LET'S TALK VICK... (1 Viewer)

[RamMan]

I paid $2 for M. Vick in our $200-cap Auction league draft this year. I took a flyer on him becasue I thought he might have a chance to end up a Top 7, perhaps top 5, QB this season for the following reasons:

1) Duckett gone = more GL oppty's for Vick (as evidenced last weekend)

2) Vick should be more knowledgable and comfortable in his third year in Mora's offense

3) This will be his second season working with Jenkins and White (spent alot of time with White in the off season)

4) I think Mora trusts Vick a bit more this season and will let him utilize his unique skills instead of forcing him to be a west-coast pocket passer. This seems to be coming to fruition so far this season.

With Vick posting nice numbers vs. Carolina and TB in his first 2 games, I'm predicting a Top 7 finish - and a good shot at Top 5. I've started Bulger (UGHHH!) in the first 2 games thus far (and escaped with a 1-1 record), but I'm plugging in Vick until further notice.

 

[belljr]

They also added an option package in for Vick for this year specifically.

I am optimistic as a Vick owner but I'm sure there will be many "off games also" I think he can be top 10 this year just because of rushing yardage

 

[Hellfire Snail]

I'm no Vick lover, but...

YES

 

[Loopdog]

I think so, barring injury that he will be a top 5 Qb this year. The only thing is in the first two games he has not really had to pass, so we dont know if he's really learned alot in the offense or he's just taking advantage of his unearthly athletic ability so far. We will see in the coming weeks as Atlanta is not going to stomp all over every opponent they play this year.....are they?

 

[saintfool]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

the talk is about how good the atlanta offense is this year. they have great 3's but it's not scoring. their leading receiver only has 5 receptions and less than a 100 yards.

i think the atlanta defense is the best weapon they have right now. i've had vick in the past and he's a tease. teams will adjust to their new offensive scheme. likely it will mean that vick will be forced to throw more and that's not playing to the atlanta stregnths.

 

[red]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

it's not much, but hasn't koenen missed 6 of 8 FGs?

 

[RamMan]

I think so, barring injury that he will be a top 5 Qb this year. The only thing is in the first two games he has not really had to pass, so we dont know if he's really learned alot in the offense or he's just taking advantage of his unearthly athletic ability so far. We will see in the coming weeks as Atlanta is not going to stomp all over every opponent they play this year.....are they?

The main reason I'm hopeful on Vick is that Mora will finally take advantage of Vick's "unearthly" athletic ability. He's got special skills that Mora has NEVER taken advantage of.

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's a big if but IF he remains healthy there is no reason he shouldn't.

 

[J-Co]

Probably depends on the scoring system to some extent. In leagues like mine where rushing/receiving TDs and rushing/receiving yards are considerably more valuable than passing TDs and yards, he gets a boost. Anyway, I'm high on him this year after years of feeling that he was extremely overrated. Part of it is the reasons you already stated which should result in improved performance barring injury and the other factor is that he could be had so much cheaper this year than in the past. He's QB #6 in my scoring system right now and I expect both Pennington and Grossman, who are #1 and #2 respectively, to fall out of the top-5 eventually. Palmer could sneak in there and maybe Warner or somebody else having a good year, but it's hard to see Vick falling much from his current spot if he can stay healthy.

 

[-jb-]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

michael koenen 2/8 FGs.scores should have been 26-6 and 26-3.i don't think you can put the inaccuracy of their kicker on vick.

 

[One]

the sky's the limit with Mike Vick this season. I'm interested in what some upcoming defenses are planning to throw at him. so far, so good.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

In the 3 seasons he's played most of the season he's ranked (3, 12, and 10) *per FBG's scoring.

If healthy he has as good a shot as any QB not named Manning to be top 5.

Mike Vick = the most under-rated QB going into the 2006 season.

