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[NorrisB]

Hoping we could get some information on some of these guys from homers

QB

Brian Brohm

Josh Johnson

John David Booty

Colt Brennan

RB

Jacob Hester

Mike Hart

Jalen Parmele

Justin Foresett

WR

Mario Manningham

Earl Bennett

Early Doucet

Jerome Simpson

Limas Sweed

Stevie Johnson

Lavelle Hawkins

Paul Williams

Anyone got any info about these guys much appreciatred

 

[Captain Spaulding]

I can only voice some opinions on a few guys I know about:

Colt Brennan - considering the lack of offensive passing success by Jason Cambell and the receivers on the Skins in '08, the odds of Brennan getting an opportunity to take over QB duties next season are definitely on the increase. He had an outstanding preseason, lets wait and see how he looks next preseason.

Jalen Parmalee - the kid looked really good in preseason for Miami and also on the couple of real-game carries he got 2 weeks ago in Baltimore (albeit mop up duty at the end), but he is buried in depth at Baltimore at the current moment. McClain and McGahee are both going to get the bulk of the carries next season. I don't know if McGahee is around next season but if Parmalee is #3 or #4 deep in Baltimore he has limited value. If he gets moved to another team (Seattle would be perfect) he has alot of potential.

Limas Sweed - Fantasy ceiling is completely uncertain at this point for this slow learning rookie. More than likely, he'll be the Steelers #3 or #4 WR next season as Washington is a free agent and will probably be let go. Limas is barely bigger than Todd Pinkston at the moment...he needs to down some Big Mac's and hit the weights this offseason to become much of a WR threat in the NFL.

 

[JohnnyU]

Limas Sweed - Fantasy ceiling is completely uncertain at this point for this slow learning rookie. More than likely, he'll be the Steelers #3 or #4 WR next season as Washington is a free agent and will probably be let go. Limas is barely bigger than Todd Pinkston at the moment...he needs to down some Big Mac's and hit the weights this offseason to become much of a WR threat in the NFL.

Sweed - 6'5" 220Pinkston - 6'3" 180

I wouldn't classify that as barely bigger than Todd Pinkston.

You're right about one thing however, and that is that Sweed is slow learning. I hope the light comes on someday soon.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Brohm was terrible last summer - a clear #3 behind Rodgers and Flynn. Of course, lots of rookie QB's look awful their first summer (including Aaron Rodgers).

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I read a report later on in the season about Brian Brohm. He apparently was making great strides in picking up the offense. This is long after his pitiful performance in the preseason, and demotion to third string QB behind 7th rounder Matt Flynn.

I don't think he has great "upside" as a top notch QB, but could definitely work himself into a system QB in a few years. For now he is firmly entrenched as a backup behind at least Rodgers (possibly Flynn again) for the forseeable future.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Colt Brennan - considering the lack of offensive passing success by Jason Cambell and the receivers on the Skins in '08, the odds of Brennan getting an opportunity to take over QB duties next season are definitely on the increase. He had an outstanding preseason, lets wait and see how he looks next preseason.

Brennan is very raw, and Zorn's fate is married to Campbell's. Campbell figures to start through the 2009 season barring absolute disaster or injury. If you want to invest in Brennan, just know that you're looking at a guy whose value is at least from 2010 onward, not sooner. Think of it this way - I'd compare Brennan in a lot of ways to Tony Romo (especially in terms of throwing motion and arm angle, and needing to develop better footwork, dropback skills and knowledge of the pro game), and Romo sat on the bench for 3.5 seasons before taking the field.

 

[massraider]

Hoping we could get some information on some of these guys from homersWRMario ManninghamEarl BennettEarly DoucetJerome SimpsonAnyone got any info about these guys much appreciatred

All these guys have possible routes to more playing time, I'd add Chaz Shillens from Oakland.

