Lets talk Pierre Thomas for next season (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.

With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RB

I put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.

Thoughts?

 

[Brewzers]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RBI put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.Thoughts?

I think thats a reasonable hope. He certainly hasn't done anything on the field to suggest he isn't capable. I think the Saints will bring in another back, either a rookie or vet and Pierre will have to compete. It won't be handed to him.

 

[Breesisdaman]

A lot of his value has to do with Sean Payton. Has the head coach really learned his lesson regarding the run or is he going to go back to being Mike Martz the 2nd. I reserve my judgement for now and watch the play calling in the next few games.

 

[PosterNutBag]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RBI put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.Thoughts?

I think thats a reasonable hope. He certainly hasn't done anything on the field to suggest he isn't capable. I think the Saints will bring in another back, either a rookie or vet and Pierre will have to compete. It won't be handed to him.

I agree. Thomas clearly has the inside track, but if there is a "Le'Ron McClain type" of back brought in then I wouldn't be so confident in Thomas getting the goalline work.

 

[Da Guru]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RBI put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.Thoughts?

I think thats a reasonable hope. He certainly hasn't done anything on the field to suggest he isn't capable. I think the Saints will bring in another back, either a rookie or vet and Pierre will have to compete. It won't be handed to him.

I agree. Thomas clearly has the inside track, but if there is a "Le'Ron McClain type" of back brought in then I wouldn't be so confident in Thomas getting the goalline work.

Thomas has proven to be a tough short yardage runner, he bowled over two Falcons to get the first down that sealed the game yesterday.Watching McClain last night it seemed that Lorenzo Neil was the key to McLains running.

 

[PosterNutBag]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RBI put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.Thoughts?

I think thats a reasonable hope. He certainly hasn't done anything on the field to suggest he isn't capable. I think the Saints will bring in another back, either a rookie or vet and Pierre will have to compete. It won't be handed to him.

I agree. Thomas clearly has the inside track, but if there is a "Le'Ron McClain type" of back brought in then I wouldn't be so confident in Thomas getting the goalline work.

Thomas has proven to be a tough short yardage runner, he bowled over two Falcons to get the first down that sealed the game yesterday.Watching McClain last night it seemed that Lorenzo Neil was the key to McLains running.

I am not saying Thomas is not capable, I am just saying that in an effort to save both Thomas/Bush from the wear and tear of goalline work, they could get another back to throw in the mix.And if you haven't seen McClain much except for last night, you wouldn't be giving Neal the credit. Neal is solid indeed...no argument there. McClain is all about leverage. He is the ideal runner for getting a tough 2-3 yards b/c you need an army of players to bring him down. Several of his goalline scores this year have him being met head on by one or two players and resulting in McClain out leveraging them and falling into the endzone for the extra yard.In conclusion, you are probably right in the end, but we need to see what other type of personnel is brought in before knowing for sure if Thomas is the goalline guy.

 

[Mikey16x]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.With Brees and the Saints potent attack Thomas could thrive getting 12-16 carries a game and a couple of catches or about the same load Brandon Jacobs gets with the Giants. I see no reason Thomas could not be a 1200 total yard and 10 TD RBI put Thomas in the same bracket as Jacobs next year since both will always be sharing the ball with other backs, but both should get the bulk of the goalline work.Thoughts?

I think thats a reasonable hope. He certainly hasn't done anything on the field to suggest he isn't capable. I think the Saints will bring in another back, either a rookie or vet and Pierre will have to compete. It won't be handed to him.

I agree. Thomas clearly has the inside track, but if there is a "Le'Ron McClain type" of back brought in then I wouldn't be so confident in Thomas getting the goalline work.

Thomas has proven to be a tough short yardage runner, he bowled over two Falcons to get the first down that sealed the game yesterday.Watching McClain last night it seemed that Lorenzo Neil was the key to McLains running.

After watching Lorenzo I really feel like he was 1/2 the reason for L.T success. Not saying L.T isn't great, but man this guy is some fullback. It's very rare that you can watch a game and actually watch the fullback for a couple of series. This guy finds somebody and hits them in the mouth, EVERY PLAY. If I was a RB in the NFL i'd beg my coach to hire him, regardless of age.

