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LHUCKS' 5th Annual FBG Rankings Critique (1 Viewer)

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I have much love for Joe, David and the FBG site in general and this series of critiques is by no means intended to be an analysis of negative tone. FBG is easily the best fantasy football product available and if I didn’t respect the opinions of the staff and ownership here I wouldn’t be composing this analysis.

Part I: The Quarterbacks

OVERRATED

Willis McGahee Ranked #13

Willis McGahee is a mediocre running back. I’m not stating this because it has “shock value”, rather I’m stating it because it’s true. He rarely makes people miss in space, he appears to have lost his breakaway speed and he is not that great on the goal line. To make matters worse he’s a sub par pass catching back. Let’s take a look at Willis’ mediocre career:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 buf | 16 | 284 1128 4.0 13 | 22 169 7.7 0 || 2005 buf | 16 | 325 1247 3.8 5 | 28 178 6.4 0 || 2006 buf | 14 | 259 990 3.8 6 | 18 156 8.7 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 46 | 868 3365 3.9 24 | 68 503 7.4 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+So Willis has averaged a blistering 3.9 yards per carry with 8 TDs throughout his career despite an average of 290 carries each of his three years. I base a lot of my analysis on what I see and throughout this preseason and even over the last couple of seasons Willis just doesn’t look that special. He’s a nice consistent power back but he just doesn’t represent the upside you want out of your #13 running back…from a yardage perspective or a TD perspective. Expect slightly better numbers than what Jamal Lewis has averaged over the past couple of years…and that will get you nowhere close to the #13 running back.Staff With Highest Ranking: Bloom, Hicks and Tefertiller at #11

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Wood #19, Wimer #20, Norton #25 :lmao:

Players I have Ranked Above McGahee: Maurice Jones Drew, Edgerrin James, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis, Ronnie Brown(in addition to others already ranked higher)

LHUCKS Ranking: #21

Ronnie Brown #15

I’ve never been enamored with Brown’s ability. There have been rumblings in Miami that he’s been outplayed by Chatman and he has looked mediocre to me in the preseason. Ronnie may get some solid yardage and a pedestrian TD total but I can’t rank him ahead of other backs that I feel are more talented and that are in better situations. Throughout the preseason Cameron and the Miami brass have stressed that it’s going to take some time to get this offense to gel and as a fantasy owner do you want to wait around for that offense to gel? Listen, I’m not saying he’s going to bust, but I’m also not about to rank him #15 on my list ahead of guys like Portis, Edge, Benson, Thomas Jones, Cadillac etc. etc. The Miami offense is suspect and is so is a consensus ranking of #15. One other note, Ronnie faces Baltimore and New England in weeks 15 and 16 and although that shouldn’t effect year-end totals, it should effect whether or not you draft him.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Brown at #11, Jason Wood at #10

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Bloom, David and Joe at #20, Tremblay at #21 :thumbup:

Players I have Ranked ahead of Ronnie: Portis, Edge, Benson, T. Jones, Cadillac, MCallister, Jacobs

LHUCKS Ranking: #22

Adrian Peterson Ranked #19

I’m rarely a fan of drafting rookie RBs as one of my starters because historical precedent will tell you that rookies just don’t have that high of a ceiling. It happens once in a while, but the odds are stacked against it. Now add into the mix that Adrian is the #2 RB behind incumbent starter Chester Taylor and this ranking starts to look a little worse to me. Chester showed he could take on a large workload last year and he by most accounts ran the ball admirably. Adrian on the other hand had an injury plagued collegiate career and doesn’t have the prototypical workhorse running back frame.

This is the era of the two back system, but we’re not talking about a Reggie Bush-Deuce McAllister scenario here. Comparing the ’07 Vikings to the ’06 Saints or any other high powered offense isn’t wise. The Saints were 23rd in team offense whereas the Saints were #1. Unless you’re extraordinarily high on Tarvaris Jackson, Bobby Wade and Troy Williamson, I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into the Minnesota offense. Defenses are going to play 8 in the box in the first halves of games and in the second half there’s a good chance the Vikes will be playing from behind.

