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LHUCKS 4th Annual FBG Rankings Critique (1 Viewer)

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I have much love for Joe, David and the FBG site in general and this series of critiques by no means is intended to be an analysis of negative tone. FBG is easily the best fantasy football product available and if I didn’t respect the opinions of the staff and ownership here I wouldn’t be composing this analysis.

The rankings look stellar this year, so good that I’m going to add a twist to the format giving more props to those rankings that I see as those that differentiate FBG from the “competition.” For each position I’m adding an “FBG Shark Ranking.” A ranking that I see as a shark type raking that I believe differentiates FBG from the other ff services/publications.

As many of you know I’ve had a fair amount of success in FBG related leagues but there are always a few new guys to the board that get in these threads and try to derail them away from the intended discussion by questioning my expertise. This year I’m going to try to nip that in the bud by listing my finishes in FBG related leagues, ALL of which had FBG staff members and other well known sharks as the competition. My hope is that this is not perceived as showboating, but rather as an attempt to silence the haters in advance so that the discussion can be more focused on ff and not the credentials of LHUCKS. I’m not here to win a popularity contest, I’m here so that I can be better than my competition at fantasy football…period. Here are my finishes:

1st Place of 12 - FBG forum Challenge

1st Place of 16 - Anarchy Invitational

1st Place of 16 - SSL3

4th Place of 16 - WSL1

2nd Place/leading scorer of 32 - Staff v. Messageboard

2nd Place of 16 - MBSL4

2nd Place of 12/leading scorer - GSOS

2nd Place of 12 - EBF Invitational

And now for the good stuff, I hope you enjoy.

[SIZE=21pt]FBG Shark Ranking - Excellent Ranking by the FBG Staff [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]1) Matt Hasselbeck Ranked #2 [/SIZE]

ESPN Ranking: #5

CBS Sportsline Ranking: #3

So you may think I’m nitpicking here given the relatively small differences in the site rankings, but it’s the little things that differentiate the champion in your fantasy football league from the second place finisher. Last year I had Culpepper ranked lower than most at #5…that ranking was just low enough to ensure that he would not be on any of my fantasy teams and I in turn didn’t end up with a bust of a pick in the early rounds. The same principle can be applied to this situation.

Let’s take a look at the three players the other websites ranked ahead of Hasselbeck not named Peyton.

McNabb(ranked higher by ESPN)- Has missed on average 3.5 games over the last four years

- Reid has made it very clear he wants a more balanced offense with less passing and more rushing

- Suspect WR Crew

Brady(Ranked higher by both CBS and ESPN)

- Coming off a career year where he had roughly 400 more yards passing than in each of the previous two years, historical precedent seems to favor a more conservative offense

- Suspect WR depth with the loss of Givens

- A healthy Dillon with the addition of Maroney should make for an improved rushing game enabling a more conservative offense

- Defense should be improved, which should enable BB to call more of his type of game, which means less passing based on previous years.

Culpepper(ranked higher by ESPN) :lmao:

– With injury concerns I’m not going to address this ranking

Now let’s look at Hasselbeck’s last three years:

                +---------------------------------------+-----------------+                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2003 sea |  16 |   313   513  61.0  3844   7.5  26  15 |    36   125   2 || 2004 sea |  14 |   279   474  58.9  3382   7.1  22  15 |    27    90   1 || 2005 sea |  16 |   294   449  65.5  3455   7.7  24   9 |    36   124   1 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+As you can see his yards per game took a hit compared to previous years as he had significantly fewer pass attempts. There are three reasons for this as I see it. 1) The Seattle Defense was much improved

2) Seattle had one of the softest rushing schedules in the entire NFL last year, not to mention relatively weak opponents which allowed them to get up early and run, run, run in the second half.

3) Darrel Jackson was injured and nearly all of the other WRs battled injury throughout the season.

In general I believe we can expect the Seahawks to revert back to their more pass-oriented offense for several reasons:

- With Jackson healthy and with an added weapon in Burleson, Holmgren will be more inclined to pass the ball.

-With a tougher schedule IMHO, I expect closer games and as a result more passing which is what we’ve seen from Holmgren's Hawks in the past.

- The loss of Hutchinson will not enable the Hawks to be quite as effective on the ground.

In conclusion I see FBG’s #2 ranking of Hasselbeck as a “Shark” type ranking as a lot of people will look at last year’s stats and conclude that he’s not worthy of the ranking. I’ve provided the main reasons why I believe otherwise. Hasselbeck may not finish #2 next year, but his risk is so low that when you couple it with all of the positive factors I’ve hilighted above I believe he has the best chance of finishing #2.

