Let's talk Derrick Ward (1 Viewer)

[TS Garp]

Did a search, and, unless my searching skills are off (very possible), it doesn't seem like he's been discussed much lately.

He's currently ranked at #30 in redrafts. Jason Wood went out on a limb and has him at #17, but no one else has him ranked above #25 and four people have him ranked above 30, with one having him at 44. Granted, the presence of Graham is an issue, and this is very likely to be some sort of RBBC. That said, Ward's in a pretty ideal situation: he's an explosive back running behind a great line in a blocking scheme that's familiar to him, and he's on a good team that should be in a lot of close games and remain committed to the run. We'll have to see how this situation shakes out as we get closer to the season, but given the money they're paying him, I think you'll see the Bucs give Ward the lion's share of the carries and he should see a lot of touches, regardless of Graham. He should be good for at least 200 carries (with as many as 250 possible) and 45+ catches, making him potentially a huge bargain. It's possible that I'm looking at him through orange colored glasses, but he just seems like the sort of guy who could make a lot of drafts -- the guy who gets drafted as an RB3 and puts up borderline RB1 numbers. I see a lot more upside than downside here.

Thoughts?

 

[-baller]

ever since I saw some guy link this I've been going nuts w/it, even though I have no idea what relevance it has.

anyway, if it helps your thread any, he's going bottom 4th in a 12 teamer --- around mid 20's for rb's.

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.p...09&teams=12

 

[EBF]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:

- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both.

- The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.

Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

 

[The Future Champs]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both. - The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

I don't mind the trainwreck aspect, as someone is going to get the touches on offense. I do mind Graham, who's produced when given the opportunity.

 

[TS Garp]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both. - The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

Fair enough on the Bucs, but not sure about questioning his talent based on what he's done He was blocked in NY, but did all that he could with his opportunities -- had the highest YPC in the NFL last season (for RB's with any significant of carries) and averages 5.1 YPC for his career. Running for more than 1,000 yards on 184 carries is impressive. Many people said the same thing about Turner last year. There are certainly differences, and I'm not saying that Ward will pull a Turner, but I do think the talent is there. Whether he can sustain it with more carries and if he can remain healthy are the bigger questions.

 

[Garts]

Graham is good at the goalline...from what I have seen although I have looked at the stats all that close.

 

[EBF]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.

Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter.

You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

 

[-baller]

looks like you've got the usual dozen suspects at the top of the drafts, then these guys over ward:

grant

brown

addai

bush

k smith

lynch

p thomas

t jones

parker

you can make a good case for ward, but you can make a good case for most of these guys, too.

looks like he's still getting taken ahead of:

l johnson

mcfadden

moreno

j-stew

white

beanie

and graham's going in the 9th.

 

[TS Garp]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter. You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

I hear you -- I should have been clear that I wasn't trying to draw a direct comparison with Turner, but I do remember a lot of discussion at this time last year regarding whether Turner was really that talented and I think there are some similarities. Ward's put up two very productive seasons in a row, and, while he's certainly been in a great situation, he's moving to another good one for his game. I don't think he's a slam dunk, but if he's falling into the late 20's (for RB's), I think he becomes a real bargain with a lot of upside.

 

[TitusIII]

Mos def a sleeper, to a T really. I'm keeping him over Pierre Thomas, Thomas Jones, and Kevin Smith. He has certainly improved a great deal since he entered the league, and I was always impressed watching him carry the ball for the Giants. Whether it's simply the vitamins he has been taking, or hard work, the guy is a legit threat to finsish as a top 20 back in 2009.

 

[QUEZILLA]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:

- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both.

It took Graham a while to emerge, and he is pretty good. He doesn't have top end speed, but that hasn't stopped him from busting off huge runs. He can also catch very well.I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

And yes, I think a "healthy" Caddy is better than both guys. He tore it up in the Oak. game. We have the luxury of not having to rush him back, even though it was a different leg.

- The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.

Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

The Bucs will surprise people this season. Personnel wise, we lost Brooks, Buchanon, and June. Buchanon is the one i am concerned about, but Brooks & June still haven't been signed. That leads me to believe the team made the right decision. Not as worried about QB as others, because this is going to be an obvious run 1st team. On offense not much has changed, except adding more weapons.

I'm more concerned about new coaches, and schemes.

 

[Mene]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

 

[TS Garp]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

I like Ward a lot and I think 250 carries is a possibility, but I don't see him getting that close to 300.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both. - The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

Yeah, right here, that's about right...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

300? Can you break that down between rushing attempts and catches with a possible rookie under center that is a project to begin with, a totally fluke season from their WR1 last year in Gruden's offense with a very experienced QB throwing the ball(last year and gone this year), and no real proven WRs after that...I just have a hard time with Tampa's offense right now.

 

[moderated]

Ward won't get enough touches to be a difference maker.