Adrian is fighting an uphill battle to be a fantasy factor in ’07 regardless of how many spin moves he pulls off in the preseason. Don’t be fooled by the highlight reel fellas, wait until next year to draft Peterson.

Staff With Highest Ranking: David and Joe #16, Norton #17

Staff with Lowest Ranking: Brown #25, Smith #26, Wimer #27 :thumbup:

Players I have Ranked Ahead of Peterson: Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, Ahman Green, Deuce McAllister, Brandon Jacobs, Julius Jones, Jamal Lewis, Marshawn Lynch

LHUCKS Ranking: #27

UNDERRATED

Shaun Alexander #8

This is a classic case of people forgetting how dominant a player can be because of injury. Shaun was the consensus #2 pick last year and because he cracked his foot he is now the #8…I don’t think so. Let’s look at Shaun’s last full season as a starter:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 jax | 14 73 | 0 | 0 || 2 atl | 28 144 | 11 | 1 || 3 ari | 22 140 | 0 | 4 || 4 was | 20 98 | 4 | 1 || 5 stl | 25 119 | 16 | 2 || 6 hou | 22 141 | 1 | 4 || 7 dal | 21 61 | 0 | 0 || 9 ari | 23 173 | 0 | 2 || 10 stl | 33 165 | 9 | 3 || 11 sfo | 24 115 | 7 | 2 || 12 nyg | 31 110 | 4 | 1 || 13 phi | 19 49 | 0 | 2 || 14 sfo | 21 108 | 20 | 1 || 15 ten | 26 172 | 0 | 1 || 16 ind | 21 139 | 6 | 3 || 17 gnb | 20 73 | 0 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 370 1880 | 78 | 28 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+Look at those game to game states one more time if you don’t get it. That’s right folks, over 1900 yards and 28 TD with crazy consistency. Now that he’s just one year older he’s no longer elite? I’m not buying it. Guppy: “But LHUCKS, they lost Hutch!”

LHUCKS: “I don’t care guppy. The offensive line has had over a year to recover from that loss and Walter Jones is still one of the best in the business. The coaching staff has been relatively pleased with Sims. The offensive line is a unit and singular losses to offensive lines are overstated IMHO.”

One more note, according to Gray’s SOS Alexander has the 7th easiest rushing schedule for fantasy running backs…let’s not forget Alexander plays in the ultra-soft NFC West.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Gray at #3 and Smith/Hicks at #4 :thumbup:

Staff With Lowest Ranking: Mike Brown #16, Wood #12

Players I have ranked below Alexander: Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Brian Westbrook, Addai

LHUCKS Ranking: #4

Brandon Jacobs #24

Brandon Jacobs is a beast. When this kid gets a full head of steam one player rarely can take him down. Unlike many players ahead of Jacobs, he doesn’t have an injury history and he’s relatively young. The other night on Sunday Night football John Madden stated his only question regarding Jacobs was whether or not he could handle the full load for an entire year, but did our good buddy John notice that some of the players ranked ahead of him have had serious injury histories and/or are getting up there in age? I’d rather take a youthful, hungry Jacobs over the likes of Ahman Green and Deuce McCallister and I certainly would take him over others in less desirable situations like Ronnie Brown and Adrian Peterson. Jacobs in my opinion is a lock for double digit TDs because he’s one heck of a goal line runner…many of the back ranked ahead of Jacobs have never seen a double digit TD in their career.

My projection ranking for Jacobs is more of a “from the gut” call based on qualitative observations so if you’re looking for proof that Jacobs is going to deliver you’ll have to go back to last year’s game tape and watch him run and put that together with the fact that Jacobs has very little competition for carries.