 

[Phurfur]

Probably depends on the scoring system to some extent. In leagues like mine where rushing/receiving TDs and rushing/receiving yards are considerably more valuable than passing TDs and yards, he gets a boost. Anyway, I'm high on him this year after years of feeling that he was extremely overrated. Part of it is the reasons you already stated which should result in improved performance barring injury and the other factor is that he could be had so much cheaper this year than in the past. He's QB #6 in my scoring system right now and I expect both Pennington and Grossman, who are #1 and #2 respectively, to fall out of the top-5 eventually. Palmer could sneak in there and maybe Warner or somebody else having a good year, but it's hard to see Vick falling much from his current spot if he can stay healthy.

This is extremely important.In one of my leagues (1/25 pass yds, 3 pass TD, 1/10 rush yds, 6 rush TD) he was #4 last year. I picked him up this year and he is currently ranked #2.

 

[my man otis]

See the 1986 Giants to see what running the ball will do to the game. Not a ton of points b/c they eat so much of the clock up running the ball. Shortens the game a lot.

 

[Shlon]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.the talk is about how good the atlanta offense is this year. they have great 3's but it's not scoring. their leading receiver only has 5 receptions and less than a 100 yards. i think the atlanta defense is the best weapon they have right now. i've had vick in the past and he's a tease. teams will adjust to their new offensive scheme. likely it will mean that vick will be forced to throw more and that's not playing to the atlanta stregnths.

Play calling gets more conservative in the redzone second half compared to first half. First half aggressive playcalling 2 TD's. Second half conservative playcalling and seemed like the offense after driving the ball 70 yards would settle for FG's. Only to miss the FG's.

 

[saintfool]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

it's not much, but hasn't koenen missed 6 of 8 FGs?

why are they settling for FGs? if vick and the offense are running roughshot over teams then they should be scoring TD's. again, i'm not entirely sold on the atlanta offense, especially with vick.

 

[-jb-]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

it's not much, but hasn't koenen missed 6 of 8 FGs?

why are they settling for FGs? if vick and the offense are running roughshot over teams then they should be scoring TD's. again, i'm not entirely sold on the atlanta offense, especially with vick.

one reason would be that, when they have the game in hand, they didn't risk throwing it on third down in the red zone. that's just good conservative play-calling. seriously, if the falcons had scored 26 points, FG or otherwise, would that not be considered a good offesive outing? i don't get it.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

They also added an option package in for Vick for this year specifically.

And, it's about damn time...After years of, "we're trying to get Michael to look for the pass first, more." That was the dumbest coaching approach ever. It was like telling the Rams that they should be running the ball more with Faulk, and using him as a receiver less.I understand the injury risk arguement, but a lot of that can be coached. That's the thing I would have been harping on if I were his coach... Run, but avoid contact as much as possible.

 

[GATZ]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

They had 4 missed field goals and a fumble lost inside the 20 on Sunday . . . should've scored a lot more than 14 this weekend.

 

[creeps1313]

If Vick stays healthy he will have 1000 yards rushing...

 

[saintfool]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

it's not much, but hasn't koenen missed 6 of 8 FGs?

why are they settling for FGs? if vick and the offense are running roughshot over teams then they should be scoring TD's. again, i'm not entirely sold on the atlanta offense, especially with vick.

one reason would be that, when they have the game in hand, they didn't risk throwing it on third down in the red zone. that's just good conservative play-calling. seriously, if the falcons had scored 26 points, FG or otherwise, would that not be considered a good offesive outing? i don't get it.

unless vick starts kicking FG's, i don't see the hype. why would vick be somehow better, improving, "turning a corner" if they are settling for FGs?For example, in the Tampa game, halftime the score was 14-3 which is hardly a rout. Shouldn't they have felt compelled to finish them off instead of settling for FG's. If the Atlanta offense is potent then they would feel compelled, especially with the scoreboard only showing 14-3, to score TD's, especially with their kicker missing them. Once the Atlanta offense is able to explode for more than 2 Td's then I will be ready to provide a vote of confidence for Vick. short of that, I'm not sold.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Its early, but if he stays healthy he will run for over 1000 yards this season.

Edit: beaten to the punch.

