Calvin for Julio and third round rookie pick.
That doesn't make sense to me whether you're competing or rebuilding. Sorry.
I think that's a short sighted opinion. Sorry.

I had Julio rated as my #1 dynasty WR entering this year. Until today's news he was my #1 rated WR in any format and next year he'll likely be my #1 rated dynasty WR.

If you have a team that's not going to make the playoffs and you have a chance to get a player you value as much if not more and get several years younger I don't see how you don't make that move to be honest. Especially when no matter what kind of stats Calvin puts up this year his age is going to make him a declining asset.
I admire following your rankings and making a ballsy call like that. Seriously, I do that in my leagues and make what looks to be a "bad" trade to get my guy whenever I need to, so I respect it. Not that this is a "bad" trade, it's very even, especially if you're a Julio lover.

I just don't agree on the Julio>Calvin call. Calvin still has plenty of time left in a possible HOF career, so I can't justify ranking Julio over him.
If I thought my team had any chance of making the playoffs I don't do this but team is in a bad situation.

Really my biggest hesitancy in making a deal like this is this is an FFPC league and we have playoff for top few draft picks. Not having Calvin for that draft playoff was my biggest hesitancy.

Calvin should produce well for many years to come but I do have some minor concerns. Mainly that he's a big guy on hard turf that seems to need to rest his knee going all the way back to last year. A minor concern but one just the same but really had nothing to do with this trade.

I also see time and time again when players get older you essentially are stuck with them for lack of a better word because they get devalued,even if they are still producing. I really thought I would likely ride Calvin out to the end of his career due to this rather than taking an inferior player just due to being younger. I saw a chance to get younger and not take an inferior player past this year.

Another anti-trade argument someone could make to me is that maybe I could have waited for a better deal. I knew if I was going to trade Calvin it had to be for what I considered an equal player. No 2 for 1 business. That list is real short.

Graham, Dez, Julio. That's the list for now but I could see me adding Gronk to that list once he shows he is healthy. I knew Graham and Dez would not be had for Calvin. So for me as hard as it is to let go of Calvin this trade made perfect sense. Probably made even better sense for the team getting Calvin.

But the short version is if you know your team is not a playoff contender, and you can get a player you put on par while getting several years younger with considerable less wear and tear I just don't see how I don't make that offer.
I wish more FBG threads were like this. Really nice to see the back and forth from both sides explain and listen to the other's point of view.

I totally get the thought about how older players can't get the return, even if they are producing. In various leagues, I've heard every line you can hear about why people don't think Andre Johnson can help their fantasy teams. I've been told for three years that Reggie Wayne is washed up.

With that being said, the one point in dealing Calvin for Julio that I probably couldn't get on board with is when it was said above that receiving Julio wasnt getting an inferior player. Julio is amazing but as far as a difference maker, Calvin is still in a tier unto himself. But he is older so its probably a trade that makes sense on both sides. Unless, of course, the condition to Julio becomes chronic and you look back 5 years from now and see that Calvin is still producing like AJ is now and Julio has become one of those shells of his former self (nicks, part 2).

 

cstu

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.
I offered the trade but I can see why he rejected it. He's still the favorite to win the league although I agree it almost seals it for him. I also have a playoff team but am a long shot even with AP to win it all.

 

squistion

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Wat?

I'm sorry, but with Jones future beyond this year being uncertain and somewhat speculative - as this is related to a prior injury (per unofficial reports) I can't imagine turning down ADP for Jones. Good luck to you, I don't pretend that I can predict the future and you may turn out to be the smart one here.

 
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KellysHeroes

Footballguy
I'll also add, it's probably better not to try and trade for Jones at this time, because his owners are not in a good mood to start with. Then when you throw in the type of offers that are bound to come your way, well, it makes it even worse. Hell, I might not even trade him if he was turned into a veg, just out of pure principle.
Disagree.

There are many teams built for making a playoff run who could benefit from another top tier WR to replace Jones, to continue their run.

In this case I could see a swap of top tier WRs as helpful to both teams if one is rebuilding, and the other is going for a championship.
its a delicate time to send a offer, if you lowball them you'll probably lose your shot to make the move. I myself have gone from "I will never trade him" to "its going to take a good deal".

 

runner06

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.
I think you're underrating the high level of week-to-week variance in fantasy football.

Basically, is sacrificing a young talent like Julio Jones really worth bumping your chances of winning the titles from 20% to maybe 25% (or 25% to 30%, etc)?

There was a good conversation about variance in the dynasty rankings thread a week or two ago.

 

ghostguy123

Footballguy
I offered Julio for Decker and two 2014 1sts (one looks like it could be early, one looks to be late).

We'll see I guess

 

trader jake

Footballguy
We're both contenders, but I have a lot of WR depth. He is the Amendola owner and could now use a wideout with Julio out.

For Julio Jones I offered Josh Gordon, Julien Edelman, Julius Peppers, and two 4th round picks

The offer was rejected.

 

LususV

Footballguy
I considered offering Cruz+1st (early) for him, but the Jones owner is 2-3 and not a 2013 contender.

 

Pipes

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.
I think you're underrating the high level of week-to-week variance in fantasy football.