It also might be worth mentioning that Tiki has put up some pretty good seasons in this Coughlin offense recently so a drastic decrease in production seems unlikely. Here are Tiki’s numbers of the last three yeas:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 nyg | 16 | 322 1518 4.7 13 | 52 578 11.1 2 || 2005 nyg | 16 | 357 1860 5.2 9 | 54 530 9.8 2 || 2006 nyg | 16 | 327 1662 5.1 5 | 58 465 8.0 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 154 | 2216 10448 4.7 55 | 586 5183 8.8 12 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Those are some pretty powerful numbers. I don’t expect Jacobs to see those kind of yardage numbers because he is a different type of back but nonetheless these stats represent some obvious opportunity that I believe is getting overlooked.Additionally, the team seems to be rallying behind Eli this season and I for one believe the Giants offense has a great chance to improve upon their disappointing ’06. Don’t sleep on the substantial upside that Jacobs presents…his risk isn’t that much different than the other backs ranked similarly.

Staff With Highest Ranking: Jason Wood and Maurile Tremblay at #17 :hifive:

Staff With Lowest Ranking: Wimer #33, Haseley #29

Players I have ranked below Jacobs: Adrian Peterson, Ronnie Brown, Ahman Green, McCallister, Thomas Jones, Cadillac Williams

LHUCKS Ranking: #18

Julius Jones #33

This will be an unpopular call because the general consensus is that MBIII is a better running back....unfortunately the Dallas coaches don’t see it that way. Fantasy owners need to face the facts here…JULIUS JONES IS THE STARTING RUNNINGBACK in BIG D. Listen, I’m not saying that’s the way it should be, but what I am saying is that Julius is the starter and he’s going to get plenty of touches in a high powered offense that will enable him surpass the expectation of a #33 ranking. You may not like these facts, but these are the facts. This offense may be high powered enough and the defense may be good enough to give both MBIII and JJ a significant workload much like New Orleans was able to last year so don’t count out that possibility either. Others ranked ahead of him either aren’t starting(Deangelo Williams) or won’t be starting later(Tinker Bell.) Let’s take a detailed look at them:

Jerious Norwood: How much playing time is he going to get, how’s his offense going to move, can he stay healthy? Problems with pass blocking.

Tatum Bell: Not a workhorse will be done as soon as KJ is back sometime in midseason if not sooner.

DeAngelo Williams: Not the starter, has never proven he can carry the load and splitting with DeShaun

LaMont Jordan: Inconsistent preseason and Rhodes will make this an undesirable RBBC at best when he comes back

Fred Taylor: About the same tier, but lacks the upside of J.J. given Dallas’ potential to explode. Not a spring chicken any longer either.

When it comes down to it I just like JJ more than all of these guys thus he makes my underrated list. :shrug:

Staff With Highest Ranking: Bloom #26 and Tefertiller #27 :hifive:

Staff With Lowest Ranking: Norton #39, Pasquino/Tremblay at #37

Players I have ranked below Julius: Tatum Bell, DeAngelo Williams, Jerious Norwood, Fred Taylor, Lamont Jordan

LHUCKS Ranking: #26

Those are the runningbacks...the WRs are where the money is at so I'll try to get those out before this weekend.

 
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LHUCKS, normally I agree or at least see your point in your posts.

In this case I really disagree with your stance on Adrian Peterson. While Chester Taylor is a nice RB, he is nothing special and just that a nice RB. Peterson on the other hand is a BEAST and the only thing keeping him from showing it is opportunity. I agree that the Vikes will start out with a RBBC approach, but by Week 4 or 5, I really think that Peterson will be the man and only get spelled by Taylor in situational type plays or a series or two a game.

The Vikes lack Big Play ability and Peterson provides this too...he can take it to the house any time he touches it and his upside is much higher than the other backs you have ranked above him.

In any event still enjoyed your post as always.