Graham is good for at least 10 touches a game plus goal line carries which negated any value in the TB backfield unless one of Ward/Graham get injured.

Fools gold.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Why grab Ward in the 5th/6th when you can have Graham in the 10th or later?

 

[Mene]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

I like Ward a lot and I think 250 carries is a possibility, but I don't see him getting that close to 300.

My 300 touches is assuming roughly 250 carries and 50 catches, he's a damn good receiver.

 

[Mene]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

300? Can you break that down between rushing attempts and catches with a possible rookie under center that is a project to begin with, a totally fluke season from their WR1 last year in Gruden's offense with a very experienced QB throwing the ball(last year and gone this year), and no real proven WRs after that...I just have a hard time with Tampa's offense right now.

I'm not terribly high on the TB O this year, but just look at the contracts....- Graham is heavily back-loaded, with no guaranteed money, and no cap hits for cutting him at any point in the deal

- Ward is pretty front loaded, with the first two years netting him 9.25 mil, and 13 over the first 3

That screams giving Ward ample opportunity to show he can be the lead back, at least imo. Keep in mind, lead back, not bell cow. As I said, I could see 250 carries and 50 catches as potential upside, and you'd still be able to keep Graham involved. As far as Caddy.... man, I just wonder if he is ever going to be right again. He's really had a hard time getting healthy. As far as the TB offense, I don't expect world beaters, but ..

- Young and talented O Line.

- A Bryant has always been regarded as a talented underachiever, perhaps he really has turned the corner. He's also on another 1 yr deal, which bodes well for motivation

- K. Winslow is still a threat, when healthy. Obviously, his health is a Big IF, but hell... all of fantasy football is speculation.

Even in an average to bad Offense, if he gets those touches, 1400/1500 total yds are certainly possible.

 

[dmac37]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.

Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter.

You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

Good point with the NYG high end run game system.Where would Bradshaw rank (in comparison to Ward) if he was in Tampa Bay and Ward was still with the Giants.

 

[bostonfred]

Who was the best rushing offense in the season last year? Name their quarterback. A lot of coaches believe in protecting their bad passing games by overrelying on the run. I see Ward as a good player with fresh legs behind a young line who should get opportunities.

Graham played for the same system that made Charlie Garner a first round pick. In Oakland. If you're going to ding Ward for playing in a RB friendly system, let's realize that Graham also comes from a RB friendly system, and was apparently just good enough to make them go get the best available free agent RB.

And Tampa's not that bad a place for him to land. It turns out that they've got a quality line and a decent D. There's some turnover, and this is not a great offense, but they have a great blocking receiver in Clayton, a top TE in Winslow who should draw the linebacker/safety away from the line of scrimmage and can also block, and a WR who can keep opposing D's honest.

Ward's done well in the limited opportunity he's gotten over the last couple years. He can play every down. I believe he's good enough to be the lead back - which shouldn't be hard, because 1) he's decent and 2) Graham's mediocre.

The number of people going stud WR this year is causing longer and longer WR runs. The key to a successful draft is going to be more about having the best 5th and 6th position players, and less about having the best RBs. In the past, the best 6th position player was virtually always a WR because of the early RB runs, but that's not going to be true anymore. RB10 is still going before WR10, but WR20 is going before RB20, and WR30 is going before RB30. It's easier to get a quality RB2 or RB3 in the later rounds than a WR right now. I think Ward's upside makes him one of the ones you should target. If he keeps going this late, I'll be targetting him in every draft.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

300? Can you break that down between rushing attempts and catches with a possible rookie under center that is a project to begin with, a totally fluke season from their WR1 last year in Gruden's offense with a very experienced QB throwing the ball(last year and gone this year), and no real proven WRs after that...I just have a hard time with Tampa's offense right now.

I'm not terribly high on the TB O this year, but just look at the contracts....- Graham is heavily back-loaded, with no guaranteed money, and no cap hits for cutting him at any point in the deal

- Ward is pretty front loaded, with the first two years netting him 9.25 mil, and 13 over the first 3

That screams giving Ward ample opportunity to show he can be the lead back, at least imo. Keep in mind, lead back, not bell cow. As I said, I could see 250 carries and 50 catches as potential upside, and you'd still be able to keep Graham involved. As far as Caddy.... man, I just wonder if he is ever going to be right again. He's really had a hard time getting healthy. As far as the TB offense, I don't expect world beaters, but ..

- Young and talented O Line.

- A Bryant has always been regarded as a talented underachiever, perhaps he really has turned the corner. He's also on another 1 yr deal, which bodes well for motivation

- K. Winslow is still a threat, when healthy. Obviously, his health is a Big IF, but hell... all of fantasy football is speculation.

Even in an average to bad Offense, if he gets those touches, 1400/1500 total yds are certainly possible.