 

[The Jerk]

i'd like to point out, that depsite rushing for 300+ yards, the falcons were only able to muster 14 points. against carolina? 20 points.

it's not much, but hasn't koenen missed 6 of 8 FGs?

why are they settling for FGs? if vick and the offense are running roughshot over teams then they should be scoring TD's. again, i'm not entirely sold on the atlanta offense, especially with vick.

one reason would be that, when they have the game in hand, they didn't risk throwing it on third down in the red zone. that's just good conservative play-calling. seriously, if the falcons had scored 26 points, FG or otherwise, would that not be considered a good offesive outing? i don't get it.

unless vick starts kicking FG's, i don't see the hype. why would vick be somehow better, improving, "turning a corner" if they are settling for FGs?For example, in the Tampa game, halftime the score was 14-3 which is hardly a rout. Shouldn't they have felt compelled to finish them off instead of settling for FG's. If the Atlanta offense is potent then they would feel compelled, especially with the scoreboard only showing 14-3, to score TD's, especially with their kicker missing them. Once the Atlanta offense is able to explode for more than 2 Td's then I will be ready to provide a vote of confidence for Vick. short of that, I'm not sold.

Fair enough, but the Falcons were playing the Panthers and Bucs, not the Titans and Raiders, and they have enjoyed a double-digit lead for the majority of the 120 minutes they have played so far. It's not like the Falcons have hit their peak and yet Vick is already being highly productive.

 

[belljr]

They also added an option package in for Vick for this year specifically.I am optimistic as a Vick owner but I'm sure there will be many "off games also" I think he can be top 10 this year just because of rushing yardage

Why are you sure there will be many off games?

Sadly I've suffered with Vick going on 4 years now.I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much. Am I optimistic it's "changed". Yes.It looks liked they've learned to use him properly but I still have some doubts, for now.

 

[PMENFAN]

Hasn't the issue been with not running Vich more is that he's been hurt quite a lot, or a little bit soft, nagging injuries? I'm not a believer that you can run an option in the NFL. Now that teams know it, and have seen it, ONE classic way to defend the option is to have your defensive end hammer the QB every time, whether he pitches the ball or not. Let the corner/LB worry about the pitch man, but make sure the DE hits the QB, every time.

He's athletic and all, but I just don't think running the option in the NFL is wise. See how this plays out. Where has MIke Vick been hurt? Outside the pocket. And, you want to design plays to send him there, how many times a game? WEek 1 was 7, but week 2 we saw the option package and 14 times. He will get hurt, count on it. This is the NFL, and one dimensional offenses get shut down. It may have worked in the element of surprise, even against 2 of the better run D's in the league, but it will not work long term.

Vick fantasy value is where it has always been. He has marginal value in the passing game. When he can pick up some running yards/ TD's, he will get you points, which is while he's healthy. When he gets dinged, which will be soon, his value will fall.

 

[saintfool]

They also added an option package in for Vick for this year specifically.I am optimistic as a Vick owner but I'm sure there will be many "off games also" I think he can be top 10 this year just because of rushing yardage

Why are you sure there will be many off games?

Sadly I've suffered with Vick going on 4 years now.I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much. Am I optimistic it's "changed". Yes.It looks liked they've learned to use him properly but I still have some doubts, for now.

yeah, this is my experience. i have had him in previous years. he'll look great before crapping out. when his and the team's confidence are high and the swagger is there then he's All-World. When he's off, though, his game is in the toilet. Teams will figure out how to deal with him in their revised offense. He will fall to earth.

 

[stlrams]

If he can stay healthly Vick definitely will finish in top 10... I'm in a heavy TD league and took him in the 8th round. My read was he would take the majority of Duckett's td's

 

[The Jerk]

They also added an option package in for Vick for this year specifically.I am optimistic as a Vick owner but I'm sure there will be many "off games also" I think he can be top 10 this year just because of rushing yardage

Why are you sure there will be many off games?

Sadly I've suffered with Vick going on 4 years now.I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much. Am I optimistic it's "changed". Yes.It looks liked they've learned to use him properly but I still have some doubts, for now.