Nice job FBG. :hifive:

[SIZE=21pt]OVERRATED[/SIZE]

[SIZE=17pt]1) Marc Bulger Ranked #6[/SIZE]

Quite frankly I think Bulger is a huge risk this year for several reasons.

a) The former starter for Linehan was coincidentally one of the first free agent signings brought in by the Rams

b) Bulger can’t stay healthy, not because of Martz’ schemes, but because he’s built like a librarian and lacks elusiveness...he's missed about 4 games on average over the last three years. With an experienced Frerotte backing him up Bulger wont exactly be hurried back into the lineup should another injury occur.

c) New systems almost always take time to digest, don’t expect Bulger to come out with guns blazing.

d) Linehan’s offense was fairly balanced last year as Miami ranked 16th in total passing yards, nowhere close to #6.

There are other QBs with as much or more upside than Bulger with half the risk. I think you’ll be disappointed if you’re expecting top 6 numbers from Bulger.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Levin at #2 and Wimer at #3

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Norton, Smith and Rudnicki all at #9 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #10

[SIZE=17pt]2) Donovan McNabb Ranked #4[/SIZE]

Let’s take a look at McNabb’s yearly totals before TO rode into town:

                +---------------------------------------+-----------------+                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2000 phi |  16 |   330   569  58.0  3365   5.9  21  13 |    86   629   6 || 2001 phi |  16 |   285   493  57.8  3233   6.6  25  12 |    82   482   2 || 2002 phi |  10 |   211   361  58.4  2289   6.3  17   6 |    63   460   6 || 2003 phi |  16 |   275   478  57.5  3216   6.7  16  11 |    71   355   3 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+Note the following:- McNabb has never thrown for 3400 yards without TO(although on pace in ’02)

- His rushing yards have been in steady decline

- He has missed 3.5 games on average over the past four years

Additionally, Reid has said he’d like to balance the offense more and who can blame him with that very suspect group of WRs and McNabb's recent injury woes.

What exactly is screaming #4 fantasy QB here? His career TD’s/game is a nice stat, but I just don’t see the upside here given the limited weaponry and his inability to stay healthy. Somebody else can take on that risk.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Bloom, Norton, Henry, Lammey all at #2

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Smith #8, Brown #12 :hifive:

LHUCKS Ranking: #8

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[SIZE=14pt]1) Drew Bledsoe Ranked #10[/SIZE]

Drew finished #6 in scoring last year and now he has TO. Let’s take a look at what TO did for McNabb’s numbers in '04 and '05:

                +---------------------------------------+-----------------+                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2000 phi |  16 |   330   569  58.0  3365   5.9  21  13 |    86   629   6 || 2001 phi |  16 |   285   493  57.8  3233   6.6  25  12 |    82   482   2 || 2002 phi |  10 |   211   361  58.4  2289   6.3  17   6 |    63   460   6 || 2003 phi |  16 |   275   478  57.5  3216   6.7  16  11 |    71   355   3 || 2004 phi |  15 |   300   469  64.0  3875   8.3  31   8 |    41   220   3 || 2005 phi |   9 |   211   357  59.1  2507   7.0  16   9 |    25    55   1 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+The analysis is really that simple for me. There aren’t any other significant changes in Dallas to warrant downgrading Bledsoe. One might argue that you could have the “Seattle effect” as the Dallas D is improving and Cowboys’ passing could be limited in second halves, but that is not nearly enough for me to downgrade my #5 ranked QB. Throw in the fact that Bledsoe never gets injured and you’ve got yourself a very nice low risk/high reward pick. Staff With Highest Ranking: Shick, Smith, Lammey, Wood all at #6 :hifive:

Staff With Lowest Ranking: Baker #17, Bloom #16 and Brown #15

LHUCKS Ranking: #5

[SIZE=17pt]2) Byron Leftwich Ranked #18[/SIZE]

Lefty showed a marked improvement last year before succumbing to a minor injury late in the season…he was on pace for roughly 3100 yards and 22 TDs giving him a ppg that was good enough for 8th in the league in what was only his third season in the NFL. Throw in the facts that you’ve got a very deep, maturing WR crew in addition to some added weapons in Mercedes Lewis and Maurice Drew and I think you’ve got the potential here for a breakout season.

Even if Leftwich doesn’t improve his efficiency he’ll be hovering around the #10 mark IMHO and an expectation of an increase in efficiency shouldn’t be out of the question considering this will only be his fourth year in the league.