I haven't read any further but that is not a reason to like a guy IMO. Lot of guys get paid silly money and are not worth the actual dollars being spent on them. If every player played up to what they make, well the league would be a much better place...OK let me read the rest of this before I respond any further...OK, you talk about 250 carries for Ward and 50 catches...how many RBs do that on a yearly basis? I'm asking a question I have a decent idea about but just off hand...in 2008 only Forte, Slaton and LT(Yes that old man) posted 50 catches and 250+ carries. In 2007...LT, Westy, Portis(3 rec short), Gore...I could keep pulling them up but I am betting that most seasons only 3-5 RBs actually pass 50 catches and 250+ carries. You are really putting Ward in elite company and I just cannot follow that analysis. Please don't get mad, just stating facts, I like your positive thoughts but unfortuantely I try and deal in reality, not always popular in the world of fantasy.

OL: I agree there are some good blockers but again with no real QB they are at a disadvantage plus a murderous schedule.

Bryant and KW II...nobody to get them the ball which limits their imapct.

I hope you take this post as a positive...you haven't taken Ward. There are plenty of RBs with more upside around the time Ward comes off the board, in fact a couple round later their are Rbs I like even better. Good Luck, good post, look forward to more form you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Who was the best rushing offense in the season last year? Name their quarterback. A lot of coaches believe in protecting their bad passing games by overrelying on the run. I see Ward as a good player with fresh legs behind a young line who should get opportunities.

Graham played for the same system that made Charlie Garner a first round pick. In Oakland. If you're going to ding Ward for playing in a RB friendly system, let's realize that Graham also comes from a RB friendly system, and was apparently just good enough to make them go get the best available free agent RB.

And Tampa's not that bad a place for him to land. It turns out that they've got a quality line and a decent D. There's some turnover, and this is not a great offense, but they have a great blocking receiver in Clayton, a top TE in Winslow who should draw the linebacker/safety away from the line of scrimmage and can also block, and a WR who can keep opposing D's honest.

Ward's done well in the limited opportunity he's gotten over the last couple years. He can play every down. I believe he's good enough to be the lead back - which shouldn't be hard, because 1) he's decent and 2) Graham's mediocre.

The number of people going stud WR this year is causing longer and longer WR runs. The key to a successful draft is going to be more about having the best 5th and 6th position players, and less about having the best RBs. In the past, the best 6th position player was virtually always a WR because of the early RB runs, but that's not going to be true anymore. RB10 is still going before WR10, but WR20 is going before RB20, and WR30 is going before RB30. It's easier to get a quality RB2 or RB3 in the later rounds than a WR right now. I think Ward's upside makes him one of the ones you should target. If he keeps going this late, I'll be targetting him in every draft.

 

[Mene]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.

Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter.

You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

Good point with the NYG high end run game system.Where would Bradshaw rank (in comparison to Ward) if he was in Tampa Bay and Ward was still with the Giants.

This helps highlight one of the positives about Ward... Bradshaw is 5'9" - 198lb, Ward is 5'11" - 228. Ward has pretty much ideal RB size, he has really good hands, he has ideal skills for a 3 down back. Bradshaw wouldn't have gotten the contract Ward did.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.

Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter.

You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

Good point with the NYG high end run game system.Where would Bradshaw rank (in comparison to Ward) if he was in Tampa Bay and Ward was still with the Giants.

This helps highlight one of the positives about Ward... Bradshaw is 5'9" - 198lb, Ward is 5'11" - 228. Ward has pretty much ideal RB size, he has really good hands, he has ideal skills for a 3 down back. Bradshaw wouldn't have gotten the contract Ward did.

Actually, Bradshaw was buried behind Jacobs and Ward plus he had legal problems the past couple years with a couple trips to the slammer from when he was in college. This is why he went in the 7th round but the reality was he had a very nice college career. In fact he had something like 50 catches(which you like) his Senior year. Not over thumping Bradshaw but I like his upside this year in New York and I think he could actually end up with better stats then Ward. Check out Ward and his early years, lot of health issues, couldn't stay on the field...you think he can touch the ball 300 times, even if they wanted to feed him not sure he could stand up to that kind of punishment...just saying.

Mene, don't do it, don't draft Ward!!!

 

[bostonfred]

Who was the best rushing offense in the season last year? Name their quarterback. A lot of coaches believe in protecting their bad passing games by overrelying on the run. I see Ward as a good player with fresh legs behind a young line who should get opportunities.

Graham played for the same system that made Charlie Garner a first round pick. In Oakland. If you're going to ding Ward for playing in a RB friendly system, let's realize that Graham also comes from a RB friendly system, and was apparently just good enough to make them go get the best available free agent RB.

And Tampa's not that bad a place for him to land. It turns out that they've got a quality line and a decent D. There's some turnover, and this is not a great offense, but they have a great blocking receiver in Clayton, a top TE in Winslow who should draw the linebacker/safety away from the line of scrimmage and can also block, and a WR who can keep opposing D's honest.

