Let's talk about the Raiders QB situation: (1 Viewer)

[azcards33]

I am definately not a Raider fan, but am very curious about the Raiders QB situation going into '06.

I've been reading various 49ers, Cardinals, and Raiders sites to keep abreast of the latest news from any of those teams, and what I'm finding on the Raiders boards is definately interesting.

There are a whole lot of Raider fans that believe that Andrew Walter is the 'guy' and can lead their team back to respectablity, while others are saying that the team should go out and sign McCown. Would the Raiders even be able to go out and sign McCown given their current salary cap nightmare?

Here is a post from someone on those boards discussing McCown:

I think D.Brees will be too much money and you dont know how good he'll be without Gates and Tomlinson. G.Ferrotte will only ever be a backup. Young or Cutler I would like but I want them to draft Hawk. So I think Josh McCown has done really well with that bad Cardinal team he played with going 3-3 this year with 2 games passing for more than 375 yds. I think he has the most upside, is still young at 26, has been in the league for 4 years, and he is mobile for being as big as he is. There is also A.Brooks but I think he would be a lot of money.

 

[Warpig]

I am definately not a Raider fan, but am very curious about the Raiders QB situation going into '06.

I've been reading various 49ers, Cardinals, and Raiders sites to keep abreast of the latest news from any of those teams, and what I'm finding on the Raiders boards is definately interesting.

There are a whole lot of Raider fans that believe that Andrew Walter is the 'guy' and can lead their team back to respectablity, while others are saying that the team should go out and sign McCown. Would the Raiders even be able to go out and sign McCown given their current salary cap nightmare?

Here is a post from someone on those boards discussing McCown:

I think D.Brees will be too much money and you dont know how good he'll be without Gates and Tomlinson. G.Ferrotte will only ever be a backup. Young or Cutler I would like but I want them to draft Hawk. So I think Josh McCown has done really well with that bad Cardinal team he played with going 3-3 this year with 2 games passing for more than 375 yds. I think he has the most upside, is still young at 26, has been in the league for 4 years, and he is mobile for being as big as he is. There is also A.Brooks but I think he would be a lot of money.

Collins restructures and stays on. He will be the starter for atleast the first 6-8 games and then he will be benched then cut.

 

[msommer]

If they cut Collins they should have room for a bit of FA action and likely McCown is not going to be very expensive

 

[Texasmouth]

I think Collins is out of there. he has done zero since he got there. Any rookie could do as good as Collins has done. I think they end up with Cutler or Young some how.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

They will bring back Collins but also draft a rookie with their first pick.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle) says he's Al's guy. We all know what that means! She was right about Courtney Anderson 2 years ago, so when she speaks I listen.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Patrick Ramsey!!!

 

[raidergil]

Since they just drafted Walter, I can't see them using 1st pick on a QB. Defense is just too big of a need. Collins will remain as starter unless cap doesn't increase then they'll have no choice but to cut him.

 

[MLBrandow]

Since they just drafted Walter, I can't see them using 1st pick on a QB.  Defense is just too big of a need.  Collins will remain as starter unless cap doesn't increase then they'll have no choice but to cut him.

I'd really like to see some more homer info on Andrew Walter. I want to know what Davis sees in him, if anything.... that will definitely have an impact on whether they scoop up Young or Cutler if either drops.

Walter might well be the starting QB next year.

to whoever said Collins is restructuring to stay with the Raiders next year. They already cut him once.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle) says he's Al's guy. We all know what that means! She was right about Courtney Anderson 2 years ago, so when she speaks I listen.

Mike Lombardi (Raider Personnel Director) said as much at the Combine. No 1st round QB. Happy with Walter, no need for another young project, when he's worth developing. Have other worries on the roster.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am sure the Raiders will look at bringing in a veteran Qb such as Kitna for stability.

But I like Andrew Walter a lot and hope they let him be the man. He was a high value pick imo in last years rookie drafts. I would have liked to see him play a game last year but they let him heal up instead.

Training camp will be interesting.

Walter

 

[BringItOn]

How about Matt Schaub?

 

[JBaldachino]

"I think D.Brees will be too much money and you dont know how good he'll be without Gates and Tomlinson. "

ummm... I dunno randy moss is an ok target. Brees would be an excellent pick up for the Raiders if he's healthy. Moss-Porter-Jordon are a pretty good trio of options on offense.

 

[toxicbees]

Walter is the man this year. He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia. He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

 

[Warpig]

to whoever said Collins is restructuring to stay with the Raiders next year. They already cut him once.