 

[EBF]

He looks good. I don't see any reason why he can't take over the Deuce role and put up solid RB2-RB3 numbers next season. In the long run I think there's a reasonable chance of him getting a starting job somewhere. He has burst, power, and versatility. Really a nice find by the Saints off the scrap heap.

 

[supermark_28]

Anybody have any idea on what kind of contract the Saints have him signed to?

 

[Weiner Dog]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.

This past week, Bush had 106 total scrimmage yards while Thomas had 109. In fact, Bush has had more total scrimmage yards in ALL of the 19 games they have played together over the past two seasons, with the exception of this past week and Week 13 (...when Bush was returning from surgery and was limited to 3 rushes).I honestly think you're chasing the wrong Saints RB. Thomas will be closer to a Ward/Bradshaw hybrid than Jacobs in '09. Serviceable...but not Top-20 material.

 

[theprince]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.

This past week, Bush had 106 total scrimmage yards while Thomas had 109. In fact, Bush has had more total scrimmage yards in ALL of the 19 games they have played together over the past two seasons, with the exception of this past week and Week 13 (...when Bush was returning from surgery and was limited to 3 rushes).I honestly think you're chasing the wrong Saints RB. Thomas will be closer to a Ward/Bradshaw hybrid than Jacobs in '09. Serviceable...but not Top-20 material.

 

[loose circuits]

Anybody have any idea on what kind of contract the Saints have him signed to?

he makes 460k next year, and is a RFA in 2010...2 years is a long time to wait, but his spot is safe on my dynasty team

 

[Da Guru]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.

This past week, Bush had 106 total scrimmage yards while Thomas had 109. In fact, Bush has had more total scrimmage yards in ALL of the 19 games they have played together over the past two seasons, with the exception of this past week and Week 13 (...when Bush was returning from surgery and was limited to 3 rushes).I honestly think you're chasing the wrong Saints RB. Thomas will be closer to a Ward/Bradshaw hybrid than Jacobs in '09. Serviceable...but not Top-20 material.

Thomas did have two TDs though. You saw what happened when they tried to run Bush on the two point conversion.

 

[packersfan]

This will be the Deuces last year in the Big Easy and Reggie Bush is Reggie Bush. Reggie will get some big returns and catch some passes but when the going gets tough like yesterday they relied on Pierre Thomas to carry the load.

This past week, Bush had 106 total scrimmage yards while Thomas had 109. In fact, Bush has had more total scrimmage yards in ALL of the 19 games they have played together over the past two seasons, with the exception of this past week and Week 13 (...when Bush was returning from surgery and was limited to 3 rushes).I honestly think you're chasing the wrong Saints RB. Thomas will be closer to a Ward/Bradshaw hybrid than Jacobs in '09. Serviceable...but not Top-20 material.

Thomas did have two TDs though. You saw what happened when they tried to run Bush on the two point conversion.

And Deuce on his one short-yardage carry. That play in particular made no sense. You had Thomas busting off 8 and 10 yards a pop so they bring in the washed up vet to try a third-and-one. Horrible coaching there by Payton. Back to Thomas, I could see him matching the production Deuce put up in 2006 when he was playing in tandem with Bush. Deuce was RB13 that season. Thomas has shown he can excel as both a runner and receiver and he has a nose for the end zone. If he remains the top RB working alongside Bush I think he has strong Top 20 potential for next year.

 

[supermark_28]

Anybody have any idea on what kind of contract the Saints have him signed to?

he makes 460k next year, and is a RFA in 2010...2 years is a long time to wait, but his spot is safe on my dynasty team

Thanks loose..

 

[loose circuits]

Thomas is the best pure RB on that team. I think the Saints would be better off having Reggie return both kicks and punts. handle the 3rd down duties, and work out of the slot. Not sure if this will ever come to fruition, but it makes a lot more sense to me. Why would you have Pierre return kicks.

 

[bluesclues]

Pierre Thomas reminds me of MJD.

He catches the ball well and explodes when he gets it.

He also is a tough runner with low centre of gravity.

I think his value will all depend on what Payton thinks of him going into next year.

This team has lots of holes still and I think RB is one of the least of the draft concerns.

 

[Da Guru]

Mark my words.. "The Flying Frenchman" will be a top 6-10 RB next year.