 

[Two Deep]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

 

[saintfool]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Limas Sweed - Fantasy ceiling is completely uncertain at this point for this slow learning rookie. More than likely, he'll be the Steelers #3 or #4 WR next season as Washington is a free agent and will probably be let go. Limas is barely bigger than Todd Pinkston at the moment...he needs to down some Big Mac's and hit the weights this offseason to become much of a WR threat in the NFL.

Sweed - 6'5" 220Pinkston - 6'3" 180

I wouldn't classify that as barely bigger than Todd Pinkston.

You're right about one thing however, and that is that Sweed is slow learning. I hope the light comes on someday soon.

I never looked at his info....I just think he looks like a string bean when I see him on the field. First player that I though of for comparison was Pinkston who looked almost anorexic.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Earl Bennett is going to be a player. The Bears don't know a good WR when he's under their nose. See Bradley, Mark.

 

[OC Zed]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

It's too early to tell, but if Hardy gains more playing time than Steve Johnson in 2009 it will be because of two important factors: (1) he fully recovers from his knee injury sustained in Week 14 against the Jets (no report yet on his recovery timetable); and (2) he finally understands the offensive system. Johnson certainly was not a worldbeater for the Bills this year, but he was a late season contributor. Like Hardy, he has sufficient size to complement Evans at the WR2 position.

 

[Hinezer]

Booty looked terrible in the preseason. Brooks Bollinger outplayed him for the 3rd QB spot, but they went with the younger player.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I was skeptical about Mike Hart in the pre-season due to his lack of speed and explosiveness, but he won me over before his injury. He seemed to always find a way to use balance, power, vision, and/or effort to produce when given the opportunity.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Booty looked terrible in the preseason. Brooks Bollinger outplayed him for the 3rd QB spot, but they went with the younger player.

Maybe I'm reading too much into his college years, but Booty just didn't seem to be much of a leader or have that "it" factor that Palmer, Leinart or Sanchez had/have. He's got some talent, but he screams NFL backup to me.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Booty looked terrible in the preseason. Brooks Bollinger outplayed him for the 3rd QB spot, but they went with the younger player.

Maybe I'm reading too much into his college years, but Booty just didn't seem to be much of a leader or have that "it" factor that Palmer, Leinart or Sanchez had/have. He's got some talent, but he screams NFL backup to me.

What are you doing to him while he screams that to you?

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Hoping we could get some information on some of these guys from homersQBBrian BrohmJosh JohnsonJohn David BootyColt BrennanRBJacob HesterMike HartJalen ParmeleJustin ForesettWRMario ManninghamEarl BennettEarly DoucetJerome SimpsonLimas SweedStevie JohnsonLavelle HawkinsPaul WilliamsAnyone got any info about these guys much appreciatred

Excellent thread Norris. I anticipate checking back in numerous times for little tidbits of info throughout the offseason. Keep up the good work!

 

[NorrisB]

Booty looked terrible in the preseason. Brooks Bollinger outplayed him for the 3rd QB spot, but they went with the younger player.

Maybe I'm reading too much into his college years, but Booty just didn't seem to be much of a leader or have that "it" factor that Palmer, Leinart or Sanchez had/have. He's got some talent, but he screams NFL backup to me.

As a USC fan I can tell you that Booty has a rifle arm, but thats about it, he's too short to play QB, plus he has a sidearm throwing motion, which leads to 5-6 tipped passes per game, and he trips over his own feet. Maybe if you could fix that throwing motion and work on his drop which he should have learned with 6 years at USC.

 

[MAC_32]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

Reed's a good #3, not a #2.Hardy has been a project from day 1, at least two years and he'll likely miss most of 09 camp so it may turn into a 3 year project.Johnson will be given every opportunity to win the #2 role in camp unless they bring in a vet.

 

[MAC_32]

I was skeptical about Mike Hart in the pre-season due to his lack of speed and explosiveness, but he won me over before his injury. He seemed to always find a way to use balance, power, vision, and/or effort to produce when given the opportunity.