 
Players I have Ranked Above McGahee: Maurice Jones Drew, Edgerrin James, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis, Ronnie Brown(in addition to others already ranked higher)

LHUCKS Ranking: #21

Ronnie Brown

LHUCKS Ranking: #22

 
Players I have Ranked Above McGahee: Maurice Jones Drew, Edgerrin James, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis, Ronnie Brown(in addition to others already ranked higher)

LHUCKS Ranking: #21

Ronnie Brown

LHUCKS Ranking: #22
I have McGahee ranked one ahead of Brown...will fix. Thanks for the heads up.
 
LHUCKS, normally I agree or at least see your point in your posts. In this case I really disagree with your stance on Adrian Peterson. While Chester Taylor is a nice RB, he is nothing special and just that a nice RB. Peterson on the other hand is a BEAST and the only thing keeping him from showing it is opportunity. I agree that the Vikes will start out with a RBBC approach, but by Week 4 or 5, I really think that Peterson will be the man and only get spelled by Taylor in situational type plays or a series or two a game.The Vikes lack Big Play ability and Peterson provides this too...he can take it to the house any time he touches it and his upside is much higher than the other backs you have ranked above him. In any event still enjoyed your post as always.
We'll have to agree to disagree here...I don't think it's a lock that he takes over full time duties and that puts him behind other guaranteed starters.
 
but am not witchya on Jacobs.
why not?I think people just aren't used to the idea that he's the fulltime starting back for the Giants yet. The Giants coaches certainly seem comfortable with it as they've got Droughns working in at fullback.
 
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Brown has a problem -- but its not his talent, its the O'line. We'll see if Cam can fix it. He is risky but a better player per game than Cadillac or McGahee and could easily surprise with upside. Yes, I am a Brown owner

Players I have Ranked Above McGahee: Maurice Jones Drew, Edgerrin James, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Thomas Jones, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis, Ronnie Brown(in addition to others already ranked higher)

LHUCKS Ranking: #21

Ronnie Brown

LHUCKS Ranking: #22
I have McGahee ranked one ahead of Brown...will fix. Thanks for the heads up.
 
I mostly agree on Brown and McGahee. Unspectacular talents on weak offenses = weak production.

Not so sure about Peterson. I just don't see Chester Taylor keeping him off the field much. The talent gap between them is too wide.

I think #8 is about right for Alexander given the abundance of quality backs at the top of the draft. You can't assume that he's the same player he was in 2005.

I agree that Julius Jones is underrated, but I don't think he's going to be a top 20 guy. His main value is in best ball/survivor.

Jacobs is boom-or-bust. He's one of the few 3rd-4th tier RBs who could conceivably have a top 15 season, but he's unproven and his dimensions are abnormal. If he succeeds as a featured back, he'll be the first of his kind.

 
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Not so sure about Peterson. I just don't see Chester Taylor keeping him off the field much. The talent gap between them is too wide.
we shall see, I have a bias against rookie RBs...always have.
I think #8 is about right for Alexander given the abundance of quality backs at the top of the draft. You can't assume that he's the same player he was in 2005.
I don't see why can assume he isn't the same player...different ways of looking at the same situation I suppose.
I agree that Julius Jones is underrated, but I don't think he's going to be a top 20 guy. His main value is in best ball/survivor.
Yeah, his lack of TDs will keep him out of the top 20 most likely.
Jacobs is boom-or-bust. He's one of the few 3rd-4th tier RBs who could conceivably have a top 15 season, but he's unproven and his dimensions are abnormal. If he succeeds as a featured back, he'll be the first of his kind.
I don't see why he has to be top 15 or nothing...other big backs have succeeded before...Okoye, Bettis etc.
 
