Libs Of TikTok (Teachers): Locked Out From Twitter Over Posting About Kids At Drag Shows (4/24/22 5:19PST) (1 Viewer)

[GordonGekko]

Direct Headline: ‘Libs of TikTok’ locked out by Twitter over posts about kids at drag shows

The creator of “Libs of TikTok,” the controversial, right-leaning Twitter account, has been locked out by Twitter over a series of tweets detailing drag shows that target young children....“The thread allegedly violates Twitter’s rules against ‘abuse and harassment’.....”

“You know what’s actually abusive? Drag shows for kids....You can promote drag shows for kids on Twitter. That’s fine...You can even share videos of yourself performing in them....The only thing you can’t do is criticize them. Somehow the feelings of a few drag queens matter more to Twitter than the corruption of a generation of children.....”

By Ariel Zilber June 9, 2022 10:20am

https://nypost.com/2022/06/09/libs-of-tiktok-locked-by-twitter-over-posts-kid-drag-show-posts/

IMAGE of Twitter enforcement against Libs of TikTok

TWEET: Libs of TikTok XX@XXlibsoftiktok

.XX@XXaclib is advertising drag queen story hour specifically for preschoolers. The library is funded primarily by local property taxes.

5:02 PM · May 30, 2022

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1531425839581040641

TWEET: Libs of TikTok XX@XXlibsoftiktok

Children and drag queens danced for adults with some kids even collecting money on stage at a drag convention this month.

Nothing to see here… just a child dancing for adults with drag queens on stage for money at a drag convention.

5:08 PM · May 30, 2022

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1531427339682295808

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VIDEO: Compilation: Wildest Teacher Tik Tok Rants Nov 5, 2021

Woke K-12 teachers ranting about their leftist agendas are ubiquitous on social media, particularly the Twitter account "Libs of TikTok."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Z7bxNzn-w

VIDEO: The Leftist Teachers of TikTok Aug 25, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89Sl2UZ7yo

VIDEO: Joe Rogan talks Tiktok & Teachers. - JRE & LibsOfTiktok. Feb 1, 2022

Joe talks about the new Tiktok generation and how it's effecting the teachers and children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16_GqviLrEQ

VIDEO: Orange County teacher’s TikTok video raising concern Aug 29, 2021

The Newport-Mesa School District is investigating a teacher after she posted a video admitting that she encouraged her students to pledge allegiance to a gay pride flag after she removed the American flag from her classroom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyhKmfbtx0

VIDEO: Parents outraged after kindergarten teacher discusses gender identity Aug 22, 2017

A California teacher is receiving backlash after reading books to her kindergarten class about gender identity. One of her students brought the books to her while going through a gender transition. The teacher explained herself to concerned parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4S9LLoSeag

VIDEO: Cypress College professor on leave after Zoom exchange with student who called police 'heroes' May 4, 2021

A Cypress College professor is on leave after a Zoom video of a heated discussion with a student who called police “heroes” in class went viral recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVupSOzheCg

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Libs Of TikTok and the doxxing of it's owner is a current controversy. What people OUTSIDE of employment related to public service/public trust is one thing. If a random construction worker has a TikTok where they push a certain type of ideology and/or agenda, that's something the majority of Americans can write off as non threatening.

However, if it's an EDUCATOR, then that is a more complicated matter. There are career paths that deal with the PUBLIC TRUST and are needed to maintain order in civil society. The duty of care threshold is different for police officers, firefighters, doctors, elected officials, judges, pilots for commercial vessels, etc, etc, but especially for TEACHERS in public schools.

This issue is a balance of free speech against the practical desire for people to protect their children. These are public schools, paid for with our tax dollars, and the teachers who work there are entrusted with our children and America's future. Below in the Contextual Material section, I will link through Krystal & Saagar's take on the Libs of TikTok issue, as they are generally seen as moderate in position. Also the audio response of the Libs of TikTok owner.