Every QB has his down games. As always, how far down depends on league scoring methods. Even Peyton Manning had three TD free games last year, and in one of them he had 122 passing yards (JAX Week 2). Week 16 was one of these games, and obviously he was pulled early, but that was no consolation to the owner.Vick, who gets drafted much later (especially this year) had two TD free games and five 1 TD games. He did miss one game early in the season due to a knee injury.Which QB had the same exact "down games" with regard to TDs last year? Tom Brady: 2 TD free games, 5 1 TD games.Of course, yardage also matters, but Vick usually makes up for what he misses in passing yards with rushing yards. In my leagues last week, only Manning exceeded Vick's yardage-only points last week despite Vick not recording 100 passing yards.Vick gets held to a higher standard in part due to the excessive media hype over his highlight reel athleticism. He's not as inconsistent as most people (including me in the past) think.

 

[belljr]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent. For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".For selfish reasons obviously.

 

[The Jerk]

Hasn't the issue been with not running Vich more is that he's been hurt quite a lot, or a little bit soft, nagging injuries? I'm not a believer that you can run an option in the NFL. Now that teams know it, and have seen it, ONE classic way to defend the option is to have your defensive end hammer the QB every time, whether he pitches the ball or not. Let the corner/LB worry about the pitch man, but make sure the DE hits the QB, every time. He's athletic and all, but I just don't think running the option in the NFL is wise. See how this plays out. Where has MIke Vick been hurt? Outside the pocket. And, you want to design plays to send him there, how many times a game? WEek 1 was 7, but week 2 we saw the option package and 14 times. He will get hurt, count on it. This is the NFL, and one dimensional offenses get shut down. It may have worked in the element of surprise, even against 2 of the better run D's in the league, but it will not work long term. Vick fantasy value is where it has always been. He has marginal value in the passing game. When he can pick up some running yards/ TD's, he will get you points, which is while he's healthy. When he gets dinged, which will be soon, his value will fall.

Tell that to Trent Green. (Not intended as a cheap shot, as he's one classy player).This option is not the classic Nebraska option where the QB heads down along the line of scrimmage. It's the West Virginia/Texas option where the QB puts the ball in front of the RB, then reads the defensive front on one end and then either puts the ball into the RBs hands or pulls it back and takes off around the end. It's more likely Vick gets hurt doing this than not doing it at all, but I also think he's more likely to get injured in the pocket than running this type of option. The coaches need to keep telling him to get out of bounds or get down early.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have pimped Vick this year as a cheap QB alternative that would allow people to load up at other positions and still get a Top 5 QB after most or all other owners had already picked a starting QB. IIRC, I was one of only a couple staff to rank him in the Top 5. So far I look like a genius.

A lot of my praise was based on LAST YEAR when Vick would have been Top 5 if he had averaged only 20 more passing yards per game. I still think we may see him throw the ballmore and run less. If Vick gets "average" passing yards and/or "average" passing TD, he will be Top 5. This has been the case since he first became a regular starter (and that's what he did in 2002.

Vick is currently Top 10 in the NFL in rushing yards and on pace for 1,400 rushing yards. (Only Randall Cunningham has ranked in the Top 10 as far as I can remember.) It's pretty clear Vick won't get that many yards, so he will have to pass more to score a lot of fantasy points. Given that his WR corps is better than any other season, I think that there's a good chance Vick can finish Top 5.

 

[PMENFAN]

Hasn't the issue been with not running Vich more is that he's been hurt quite a lot, or a little bit soft, nagging injuries? I'm not a believer that you can run an option in the NFL. Now that teams know it, and have seen it, ONE classic way to defend the option is to have your defensive end hammer the QB every time, whether he pitches the ball or not. Let the corner/LB worry about the pitch man, but make sure the DE hits the QB, every time. He's athletic and all, but I just don't think running the option in the NFL is wise. See how this plays out. Where has MIke Vick been hurt? Outside the pocket. And, you want to design plays to send him there, how many times a game? WEek 1 was 7, but week 2 we saw the option package and 14 times. He will get hurt, count on it. This is the NFL, and one dimensional offenses get shut down. It may have worked in the element of surprise, even against 2 of the better run D's in the league, but it will not work long term. Vick fantasy value is where it has always been. He has marginal value in the passing game. When he can pick up some running yards/ TD's, he will get you points, which is while he's healthy. When he gets dinged, which will be soon, his value will fall.