How someone plays on the field > measurablesHe'll spend half of his career in the infirmary, but as long as he's healthy you can feel good about him carrying the rock.

 

[Bri]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.

Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

 

[FantasyTrader]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

 

[saintfool]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

arrington looked like he could be another gem in the saints WR corps, like moore and colston. there was a lot of talk about him. he has size at 6'3 and good hands. he was the darling of the offseason and turned some heads in the preseason. he was hurt in the preseason and put on IR. i don't expect the saints to bend over backwards to re-sign henderson. patten has a year left on his contract but is clearly expendable given the emergence of moore. so that leaves enigmatic meachem as his competition in camp currently.

 

[MAC_32]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

arrington looked like he could be another gem in the saints WR corps, like moore and colston. there was a lot of talk about him. he has size at 6'3 and good hands. he was the darling of the offseason and turned some heads in the preseason. he was hurt in the preseason and put on IR. i don't expect the saints to bend over backwards to re-sign henderson. patten has a year left on his contract but is clearly expendable given the emergence of moore. so that leaves enigmatic meachem as his competition in camp currently.

Problem being Arrington's attitude and work ethic is on par with Meachem. Arrington not being in shape and getting hurt early again would not surprise me at all. I have him stashed as well because the potential is there, but I expect to either cut or trade him before our keeper deadline in late August.

 

[saintfool]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.

Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

arrington looked like he could be another gem in the saints WR corps, like moore and colston. there was a lot of talk about him. he has size at 6'3 and good hands. he was the darling of the offseason and turned some heads in the preseason. he was hurt in the preseason and put on IR. i don't expect the saints to bend over backwards to re-sign henderson. patten has a year left on his contract but is clearly expendable given the emergence of moore. so that leaves enigmatic meachem as his competition in camp currently.

Problem being Arrington's attitude and work ethic is on par with Meachem. Arrington not being in shape and getting hurt early again would not surprise me at all. I have him stashed as well because the potential is there, but I expect to either cut or trade him before our keeper deadline in late August.

i have not heard anything to that effect.

 

[super sleeper]

Mario Manningham has been a disappointment with the Giants, especially considering all the WR injuries and the Plax situation. He really started out slow after being injured in the preseason, and has been slow to pick up the offense.

Having said that, the Giants have been getting him more involved. Supposedly they've come up with some plays for him, and they've had a couple of weeks to integrate them into the game plan. It will be interesting to see if he becomes the David Tyree of this year's postseason for the Giants, a little-used backup who makes key contributions.

Going forward, he has a chance to be the #3 WR next year, behind Smith and Hixon, especially if the Giants don't resign Toomer. But if the Giants WRs, especially Hixon, struggle this postseason (and even if they don't), the Giants may use an early pick on a big WR, pushing Manningham further down the depth chart. With few needs and 3 picks in the first 3 rounds, it's possible a guy like Britt, Heyward-Bey, or Nicks is pushing him for PT next year.

 

[MAC_32]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.

Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

arrington looked like he could be another gem in the saints WR corps, like moore and colston. there was a lot of talk about him. he has size at 6'3 and good hands. he was the darling of the offseason and turned some heads in the preseason. he was hurt in the preseason and put on IR. i don't expect the saints to bend over backwards to re-sign henderson. patten has a year left on his contract but is clearly expendable given the emergence of moore. so that leaves enigmatic meachem as his competition in camp currently.

Problem being Arrington's attitude and work ethic is on par with Meachem. Arrington not being in shape and getting hurt early again would not surprise me at all. I have him stashed as well because the potential is there, but I expect to either cut or trade him before our keeper deadline in late August.

i have not heard anything to that effect.

Michigan homer, trust me on this one, it wasn't publicized much only because Manningham was that much worse. People can change, I'm just writing that it used to be an issue and nothing's changed to lead me to believe otherwise.

