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Let's Talk Penn State Football (3 Viewers)

Another epic collapse. 

Franklin has gone as far as he can with the program. He can't win the big regular season games.

 
We ahould drop. Losing at home to Ohio St. without Bosa is inexcusable, really. That playcall was inexcusable, too. Shame for McSorley's final season to have this blemish.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
The #### was that???
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LOL. That may be one of the worst we need this 4th down or we lose play calls that I've ever seen. A RB who not only has your only turnover, but also averaged 2.7 ypc is who you turn to on 4th and 5? I feel bad for Penn State fans because that would have been tough to watch all the futile attempts to tackle people and then watch a great first down and then that last play.

 
The only explanation I can come up with is that Franklin didn't know it was 4th down. Might make Franklin look worse, but at least it's an explanation for the play call. Outside of that, I'm grasping.

Did he make any comments after the game?

 
Post game presser was pretty good, I guess. Doesn't make me feel any better, but I don't think I feel any worse, either.

He's right, we are a great program, but not an elite one, and if you're comfortable being great, you'll never reach the next level Remains to be seen if they're capable of putting actions to words. I'd love to see it.

 
nittanylion said:
Post game presser was pretty good, I guess. Doesn't make me feel any better, but I don't think I feel any worse, either.

He's right, we are a great program, but not an elite one, and if you're comfortable being great, you'll never reach the next level Remains to be seen if they're capable of putting actions to words. I'd love to see it.
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Sounds like complete BS.

List the "elite programs" please.  Penn State should have won tonight, they didn't because of bad coaching and poor execution.  I'll answer yours....

 
I'm over Franklin. I can't remember the last time I was this pissed after a loss. He completely wasted an absolutely incredible effort by those kids.  He let his ego get in the way when he chose not to kick that field goal. And then he buckled when he called whatever the hell that was at the end. The best player on your team, a Heisman candidate quarterback who has accounted for over 400 yards of offense, has been making terrific decisions all night and that's the play you call.

He wants to run up the score on a team like Pitt then brag about owning the state, but you put him in a big-time game and he can't handle the pressure.

I feel bad for those kids.  They played hard and they played great.  Really great.

 
Eh, I liked the press conference. He owned the bad calls and execution and then made some good points. I feel like we're right behind the "elite" programs, which I would call Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State. Georgia and Oklahoma are close as well. We're a level below that, which is still good for being top 5-7 every year. But we want to be better and be top 1-4 every year. So we have to execute better in every single thing, whether it's tackling, play calling, going to class, whatever. Made sense to me. 

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
I'm over Franklin. I can't remember the last time I was this pissed after a loss. He completely wasted an absolutely incredible effort by those kids.  He let his ego get in the way when he chose not to kick that field goal. And then he buckled when he called whatever the hell that was at the end. The best player on your team, a Heisman candidate quarterback who has accounted for over 400 yards of offense, has been making terrific decisions all night and that's the play you call.

He wants to run up the score on a team like Pitt then brag about owning the state, but you put him in a big-time game and he can't handle the pressure.

I feel bad for those kids.  They played hard and they played great.  Really great.
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Well the defense could have maybe tackled in the 4th quarter. That would have solved a lot of the problems. 

Franklin is what he is now. He'll get this team to 10+ wins every year but we'll have those 1 or 2 losses that keep us out of the playoff. I don't know what he'll do next year when Trace moves on. 

 
I'm over it. The season goes on. We could possibly run the table and have a shot at the playoff if our only loss is a 1pter to an undefeated OSU. But then we wouldn't be winning the B10. 

 
For those of you who weren’t there, the halftime show was an absolute abomination that words cannot adequately describe.

Someone thought it would be a good idea to have people singing songs from musicals and then mix it so poorly and loudly that you literally could not hear the Blue Band over the wretched vocals.

Prior to last night, I never imagined a halftime show could possibly be worse that the 1990 Blockbuster Bowl which had Fred Travalena  and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles co-headlining.

I stand corrected.  About half the people in my section (including the ushers) were doing their best to cover their ears and block out the horrid sound.

Part of me thinks that the horrible 4th and 5 call to end the game was due to miscommunication due to the deafening impact of the halftime show

 
Tin Cup said:
I stand corrected.  About half the people in my section (including the ushers) were doing their best to cover their ears and block out the horrid sound.




 
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With the exception of band parents and ex-band geeks - this is what almost everyone does during halftime shows.  

 
Tin Cup said:
I stand corrected.  About half the people in my section (including the ushers) were doing their best to cover their ears and block out the horrid sound.
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Take it to the Band Geek thread, Harold Hill. 