Tell that to Trent Green. (Not intended as a cheap shot, as he's one classy player).This option is not the classic Nebraska option where the QB heads down along the line of scrimmage. It's the West Virginia/Texas option where the QB puts the ball in front of the RB, then reads the defensive front on one end and then either puts the ball into the RBs hands or pulls it back and takes off around the end. It's more likely Vick gets hurt doing this than not doing it at all, but I also think he's more likely to get injured in the pocket than running this type of option. The coaches need to keep telling him to get out of bounds or get down early.

I think Vicks best value to the team is really more like the Saints are using Reggie Bush, and getting Matt Schaub, a true passer, on the field. Vick is too good an athlete to not have on the field. If they want to expose Vick to these hits, get him the ball in space. No, it's not the classic triple option, but it's still exposing your QB to many hits from 300 lb guys running 4.7's that they need's be taking, what 10-15 times a game? The difference between this and having him be a flanker type of player is that he's generally going to be getting the ball in space, having to elude 1 guy, which is usually not going to be a lineman, or 3. I love Mike Vick as an athlete, and his elusive ability. I just don't like him as a passer, or QB. He's got a strong arm, but he cannot read defenses. He's shown that time and again. He occasionally makes a good throw, but he makes far more bad throws. The way they're running the offense this year, they've all but conceded this. With the game on the line, and Atlanta needing to pass the ball to come from behind, or pass because the run has been shut down, Mike Vick cannot get it done. From a fantasy perspective, that's back, but from a football perspective, that's worse.

 

[The Jerk]

No, it's not the classic triple option, but it's still exposing your QB to many hits from 300 lb guys running 4.7's that they need's be taking, what 10-15 times a game? The difference between this and having him be a flanker type of player is that he's generally going to be getting the ball in space, having to elude 1 guy, which is usually not going to be a lineman, or 3. I love Mike Vick as an athlete, and his elusive ability. I just don't like him as a passer, or QB. He's got a strong arm, but he cannot read defenses. He's shown that time and again. He occasionally makes a good throw, but he makes far more bad throws. The way they're running the offense this year, they've all but conceded this. With the game on the line, and Atlanta needing to pass the ball to come from behind, or pass because the run has been shut down, Mike Vick cannot get it done. From a fantasy perspective, that's back, but from a football perspective, that's worse.

Flanker types never take big hits, right Chad Johnson?The best point you made is concerning the passing from behind issue. However, the Falcons appear to be strong enough in all facets to rarely see multiple score deficits in the second half of their games that require traditional two-minute drills.

 

[delusional]

No, it's not the classic triple option, but it's still exposing your QB to many hits from 300 lb guys running 4.7's that they need's be taking, what 10-15 times a game? The difference between this and having him be a flanker type of player is that he's generally going to be getting the ball in space, having to elude 1 guy, which is usually not going to be a lineman, or 3. I love Mike Vick as an athlete, and his elusive ability. I just don't like him as a passer, or QB. He's got a strong arm, but he cannot read defenses. He's shown that time and again. He occasionally makes a good throw, but he makes far more bad throws. The way they're running the offense this year, they've all but conceded this. With the game on the line, and Atlanta needing to pass the ball to come from behind, or pass because the run has been shut down, Mike Vick cannot get it done. From a fantasy perspective, that's back, but from a football perspective, that's worse.

Flanker types never take big hits, right Chad Johnson?The best point you made is concerning the passing from behind issue. However, the Falcons appear to be strong enough in all facets to rarely see multiple score deficits in the second half of their games that require traditional two-minute drills.

CJ took a dirty hit though, surprised that guy wasnt fined yet.