 

[EBF]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

 

[moviedude25]

Add Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas both Washington WR's to the list. 2008 was there rookie years and neither was hardly used much but rumor is that Thomas will be Washingtons WR2 at the start of the year with Kelly and El splitting time as the slot WR3/WR4

 

[MAC_32]

Add Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas both Washington WR's to the list. 2008 was there rookie years and neither was hardly used much but rumor is that Thomas will be Washingtons WR2 at the start of the year with Kelly and El splitting time as the slot WR3/WR4

Where did you read that?

 

[saintfool]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust. he had a good camp and came in poised for a big season. he had 2 games where he produced yardage and tds. i thought he would supplant henderson easily based on those early games and the offseason buzz. devery just seemed to hang around though. henderson's numbers are ho-hum (good yardage, small # of receptions). i think they'll let henderson go because they are pretty similar. meachem has opportunity, i think, and it's premature to write him off given the situation he's in.

 

[saintfool]

Add Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas both Washington WR's to the list. 2008 was there rookie years and neither was hardly used much but rumor is that Thomas will be Washingtons WR2 at the start of the year with Kelly and El splitting time as the slot WR3/WR4

El seemed increasingly irrelevant to the passing game as the season progressed. i could see either of those guys auditioning for his spot as a starter.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Add Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas both Washington WR's to the list. 2008 was there rookie years and neither was hardly used much but rumor is that Thomas will be Washingtons WR2 at the start of the year with Kelly and El splitting time as the slot WR3/WR4

El seemed increasingly irrelevant to the passing game as the season progressed. i could see either of those guys auditioning for his spot as a starter.

The lack of a good WR2 forced Randle El into the role. He's far more effective as a WR3 running short and intermediate routes, in the Wes Welker mold. The Redskins are hoping that Thomas and/or Kelly can get onto the field opposite Moss and open things up in the passing game, while allowing Randle El to play in his more natural position. Regarding rumors about Thomas, there's no presumption that he'll start over Kelly next year. He got onto the field more than Kelly, but that was due more to Kelly's knees than Thomas' talent. In fact, Thomas has reportedly proven to be a very slow learner, and he's got more to learn as the more raw and less experienced guy there (only 1 season at a D1 school). Moreover, another rumor indicated that while Kelly planned to stay in the area during the offseason to work with Campbell, Thomas had no such plans much to the chagrin of the team.

 

[Chaka]

Booty looked terrible in the preseason. Brooks Bollinger outplayed him for the 3rd QB spot, but they went with the younger player.

Maybe I'm reading too much into his college years, but Booty just didn't seem to be much of a leader or have that "it" factor that Palmer, Leinart or Sanchez had/have. He's got some talent, but he screams NFL backup to me.

As a USC fan I can tell you that Booty has a rifle arm, but thats about it, he's too short to play QB, plus he has a sidearm throwing motion, which leads to 5-6 tipped passes per game, and he trips over his own feet. Maybe if you could fix that throwing motion and work on his drop which he should have learned with 6 years at USC.

Booty is 6'3", I don't think that's too short.The way I see it is that he has the best opportunity to get some playing time of the QBs listed in this thread. All you can ask for is opportunity What he does with that opportunity is anyone's guess.

 

[PranksterJD]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust.

The scant evidence of him being any good is some decent evidence of him being a bust.I'm a Saints guy, and I'd love to see Meachem turn it around... but he seems soft to me. He's been given chances, and with the way Brees was playing this year its was actually **hard** for receivers to look bad... yet Meachem managed to do it. I'll hold reserved hope for the Saints, but I'm not holding Meachem on many of my fantasy teams.

 

[EBF]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust.

The scant evidence of him being any good is some decent evidence of him being a bust.I'm a Saints guy, and I'd love to see Meachem turn it around... but he seems soft to me. He's been given chances, and with the way Brees was playing this year its was actually **hard** for receivers to look bad... yet Meachem managed to do it. I'll hold reserved hope for the Saints, but I'm not holding Meachem on many of my fantasy teams.