 
For the 2nd year in a row, we were the better team and lost. Everyone is focusing on the Franklin call (which definitely was bad) but the Sanders fumble right before half was the play that changed the whole complexion of the game. Gotta win out and hope for the best. 

 
Doctor Detroit said:
List the "elite programs" please.  Penn State should have won tonight, they didn't because of bad coaching and poor execution.  I'll answer yours....
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:goodposting:

Can we just have Franklin recruit and put game time coaching decisions in the hands of someone more capable?  

 
E-Z Glider said:
For the 2nd year in a row, we were the better team and lost. Everyone is focusing on the Franklin call (which definitely was bad) but the Sanders fumble right before half was the play that changed the whole complexion of the game. Gotta win out and hope for the best. 
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Sure, the coaches made some questionable decisions (not going for a FG, running on the  4th and 5), but these same coaches put these players in a position to win against one of the best teams in the country.

We put up 500 yards of offense.  There should have been more points to go along with that.  The coaches didn't drop all those passes.  The coaches didn't fumble the ball at a particularly inopportune time and place. 

In fact, that fumble resulted in the first sort of bubble screen they scored on at the end of the first half which turned them on to something that killed us in the 2nd half.  If that fumble doesn't happen, maybe they never stumble on that crack in our defense.

Anyway, disappointing to again lose a game by falling apart in the 4th quarter of a contest we were controlling.  Hopefully, we learn how to NOT do that.

 
Allright… so… I kind of had a different reaction to this whole game.  One of the things I was thinking after the game is “let the Tommy Stevens era begin”.  Now, I know it won’t really be an era because he only has 1 year of eligibility left (I think?) but I am excited to see what he, or any of the other QB’s on the roster, can do moving forward.  I think the team will get better.

So Trace McSorley… he is a gamer.  He is gritty.  He is tough.  He wins.  But I swear, I just don’t think he is a good thrower.  When the ball comes out of his hands it always kind of seems like a properly placed, and properly timed ‘floater’ of some sort.  I often wince when the ball comes out of his hands.  I always worry it is going to be picked off.  It’s not like a bullet arm.  Trace ranks extremely high in leadership, toughness, decision making, and running.  I think he ranks average in throwing.  I want to see the offense run by someone that can throw better.  And I realize maybe Tommy Stevens might not throw a whole lot better compared to Trace, but he is bigger at 6’ 5” compare to Trace at 6’ even.

So here’s the way I see it.  Trace McSorley just took PSU to the highest level that he can.  He beat OSU 1 time, and lost 2 other times.  Extremely close to having a chance at a national title, but not quite there.  Which is amazing in my mind, because when you think about it Trace was recruited by most schools as a safety.  It was James Franklin at Vanderbilt that recruited him as a QB.  It was Franklin that brought him along to PSU as a QB.  The pair have done amazing things together for this program taking them through the final years of difficult sanctions.  McSorley won many games with PSU practically with sheer will, but hasn’t really won with his arm.

Franklin has recruited multiple QB’s that were rated much higher than McSorley since he has been HC.  It’s obvious that Franklin has no problem playing a freshman if he feels they are ready.  So why not move on to a new QB after giving Trace a year or two?  I think it’s because he knows that he owes Trace for coming to PSU and helping take the program to amazing new levels.  I look at it as loyalty.  And that is why I still like Franklin despite some questionable calls. 

So… I think Franklin is awesome, I think McSorley is awesome, and I think the program reached its full potential with McSorley at the helm.  At the same time, I think McSorley is somewhat limited with his skill set.  I want to see a QB that is 6’5”, can see over defenders, can throw over defenders, and can deliver a strong accurate throw to a  6’ 5” WR like Juwan Johnson.   Hopefully Johnson can catch it… but that’s a whole other story.

I absolutely love the McSorley era.  It is, and has been a wild ride, and someday I will miss it.  At the same time, I am just as excited to see the next chapter in PSU football.  There is news that PSU just landed two 4 start QB recruits in the 2019 class.  Anyone ever think that was possible 5 years ago?  This Saturday night may have been difficult to process… but I can’t wait to see what the future holds.

 
Let's not have a repeat of the MSU let down from last year. Go out and stomp them today and continue on with the schedule.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Watching OSU last week and again this week is frustrating.  Penn State is a better team.
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Watching today’s game, I was just thinking, “how did we beat Penn State?” 

These last two weeks have been awful and we are not long for the undefeated few. The worst group of LBers I have ever seen at OSU in my 40+ years of being a fan. 

 
I have no confidence that we win this game. We might do it but I won't believe it til it's over.

 
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