I believe Byron is one of the next great gunslingers in the league…don’t be surprised if he puts up 3600 and 30 in just his 4th year in the League.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Bloom at #8 :eek: :hifive:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Smith and Shick at #22

LHUCKS Ranking: #11

[SIZE=17pt]3) Jon Kitna #25[/SIZE]

Let’s take a look at Jon’s last two years as an NFL starter:

                +---------------------------------------+-----------------+                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2002 cin |  14 |   294   473  62.2  3178   6.7  16  16 |    24    57   4 || 2003 cin |  16 |   324   520  62.3  3591   6.9  26  15 |    38   113   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+Not too shabby heh?Last year’s #25 QB had 2000 passing yards and 12 TDs…Kitna will have this by game 12 with any luck. For the last three years under Martz the Rams offense passed for over 4000 yards. One can come up with a lot of excuses as to why Kitna will not be a top 20 QB, but when you’re looking at the possible upside that Detroit’s situation offers, Kitna is worth significantly more to me than the #25 QB off the board.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Mike Brown #8 :pickle:

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Bloom #34, Rudnick/Norton/Hicks #28

LHUCKS Ranking: #18

Those are the QBs...what say you??

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I was running this stat to take a look at Bledsoe, but to me JP Losman's result is the most surprising. (Joey Harrington, too. And Eli Manning.)

Here are fantasy points per pass attempt in the final five games of the 2005 season:

1 Matt Hasselbeck 0.8609375

2 Ben Roethlisberger 0.729017857

3 Tom Brady 0.651048951

4 J.P. Losman 0.640566038

5 Jake Delhomme 0.635984848

6 Peyton Manning 0.624107143

7 Trent Green 0.623129252

8 David Garrard 0.622535211

9 Mark Brunell 0.601904762

10 Joey Harrington 0.592028986

11 Jake Plummer 0.559859155

12 Jim Sorgi 0.550806452

13 Michael Vick 0.538489209

14 Kyle Boller 0.535542169

15 Carson Palmer 0.531756757

16 Josh McCown 0.525595238

17 Kelly Holcomb 0.509708738

18 Gus Frerotte 0.505343511

19 Drew Brees 0.495779221

20 Brad Johnson 0.488961039

21 Mike McMahon 0.470522388

22 Billy Volek 0.469090909

23 Kurt Warner 0.46875

24 Charlie Frye 0.460784314

25 Drew Bledsoe 0.456790123

26 Brooks Bollinger 0.450344828

27 Steve McNair 0.427192982

28 Eli Manning 0.41627907

29 Chris Simms 0.403355705

30 Kerry Collins 0.383333333

31 Jamie Martin 0.375

32 David Carr 0.360447761

33 Alex Smith 0.356956522

 
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In conclusion I see FBG’s #2 ranking of Hasselbeck as a “Shark” type ranking as a lot of people will look at last year’s stats and conclude that he’s not worthy of the ranking.  I’ve provided the main reasons why I believe otherwise.  Hasselbeck may not finish #2 next year, but his risk is so low that when you couple it with all of the positive factors I’ve hilighted above I believe he has the best chance of finishing #2. 

Nice job FBG.  :hifive:
I like Hass this year for a simpler reason I guess. I see a lot of turmoil at the top of the QB position, and Hass is like a poor man's Manning. His situation is stable and you have a pretty good idea of what he is going to do this year.
a)  The former starter for Linehan was coincidentally one of the first free agent signings brought in by the Rams

b)  Bulger can’t stay healthy, not because of Martz’ schemes, but because he’s built like a librarian and lacks elusiveness...he's missed about 4 games on average over the last three years.  With an experienced Frerotte backing him up Bulger wont exactly be hurried back into the lineup should another injury occur.
Interestingly enough, these are the very reasons I am high on the Rams WRs this year. Frerotte is the best backup QB they've had since... well Marc Bulger. Frerotte is following Linehan around like a puppy dog because he knows that system well and it has made him look good (for him).If/when Bulger goes down, there shouldn't be as much of a drop off for the STL WRs.

[SIZE=17pt]2)  Byron Leftwich Ranked #18[/SIZE]

Lefty showed a marked improvement last year before succumbing to a minor injury late in the season…he was on pace for roughly 3100 yards and 22 TDs giving him a ppg that was good enough for 8th in the league in what was only his third season in the NFL.  Throw in the facts that you’ve got a very deep, maturing WR crew in addition to some added weapons in Mercedes Lewis and Maurice Drew and I think you’ve got the potential here for a breakout season. 

Even if Leftwich doesn’t improve his efficiency he’ll be hovering around the #10 mark IMHO and an expectation of an increase in efficiency shouldn’t be out of the question considering this will only be his fourth year in the league. 

I believe Byron is one of the next great gunslingers in the league…don’t be surprised if he puts up 3600 and 30 in just his 4th year in the League.
I was bullish on him heading into 2005, because he was in a situation I love to see: uncertainty in the running game. They had to try moving the ball down the field somehow and most likely it was going to be in the passing game. On a PPG basis, this was somewhat accurate.I think the situation is similar this year. Uncertainty in the running game, although they have better idea what they can expect out of Greg Jones.

Interestingly enough, with all that high draft pick WR talent they have, it was the lowly Ernest Wilford with the 4.7 40 that emerged as a consistent #2. If Williams or Jones live up to their draft hype, great... If not, I think they are solid enough at the 1-2 WR position that it's not necessary for them to break out just yet.