 

[The Jerk]

No, it's not the classic triple option, but it's still exposing your QB to many hits from 300 lb guys running 4.7's that they need's be taking, what 10-15 times a game? The difference between this and having him be a flanker type of player is that he's generally going to be getting the ball in space, having to elude 1 guy, which is usually not going to be a lineman, or 3. I love Mike Vick as an athlete, and his elusive ability. I just don't like him as a passer, or QB. He's got a strong arm, but he cannot read defenses. He's shown that time and again. He occasionally makes a good throw, but he makes far more bad throws. The way they're running the offense this year, they've all but conceded this. With the game on the line, and Atlanta needing to pass the ball to come from behind, or pass because the run has been shut down, Mike Vick cannot get it done. From a fantasy perspective, that's back, but from a football perspective, that's worse.

Flanker types never take big hits, right Chad Johnson?The best point you made is concerning the passing from behind issue. However, the Falcons appear to be strong enough in all facets to rarely see multiple score deficits in the second half of their games that require traditional two-minute drills.

CJ took a dirty hit though, surprised that guy wasnt fined yet.

I'm not sure how that changes my point. Trent Green's hit was borderline. Whether or not Green slid late, the defender made no effort to pull back as the rules require. Either way (and yes the league said it was not dirty) Green is still hurt.And I will readily agree that the dirty hit out of bounds or late on a sliding Vick is one of the increased injury risks he faces as he runs more often.

 

[lod2005]

Manning

Manning

Palmer

McNabb

Brady

Nope don't see in in there anywhere.

 

[David Yudkin]

ManningManningPalmerMcNabbBradyNope don't see in in there anywhere.

BRADY???? I don't see it. He has the worst receiving corps in the league at the moment. He's currently 14th but would have needed almost twice the points to get in the Top 5 (through two games). NE will be winning (or losing) this year on the strength of the running game. And his stats so far have been against so-so competition.Not saying he'll be a total bomb, but I would be very surprised to see Brady in the Top 5 this year. remember, before last year he ranked in the 8-12 range each year.

 

[The Jerk]

ManningManningPalmerMcNabbBradyNope don't see in in there anywhere.

You might be right come December, on the other hand so far, even though it's only two games:

1 QB  McNabb,Donovan	PHI	56.0 2 QB  Manning,Peyton	IND	49.0 3 QB  Manning,Eli	   NYG	49.0 6 QB  Vick,Michael	  ATL	46.1 15 QB  Palmer,Carson	CIN	30.0 16 QB  Brady,Tom		NE	 29.4

 

[-jb-]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.

So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent.

For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.

With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.

Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.

I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".

For selfish reasons obviously.

Interesting article regarding consistency of QBs...Crank Scores

Vick is #7 among active QBs in terms of consistency.

 

[The Jerk]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.

So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent.

For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.

With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.

Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.

I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".

For selfish reasons obviously.

Interesting article regarding consistency of QBs...Crank Scores

Vick is #7 among active QBs in terms of consistency.

#7 last year, but #13 over 2003-2005.Also, any list in which Culpepper leads is highly dubious, more for the fact that things change quickly in FF. The only think CRANK-y right now about Culpepper is his fantasy owner(s).

 

[deadstick]

In Mora's post-game press conference he noted that the thing he was most impressed about was that Vick didn't take a single hit (when running the ball) while going over 100 yds and that the coaching staff had been stressing that he should be getting out of bounds. If he keeps that up, his health should withstand better.

I didn't watch the game so I don't know if he really never got hit (besides sacks) myself, just going by what Junior said.

 

[-jb-]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.

So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent.

For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.

With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.

Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.

I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".

For selfish reasons obviously.

Interesting article regarding consistency of QBs...Crank Scores

Vick is #7 among active QBs in terms of consistency.

#7 last year, but #13 over 2003-2005.Also, any list in which Culpepper leads is highly dubious, more for the fact that things change quickly in FF. The only think CRANK-y right now about Culpepper is his fantasy owner(s).

point taken. could we not deduce from this, however, that crankpepper is on the decline and vick is on the rise in terms of development/production?

 

[lod2005]

ManningManningPalmerMcNabbBradyNope don't see in in there anywhere.

BRADY???? I don't see it. He has the worst receiving corps in the league at the moment. He's currently 14th but would have needed almost twice the points to get in the Top 5 (through two games). NE will be winning (or losing) this year on the strength of the running game. And his stats so far have been against so-so competition.Not saying he'll be a total bomb, but I would be very surprised to see Brady in the Top 5 this year. remember, before last year he ranked in the 8-12 range each year.