Ward's done well in the limited opportunity he's gotten over the last couple years. He can play every down. I believe he's good enough to be the lead back - which shouldn't be hard, because 1) he's decent and 2) Graham's mediocre.

The number of people going stud WR this year is causing longer and longer WR runs. The key to a successful draft is going to be more about having the best 5th and 6th position players, and less about having the best RBs. In the past, the best 6th position player was virtually always a WR because of the early RB runs, but that's not going to be true anymore. RB10 is still going before WR10, but WR20 is going before RB20, and WR30 is going before RB30. It's easier to get a quality RB2 or RB3 in the later rounds than a WR right now. I think Ward's upside makes him one of the ones you should target. If he keeps going this late, I'll be targetting him in every draft.

You can do better than this.

 

[Mene]

I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

I just don't see Ward this way, not in the situation he is in now. He was definitely a COP back when paired with Jacobs, but Tampa gave him a decent contract, starter money for sure (4.625 mil per year for the first two years). In fact, that contract is paying him almost double what Graham makes. Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think barring injury, Ward will be the horse of this RBBC, with 300 touches a real possibility.

300? Can you break that down between rushing attempts and catches with a possible rookie under center that is a project to begin with, a totally fluke season from their WR1 last year in Gruden's offense with a very experienced QB throwing the ball(last year and gone this year), and no real proven WRs after that...I just have a hard time with Tampa's offense right now.

I'm not terribly high on the TB O this year, but just look at the contracts....- Graham is heavily back-loaded, with no guaranteed money, and no cap hits for cutting him at any point in the deal

- Ward is pretty front loaded, with the first two years netting him 9.25 mil, and 13 over the first 3

That screams giving Ward ample opportunity to show he can be the lead back, at least imo. Keep in mind, lead back, not bell cow. As I said, I could see 250 carries and 50 catches as potential upside, and you'd still be able to keep Graham involved. As far as Caddy.... man, I just wonder if he is ever going to be right again. He's really had a hard time getting healthy. As far as the TB offense, I don't expect world beaters, but ..

- Young and talented O Line.

- A Bryant has always been regarded as a talented underachiever, perhaps he really has turned the corner. He's also on another 1 yr deal, which bodes well for motivation

- K. Winslow is still a threat, when healthy. Obviously, his health is a Big IF, but hell... all of fantasy football is speculation.

Even in an average to bad Offense, if he gets those touches, 1400/1500 total yds are certainly possible.

I haven't read any further but that is not a reason to like a guy IMO. Lot of guys get paid silly money and are not worth the actual dollars being spent on them. If every player played up to what they make, well the league would be a much better place...OK let me read the rest of this before I respond any further...OK, you talk about 250 carries for Ward and 50 catches...how many RBs do that on a yearly basis? I'm asking a question I have a decent idea about but just off hand...in 2008 only Forte, Slaton and LT(Yes that old man) posted 50 catches and 250+ carries. In 2007...LT, Westy, Portis(3 rec short), Gore...I could keep pulling them up but I am betting that most seasons only 3-5 RBs actually pass 50 catches and 250+ carries. You are really putting Ward in elite company and I just cannot follow that analysis. Please don't get mad, just stating facts, I like your positive thoughts but unfortuantely I try and deal in reality, not always popular in the world of fantasy.

OL: I agree there are some good blockers but again with no real QB they are at a disadvantage plus a murderous schedule.

Bryant and KW II...nobody to get them the ball which limits their imapct.

I hope you take this post as a positive...you haven't taken Ward. There are plenty of RBs with more upside around the time Ward comes off the board, in fact a couple round later their are Rbs I like even better. Good Luck, good post, look forward to more form you.

Oh, trust me, I don't see him as a sure thing, by any means. For the record, I do have him as a RB in a keeper league I am in, paired with ADP, and the format would allow me to grab a more safe RB2 should I want to. I know I sound overly positive about him, that's just because I've looked really hard at his situation. I point out the contracts because it shows, in my opinion, that TB has more faith in him than Graham. I think it also shows a situation where financially, it would make sense for TB to see if Ward can be a lead back (again, not bell cow, just leader of a RBBC), so they can get out of, or restructure, the Graham deal next year when it gets a bit more pricey.I only give the 250/50 numbers because I think barring a healthy Caddy, he's the most talented back in Tampa, and as I've stated, he's a very good receiver. The 50 catches should come pretty easy I think, the 250 carries will be a little tougher. Should he get them though, there is certainly potential there.

As far as RB's with more upside, I agree, from a talent stand-point. But from a situational stand-point, I think Ward is prime to give a couple solid years of Fantasy numbers, then fade off into oblivion.