I'll leave it here for others to discuss their positions on this matter. But watch the videos above and weigh for yourselves on what convictions you hold on what educators should be teaching/not teaching or exposing/not exposing to our children in public schools. The reality of the situation is one would rarely find others who held the hard line to their political tribalism over the love for their children and their desire to keep them safe. Well, we hope that's the case.

Do you consider the teachers/educators shown in the videos above, and those like them based on their actions, as a relentless threat point against America's children? Do you see it as ideological indoctrination? And what should be done about it?

Before I depart, let me close with a series of tweets from the social media account of one of the teachers in these videos. Ask yourself if you'd want this person teaching your children. Or any children. Or even being within a million miles of your kids.

KoeCreation Tweets Image

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

So, #adultfilm, #pornstar peeps, do you have kids? Would you ever need childcare? I was raised #sexpositive & would love to help your kiddo!

5:48PM 2015-06-08

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

It's the latest craze for children of all ages! It's #Masturbation!

1:20PM 2014-11-10

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

#legalpeeps: What kind of waiver/release would I need create a safe space to talk to youth about #Kink, away from their parents?  #sexed

6:03PM 2015-09-29

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Libs Of TikTok (Teachers): Relentless Threat Point Against America's Children? (4/24/22 5:19PST)

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Libs Of TikTok (Teachers): Banned From Instagram. How Unpredictable! (4/24/22 5:19PST)

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Libs Of TikTok (Teachers): Locked Out From Twitter Over Posting About Kids At Drag Shows (4/24/22 5:19PST)

Edit: 6/12/22 13:24 PST

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL:

VIDEO: Taylor Lorenz DOXXES Libs Of TikTok Twitter Account | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar Apr 19, 2022

Krystal and Saagar point out the hypocrisy of Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz in her doxxing of the owner of the Libs of TikTok Twitter account after she recently melted down about online harassment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL5XVRgXd1E

VIDEO: ‘Libs of Tik Tok’ creator speaks on Big Tech punishments Apr 15, 2022

The ‘Libs of Tik Tok’ creator reveals what platforms besides Twitter have punished her on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbG6lIpa8jo

VIDEO: More Teachers / Libs of TikTok?! WHY?! Sep 3, 2021

... Never forget these are the people teaching children in our country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQQxqHW26o

VIDEO: Teachers of TikTok / Libs of TikTok Jul 14, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t504mQcpPlg

VIDEO: TikTok Teachers React to "Don't Say Gay" Being Passed Apr 4, 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0H2oi79g8I

VIDEO: Tucker: This is an intimidation campaign against 'Libs of TikTok' Apr 19, 2022

Fox News host reacts on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' to the woman behind 'Libs of TikTok' being outed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-nMlMU48wI

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm obviously unfriendly to this ideology, so I'm a sympathetic audience here.  But these clips always strike as isolated cases that can be handled by HR.  Aside from giving us something to chuckle about, I'm reluctant to read much more into any of these videos than "some teachers should be fired."  But that's true of all occupations.

Without getting into details, I can think of about half a dozen people that I know of personally who have been fired by my institution during the time I've been around.  I'm talking here about people who I happen to be privy to exactly why they were let go.  Some of those were pretty egregious, involving sexual misconduct, theft, and stuff like that.  Nobody thinks that those people are representative of college professors.  Some college professors are creeps who sexually harass other people, but it's like that in all industries, not just mine.  Some staff members will embezzle funds if you don't keep an eye on them -- happens everywhere, not just here.

If I had access to every college's personnel records, I too could run an account where I highlight some case of blatant misconduct everyday.  I could make it look like there's a nationwide epidemic of bad behavior on the part of English and math profs.  But it would just be an artifact of selection bias.

Given the number of people in K-12 education, it's a mathematical certainty that some of them will be creepy, some will be ideological bomb-throwers, etc.  Let's screen those folks out and move on.  I'm not seeing a need to make a bigger issue out of it than that. 

What am I missing here? 