As far as Kitna, I think ONE of the Detroit QBs COULD be a big steal late in the draft. Or they could just play 8 games each and be a waste.

 
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Leftwich is to injury prone to put up the numbers you have him at. He just takes to many big hits. That and Jax plays more of a ball control offense to let your defense win the game. And what about his WR crew, Jimmy Smith is enrolled with AARP, Reggie Williams is a bust and Matt Jones is still learning the position, I'm not sold.

The rest of the post is very good.

 
Leftwich is to injury prone to put up the numbers you have him at. He just takes to many big hits. That and Jax plays more of a ball control offense to let your defense win the game. And what about his WR crew, Jimmy Smith is enrolled with AARP, Reggie Williams is a bust and Matt Jones is still learning the position, I'm not sold.

The rest of the post is very good.

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lol at calling reggie williams a bust.kneejerk much?

 
Leftwich is to injury prone to put up the numbers you have him at. He just takes to many big hits.

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Definitely injury risk is a factor here and I've even tempered my ranking as a result. I wanted to rank him 8th...exactly what his ppg was ranked last year.
That and Jax plays more of a ball control offense to let your defense win the game.

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Yet he still finished 8th in ppg last year in what was only his 3rd year as a pro.
And what about his WR crew, Jimmy Smith is enrolled with AARP, Reggie Williams is a bust and Matt Jones is still learning the position, I'm not sold.

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Jimmy looked great last year and the coaching staff is high on Reggie. Matt Jones showed explosiveness last year. I guess I'm more bullish on the Jax receiving threats than most?
 
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Leftwich is to injury prone to put up the numbers you have him at. He just takes to many big hits. That and Jax plays more of a ball control offense to let your defense win the game. And what about his WR crew, Jimmy Smith is enrolled with AARP, Reggie Williams is a bust and Matt Jones is still learning the position, I'm not sold.

The rest of the post is very good.

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lol at calling reggie williams a bust.kneejerk much?

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:goodposting: Some of these WRs just need some time.

 
i really don't get the love for hasselback. i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

 
Great analysis LHUCKS. I disagree with you on just about every call except for Bledsoe. If Kitna actually ends up being the starter in Detroit, I agree with that call too. But, at this time I think McCown has at least a 35-40% chance to win the job.

 
i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006? A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.I'll spot you Peyton Manning. When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

 
I think you are right on. I wouldn't argue with anything you said.

I don't know if Hasselback will be QB 2 at the end of the year but you can get him as the 6-8 QB off the board I am sure and he will end up no lower than that and there is good reason to believe that he will finish with better stats than last year.

I really like Leftwich this year. Towards the end of the year you had Jones and Wilfork playing well and the Jags were starting to put up numbers broke the can't score 30 curse.

Even Drew is going to be a steal again this year. You don't add the best WR in the league and put up worse stats as long as TO stays on the field Drew is a guy worth having.

 
i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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It's all about risk. IMHO he has less risk than the other QBs in his tier with comparable upside.
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i agree that his consistancy is worth something, but i can't put that above what i see some other QBs putting up, especially combined with hasselback's high ADP of the 6th round.
 
I apologize if the intent of this thread is to evaluate quarterbacks. My draft was terrible, as I fell for the FBG rankings on Drew Bennett and Marcel Shipp. To round out my top 5 picks, I had Joe Horn, Deuce Mcallister and Michael Clayton. FBG did help a great deal in making up for these picks with Willie Parker and Sam Gado.

I have finished in the middle of the pack in a fourteen team redraft, in my first and only two years of fantasy football and FBG. My first draft was great, waivers horrible. My second draft was horrible, waivers were very good. I just signed up for three mroe years of FBG, but I can't say that they have helped a great deal, as I am competing against the magazine and crossed fingers crowd in this league.

 
I apologize if the intent of this thread is to evaluate quarterbacks. My draft was terrible, as I fell for the FBG rankings on Drew Bennett and Marcel Shipp. To round out my top 5 picks, I had Joe Horn, Deuce Mcallister and Michael Clayton. FBG did help a great deal in making up for these picks with Willie Parker and Sam Gado.

I have finished in the middle of the pack in a fourteen team redraft, in my first and only two years of fantasy football and FBG. My first draft was great, waivers horrible. My second draft was horrible, waivers were very good. I just signed up for three mroe years of FBG, but I can't say that they have helped a great deal, as I am competing against the magazine and crossed fingers crowd in this league.

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i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006? A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.I'll spot you Peyton Manning. When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

 
I apologize if the intent of this thread is to evaluate quarterbacks. My draft was terrible, as I fell for the FBG rankings on Drew Bennett and Marcel Shipp. To round out my top 5 picks, I had Joe Horn, Deuce Mcallister and Michael Clayton. FBG did help a great deal in making up for these picks with Willie Parker and Sam Gado.