*EDIT* As far as the Bradshaw/Ward comparison, I only point to the size to show that Bradshaw is by and large a 3rd down/COP back, due to his size. I agree with you though MOP, he'll put up some nice numbers spelling Jacobs and playing 3rd downs, should he lock this role up. Ward has the size to be a 3 down guy. As far as the injury history, I know, it scares me... but I also see it as a potential positive. Very little wear and tear on those legs. I'm just trying to point to the positives. I am by no means encouraging anyone to bank a season on Ward. I just see a potential gem, but like all players who we label as "potential" anything, there comes a lot of risk.

 

[Routilla]

If Garcia was still there I'd like him a lot more. I don't trust Leftwich or any of their other QBs.

 

[Bri]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter. You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

first two posts up-you don't think he's talented? Serious EBF?Ward is one of the most well rounded RBs in the NFL whether it's RB, FB, ST, 3rd down back role or the occasional goalline back role the guy has done everything a "back" can do and done it well.He is 29 and that's a concern but the mileage is low which ...well that's a whole 'nother theory.The Giants system with Tiki and Brandon is dramatically different and the comparison is almost comical. The lineman(some the same) went from fleet footed get out in front of Tiki types to road graders plowing a path for Brandon. Ward is a very big RB by NFL standards. No he's not enormous like Jacobs but this is a big back. If you keep in mind I'm not saying he's going all the way but solely to get a first down, I would put him up against ANY NFL RB as being the most difficult for a DB to stop after he catches a screen. He can bowl them over or go around them and if it's 3rd and 4, they really don't have much of a chance. Ward is not a "fancy RB" that will break off 80 yard runs and scoot all over the field making people miss. He's a chain mover though. I would guess Woodrow has him rated highest of all because he was a pain in the neck for his Eagles to bring down and Ward earned his respect.Cut as an undrafted free agent doesn't mean much as the opportunity to show coaches what you can do is so extremely limited. To hold it against anyone doesn't seem right.Big guy catching a screen or big guy up the middle. Neither McClain nor Brandon were the best backs in the NFL but they sure were successful as were their teams. Ward is a better receiver than those two, probably less of power runner but still plenty.

 

[EBF]

I don't know if Turner is a good comparison. He was productive at every opportunity and the only reason he didn't break out sooner is because he was stuck behind the best RB of his generation.Ward was cut outright by his first team and didn't receive a significant number of carries until his fourth season in the league. His YPC has been good, but how much of that is due to the system? NYG has had a monster running game dating back to Tiki. Every player who has logged significant carries during this period has performed well. Is Ward really a great player or is he just a decent talent who thrived in a friendly situation? I'm leaning towards the latter. You could do worse if you need a short term RB2 at a bargain bin price, but I don't think Ward will be a difference maker for FF teams this year and I don't think he'll last long enough as a starter to have significant dynasty value.

first two posts up-you don't think he's talented? Serious EBF?Ward is one of the most well rounded RBs in the NFL whether it's RB, FB, ST, 3rd down back role or the occasional goalline back role the guy has done everything a "back" can do and done it well.He is 29 and that's a concern but the mileage is low which ...well that's a whole 'nother theory.The Giants system with Tiki and Brandon is dramatically different and the comparison is almost comical. The lineman(some the same) went from fleet footed get out in front of Tiki types to road graders plowing a path for Brandon. Ward is a very big RB by NFL standards. No he's not enormous like Jacobs but this is a big back. If you keep in mind I'm not saying he's going all the way but solely to get a first down, I would put him up against ANY NFL RB as being the most difficult for a DB to stop after he catches a screen. He can bowl them over or go around them and if it's 3rd and 4, they really don't have much of a chance. Ward is not a "fancy RB" that will break off 80 yard runs and scoot all over the field making people miss. He's a chain mover though. I would guess Woodrow has him rated highest of all because he was a pain in the neck for his Eagles to bring down and Ward earned his respect.Cut as an undrafted free agent doesn't mean much as the opportunity to show coaches what you can do is so extremely limited. To hold it against anyone doesn't seem right.Big guy catching a screen or big guy up the middle. Neither McClain nor Brandon were the best backs in the NFL but they sure were successful as were their teams. Ward is a better receiver than those two, probably less of power runner but still plenty.

7th round pick. Cut by the team that drafted him. Hardly played a lick his first three seasons in the league. Only produced in a situation so friendly that my grandma could average 4.0+ YPC with his supporting cast.I don't think he's a special talent. His profile actually reads a lot like Earnest Graham's. Low draft pick who gradually worked his way up from the practice squad and got himself a decent payday. He may give you some stats for a year or two, but his days as a starter are numbered (if he even starts this season). I don't think people will be kicking themselves for passing on him.

 

[Jason Wood]

As TS Garp mentioned, I am the outlier right now and love him. For those that don't know, I build my projections first and let the ranks fall where they may, so I was actually surprised when I saw that my projections put Ward that high. But as I go back and look at them, I honestly don't think this situation is as puzzling as others are making it out to be. Solidifying my view is just how wrong the consensus was about Ward last year. At least half of the Sharks argued that Ahmad Bradshaw was the handcuff to Jacobs and that just baffled me. Ward is 29, yes, but he's really talented and when he's healthy is a beast. How many backs are capable of 1,000 yards rushing and 50+ receptions?