 

[Garts]

Pierre Thomas reminds me of MJD.He catches the ball well and explodes when he gets it.He also is a tough runner with low centre of gravity.I think his value will all depend on what Payton thinks of him going into next year.This team has lots of holes still and I think RB is one of the least of the draft concerns.

He reminds me of Tiki Barber.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

its only the 3rd quarter and he has 18 fantasy points so far(ppr)

CORRECTION...HES GOT 29 !!!!! thanks to that 42yard td run as i was typing this...hahahaha

 

[puckalicious]

add in a 42 yard TD run. so happy i started him!!!

 

[SproutDaddy]

As a Saints fan all I can say is that he is going to fill in nicely as Deuce's replacement.

 

[puckalicious]

Anybody have any idea on what kind of contract the Saints have him signed to?

he makes 460k next year, and is a RFA in 2010...2 years is a long time to wait, but his spot is safe on my dynasty team

If the Saints are smart they'll extend him and lock him up before next season starts and keep him happy. I see top-10 potential next year.

 

[bcr8f]

As a Saints fan all I can say is that he is going to fill in nicely as Deuce's replacement.

He sure is. If they can find a way to use Bush and keep healthy look out.

 

[rockalum]

this guy could be something special fantasy-wise. he runs hard and catches the ball out of the backfield well. i like the comparison to tiki barber. the saints will have a dymanic 1-2 punch with thomas and bush next year. i just hope the saints continue to use him properly.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Pierre started getting the ball in earnest in week 11. Since then here are the numbers in 5 games:

80 carries: 398 yards, 5 TDs

16 receptions: 210 yards 3 TDs

So the totals are: 96 touches, 608 yards 8 TDs in 5 games. or 121.6 yards per game and 1.6 TDs per game.

Thats 1945 yards and 25 TDs over a 16 game season.

I know we can't say he'd do that over a whole season, but its a very impressive 5 game stretch.

 

[puckalicious]

Pierre started getting the ball in earnest in week 11. Since then here are the numbers in 5 games:80 carries: 398 yards, 5 TDs16 receptions: 210 yards 3 TDsSo the totals are: 96 touches, 608 yards 8 TDs in 5 games. or 121.6 yards per game and 1.6 TDs per game.Thats 1945 yards and 25 TDs over a 16 game season.I know we can't say he'd do that over a whole season, but its a very impressive 5 game stretch.

Just wait till next week....

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

Assuming it's the Thomas-Bush show next year (or the Bush-Thomas show, if you will), I think Thomas' big value lies in the chances of Bush missing several games. I think that's when Thomas' numbers will skyrocket and fantasy owners' heads will explode.

 

[Tanner9919]

PT is for real, he'll likely be a top fantasy draft pick next season, easily 1st or second round potential !

Deuce will be gone. Bush and PT form a nice combo!

 

[Loopdog]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

 

[Da Guru]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Reggie is like Leon Washington or Josh Cribbs, except Leon has more power. Thomas appears to be the total package.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Don't forget that he kept Mendenhall on the bench at Illinois.

 

[BigJim®]

PT is for real, he'll likely be a top fantasy draft pick next season, easily 1st or second round potential !Deuce will be gone. Bush and PT form a nice combo!

Hmmm... I'm skeptical that Pierre will be given consideration as a 1st/2nd round redraft player at any point while Reggie Bush is in the picture. This situation reminds me a lot of the Barber/JJ situation where Barber was given afterthought treatment, despite production, being behind the presumed franchise RB. JJ was such a dazzling runner at times, and projecting Barber to supplant him was obscured by JJ's potential. Another similarity: Barber in his college days took significant PT from a widely renowned blue chip understudy (Lawrence Maroney) and it just took a couple years for people to figure out why. In any event, for 2009 redrafts, I suspect both of these guys get drafted in the 4th-5th round next year.

 

[fruity pebbles]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

 

[Jon_Moore]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

Yup. Pretty sure people missed Bush before the injury. I think Thomas can be a top 20 back next year, but Bush was #1 by a decent margin in my league when he went down. All aboard the buy low train!

 

[stbugs]

Don't forget that he kept Mendenhall on the bench at Illinois.