I agree with you on Alexander - basically last year was a "perfect storm" of sorts for Alexander - breaking his foot , his O-line was just devestated with injuries, D-Jack missing considerable time, Engram missing 9 weeks, Hass out for 4 games - they could just never get rolling. I expect to see an Alexander closer to 2005 rather than 2006 - but I like all the negativity surrounding him heading into my draft...

 
i agree with all of your overrateds, but none of your underrateds.
:goodposting: although i think Alexander is neither
Who are your favorite underrateds this year?(using FBG consensus)
in the top 25, I'd say Portis, Green, and McAllister
I have Portis ranked two spots ahead of the FBG consensus so we may not be far off there.Green's age and recent injury history concern me and so does the Houston offense...he sure looked good last weekend though.McAllister's opportunity concerns me with Bush taking on an increased workload.
 
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I agree with you on Alexander - basically last year was a "perfect storm" of sorts for Alexander - breaking his foot , his O-line was just devestated with injuries, D-Jack missing considerable time, Engram missing 9 weeks, Hass out for 4 games - they could just never get rolling. I expect to see an Alexander closer to 2005 rather than 2006 - but I like all the negativity surrounding him heading into my draft...
:goodposting:
 
i agree with all of your overrateds, but none of your underrateds.
So tell me why you don't like Jacobs and Alexander?
Alexander 1. Is going on 30.

2. His yards but more importantly YPC decreased to his lowest in 3 years. While many people will shrug off his poor production to the injury, the Seattle O-line is also worse and that offense as a whole is declining.

3. Receptions, receiving yards, receiving TDs, and YPC all have declined over the past 3 years.

These declines in stats along with his age to me are the early warning signs of a once stud back about to run out of gas. RBs don't decline gradually. They have a few early warning signs while still performing well and then they're done. Maybe Alexander has one more year...maybe. But I certainly wouldn't take him in the first round this year.

Jacobs

1. Unproven back

2. Droughns is around, who has the ability as seen in 2005 and 2004 to carry the load, or in this case at least share carries with Jacobs.

Sure Droughns is the "fullback" but the potential is still there.

People still don't get how special Tiki was assuming Jacobs can step right in and replicate that production. Tiki made it look too easy. It's not.

 
I for one believe the Giants offense has a great chance to improve upon their disappointing ’06.
I disagree with this, and hence have lower expectations for Jacobs. The Giants unquestionably lost their best offensive player and haven't added anything to replace him. Jacobs will not cover the loss on his own. Unless Eli steps it up significantly (and I don't think he will), this offense could be a serious dud.
 
i agree with all of your overrateds, but none of your underrateds.
So tell me why you don't like Jacobs and Alexander?
Alexander 1. Is going on 30.

2. His yards but more importantly YPC decreased to his lowest in 3 years. While many people will shrug off his poor production to the injury, the Seattle O-line is also worse and that offense as a whole is declining.

3. Receptions, receiving yards, receiving TDs, and YPC all have declined over the past 3 years.

These declines in stats along with his age to me are the early warning signs of a once stud back about to run out of gas. RBs don't decline gradually. They have a few early warning signs while still performing well and then they're done. Maybe Alexander has one more year...maybe. But I certainly wouldn't take him in the first round this year.

Jacobs

1. Unproven back

2. Droughns is around, who has the ability as seen in 2005 and 2004 to carry the load, or in this case at least share carries with Jacobs.

Sure Droughns is the "fullback" but the potential is still there.

People still don't get how special Tiki was assuming Jacobs can step right in and replicate that production. Tiki made it look too easy. It's not.
Fair enough...time will tell.
 
Unless Eli steps it up significantly (and I don't think he will),
He has looked pretty good in the preseason and most reports out of camp have been positive...
Eli Manning has completed 30-of-43 passes for 287 yards and three touchdowns in the preseason. He has not thrown an interception
 
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but am not witchya on Jacobs.
why not?I think people just aren't used to the idea that he's the fulltime starting back for the Giants yet. The Giants coaches certainly seem comfortable with it as they've got Droughns working in at fullback.
Full time? You really see Jacobs as an every down back? That's my biggest concern. I don't think their staff will do that with Ward, Bradshaw, and Droughns vying for PT. I'm seeing a 65/35 ratio of touches for Jacobs.He'll definitely be splitting RedZone targets with Shockey again. Also, with their inopportunistic (is this a word?) defense, I don't see their offense having as much time on the field as in years past.Jacobs is in my overrated category.
 