Obviously Ward's lack of TD production is an issue, but you have to consider that Brandon Jacobs is an elite short yardage option. Earnest Graham only had 4 TDs last year and I don't believe the Bucs would have aggressively targeted Ward [remember how quickly they moved to sign him] if they didn't view him as a major offensive weapon.

I may trend my ranking down a smidge if Graham is highly productive in camp and the coaches talk about a committee approach. But if I had a draft today, I would have trouble viewing Ward outside my Top 20, especially in a PPR.

 

[Bri]

7th round pick. Cut by the team that drafted him. Hardly played a lick his first three seasons in the league. Only produced in a situation so friendly that my grandma could average 4.0+ YPC with his supporting cast.I don't think he's a special talent. His profile actually reads a lot like Earnest Graham's. Low draft pick who gradually worked his way up from the practice squad and got himself a decent payday. He may give you some stats for a year or two, but his days as a starter are numbered (if he even starts this season). I don't think people will be kicking themselves for passing on him.

He averaged 5.6 ypc, 1.6 more than your grandma , and had 1000+ yards as a backup plus 41 receptions.what's with you? Is this a BMI thing?Since when are you against backups that run for a K and may become starters on a new team?

 

[QUEZILLA]

I'm really a big believer of a RB is as good as his O-line, so I don't buy much into him not being "that talented." And, I wouldn't be too quick to compare his stats playing for a different team.

If one of these guys gets hurt, the other could easily be a top 5 RB. It's still a full out RBBC, and Caddy could make it even more confusing by the end of the season. Most likely one will get hurt, as TB has been on it's 3rd RB for the last 3 seasons it seems.

Not much has changed from the situation last year between Dunn, and Graham imo. Full RBBC. You never know though, this new OC could favor one guy over the other.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Ward won't get enough touches to be a difference maker.Graham is good for at least 10 touches a game plus goal line carries which negated any value in the TB backfield unless one of Ward/Graham get injured.Fools gold.

That's more along the line of my thinking. Neither Ward or Graham are good enough to force the other to the bench. Both will probably tease with a good run or two in the game from week to week which skews the yardage and makes you think they may be gettng hot. But you won't be comfortable starting them because you hate to depend on them breaking a long one to have a positive impact on your bottom line.At this point I'd probably favor Graham over Ward just because I think it will take an injury to one to really give the other value so I'd rather pay less for that opportunity.As for their contract amounts, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The roster costs the same regardless of who gets the most carries, barring some performance bonuses we don't know about. The coach keeps his job based on wins, not making sure that carries are proportionally distributed according to contract prices.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I don't think he's a special talent. His profile actually reads a lot like Earnest Graham's.

That's what always puzzles me about this whole Ward vs. Graham debate. They are so similar. If one or the other had the job, I'd be tempted to take them later as my RB2 because I see a decent line in front of a strong back with decent hands. I think they are pretty interchangeable.

 

[Chase Stuart]

7th round pick. Cut by the team that drafted him. Hardly played a lick his first three seasons in the league. Only produced in a situation so friendly that my grandma could average 4.0+ YPC with his supporting cast.

Where does this come from? And I guess this means Reuben Droughns is worse than your grandma.Jacobs and Bradshaw have been great. But that's still just two guys. And it's certainly reasonable to say that Jacobs and Bradshaw are very talented. Why can't Ward be very talented?

 

[EBF]

Where does this come from? And I guess this means Reuben Droughns is worse than your grandma.

Droughns vs. my grandma is a coin flip. How did Reuben do in Cleveland? One decent season and then he was run out of town. I think that's about the best you can expect from Ward given his age and ability level.

Jacobs and Bradshaw have been great. But that's still just two guys. And it's certainly reasonable to say that Jacobs and Bradshaw are very talented. Why can't Ward be very talented?

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think it's naive to think contracts don't matter. They matter to the GM that tendered them and what matters to the GM matters to the rookie head coach.

Also, Ward has averaged a yard more a carry than Graham for their careers and is also better as a receiver. These are not equal talents we are talking about.

I don't expect Ward to get the same workload as a Michael Turner, but he is clearly the #1 back in TB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Where does this come from? And I guess this means Reuben Droughns is worse than your grandma.

Droughns vs. my grandma is a coin flip. How did Reuben do in Cleveland? One decent season and then he was run out of town. I think that's about the best you can expect from Ward given his age and ability level.

Jacobs and Bradshaw have been great. But that's still just two guys. And it's certainly reasonable to say that Jacobs and Bradshaw are very talented. Why can't Ward be very talented?