He caught 0 balls as a rookie and was beaten out by some pretty mediocre players as a sophomore. More importantly, he just hasn't looked very good when I've seen him play.

I have him in a small roster 14 team non-PPR dynasty and I'll be dropping him this offseason instead of guys like Harry Douglas, Laurent Robinson, and Chansi Stuckey. He has very little value in my eyes.

 

[Max Power]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust.

The scant evidence of him being any good is some decent evidence of him being a bust.I'm a Saints guy, and I'd love to see Meachem turn it around... but he seems soft to me. He's been given chances, and with the way Brees was playing this year its was actually **hard** for receivers to look bad... yet Meachem managed to do it. I'll hold reserved hope for the Saints, but I'm not holding Meachem on many of my fantasy teams.

He caught 0 balls as a rookie and was beaten out by some pretty mediocre players as a sophomore. More importantly, he just hasn't looked very good when I've seen him play.

I have him in a small roster 14 team non-PPR dynasty and I'll be dropping him this offseason instead of guys like Harry Douglas, Laurent Robinson, and Chansi Stuckey. He has very little value in my eyes.

Laurent Robinson has shown you more?

 

[EBF]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust.

The scant evidence of him being any good is some decent evidence of him being a bust.I'm a Saints guy, and I'd love to see Meachem turn it around... but he seems soft to me. He's been given chances, and with the way Brees was playing this year its was actually **hard** for receivers to look bad... yet Meachem managed to do it. I'll hold reserved hope for the Saints, but I'm not holding Meachem on many of my fantasy teams.

He caught 0 balls as a rookie and was beaten out by some pretty mediocre players as a sophomore. More importantly, he just hasn't looked very good when I've seen him play.

I have him in a small roster 14 team non-PPR dynasty and I'll be dropping him this offseason instead of guys like Harry Douglas, Laurent Robinson, and Chansi Stuckey. He has very little value in my eyes.

Laurent Robinson has shown you more?

Yep. He has more career receiving yards despite being hampered by serious injuries this season. He has definitely looked better than Meachem when he's played. Putting the stats aside, I don't think Meachem is a very good football player. Big kid who runs fast in a straight line. Not quick, not smooth, and has inconsistent hands.

 

[saintfool]

He caught 0 balls as a rookie and was beaten out by some pretty mediocre players as a sophomore. More importantly, he just hasn't looked very good when I've seen him play.

he was injured his rookie season."beaten" by pretty mediocre players? it's not like there has been a competition. he's been stuck behind Devery, who just happens to have the very same skillset (for good or ill), but with the edge in experience. besides, Payton's rationale for starting and evaluating players in a game -- much less a season -- seems pretty private. why else would he have played the Rbs the way he has? why would he bother with shockey? why would he have waited a full season to start lance moore when everyone was clamoring for the guy to get playing time? meachem hasn't been given any more than spot duty with some encouraging results. i don't regard him as the second coming but it seems weird to give up on him, especially when he likely has real opportunity going into the next season.is he a "bust"? no. has he been a disappointment, relative to his draft position and results on the field? yes. would i give up on a player that has a shot to do something in the #1 offense in the nfl? hell no.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I have Arrington on all of my PPR dynasty teams. He's not the strongest or most explosive WR out there, but I think he has the "it" factor. If Henderson skips town then I could see Arrington taking the WR3 spot next year. Meachem = bust IMO.

see, i think there is scant evidence to suggest that he's a bust.

The scant evidence of him being any good is some decent evidence of him being a bust.I'm a Saints guy, and I'd love to see Meachem turn it around... but he seems soft to me. He's been given chances, and with the way Brees was playing this year its was actually **hard** for receivers to look bad... yet Meachem managed to do it. I'll hold reserved hope for the Saints, but I'm not holding Meachem on many of my fantasy teams.

He caught 0 balls as a rookie and was beaten out by some pretty mediocre players as a sophomore. More importantly, he just hasn't looked very good when I've seen him play.