but am not witchya on Jacobs.
why not?I think people just aren't used to the idea that he's the fulltime starting back for the Giants yet. The Giants coaches certainly seem comfortable with it as they've got Droughns working in at fullback.
Full time? You really see Jacobs as an every down back? That's my biggest concern. I don't think their staff will do that with Ward, Bradshaw, and Droughns vying for PT. I'm seeing a 65/35 ratio of touches for Jacobs.
If he gets 65% he'll crush expectations IMHO.
 
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Unless Eli steps it up significantly (and I don't think he will),
He has looked pretty good in the preseason and most reports out of camp have been positive...
Eli Manning has completed 30-of-43 passes for 287 yards and three touchdowns in the preseason. He has not thrown an interception
Sounds exactly like last year's preseason. Also with Tiki gone they're now even more reliant on knucklehead A (Plax) and knucklehead B (Shockey) - I'm not comfortable that that's a good situation to be in. Toomer isn't exactly getting any younger, and while I like Steve Smith he's still a rookie. Who's going to replace Tiki's numbers and help move the ball?Also worth noting, as of now I think the NFC East contains three pretty good defenses that the Giants will have to deal with.
 
good stuff LHUCKS. Why the bias against rookie RBs? It seems at least usually performs well each year, some years multiple rookie RBs do. I can appreciate the commentary based on his situation (behind a 1000 yd RB) and his injury past, but to knock him just because he's a rookie doesn't make sense when it's been shown in the past rookie RBs can be impact fantasy players.

 
Sounds exactly like last year's preseason.
True, but year 3 should definitely be better than year two.
Who's going to replace Tiki's numbers and help move the ball?
Jacobs and the receiving options
Also worth noting, as of now I think the NFC East contains three pretty good defenses that the Giants will have to deal with.
I'm still not sold on Dallas, I think they'll make big plays but I also think they'll give up some yardage as well.
 
Sounds exactly like last year's preseason.
True, but year 3 should definitely be better than year two.
Who's going to replace Tiki's numbers and help move the ball?
Jacobs and the receiving options
Also worth noting, as of now I think the NFC East contains three pretty good defenses that the Giants will have to deal with.
I'm still not sold on Dallas, I think they'll make big plays but I also think they'll give up some yardage as well.
It's year 4 for Eli. And just assigning Tiki's numbers to the same people who were there last year doesn't make sense to me - losing your main weapon doesn't usually mean an increase in production for the supporting cast, if anything I'd think it would make it harder for them.I think the Giant's offense is in for a tough season. I think Jacobs will be productive in FF terms, but I don't think he's underrated in any way right now.
 
good stuff LHUCKS. Why the bias against rookie RBs? It seems at least usually performs well each year, some years multiple rookie RBs do.
Too much risk...yes it can happen but I have to really like the situation to project for it and I don't in this instance.
 
McGahee and Jamal Lewis both converted on 44% of their goalline carries last year. Jamal had 10 TDs for Baltimore. Willis is not overrated this year.

 
I disagree about Brandon Jacobs, if anything he is vastly OVERRATED.

he's wildly inconsistent, indecisive, straight line runner. Perhaps thats why he is an effective goalline RB, b/c he's runs in a straight line?

he'll get caught in the backfield too many times this season. He runs tall, well, he IS tall! but it will leave him prone to injury..only 2 rb's in the history of the nfl have rushed for 1,000 yard seasons: Heyward and Okoye. Here's betting Jacobs won't be the third.

as another publication puts it, he's a converted TE playing RB..has never been 300+ carry RB..