They cut him because his contract wasn't restructured and they had to get under or take another penalty. Why would they have BROUGHT HIM BACK if they weren't interested in keeping him? There's been several other players cut and brought back. These are wacky times.

 

[raidergil]

On Mike & Mike this morning, John Clayton said Al told him yesterday that Collins will be kept (unless there is no CBA agreement & cap remains as is).

 

[Warpig]

On Mike & Mike this morning, John Clayton said Al told him yesterday that Collins will be kept (unless there is no CBA agreement & cap remains as is).

Nooooooo. They didn't say that. That's just madness. I mean, he only threw for 3500+ yds, 20 TD's and a handful of INT's. That's terrible! (sarcasm)

 

[perry147]

Walter is the man this year. He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia. He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

 

[BigTex]

On Mike & Mike this morning, John Clayton said Al told him yesterday that Collins will be kept (unless there is no CBA agreement & cap remains as is).

I heard that this morning also. This would be good for Collins owners.

 

[Warpig]

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

Collins was quoted as saying he is willing to restructure, buuuut "he won't work for peanuts". Take it for what it's worth. I think they are better off with him for now but ofcourse he'll be replaced either towards the middle of the season or immediately after. If the CBA isn't reached...he'll be gone sooner. Yes...I'm a Collins owner.

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

A Brooks would be a "nice" fit

 

[perry147]

A Brooks would be a "nice" fit

I hope that was

 

[JAA]

Aaron Brooks is an interesting prospect

 

[Warpig]

Aaron Brooks is an interesting prospect

It's a shame that you would still consider him a prospect even though he's been in the league what...6 or 7 years? Rookies are prospects. Brooks is beyond prospect. I'd say borderline backup if not backup. He's just not smart enough it seems. He might have athletic ability, but he's not smart enough to run the game for ya. I might even rather have someone like Dilfer. Atleast Dilfer wouldn't lose the game for ya by making stupid mistakes.

 

[raidergil]

Aaron Brooks is an interesting prospect

It's a shame that you would still consider him a prospect even though he's been in the league what...6 or 7 years? Rookies are prospects. Brooks is beyond prospect. I'd say borderline backup if not backup. He's just not smart enough it seems. He might have athletic ability, but he's not smart enough to run the game for ya. I might even rather have someone like Dilfer. Atleast Dilfer wouldn't lose the game for ya by making stupid mistakes.

The only things Brooks might offer over Collins are scrambling ability & cheaper contract, otherwise gimme Collins. I don't have a lot of trust in Collins in a clutch spot but he has been to Championship games & SB. Brooks is just a turnover waiting to happen. No thanks.

 

[nygiants56]

They will bring back Collins but also draft a rookie with their first pick.

thats what Kiper, Jr. is saying,anyhow..

Cutler going to the Raiders..

 

[nygiants56]

Patrick Ramsey!!!

great arm strength, but is he any good? looks terrible in Washington ...

 

[Big Score]

How about Matt Schaub?

It'll be extremely difficult for anyone to get Schaub, considering he's locked in with the Falcons and they aren't looking to trade him. I guess if Al offered the Falcons a 1st or 2nd rounder, they would at least listen.

 

[Demons]

I see them doing what they can to keep Collins for another year, if it is at a reasonable price. I also see them taking Young if he drops to them at #7.

Collins as a one year starter with Walter and/or Young in the wings. Tui is likely gone, unless they don't draft another QB. I also think they will draft another QB, whether it is in the 1st round or later. The younger Vick might be an option later in the draft.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

It's not like they are Super Bowl contenders this year. They should get the kid some experience if they think he's their future. He has to get experience somehow. A veteran stopgap might win them a couple more games this year but it's not like the available guys are going to make them a playoff team.

 

[psychobillies]

Aaron Brooks is an interesting prospect

It's a shame that you would still consider him a prospect even though he's been in the league what...6 or 7 years? Rookies are prospects. Brooks is beyond prospect. I'd say borderline backup if not backup. He's just not smart enough it seems. He might have athletic ability, but he's not smart enough to run the game for ya. I might even rather have someone like Dilfer. Atleast Dilfer wouldn't lose the game for ya by making stupid mistakes.

The only things Brooks might offer over Collins are scrambling ability & cheaper contract, otherwise gimme Collins. I don't have a lot of trust in Collins in a clutch spot but he has been to Championship games & SB. Brooks is just a turnover waiting to happen. No thanks.