I have him in a small roster 14 team non-PPR dynasty and I'll be dropping him this offseason instead of guys like Harry Douglas, Laurent Robinson, and Chansi Stuckey. He has very little value in my eyes.

Laurent Robinson has shown you more?

Yep. He has more career receiving yards despite being hampered by serious injuries this season. He has definitely looked better than Meachem when he's played. Putting the stats aside, I don't think Meachem is a very good football player. Big kid who runs fast in a straight line. Not quick, not smooth, and has inconsistent hands.

Laurent Robinson impressed me as a rookie and he is one player I am targeting in the offseason. He is the perfect buy low...talented, coming off of an injury plagued season, and assuming he plays like he did as a rookie, he doesn't have much standing in his way...plus, he is WAY under fantasy radars. Meachem doesn't impress me at all.

As for Arrington, the best thing I can say about him is he always seemed to make plays at Michigan. He is just one of those WRs who gets open and makes plays, and I think his ceiling is pretty high considering where he was drafted.

 

[Bri]

Laurent Robinson impressed me as a rookie and he is one player I am targeting in the offseason. He is the perfect buy low...talented, coming off of an injury plagued season, and assuming he plays like he did as a rookie, he doesn't have much standing in his way...plus, he is WAY under fantasy radars. Meachem doesn't impress me at all.As for Arrington, the best thing I can say about him is he always seemed to make plays at Michigan. He is just one of those WRs who gets open and makes plays, and I think his ceiling is pretty high considering where he was drafted.

I don't disagree on Laurent but when he got drafted people pretended Jenkins was older than he is, as if Jenkins aged 4 years or somesuch. Jenkins was a relatively high pick(can't recall exact) and may just be developing late. I think Jenkins is good enough to always be a problem(pass distribution) for us wanting more from Robinson. At best it'll be a mishmash opposite White. Really have to hope for Robinson to just be special in spring and summer to completely win the #2 spot.

 

[Bri]

Lavelle Hawkins has seen a bunch of playing time this year. Paul Williams not so much. McCareins has been unimpressive and IMO will be replaced. The OC however loves the guy so.... Hawkins looks like a posession WR not nec a big play guy. I haven't noticed him break any catches into significant YAC.Adrian Arrington is my dynasty stash away pick

I know absolutely NOTHING about Arrington Bri. Can you expound on what you see that you like?

reply to others sorta tooHaven't seen or read anything about attitude problems. If there was, what does being picked in the 7th round and spending a year watching everyone else play while you're helplessly injured on the sideline do for that attitude?The Saints would be unstoppable with Colston opposite playerX and Moore in the slot. At times, Shokey or Miller as the TE. Brees always looks like a hot QB anyway, give him a 3rd WR he loves and ...geesh. (BTW If I were the Saints I'd go with Miller not Shockey in 09-money-wise, shockey's not shown he's that much better lately) So, Meachem had just pretty good games in Colston's absence but, it was noticable that there was another weapon for Brees and how things just open up with that. Moore came on and Meachem went back to doing almost nothing. I have young children and don't always watch games with sound. I had never seen Meachem or Arrington-keep in mind Meachem was a high pick and all the press. Watching preseason games I kept saying to myself wow Meachem IS good. At least now I know why they're all excited he's on the Saints. Nice catch, nice play, wow you even block......guess what? It was Arrington not Meachem I was impressed with. I mixed up the players. Light goes off-wow I thought this 7th rounder was a 1st round "thoroughbred" special type. Googled and I wasn't the only one thoroughly impressed, others were calling him the next Colston or Housh due to his 7th round status. To reiterate-Arrington isn't awesome. He looked like he had all the tools to be a good one and would one day like most 1st rounder do. Think raw, don't think great in 2009. This added weapon in the Saints O can't be coverred much(focus or double coverage) unless the D is allowed 12 or 13 players. There's no way they don't pay attention to Colston, Moore, Shockey, and Bush/Deuce/Pierre. I think Patten, Devery, and even Copper have proven this point to us all that IF another WR can come on ......