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/h...c&display=sThere aren't exactly a lot of guys who have done what Ward's done; I'm not sure why you think he's a typical case. Excluding active guys, there have been three guys in the last 20 years to have 200-500 carries and over a 4.7 YPC through age 28 -- Onterrio Smith, Brian Mitchell and Warren Williams. None are great comparisons. Among active guys, I'm not sure we can say he's not as good as Norwood or Washington.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't think he's a special talent. His profile actually reads a lot like Earnest Graham's.

That's what always puzzles me about this whole Ward vs. Graham debate. They are so similar. If one or the other had the job, I'd be tempted to take them later as my RB2 because I see a decent line in front of a strong back with decent hands. I think they are pretty interchangeable.

How are they similar? Aside from both playing the RB position and both (currently) calling Tampa Bay home?

 

[runner06]

He definitely sticks out as a potential steal in redraft leagues. Here's what I don't like:

- He's not that talented. He's already 29 years old (by opening day) and he's only now getting his first real shot at a starting role. If he was really a standout player, I think he would've emerged by now. I'm not convinced that he's an upgrade over Graham. A healthy Caddy (lol) might be better than both.

It took Graham a while to emerge, and he is pretty good. He doesn't have top end speed, but that hasn't stopped him from busting off huge runs. He can also catch very well.I think Ward is more of a change of pace back, but it will still probably be a full RBBC.

And yes, I think a "healthy" Caddy is better than both guys. He tore it up in the Oak. game. We have the luxury of not having to rush him back, even though it was a different leg.

- The Buccaneers look like a potential trainwreck. Unless Leftwich plays well and keeps this team in the playoff hunt, we could see Josh Freeman in the starting lineup this season. Either way, I don't have a good feeling about the Bucs in 2009. Winslow and Bryant might make things interesting, but this looks like a very mediocre team in a tough division. I think it's going to be a long year for them.

Basically, Ward looks like an obvious steal candidate on the surface, but he might be the next Stacy Mack. I'm pretty lukewarm on his outlook.

The Bucs will surprise people this season. Personnel wise, we lost Brooks, Buchanon, and June. Buchanon is the one i am concerned about, but Brooks & June still haven't been signed. That leads me to believe the team made the right decision. Not as worried about QB as others, because this is going to be an obvious run 1st team. On offense not much has changed, except adding more weapons.

I'm more concerned about new coaches, and schemes.

Cato June got signed by Houston a while ago. I don't think he signed for much money (compared to other NFL contracts) though.

 

[-baller]

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

I've seen that bit about the 7th round, undrafted, etc thrown around in here a few times like that means the guy's hopeless.do you really think the nfl's made up entirely of first round picks?

dude --- are you really going to tell me there aren't any successful players who didn't make, say, the first 4 or 5 rounds?

the draft is the start -- not the end.

if he's really the player you're describing him as, the cheapass bucs just paid him about 8x too much.

isn't it possible he's just been buried on the depth chart in ny?

edit: I was just checkin' his wiki....wtf

Derrick is currently dating Khloe Kardashian

 

[QUEZILLA]

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

I've seen that bit about the 7th round, undrafted, etc thrown around in here a few times like that means the guy's hopeless.do you really think the nfl's made up entirely of first round picks?

dude --- are you really going to tell me there aren't any successful players who didn't make, say, the first 4 or 5 rounds?

the draft is the start -- not the end.

if he's really the player you're describing him as, the cheapass bucs just paid him about 8x too much.

isn't it possible he's just been buried on the depth chart in ny?

edit: I was just checkin' his wiki....wtf

Derrick is currently dating Khloe Kardashian

Some of these late round guys just need an opportunity. I think it's safe to say EG is very talented. He catches the ball very well, can block, and has good balance. He doesn't have the break away speed that some of these top RBs do, but speed isn't everything. He's very versatile, and would have had much better numbers last year if Dunn wasn't there. Not to mention, he played FB for about 3 games. Gruden kind of had a hard on for Dunn as well, since he was one of "his guys."

 

[Bri]

Where does this come from? And I guess this means Reuben Droughns is worse than your grandma.

Droughns vs. my grandma is a coin flip. How did Reuben do in Cleveland? One decent season and then he was run out of town. I think that's about the best you can expect from Ward given his age and ability level.

Jacobs and Bradshaw have been great. But that's still just two guys. And it's certainly reasonable to say that Jacobs and Bradshaw are very talented. Why can't Ward be very talented?

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

what are your thoughts on Colston and Housh? Stinkers because they're 7th rounders still somehow in your mind?You use "ability level" as if it's a negative. His "ability level" has been stated as 1000 yards as a backup. Feel free to list other 1000 yard backups in the NFL last year

 

[Mene]

I think it's naive to think contracts don't matter. They matter to the GM that tendered them and what matters to the GM matters to the rookie head coach. Also, Ward has averaged a yard more a carry than Graham for their careers and is also better as a receiver. These are not equal talents we are talking about. I don't expect Ward to get the same workload as a Michael Turner, but he is clearly the #1 back in TB.