And don't forget to figure out how to do waiver wire transactions! Damn Jerome Harrison. He had to be first alphabetically, didn't he. I wanted Thomas more and boy would he have been a nice start this week and last. No way I would have played Morris or Hightower over him.

 

[gianmarco]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

 

[puckalicious]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

 

[Die]

Je l'aime vraiment beaucoup. Il a couru comme un fou.

 

[Da Guru]

Je l'aime vraiment beaucoup. Il a couru comme un fou.

The love Pierre in the French Quarter!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Don't forget that he kept Mendenhall on the bench at Illinois.

And don't forget to figure out how to do waiver wire transactions! Damn Jerome Harrison. He had to be first alphabetically, didn't he. I wanted Thomas more and boy would he have been a nice start this week and last. No way I would have played Morris or Hightower over him. <_<

I can't do them for you.

 

[saintfool]

i think thomas will assume the primary RB responsibilities for the saints. reggie will still get his 20 or so touches but they'll be divided between special teams, pass catching and change of pace. as good as pierre is, he has shown limitations in short yardage. he struggled with conversions early in the year at some critical times. he showed it last night with the 4th down where he was stuffed. they need a bruiser who can be hit and still get yardage. deuce won't be with the team next year in all likelihood. i don't expect the Bettis-type to be a goal-line specialist but simply someone who can be counted on to moved the chains in that kind of scenario.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

i think thomas will assume the primary RB responsibilities for the saints. reggie will still get his 20 or so touches but they'll be divided between special teams, pass catching and change of pace. as good as pierre is, he has shown limitations in short yardage. he struggled with conversions early in the year at some critical times. he showed it last night with the 4th down where he was stuffed. they need a bruiser who can be hit and still get yardage. deuce won't be with the team next year in all likelihood. i don't expect the Bettis-type to be a goal-line specialist but simply someone who can be counted on to moved the chains in that kind of scenario.

Until someone discovers a runningback who can literally take flight, there isn't a running back on earth who would've converted that playcall against that defense on 4th down last night. Can hardly pin it on Pierre when his coach calls a sweep on 4th and 1 against a speedy sideline-to-sideline defense, and his OL gets destroyed at the point of attack.

 

[identikit]

i think thomas will assume the primary RB responsibilities for the saints. reggie will still get his 20 or so touches but they'll be divided between special teams, pass catching and change of pace. as good as pierre is, he has shown limitations in short yardage. he struggled with conversions early in the year at some critical times. he showed it last night with the 4th down where he was stuffed. they need a bruiser who can be hit and still get yardage. deuce won't be with the team next year in all likelihood. i don't expect the Bettis-type to be a goal-line specialist but simply someone who can be counted on to moved the chains in that kind of scenario.

Until someone discovers a runningback who can literally take flight, there isn't a running back on earth who would've converted that playcall against that defense on 4th down last night. Can hardly pin it on Pierre when his coach calls a sweep on 4th and 1 against a speedy sideline-to-sideline defense, and his OL gets destroyed at the point of attack.

Not Pierre's fault at all....

 

[fruity pebbles]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

 

[gianmarco]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

You should look into getting the NFLN if possible so you can watch some of the games. If you watched the game last night, he looked fantastic against a very aggressive run defense. P. Thomas was making something out of nothing on every play. Also, he wasn't held to 2 ypc all game. The 4th qtr was when his #'s really took a hit as he only had 3 yds on 7 carries. Before that, he was picking up 4+ yds on several of his runs.

 

[fruity pebbles]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

You should look into getting the NFLN if possible so you can watch some of the games. If you watched the game last night, he looked fantastic against a very aggressive run defense. P. Thomas was making something out of nothing on every play. Also, he wasn't held to 2 ypc all game. The 4th qtr was when his #'s really took a hit as he only had 3 yds on 7 carries. Before that, he was picking up 4+ yds on several of his runs.

I watched the game. He looked OK not great. He had 4 runs over 4 yards. Other 18 were 4 yards or less. His good games came against KC, GB and Atlanta. Reggie had over 8 YPC against Atlanta. He's a decent back but people are ready to annoint him as some kind of great runner. He's not.