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm obviously unfriendly to this ideology, so I'm a sympathetic audience here.  But these clips always strike as isolated cases that can be handled by HR.  Aside from giving us something to chuckle about, I'm reluctant to read much more into any of these videos than "some teachers should be fired."  But that's true of all occupations.

Without getting into details, I can think of about half a dozen people that I know of personally who have been fired by institution during the time I've been around.  I'm talking here about people who I happen to be privy to exactly why they were let go.  Some of those were pretty egregious, involving sexual misconduct, theft, and stuff like that.  Nobody thinks that those people are representative of college professors.  Some college professors are creeps who sexually harass other people, but it's like that in all industries, not just mine.  Some staff members will embezzle funds if you don't keep an eye on them -- happens everywhere, not just here.

If I had access to every college's personnel records, I too could run an account where I highlight some case of blatant misconduct everyday.  I could make it look like there's a nationwide epidemic of bad behavior on the part of English and math profs.  But it would just be an artifact of selection bias.

Given the number of people in K-12 education, it's a mathematical certainty that some of them will be creepy, some will be ideological bomb-throwers, etc.  Let's screen those folks out and move on.  I'm not seeing a need to make a bigger issue out of it than that. 

What am I missing here? 

Thanks @IvanKaramazov  it's an interesting discussion for sure.

I think the topic does matter too. We think of this differently if a person we see as off the rails is a sports journalist or a teacher or a policeman. 

I think one of the laziest forms of website news is the article that says, "People furious over _________" and then they post the thing that was said and then find 3 posts from Twitter where people are mad. The people mad often have 5 followers. You can find 3 mad people over anything.

I laughed the other day in that we sent an email Friday to all the Footballguys subscribers and the headline was "Tell Us What You Want" and included a survey asking for what kind of content people wanted.

I got an email that said nothing but "What I want is for you to stop ####### emailing me in the offseason". 

 I of course laughed that off.

The reason is that was one person out of the 600,000+ that received the email. (Even more fun is the list requires people to opt in to join)

So one person out of 600,000 didn't want the email. Not a worry.

If I'd received 100 of those, I'd think differently. 

Same thing can apply with your question. 

How representative are these teachers of the teaching population?

Now to argue the flip side a bit, it's obviously massively more serious, but if we're talking about police officers the conversation feels different. 

It's interesting. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

I also understand the point people make of "This has been going on for a while. You just didn't hear about it before because not everyone had a video camera in their pocket to record what happens." 

The collective expression allowed by people now with social media is also a huge factor. I'm a believer that social media hasn't as much changed behavior as it has exposed things already there. With much it being self inflicted.

That wild uncle has always been wild. But in years past, we only saw that wild stuff once a year at Thanksgiving dinner. Now wild uncle has a TikTok and the world gets to see what only a few people saw in years past. I'm not sure how but I think that factors into this as well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

In a different area, I've seen a bit of this in other areas, if I'm understanding @IvanKaramazov right. There used to be a good bit of media attention every time the people from Westboro Baptist Church showed up to protest a funeral with their awful signs of "God hates you" and such. There was a sense that that was representative of all Christians. Yet every Christian I knew was disgusted by that kind of behavior. Then we also started looking and realized the "Westboro Baptist Church" was a very small number of people.

But when there are pictures and video from something that ugly, it gets traction. 

 

[moleculo]

VIDEO: Compilation: Wildest Teacher Tik Tok Rants Nov 5, 2021

Woke K-12 teachers ranting about their leftist agendas are ubiquitous on social media, particularly the Twitter account "Libs of TikTok."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Z7bxNzn-w

VIDEO: The Leftist Teachers of TikTok Aug 25, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89Sl2UZ7yo

VIDEO: Joe Rogan talks Tiktok & Teachers. - JRE & LibsOfTiktok. Feb 1, 2022

Joe talks about the new Tiktok generation and how it's effecting the teachers and children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16_GqviLrEQ

VIDEO: Orange County teacher’s TikTok video raising concern Aug 29, 2021

The Newport-Mesa School District is investigating a teacher after she posted a video admitting that she encouraged her students to pledge allegiance to a gay pride flag after she removed the American flag from her classroom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyhKmfbtx0