 

[Tick]

Andre Caldwell belongs on the list.

Also, he's got another year of experience, but is Craig Davis a bust, or is there hope for him still?

 

[coolnerd]

Andre Caldwell belongs on the list.Also, he's got another year of experience, but is Craig Davis a bust, or is there hope for him still?

The biggest hope for him is that I think chambers and Jackson are some form of FA this off-season, but I think he has fallen behind Floyd and Nanee. Many thought he was overdrafted a couple years back and he has done little change that perception. Honestly, even in most of really deep leagues he is available and is no more than a keep a watch on player at the moment.

 

[Fiddles]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

Reed's a good #3, not a #2.Hardy has been a project from day 1, at least two years and he'll likely miss most of 09 camp so it may turn into a 3 year project.Johnson will be given every opportunity to win the #2 role in camp unless they bring in a vet.

Hardy out 6-9 months after surgery:Bills receiver James Hardy underwent surgery on Monday to repair the damage in the left knee that he suffered during the game at the New York Jets on Dec. 14, a team source confirmed. Bills doctors performed the surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Hardy, the team’s second-round draft choice in 2008, will face six to nine months of rehabilitation in order to return to full action for the team.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Laurent Robinson impressed me as a rookie and he is one player I am targeting in the offseason. He is the perfect buy low...talented, coming off of an injury plagued season, and assuming he plays like he did as a rookie, he doesn't have much standing in his way...plus, he is WAY under fantasy radars.

Meachem doesn't impress me at all.

As for Arrington, the best thing I can say about him is he always seemed to make plays at Michigan. He is just one of those WRs who gets open and makes plays, and I think his ceiling is pretty high considering where he was drafted.

I don't disagree on Laurent but when he got drafted people pretended Jenkins was older than he is, as if Jenkins aged 4 years or somesuch. Jenkins was a relatively high pick(can't recall exact) and may just be developing late. I think Jenkins is good enough to always be a problem(pass distribution) for us wanting more from Robinson. At best it'll be a mishmash opposite White. Really have to hope for Robinson to just be special in spring and summer to completely win the #2 spot.

and Harry Douglas looked pretty good for a rookie last year as well and has to figure in the mix. As good as Matt Ryan played for a rookie he'll still be a young QB on a team that wants to establish the run - and has a legit #1 WR. Robinson's opportunities will be limited.

 

[big country]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

Reed's a good #3, not a #2.Hardy has been a project from day 1, at least two years and he'll likely miss most of 09 camp so it may turn into a 3 year project.Johnson will be given every opportunity to win the #2 role in camp unless they bring in a vet.

Hardy out 6-9 months after surgery:Bills receiver James Hardy underwent surgery on Monday to repair the damage in the left knee that he suffered during the game at the New York Jets on Dec. 14, a team source confirmed. Bills doctors performed the surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Hardy, the team’s second-round draft choice in 2008, will face six to nine months of rehabilitation in order to return to full action for the team.

Bump Steve Johnson up

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

My guess is Steve Johnson will be a regular contributor next year unless they pick up a veteran free agent.

Over Hardy? Reed had another steady, if unspectacular, year for the Bills.

Reed's a good #3, not a #2.Hardy has been a project from day 1, at least two years and he'll likely miss most of 09 camp so it may turn into a 3 year project.Johnson will be given every opportunity to win the #2 role in camp unless they bring in a vet.

Hardy out 6-9 months after surgery:Bills receiver James Hardy underwent surgery on Monday to repair the damage in the left knee that he suffered during the game at the New York Jets on Dec. 14, a team source confirmed. Bills doctors performed the surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Hardy, the team’s second-round draft choice in 2008, will face six to nine months of rehabilitation in order to return to full action for the team.

Bump Steve Johnson up

I like Stevie Johnson ... he is much better than most realize.