 

[BigJim®]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

You should look into getting the NFLN if possible so you can watch some of the games. If you watched the game last night, he looked fantastic against a very aggressive run defense. P. Thomas was making something out of nothing on every play. Also, he wasn't held to 2 ypc all game. The 4th qtr was when his #'s really took a hit as he only had 3 yds on 7 carries. Before that, he was picking up 4+ yds on several of his runs.

I watched the game. He looked OK not great. He had 4 runs over 4 yards. Other 18 were 4 yards or less. His good games came against KC, GB and Atlanta. Reggie had over 8 YPC against Atlanta. He's a decent back but people are ready to annoint him as some kind of great runner. He's not.

I think you're quibbling here. The announcers mentioned several times how Pierre's running compared favorably to Bush dancing around. Also, why focus on his running? Pierre primarily stood out to me because he was consistently involved both in the run and passing game. That's huge. Seemed like he was consistently getting 4-8 yards for the team and putting them in great 2nd/3rd down situations. On his running, he seemed to make the most of what the defense was giving.

 

[djmich]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

You should look into getting the NFLN if possible so you can watch some of the games. If you watched the game last night, he looked fantastic against a very aggressive run defense. P. Thomas was making something out of nothing on every play. Also, he wasn't held to 2 ypc all game. The 4th qtr was when his #'s really took a hit as he only had 3 yds on 7 carries. Before that, he was picking up 4+ yds on several of his runs.

I watched the game. He looked OK not great. He had 4 runs over 4 yards. Other 18 were 4 yards or less. His good games came against KC, GB and Atlanta. Reggie had over 8 YPC against Atlanta. He's a decent back but people are ready to annoint him as some kind of great runner. He's not.

I think the reality is somewhere in the middle. Thomas has done well, and plays on a great offense. He is going to have very good value for as long as that is the case. Similar to Ryan Grant last year. Good back on a good offense, but not necessarily a great RB. I would also expect that Bush will get more carries once he is healthy, and Thomas is going to regress a bit in the YPC and TD categories.He will be a valuable #2 when Bush plays, and a #1 when he doesn't.

 

[fruity pebbles]

To me, Thomas is what Bush was supposed to be coming out of USC. A great recieving back who can hit the homerun and make big plays. I love watching him play and I really feel like he's a far superior NFL player then Reggie Bush is.

Think people are going over the deep ends after a couple good games against inferior opponents. He was held to 2 YPC against the Bears for almost the entire game before he had a wide open running lane for the TD.

So in other words, if you take out his longest run of the day, he wasn't that good?

It's a common mistake made all too frequently. You can say the same about Barry Sanders, if you take out all his long runs he was pretty average...

Its not a common mistake. What's the mistake is looking at the end of game stats and saying he had a great game cause he had 4 YPC. He was a nonfactor in the running game for 95% of the game. He got the ball and went nowhere the entire time. A huge running lane opened up once and he went 43 yards skewing the stats for the day.

You should look into getting the NFLN if possible so you can watch some of the games. If you watched the game last night, he looked fantastic against a very aggressive run defense. P. Thomas was making something out of nothing on every play. Also, he wasn't held to 2 ypc all game. The 4th qtr was when his #'s really took a hit as he only had 3 yds on 7 carries. Before that, he was picking up 4+ yds on several of his runs.

I watched the game. He looked OK not great. He had 4 runs over 4 yards. Other 18 were 4 yards or less. His good games came against KC, GB and Atlanta. Reggie had over 8 YPC against Atlanta. He's a decent back but people are ready to annoint him as some kind of great runner. He's not.

I think you're quibbling here. The announcers mentioned several times how Pierre's running compared favorably to Bush dancing around. Also, why focus on his running? Pierre primarily stood out to me because he was consistently involved both in the run and passing game. That's huge. Seemed like he was consistently getting 4-8 yards for the team and putting them in great 2nd/3rd down situations. On his running, he seemed to make the most of what the defense was giving.

Gotta say i didnt get the anti Reggie perspective the commentators seemed to come in with. It was right from the beginning, like that was their MO. I mean he started off the game with runs of 13, 2, 4, 7 and 5 and they were acting like he was hurting the team. He ran harder than i ever remember him running. The last run when he tweaked his knee, i agree he could have tried to cut it inside instead of outside, but it was a nice run nonetheless. Dont have either guy on my team just dont get the anti Reggie bashing sometimes.