VIDEO: Parents outraged after kindergarten teacher discusses gender identity Aug 22, 2017

A California teacher is receiving backlash after reading books to her kindergarten class about gender identity. One of her students brought the books to her while going through a gender transition. The teacher explained herself to concerned parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4S9LLoSeag

VIDEO: Cypress College professor on leave after Zoom exchange with student who called police 'heroes' May 4, 2021

A Cypress College professor is on leave after a Zoom video of a heated discussion with a student who called police “heroes” in class went viral recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVupSOzheCg

*******

Libs Of TikTok and the doxxing of it's owner is a current controversy. What people OUTSIDE of employment related to public service/public trust is one thing. If a random construction worker has a TikTok where they push a certain type of ideology and/or agenda, that's something the majority of Americans can write off as non threatening.

However, if it's an EDUCATOR, then that is a more complicated matter. There are career paths that deal with the PUBLIC TRUST and are needed to maintain order in civil society. The duty of care threshold is different for police officers, firefighters, doctors, elected officials, judges, pilots for commercial vessels, etc, etc, but especially for TEACHERS in public schools.

This issue is a balance of free speech against the practical desire for people to protect their children. These are public schools, paid for with our tax dollars, and the teachers who work there are entrusted with our children and America's future. Below in the Contextual Material section, I will link through Krystal & Saagar's take on the Libs of TikTok issue, as they are generally seen as moderate in position. Also the audio response of the Libs of TikTok owner.

I'll leave it here for others to discuss their positions on this matter. But watch the videos above and weigh for yourselves on what convictions you hold on what educators should be teaching/not teaching or exposing/not exposing to our children in public schools. The reality of the situation is one would rarely find others who held the hard line to their political tribalism over the love for their children and their desire to keep them safe. Well, we hope that's the case.

Do you consider the teachers/educators shown in the videos above, and those like them based on their actions, as a relentless threat point against America's children? Do you see it as ideological indoctrination? And what should be done about it?

Before I depart, let me close with a series of tweets from the social media account of one of the teachers in these videos. Ask yourself if you'd want this person teaching your children. Or any children. Or even being within a million miles of your kids.

KoeCreation Tweets Image

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

So, #adultfilm, #pornstar peeps, do you have kids? Would you ever need childcare? I was raised #sexpositive & would love to help your kiddo!

5:48PM 2015-06-08

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

It's the latest craze for children of all ages! It's #Masturbation!

1:20PM 2014-11-10

Koe Creation XX@XX koecreate

#legalpeeps: What kind of waiver/release would I need create a safe space to talk to youth about #Kink, away from their parents?  #sexed

6:03PM 2015-09-29

Koe Creation is not an educator.  She is more of a sex-positive personal coach or therapist or whatever.  https://koecreation.com/

 

[moleculo]

VIDEO: Compilation: Wildest Teacher Tik Tok Rants Nov 5, 2021

Woke K-12 teachers ranting about their leftist agendas are ubiquitous on social media, particularly the Twitter account "Libs of TikTok."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Z7bxNzn-w

 ...

I watched a little bit of this video.  From what I've seen, it's teachers ranting and venting to the camera, not to students. 

Are you making the claim that a persons political ideology should prevent them from gainful employment? 

 

[GordonGekko]

Koe Creation is not an educator.  She is more of a sex-positive personal coach or therapist or whatever.  https://koecreation.com/

‘Queer neurodivergent’ teacher brags about indoctrinating small children into gender ideology

Ashley Sadler Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 12:38 pm EDT

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/queer-neurodivergent-teacher-brags-about-indoctrinating-small-children-into-gender-ideology/

"The preschool teacher, who goes by the name “Koe Creation,” uses third-person plural pronouns and describes herself as “non-binary.”

In her Tik Tok video she said this has been her first year teaching her own preschool class, which she does alongside “another queer neurodivergent educator.”