Actually I hope not too since I have the 2007 #1 pick of the guy with Brady. He's 0-2. Hello Calvin Johnson.But there will DEFINATELY be 5 QB's ahead of Vick and most likely 10. Remember, he will get hurt as he always does. He almost got taken out last week at the goal line.I would say Grossman but he will most likely get hurt too.

 

[The Jerk]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.

So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent.

For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.

With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.

Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.

I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".

For selfish reasons obviously.

Interesting article regarding consistency of QBs...Crank Scores

Vick is #7 among active QBs in terms of consistency.

#7 last year, but #13 over 2003-2005.Also, any list in which Culpepper leads is highly dubious, more for the fact that things change quickly in FF. The only think CRANK-y right now about Culpepper is his fantasy owner(s).

point taken. could we not deduce from this, however, that crankpepper is on the decline and vick is on the rise in terms of development/production?

I agree with you, and I think we're on the same side in this thread.I'm a newly confirmed Vick fan. I've always been down on him as being inconsistent, but I looked into it this offseason, and with some help from other FBGs, realized he's actually more consistent than the average QB.

 

[David Yudkin]

ManningManningPalmerMcNabbBradyNope don't see in in there anywhere.

BRADY???? I don't see it. He has the worst receiving corps in the league at the moment. He's currently 14th but would have needed almost twice the points to get in the Top 5 (through two games). NE will be winning (or losing) this year on the strength of the running game. And his stats so far have been against so-so competition.Not saying he'll be a total bomb, but I would be very surprised to see Brady in the Top 5 this year. remember, before last year he ranked in the 8-12 range each year.

Actually I hope not too since I have the 2007 #1 pick of the guy with Brady. He's 0-2. Hello Calvin Johnson.But there will DEFINATELY be 5 QB's ahead of Vick and most likely 10. Remember, he will get hurt as he always does. He almost got taken out last week at the goal line.I would say Grossman but he will most likely get hurt too.

From 2004 - Present, only the following QB have played in more games than Vick (who has played in 32 games):Bledsoe, Brady, Carr, Delhomme, Favre, Manning, Plummer - 34 gamesBrees - 33 gamesIn that time span, Vick is ranked 9th in fantasy points scored.We could go around and around on this all day, so let's just say we agree to disagree on this one.

 

[belljr]

I'm not sure he'll have "off games" but just from riding this Vick ride he'll have 2 good games then a couple not so much.

You mean sort of like every quarterback?

lol. Good point however I could be too focused on my own scoring system.His down weeks are very bad compared to other QB's down weeks.So in the end he's a top 6 QB but it's boom or bust not consistent. For example in our league Plummer avg only 1.5 points a week less than Vick last year.With one big week but the rest were say 9-13 range every week.Vick would be 23, 19, 2, 4, 20, 5.I'm definitely on the VIck bandwagon I just am hoping his "down" games are a little more "respectable".For selfish reasons obviously.

My scoring system is pretty close to standard FBG, and Vick only had two games of single digit points last year. Peyton and Eli both had 4. The fact that he's more boom or bust is pretty much a myth.

i stand corrected sort of. 2005 he was ranked #6 in our scoring with 3 single digit weeks.Manning also had 3.For some reason I was looking at our 2004 stats when Vick was 11th and it looked like this:9,19,6, 7,5,23, 7,27,14,21,26,7,7,22,6A headache of a year. 2005 was much better.And I'm a VIck supporter

 

[The Jerk]

i stand corrected sort of. 2005 he was ranked #6 in our scoring with 3 single digit weeks.Manning also had 3.For some reason I was looking at our 2004 stats when Vick was 11th and it looked like this:9,19,6, 7,5,23, 7,27,14,21,26,7,7,22,6A headache of a year. 2005 was much better.And I'm a VIck supporter

This is all another good reminder of what Drinen and company have stated concerning that consistency during one season has no correlation with consistency (or the lack thereof) in the previous or following season.