I have finished in the middle of the pack in a fourteen team redraft, in my first and only two years of fantasy football and FBG. My first draft was great, waivers horrible. My second draft was horrible, waivers were very good. I just signed up for three mroe years of FBG, but I can't say that they have helped a great deal, as I am competing against the magazine and crossed fingers crowd in this league.

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The fact that you care enough about doing well will show up in the results at some point in the future. Keep plugging away and pick up as many concepts as possible. You'll break through soon enough and it will be worth it. Keep in mind that you'll have to do a lot of the work yourself to see the results that you desire. :thumbup:
 
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i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006? A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.I'll spot you Peyton Manning. When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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eli - my #3, insanely tough schedule, higher risk IMHObrady - solid, but I see a reversion back to the norm

mcnabb - don't like for reasons stated above

plummer - i'm on the fence with him, currently at #9

I see the second tier as follows:

Hassel

Brady

Eli

 
i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006? A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.I'll spot you Peyton Manning. When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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:confused: I thought you were low on Eli Manning for 2006?

Brady is interesting because, while he fits my criteria of rock-solid, guaranteed production, that usually was on the low end of the top 12. Pats running game falls apart, along with the simultaneous crumbling of consistently top 5ish QBs in C-Pepp, McNabb and Brooks then Brady jumps up to #2. This is new territory for Brady. Hass has been there once before, and last year probably would've been a threepeat if he hadn't been injured in 2004.

McNabb is not a guy I would feel rock solid about heading into 2006, so I guess we'll just disagree there.

Compared to McNabb, I don't have as much to say about Plummer. It's reasonable, although last year they certainly didn't appear to want him throwing much.

 
Great read, as usual, LHUCKS...

Few things I'd like to point out --

1) I agree with those pimping Hasselbeck, including yourself. He has quietly produced well the last few years, and especially last year when he lost his top weapon in Jackson, and Alexander running wild. He actually cut down on the INTs, which is encouraging.

2) Again on your analysis of Hasselbeck -- I disagree with you, and ANYONE who is pimping Burleson -- you said he's "an added weapon" but what has he proven? That he can't hack it in Minnesota indoors under a dome, is what he proved -- he was looked upon as the one to fill Randy Moss' role, and he flopped horribly -- I don't think he'll do badly, and may do fairly well, but right now I disagree with anyone saying he'll be a big weapon this year

3) A final word on Hasselbeck -- I'd also like to point out and agree with you in that they will likely go a bit more towards a pass attack this year, for all the reasons you pointed out, but also to help preserve Alexander -- he just signed a monster contract and is coming off one of the greatest seasons ever by a RB -- they will want to protect their investment, and prolong his career by running a bit less IMO

4) I totally agree with you on Bulger -- injuries are a big concern for him -- I was surprised they didn't try to move up in the draft to nab Leinart or Cutler -- then again, I'll bet if one landed in their laps when they picked, they would have, and nearly did -- I think your ranking of him is right on

5) I agree with you on McNabb -- injuries is a concern -- once again, his WR corps doesn't scare ANYONE -- I think what will keep him in the top 10 is that he's a mobile QB and will go back to running more and will score more rushing TDs without TO

6) I agree on Bledsoe -- everyone thought he was washed up in Buffalo, but it's quite obvious that it was the paper mache offensive line that was the problem, not him -- with a good O-line in Dallas, and a monster weapon in TO, he'll be a huge pickup in many drafts

7) I also agree on Leftwich -- maybe a bit high, but I think with another year under his belt, and some weapons, he'll be a nice mid-round steal at QB for many

8) Finally, I agree on Kitna -- assuming he'll be the starter this year (and I see no reason why he won't be), he has the weapons there -- it's more of a matter of whether they will wake up and stop acting like little babies in Detroit and start playing

Overall, great job! :thumbup:

 
i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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Hasselbeck knows the offense like the back of his hand, is extremely efficient, and just a very good overall qb. He's underrated in large part due to the fact that the team could run at will so why pass. The two risks I see for Hass that I see is that 1) the line doesn't take a huge hit with the loss of Hutch and still runs at will thus Hass's #'s stay about the same and/or 2) the defense improves (with the offseason they had it looks like it should) and Seattle is not forced to put the ball in the air to win games. I see scenario #2 as more likely.

 
Great job LHUCKS. I was surprised to that I'm among the lower rankings on Leftwich. I actually have him at 18th though, not 22nd.. Clayton is the next column over, which is where you probably got that from. lol..

I have a difficult time keeping Leftwich that low.. I love his potential and as you pointed out his PPG was not shabby at all. Garrard even tore it up when he played, though he adds a whole new dimension (rushing) that Lefty doesn't bring to the table.