LT is a sore spot for the Giants, and Eli is going to have his work cut out for him,to keep this offense on the move..

opposing defenses are likely to load 8 in the box to stop the run, forcing Eli to pass more..Toomer is too old and too slow

to be a factor, Plax is breaking down, he's still hurt, hasn't done much in preseason, and they just lost Tyree for 6 weeks with a broken hand. Add to that, the fact the Moss and Smith are still wet behind the ears, and Shockey is always hurt, and you can see why there is more to dislike about the Giants, than there is to be hopeful about..

This team will probably go 7-9, maybe 6-10 this season. not many RB's from a 6-10 team have memorable seasons.

Jacobs is perhaps one of the most overrated players in fantasy football..

hist stats for preseason?

21-81, 3.9 per carry, longest of just 14 yards.

meh..boring...Jerome Bettis without the talent.in other words, Stacey Mack,v2.0

 
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I agree with all of them except AP I'm neutral on, and Ronnie Brown, I do not agree that 15th is overrated.

He is on a team where he will be given every oppertunity to put up big stats, I mean, Jesse Chatman, come on. Trying to use Jesse Chatman as motivation is rediculous. He hasn't played in every game yet in his 2 year career, but has rushed for 900 and 1000 yards respectively, one of those years (900) while splitting carries with R Williams. Now that the Dolphins finally have a QB with some stability, I think this will open some more holes for Brown. Going from mediocre to bad QB's like Fiedler to a proven vet in Green, will force defenses to stay back and not load the box. I think Brown will surprise this season, and actually think he is slightly underrated. I have him ranked 12th.

 
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McGahee and Jamal Lewis both converted on 44% of their goalline carries last year. Jamal had 10 TDs for Baltimore. Willis is not overrated this year.
I project Willis for 9 TDs with limited upside above that.
So he's not much of an upgrade over last year's Jamal Lewis? I disagree with that. Jamal has looked pretty good so far this preseason, but last year he looked awful at times.
 
McGahee and Jamal Lewis both converted on 44% of their goalline carries last year. Jamal had 10 TDs for Baltimore. Willis is not overrated this year.
I project Willis for 9 TDs with limited upside above that.
So he's not much of an upgrade over last year's Jamal Lewis? I disagree with that. Jamal has looked pretty good so far this preseason, but last year he looked awful at times.
McGahee wasn't spectacular by any stretch of the imagination.I'm not expecting McGahee to fall off a cliff, I just like a hanful of guys ranked lower than him a bit more.
 
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McGahee and Jamal Lewis both converted on 44% of their goalline carries last year. Jamal had 10 TDs for Baltimore. Willis is not overrated this year.
I project Willis for 9 TDs with limited upside above that.
So he's not much of an upgrade over last year's Jamal Lewis? I disagree with that. Jamal has looked pretty good so far this preseason, but last year he looked awful at times.
McGahee wasn't spectacular by any stretch of the imagination.
Was he better than Lewis is the question LHUCKS? He ran at a 3.8 ypc clip behind a worse OL, while Lewis ran at a 3.6 ypc average. McGahee had 3 carries of 30 or more yards. Lewis had 1. I think it's clear that he's an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, so projecting better numbers than Jamal Lewis' last year is not only reasonable but IMO correct. His floor is where he is ranked right now.
 
And just assigning Tiki's numbers to the same people who were there last year doesn't make sense to me
I'm not doing that, I see an increase in passing yardage but a decrease in rushing yardage.
I understand that, but I don't agree with your reasoning. I don't think they make up the overall yardage gap. I think Tiki took a decent number of yards out of the Giants' offense with him when he retired that aren't going to be replaced this year. In addition there are reasons like:
LT is a sore spot for the Giants, and Eli is going to have his work cut out for him,to keep this offense on the move..opposing defenses are likely to load 8 in the box to stop the run, forcing Eli to pass more..Toomer is too old and too slowto be a factor, Plax is breaking down, he's still hurt, hasn't done much in preseason, and they just lost Tyree for 6 weeks with a broken hand. Add to that, the fact the Moss and Smith are still wet behind the ears, and Shockey is always hurt, and you can see why there is more to dislike about the Giants, than there is to be hopeful about..
to not like the Giants' offense this year.
 