Basically, is sacrificing a young talent like Julio Jones really worth bumping your chances of winning the titles from 20% to maybe 25% (or 25% to 30%, etc)?

There was a good conversation about variance in the dynasty rankings thread a week or two ago.
I think Peterson has a few years left as a top back so this isn't just a 1 year deal. Plus with having 3 other legit WRs and only 1 legit RB it seems like a no brainer to me. It seems in dynasty people worry too much about the long term future instead of what's best for the team now. Also with the mess in Tampa I wouldn't be comfortable with just Doug Martin as my only legit RB.

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
Julio owner in one league is trying to talk me into Cobb + Leveon Bell. I don't really want to do that, and I'm not even a huge Bell fan. But he is a 21 year old bellcow, no matter how bad the Steelers are.

 

JohnnyU

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.
I think you're underrating the high level of week-to-week variance in fantasy football.

Basically, is sacrificing a young talent like Julio Jones really worth bumping your chances of winning the titles from 20% to maybe 25% (or 25% to 30%, etc)?

There was a good conversation about variance in the dynasty rankings thread a week or two ago.
I think Peterson has a few years left as a top back so this isn't just a 1 year deal. Plus with having 3 other legit WRs and only 1 legit RB it seems like a no brainer to me. It seems in dynasty people worry too much about the long term future instead of what's best for the team now. Also with the mess in Tampa I wouldn't be comfortable with just Doug Martin as my only legit RB.
No way I make that deal straight up. I can win this thing without Jones.

 

Ernol

Footballguy
I just got a good offer in a dynasty league of Adrian Peterson for Julio Jones and I turned it down. I feel I can win the league without Jones. I have Kaepernick, Luck, Doug Martin, A J Green, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown Hakeem Nicks, Chris Givens, Rueben Randle,, Jimmy Graham, Finley, and Julian Thomas. We only have to start 1 RB. However, if Martin goes down I'm probably done, because my only other RBs of note are Pierre Thomas and Ingram whenever he comes back. Of course Pierre Thomas is certainly a decent start in PPR. So turning down Peterson may cost me a chance at a title should Martin go down, but I'll take that gamble if it means hanging on to Julio Jones.
Is this a joke? AP almost locks up a championship for you with that squad.
I think you're underrating the high level of week-to-week variance in fantasy football.

Basically, is sacrificing a young talent like Julio Jones really worth bumping your chances of winning the titles from 20% to maybe 25% (or 25% to 30%, etc)?

There was a good conversation about variance in the dynasty rankings thread a week or two ago.
I think Peterson has a few years left as a top back so this isn't just a 1 year deal. Plus with having 3 other legit WRs and only 1 legit RB it seems like a no brainer to me. It seems in dynasty people worry too much about the long term future instead of what's best for the team now. Also with the mess in Tampa I wouldn't be comfortable with just Doug Martin as my only legit RB.
No way I make that deal straight up. I can win this thing without Jones.
JohnnyU is on the right track here imo. Julio Jones (injured) > Adrian Peterson in dynasty. Its not all that close in a minimum 1RB league.

 

jvdesigns2002

Footballguy
Very fun and interesting thread to read here. For me personally--I see two types of Julio owners (in regards to dynasty formats) while reading through this thread. I see the types that still value him as a "holy grail" asset and I see others that actually understand that his value took a hit. Don't get me wrong--he still should command solid value--but some of the deals that I'm reading about on this thread are insane to me. I play in plenty of dynasty leagues--and I see two types of owners--the types that manage to "win now" and still stay competitive from season to season--and owners that always seem to take into account how strong their team will be in the future--and they rarely ever seem to win now. If there is one thing that fantasy football has taught us (especially this season) is that nobody can count on anything week to week--yet alone season to season. Before Monday night--Julio was a guaranteed top 5-10 dynasty asset--and now he's a WR with a broken screw in his foot that could have chronic issues the rest of his career. Last season--guys like ridley, doug martin, and spiller were considered to be untouchable and fantasy beasts--and so far this year--they have all been vastly outperformed by knowshon moreno. When I see that somebody traded away Calvin Johnson (a guy who is a top tier wr1, and there is no reason to believe that he wont be a top tier wr1 for the next 2-3 years) for Julio--it honestly shocks me. Calvin for Julio even before Julio got hurt would maybe be considered a fair enough deal--but to trade him away for Julio now (who has major question marks) is nuts to me. Also--for a person to turn down AP when his team is already loaded with wr's outside of Julio is very questionable in my opinion. I'm in a business where I not only sell things to customers--but I also buy and trade things from them as well. If there is one thing that everybody should take into account is that if you are going to buy or trade for something--you have to protect your investment. The more risk that comes with the thing you are buying---the less you should offer. This is not being stingy--this is being realistic and reasonable. If I buy a used car from a private party where I have zero recourse if something goes wrong (taking more risk) versus if I buy a used car from a dealer where I have some recourse in case something goes wrong(I'm taking less risk)--I'd certainly offer and expect to pay less to the private party seller. The reality is that Julio has a lot of question marks around him now-- his value is very risky. Some owners want to believe he's still untouchable--which they are entitled to think so--but in reality--I don't think that any Julio owner should be offended or call any halfway decent offer "ridiculous"--as it is just as reasonable for other owners to think his value has dropped moderately.

 

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