It's not just the difference in the value of the contracts, it's the structure. There is a lot said in that. Graham has a deal with no guaranteed money, and back-loaded heavily... a recipe for a forced re-negotiation or him being cut. Ward's deal is front-loaded, indicating they plan on getting something out of him early. Ignore that if you want, but barring Graham going above and beyond what he has been thus far in the NFL, it sounds like someone in Tampa views Ward as the #1 back.As far as Ward's history, there are multiple factors here. He has been injury prone, which has limited his overall numbers. He also has been jammed up in NY, where they have had Barber, then Jacobs... both pretty uniquely talented guys. I wonder how many people said the same things about Ryan Grant in 2007, considering he came from the same NYG situation. He was un-drafted, stuck behind a bunch of talented backs, and seemed injury prone... but once he got his shot, he has produced. Obviously, not the same situation as Ward, as Ward is a bit more established than Grant was in 2007... but still, the negatives I'm hearing pointed out about Ward are the same ones that could have been made about Grant.It's all speculation at this point, but to ignore the obvious indicators that Ward is in a good situation to become a solid producer, is kinda foolish. If the Buc's thought Graham was the answer, I doubt they would have made Ward such an immediate priority, and paid him the way they did.

 

[gonzobill5]

Is it fair to say that Michael Turner, DeAngelo Williams, Pierre Thomas, Reggie Bush, Earnest Graham, and even Warrick Dunn greatly exceeded expectations when they were healthy?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Where does this come from? And I guess this means Reuben Droughns is worse than your grandma.

Droughns vs. my grandma is a coin flip. How did Reuben do in Cleveland? One decent season and then he was run out of town. I think that's about the best you can expect from Ward given his age and ability level.

Jacobs and Bradshaw have been great. But that's still just two guys. And it's certainly reasonable to say that Jacobs and Bradshaw are very talented. Why can't Ward be very talented?

If you want to believe that a 7th round pick who has never been a starter in his 5 year career is "very talented" then I won't stop you. I think Ward is the classic case of a decent player who cashed in on a favorable situation. He's your typical stopgap journeyman placeholder who keeps a seat warm until his team finds a better alternative. Considering that the Bucs already have a guy like that on the roster (Graham), I think it's hard to get excited about Ward. He has the potential to be a serviceable RB2 in redraft leagues this season. Anything beyond that would be overly optimistic IMO.

what are your thoughts on Colston and Housh? Stinkers because they're 7th rounders still somehow in your mind?You use "ability level" as if it's a negative. His "ability level" has been stated as 1000 yards as a backup. Feel free to list other 1000 yard backups in the NFL last year

Hopefully you can why those examples aren't particularly helpful, especially against the backdrop of "7th round pick who has never been a stater in his 5 year career".Last I checked, both Colston and Housh started games before season 6 of their NFL careers.

 

[-baller]

michael turner was a 5th rounder who sat behind tomlinson for 4 years ---- does he suck?

deangelo williams sat behind foster --- can we infer that first rounders are worthless?

sitting behind established players /= sucking

low rounders and udfa /= sucking

how much money did they just pay to a guy who they apparently could have replaced in the 6th round of the draft this year?

 

[Biabreakable]

IIRC Ward was injured coming in to the league and that may have affected his draft position.

Once in the NFL he definitly was injured. I had him on a roster and held him for a couple years mostly on IR before letting him go.

Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb 2004 24 NYG 5 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 1 2005 25 NYG 14 0 35 123 0 12 3.5 8.8 2.5 2 13 6.5 0 8 0.1 0.9 136 0 0 2006 26 NYG 8 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 1 2007 27 NYG rb 8 5 125 602 3 44 4.8 75.3 15.6 26 179 6.9 1 17 3.3 22.4 781 4 2 2008 28 NYG rb 16 3 182 1025 2 51 5.6 64.1 11.4 41 384 9.4 0 48 2.6 24.0 1409 2 2 Career 51 8 342 1750 5 51 5.1 34.3 6.7 69 576 8.3 1 48 1.4 11.3 2326 6 6Ward averaged 4.8 ypc on 125 carries in 2007 then 5.6 ypc on 182 carries in 2008. Not bad for a talentless hack.Throwing this guy under the bus because he was injured and down the depth chart for his 1st 3 years in the league is pretty harsh when he has performed so well once given some opportunity.

I can see downgrading Ward for the RBBC uncertainty and possibly suspect passing game but I don't think it is an issue of talent.

 

[Routilla]

I think most would agree that Ward has what it takes to produce in a decent offense. What I am a little surprised about is the lack of discussion about the QB position. With Garcia, TB ran an efficient though unspectacular offense. Move the chains. I don't see Leftwich or any of the other QBs making enough good decisions to drive the ball down the field. I was excited about drafting Ward until Garcia left. I will have to pass on Ward based on his current ADP.