I am glad I don't have to choose, but if I did I would take Brooks way before Collins, and it's not even close. They both fumble and throw picks, make big mistakes, and crumble under pressure. But Brooks has a better arm and some scrambling ability.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

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Long enough sig??Don't worry, its not annoying at all to have to scroll down a whole page just for your sig.

 

[5Rings]

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle)

:X Not a fan of Gay

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Vince Young

Book it!

 

[JMon348]

Daunte Culpepper, all it will cost is the 7th overall pick

as a viking fan im crossing my fingers for this

 

[Mr. Vegas]

Brooks,Griese,Culpepper.

I think this is the 3 vets.

They will draft a rook.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle) 

:X Not a fan of Gay

Anyone Warren Sapp called a nosy ##### is cool with me!

 

[Toads]

Walter is the man this year. He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia. He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

It's not like they are Super Bowl contenders this year. They should get the kid some experience if they think he's their future. He has to get experience somehow. A veteran stopgap might win them a couple more games this year but it's not like the available guys are going to make them a playoff team.

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle) 

:X

Nice thread.

I waded through the speculations on the nature of free agent relativity, the sarcasm, the postulations on draft picks...the whole mess....in an attempt to see if there was something worth while imbedded in this thread.

Yup, there is.

Andrew Walter is the deal.

At least in the world of FFB, he is.

Aren't we all looking for a cheap #4 QB with the upside of a starter?

Andrew Walter or Jason Campbell or Alex Smith....pick your poison.

Somewhere in there, for a Qb who's had, for what ever reason, a year to sit and watch film, study hot reads, absorb the pressure he'll face and where it will come from.....that's got be worth something.

A rookie QB that sits in his first year, watches and studies......that seems to be the way to bring a rookie into the league........unless, of course, Vince Young falls to the Raiders at the #7 pick.

If Walter is their man, we'll find out right there. Young is worth a lot more in a trade down scenario.......to gain overall team strength by trading down for multiple second rounders in what appears to be a draft that's got a ton of second, and third, round talent.

Added by edit: I wanted all that mess to cascade, but it didn't. Technical question: what function, in addition to clicking on "quote", do I need to click on to get that effect?

 

[Mr. Vegas]

Walter is the man this year. He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia. He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

Walter is the man this year.  He would have been given the job last year if it weren't for his sports hernia.  He looked awesome in the short amount of time he had to play in the pre-season.

Andrew Walter has not played yet in the NFL except preseason and to hand the QB prosition over to him at this time would be a huge negative. Collins was not good last year (he was a better FF QB than and NFL QB) but I think the Raiders have a much better chance with Collins than with Andrew Walter. The unknown factor at this point is the salary cap and I believe that is an agreement is not reached and the cap number remains the same then Collins will be cut if he does not restructure his deal and the starting job will be between Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo with MT starting the season but soon replaced by AW if previous reports are correct that AW is Al Davis's guy.

It's not like they are Super Bowl contenders this year. They should get the kid some experience if they think he's their future. He has to get experience somehow. A veteran stopgap might win them a couple more games this year but it's not like the available guys are going to make them a playoff team.

I like Andrew Walter, and my Raiders source (Nancy Gay from the SF Chronicle) 

:X

Nice thread.

I waded through the speculations on the nature of free agent relativity, the sarcasm, the postulations on draft picks...the whole mess....in an attempt to see if there was something worth while imbedded in this thread.

Yup, there is.

Andrew Walter is the deal.

At least in the world of FFB, he is.

Aren't we all looking for a cheap #4 QB with the upside of a starter?

Andrew Walter or Jason Campbell or Alex Smith....pick your poison.

Somewhere in there, for a Qb who's had, for what ever reason, a year to sit and watch film, study hot reads, absorb the pressure he'll face and where it will come from.....that's got be worth something.

A rookie QB that sits in his first year, watches and studies......that seems to be the way to bring a rookie into the league........unless, of course, Vince Young falls to the Raiders at the #7 pick.

If Walter is their man, we'll find out right there. Young is worth a lot more in a trade down scenario.......to gain overall team strength by trading down for multiple second rounders in what appears to be a draft that's got a ton of second, and third, round talent.

Added by edit: I wanted all that mess to cascade, but it didn't. Technical question: what function, in addition to clicking on "quote", do I need to click on to get that effect?

'unless, of course, Vince Young falls to the Raiders at the #7 pick.'

There's only one QB, they want and it's not V.Young.

It's Cutler.