With Mcnabb, Brady, Eli and Hasselbeck I keep on changing my mind. I don't see a lot of separation between these QBs. I think Brady might be the safest pick, but Eli and McNabb (for me) have more upside.

Once I get my projections done, I'll have a better grasp on tiering and the spread between some of these rankings.

Again, nice job.. looking forward to the rest of the critiques.

 
Great analysis LHUCKS and thanks for sharing your thoughts. :thumbup:I do have some comments to add.

Last year I had Culpepper ranked lower than most at #5…that ranking was just low enough to ensure that he would not be on any of my fantasy teams and I in turn didn’t end up with a bust of a pick in the early rounds.  The same principle can be applied to this situation.
When people say they were right because someone got injured I start to question what the point is. Predicting injuries is nothing more than a guessing game. I'm not sure if your saying you felt he would get injured or not but you seem to be suggesting that was the reason for your ranking of him last year. I don't really follow that. If you thought he was going to be injured then why rank him as your 5? It seem contradictory to say that now after ranking him at 5.Hasselback at 2 is too high. I can agree with someone putting him at 5 based on performance and low risk factor but not 2. There is nothing to support a #2 ranking. Nothing in the past nor anything in the future supports placing him here. It's interesting how you use "past performance" to support Brady's abberation and then do an about face on Hasselbeck and ignore past performance to support a theory of increased performance. I can understand a bump but not all the way to #2. Now if the low risk factor is making the difference then I'd be concerned about weighing risk to heavily.I think your arguments about Bulger are accurate. Just the fact that he can't stay healthy and has yet to play 16 games leaves you nervous about him. When combined with the other factors you presented I can undeestand a lower ranking but at 11? Serious?. Still that talent and that offense is too good to leave much lower than 6-8.McNabb is one I can full understand as well. Injuries have been a problem in playing 16 games 3 out of 7 years. That's so Bulgeresque. However he did rank top 10 on 2 occaisions without TO so it can be down but with risk. Your ranking is lower than mine but I can understand why.Bledsoe is listed by you as underrated. In fact he appears to be overrated IMO. So he came off a top 6 scoring last year and now he has TO. So you think he's going to do better? Message to world, Parcells is the coach and he likes to run 1st and pass conservatively. I doubt PArcells will change too much from what he's done in the past. I couls be wrong on that part and if he does then all bets are off.Looking back, Parcels has had 4 years out of 18 whereby his teams threw for 4000 or more yards. And his teams have only thrown 30 TD's 1 time and over 25 5 other times. That's not much.Further, Bledsoe has had exactly 3 of 13 seasons of 4000 yards or more passing and has thrown for 25 TD's only 3 times.Parcells has publically said (paraphrasing) "TO will not catch 100 balls in this offense. That's not what we do". To will no doubt be used to open up the running game as well. Just having him on the field helps with that.No I expect things will tend to repeat themselves and that Parcels will do what he's always doen and Bledsoe will what he's always done. What will be different is that when they throw they look for TO first and foremost and will let him make plays.Lerftwich is another example of how you like to twist reality to make your point. With Lefty you choose to discount his injuries and say he will do beter. Whereas with Bulger you used it against him. Neither have stayed healthy and yet Bulger has outproduced him in every way measured and yet you rank Lefty ahead of him. Actually you have them both ranked at 11? Now it's even more wierd. So how do you discount annual injuries with 1 guy only to disregard them with another? Are guessing who's going to get injured?Just curious because I want to learn from your expertise. You've proven to me that you can play but I'm questioning the reasons you've listed. Not intending to be overly critical but rather create a learning environment so I too can be better than the competition.Thanks!
 
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Some thoughts. You site Brady as having lost weapons in the passing game and site great gains in the running game with Dillon healthy and Maroney via the draft. Why did you not note that NE spent 3 of its 1st 4 picks in the draft on WR, TE, TE? Not only did they draft to add weapons, they TRADED up for Jackson! I see Brady having more weapons, better depth and better talent surounding him in the passing game.... not less. Now, will NE need to pass as often? Well I guess we'll have to see on that. I think you only showed half the information on that part though.

There seems to be a condradiction in regards to you being down on Bulger but high on Lefty IMO too. You site Bulger's inability to stay healthy as reaon #1 for his overranking (McNabb a bit too). I totally agree as a Bulger owner and it's frustrating because he is always amoung the top 5 QBs... then goes down. Lefty however has never played a full season in the NFL and you do not site this at all for him. What gives?

 
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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006?  A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.

I'll spot you Peyton Manning.  When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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brady

mcnabb

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and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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There's another guy I'd put on the list before most of the guys bagger mentioned. I seem to be a lot higher on him than anyone else is this year. But he's coming off his third straight 4,000 yard season. His team leads the NFL in total yards over the last five years (since this QB became the starter) and is second in points over that period. He leads the entire NFL in total passing yards over the past three seasons -- Manning is second.He's not getting a lot of love, but I think he's a pretty low risk.