McGahee and Jamal Lewis both converted on 44% of their goalline carries last year. Jamal had 10 TDs for Baltimore. Willis is not overrated this year.
I project Willis for 9 TDs with limited upside above that.
So he's not much of an upgrade over last year's Jamal Lewis? I disagree with that. Jamal has looked pretty good so far this preseason, but last year he looked awful at times.
McGahee wasn't spectacular by any stretch of the imagination.
Was he better than Lewis is the question LHUCKS? He ran at a 3.8 ypc clip behind a worse OL, while Lewis ran at a 3.6 ypc average. McGahee had 3 carries of 30 or more yards. Lewis had 1. I think it's clear that he's an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, so projecting better numbers than Jamal Lewis' last year is not only reasonable but IMO correct. His floor is where he is ranked right now.
I think his yardage totals will be better, but like I said I have him for 9 TDs. Jama Lewis averaged 7.5 TDs in this offense over a 6 year span and that's including his monster 2000 yard season. The runningbacks I have ranked ahead of McGahee all present much more upside.
 
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And just assigning Tiki's numbers to the same people who were there last year doesn't make sense to me
I'm not doing that, I see an increase in passing yardage but a decrease in rushing yardage.
I understand that, but I don't agree with your reasoning. I don't think they make up the overall yardage gap. I think Tiki took a decent number of yards out of the Giants' offense with him when he retired that aren't going to be replaced this year. In addition there are reasons like:
LT is a sore spot for the Giants, and Eli is going to have his work cut out for him,to keep this offense on the move..opposing defenses are likely to load 8 in the box to stop the run, forcing Eli to pass more..Toomer is too old and too slowto be a factor, Plax is breaking down, he's still hurt, hasn't done much in preseason, and they just lost Tyree for 6 weeks with a broken hand. Add to that, the fact the Moss and Smith are still wet behind the ears, and Shockey is always hurt, and you can see why there is more to dislike about the Giants, than there is to be hopeful about..
to not like the Giants' offense this year.
Coughlin's offenses have traditionally been very good...I think it's a mistake to look at turnover at a few positions and assume the sky will fall.
 
I disagree about Brandon Jacobs, if anything he is vastly OVERRATED.

he's wildly inconsistent, indecisive, straight line runner. Perhaps thats why he is an effective goalline RB, b/c he's runs in a straight line?

he'll get caught in the backfield too many times this season. He runs tall, well, he IS tall! but it will leave him prone to injury..only 2 rb's in the history of the nfl have rushed for 1,000 yard seasons: Heyward and Okoye. Here's betting Jacobs won't be the third.

as another publication puts it, he's a converted TE playing RB..has never been 300+ carry RB..

LT is a sore spot for the Giants, and Eli is going to have his work cut out for him,to keep this offense on the move..

opposing defenses are likely to load 8 in the box to stop the run, forcing Eli to pass more..Toomer is too old and too slow

to be a factor, Plax is breaking down, he's still hurt, hasn't done much in preseason, and they just lost Tyree for 6 weeks with a broken hand. Add to that, the fact the Moss and Smith are still wet behind the ears, and Shockey is always hurt, and you can see why there is more to dislike about the Giants, than there is to be hopeful about..

This team will probably go 7-9, maybe 6-10 this season. not many RB's from a 6-10 team have memorable seasons.

Jacobs is perhaps one of the most overrated players in fantasy football..

hist stats for preseason?

21-81, 3.9 per carry, longest of just 14 yards.

meh..boring...Jerome Bettis without the talent.in other words, Stacey Mack,v2.0
Anyone else stop reading this post after the part that I bolded?
 

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