 
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How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006?  A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.

I'll spot you Peyton Manning.  When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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There's another guy I'd put on the list before most of the guys bagger mentioned. I seem to be a lot higher on him than anyone else is this year. But he's coming off his third straight 4,000 yard season. His team leads the NFL in total yards over the last five years (since this QB became the starter) and is second in points over that period. He leads the entire NFL in total passing yards over the past three seasons -- Manning is second.He's not getting a lot of love, but I think he's a pretty low risk.

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Hurts him to lose Al.
 
How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006?  A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.

I'll spot you Peyton Manning.  When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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There's another guy I'd put on the list before most of the guys bagger mentioned. I seem to be a lot higher on him than anyone else is this year. But he's coming off his third straight 4,000 yard season. His team leads the NFL in total yards over the last five years (since this QB became the starter) and is second in points over that period. He leads the entire NFL in total passing yards over the past three seasons -- Manning is second.He's not getting a lot of love, but I think he's a pretty low risk.

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Hurts him to lose Al.
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It'll be the same offensive system, however.Also, I neglected to mention his durability as another reason for his low risk. He's got the third-longest starting streak (80 games) going behind only Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

 
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Great job as always. But I've had a burning question for a long time, and I now shall ask it:

Exactly how do I pronounce LHUCKS???

(This is my little way of :blackdot: )

 
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With Mcnabb, Brady, Eli and Hasselbeck I keep on changing my mind. I don't see a lot of separation between these QBs. I think Brady might be the safest pick, but Eli and McNabb (for me) have more upside.

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Yeah that's a pretty tight tier, although I have McNabb one tier lower.
 
Great job as always.  But I've had a burning question for a long time, and I now shall ask it: 

Exactly how do I pronounce LHUCKS???

(This is my little way of  :blackdot:   )

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L(like letter L) - HUCKS Nickname which is a shortened version of my real name...started with my Freshman football coach.

 
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It'll be the same offensive system, however.

Also, I neglected to mention his durability as another reason for his low risk. He's got the third-longest starting streak (80 games) going behind only Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

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Herm is a more conservative coach though, and one would expect that the defense is eventually going to get better. I have him in my 3rd tier and believe that his fbg ranking is about right.
 
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i really don't get the love for hasselback.  i can see an upside of #5 but nothing higher than that.

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He was the #4 QB in the league back in 2002, and that was with considerably more competition at the top of the QB ratings (Manning, Culpepper, and McNabb were all considered in a league of their own, fantasy-wise).So in other words... same offense, same supporting cast (minus Robinson, which was addition by subtraction), and less competition from other QBs, and suddenly Hasselback's upside is lower than what he's already achieved?

 
I apologize if the intent of this thread is to evaluate quarterbacks. My draft was terrible, as I fell for the FBG rankings on Drew Bennett and Marcel Shipp. To round out my top 5 picks, I had Joe Horn, Deuce Mcallister and Michael Clayton. FBG did help a great deal in making up for these picks with Willie Parker and Sam Gado.

I have finished in the middle of the pack in a fourteen team redraft, in my first and only two years of fantasy football and FBG. My first draft was great, waivers horrible. My second draft was horrible, waivers were very good. I just signed up for three mroe years of FBG, but I can't say that they have helped a great deal, as I am competing against the magazine and crossed fingers crowd in this league.

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So the purpose of this thread is not to critique the FBG rankings?
 
How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006?  A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.

I'll spot you Peyton Manning.  When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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There's another guy I'd put on the list before most of the guys bagger mentioned. I seem to be a lot higher on him than anyone else is this year. But he's coming off his third straight 4,000 yard season. His team leads the NFL in total yards over the last five years (since this QB became the starter) and is second in points over that period. He leads the entire NFL in total passing yards over the past three seasons -- Manning is second.He's not getting a lot of love, but I think he's a pretty low risk.

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I think he's low risk, but +Herm Edwards -Al Saunders scares me just a WEE bit. Used to love getting Trent Green in the 7th round though. He was to QBs what Tiki was to RBs.He's close to that tier of rock solid dependable guys, but he has a few more ??? than a Hasselbeck.

 
Also...

This thread reminds me of that scene in Matrix when Mouse yells out "Morpheus is fighting Neo!" and the whole crew rushes into the room to watch the fight.

"LHUCKS is critiquing FBGs!"

 
Well done, I hope you're heads on with Bledsoe...he'll be dynasty gold for me for at least one more year...

...by the way, was checking your credentials...missed where you finished in No Mercy-Grubs last year... :excited:

 
How many QBs can you rank above Hasselbeck, that you feel rock solid about their production heading into 2006?  A guy that when you hear his name, you can just rattle off what his expected production should be without having to think hard about coaching/personnel changes.

I'll spot you Peyton Manning.  When you hear his name, you think 4,000+ yards and 28+ TDs in the bank.

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elipeyton

brady

mcnabb

plummer

and a couple other potential break out QBs who are more risk/reward but can get at a much lower draft price to compensate you for it.

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There's another guy I'd put on the list before most of the guys bagger mentioned. I seem to be a lot higher on him than anyone else is this year. But he's coming off his third straight 4,000 yard season. His team leads the NFL in total yards over the last five years (since this QB became the starter) and is second in points over that period. He leads the entire NFL in total passing yards over the past three seasons -- Manning is second.He's not getting a lot of love, but I think he's a pretty low risk.

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With Green's age I'm not sure you can continue to say he's low risk. Eventually it's going to affect him I felt he showed signs at times last year.
 
Great analysis LHUCKS and thanks for sharing your thoughts. :thumbup:

I do have some comments to add.

Last year I had Culpepper ranked lower than most at #5…that ranking was just low enough to ensure that he would not be on any of my fantasy teams and I in turn didn’t end up with a bust of a pick in the early rounds.  The same principle can be applied to this situation.
When people say they were right because someone got injured I start to question what the point is. Predicting injuries is nothing more than a guessing game. I'm not sure if your saying you felt he would get injured or not but you seem to be suggesting that was the reason for your ranking of him last year. I don't really follow that. If you thought he was going to be injured then why rank him as your 5? It seem contradictory to say that now after ranking him at 5.Hasselback at 2 is too high. I can agree with someone putting him at 5 based on performance and low risk factor but not 2. There is nothing to support a #2 ranking. Nothing in the past nor anything in the future supports placing him here. It's interesting how you use "past performance" to support Brady's abberation and then do an about face on Hasselbeck and ignore past performance to support a theory of increased performance. I can understand a bump but not all the way to #2. Now if the low risk factor is making the difference then I'd be concerned about weighing risk to heavily.

I think your arguments about Bulger are accurate. Just the fact that he can't stay healthy and has yet to play 16 games leaves you nervous about him. When combined with the other factors you presented I can undeestand a lower ranking but at 11? Serious?. Still that talent and that offense is too good to leave much lower than 6-8.

McNabb is one I can full understand as well. Injuries have been a problem in playing 16 games 3 out of 7 years. That's so Bulgeresque. However he did rank top 10 on 2 occaisions without TO so it can be down but with risk. Your ranking is lower than mine but I can understand why.

Bledsoe is listed by you as underrated. In fact he appears to be overrated IMO. So he came off a top 6 scoring last year and now he has TO. So you think he's going to do better? Message to world, Parcells is the coach and he likes to run 1st and pass conservatively. I doubt PArcells will change too much from what he's done in the past. I couls be wrong on that part and if he does then all bets are off.

Looking back, Parcels has had 4 years out of 18 whereby his teams threw for 4000 or more yards. And his teams have only thrown 30 TD's 1 time and over 25 5 other times. That's not much.

Further, Bledsoe has had exactly 3 of 13 seasons of 4000 yards or more passing and has thrown for 25 TD's only 3 times.

Parcells has publically said (paraphrasing) "TO will not catch 100 balls in this offense. That's not what we do".

To will no doubt be used to open up the running game as well. Just having him on the field helps with that.

No I expect things will tend to repeat themselves and that Parcels will do what he's always doen and Bledsoe will what he's always done. What will be different is that when they throw they look for TO first and foremost and will let him make plays.

Lerftwich is another example of how you like to twist reality to make your point. With Lefty you choose to discount his injuries and say he will do beter. Whereas with Bulger you used it against him. Neither have stayed healthy and yet Bulger has outproduced him in every way measured and yet you rank Lefty ahead of him. Actually you have them both ranked at 11? Now it's even more wierd.

So how do you discount annual injuries with 1 guy only to disregard them with another? Are guessing who's going to get injured?

Just curious because I want to learn from your expertise. You've proven to me that you can play but I'm questioning the reasons you've listed. Not intending to be overly critical but rather create a learning environment so I too can be better than the competition.

Thanks!

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Bump for editing. I would like to hear your thoughts.
 
[SIZE=17pt]1)  Marc Bulger Ranked #6[/SIZE]

LHUCKS Ranking:  #11

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[SIZE=17pt]2)  Byron Leftwich Ranked #18[/SIZE]

LHUCKS Ranking: #11

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Clarify? Is Bulger 11 or Lefty? I'm guessing 11a and 11b? :) While I respectfully disagree about Bulger being quite that low, I think the reasoning is sound for a slight drop. I still think the composite of 6 is about where I expect him to end the year. Great work as always, and sorry if someone else already pointed that out (perused the replies and didn't see it mentioned).

 

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