The author and activist, whose straight-faced Amazon biography says she was raised in “a sex-positive, polyamous family and subsequent communities in Seattle, Washington” and has “a decade’s worth of expertise at being a ‘professional pervert,’” said in the video that a new teacher is set to join her teaching team.

According to “Koe,” the new teacher has been impressed with the degree to which the 3- to 5-year old children in “Koe’s” class had imbibed radical gender ideology.

“So today at the lunch table, when the topic of gender and genitals came up,” the preschool teacher said, “one of our students plainly looked up and said, ‘well, I’m a girl today, but I know that teacher Koe isn’t. No, they’re NB [non-binary].’”

“And the look on the incoming teacher’s face was priceless,” she continued, adding that the new teacher “was shocked in a good way” and told “Koe” and her colleague, “this class is incredible and I am so impressed.”

*****

"Not An Educator" is an easy distinction to hold after you get fired.

 

[moleculo]

‘Queer neurodivergent’ teacher brags about indoctrinating small children into gender ideology

Ashley Sadler Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 12:38 pm EDT

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/queer-neurodivergent-teacher-brags-about-indoctrinating-small-children-into-gender-ideology/

"The preschool teacher, who goes by the name “Koe Creation,” uses third-person plural pronouns and describes herself as “non-binary.”

In her Tik Tok video she said this has been her first year teaching her own preschool class, which she does alongside “another queer neurodivergent educator.”

The author and activist, whose straight-faced Amazon biography says she was raised in “a sex-positive, polyamous family and subsequent communities in Seattle, Washington” and has “a decade’s worth of expertise at being a ‘professional pervert,’” said in the video that a new teacher is set to join her teaching team.

According to “Koe,” the new teacher has been impressed with the degree to which the 3- to 5-year old children in “Koe’s” class had imbibed radical gender ideology.

“So today at the lunch table, when the topic of gender and genitals came up,” the preschool teacher said, “one of our students plainly looked up and said, ‘well, I’m a girl today, but I know that teacher Koe isn’t. No, they’re NB [non-binary].’”

“And the look on the incoming teacher’s face was priceless,” she continued, adding that the new teacher “was shocked in a good way” and told “Koe” and her colleague, “this class is incredible and I am so impressed.”

*****

"Not An Educator" is an easy distinction to hold after you get fired.

It's also an easy distinction to hold if you aren't an educator.  Preschool <> educator.  

I don't care what kind of dogma they teach in private schools or home schools  (I mean, I do, but not for the sake of this conversation). Public school is different - funded by the state and all.  Preschool is not that.  

 

[timschochet]

We live in an anecdote society, unfortunately. 
 

The left has spent years demonizing the police of this country by documenting incidents of bad behavior, or racist behavior. Yes it is bad. Yes I believe there is institutionalized racism out there that needs to be addressed. But the vast majority of police don’t behave badly and to treat them as enemies is just wrong. They are here to protect us and ought to be thanked for it. 
 

Now the right appears to be copying the left’s example and demonizing teachers. The methods of attacks are quite similar, including capturing some bad behavior on YouTube.  As someone with a wife and daughter in this profession it makes me ill. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I watched a little bit of this video.  From what I've seen, it's teachers ranting and venting to the camera, not to students. 

Are you making the claim that a persons political ideology should prevent them from gainful employment? 

Well, progressives certainly make that claim.  The reason why the lady behind this particular account was doxxed was to ruin her ability to earn a living and thereby serve as an example for others.  Progressives aren't in any position to object to having this standard applied to them.

That's another reason why I dislike this account.  It belongs to the little camp that says "The left plays by these rules, so we should too."  I completely reject that standard.  I can't control your behavior, but I can control my own, and I'd rather take the occasional L and still be happy with myself than become the kind of person who is optimized for Ws in this area.  

The problem is that people like me are losing this argument on the right, and Taylor Lorenz made it harder for us.

 

[squistion]

Now the right appears to be copying the left’s example and demonizing teachers. The methods of attacks are quite similar, including capturing some bad behavior on YouTube.  As someone with a wife and daughter in this profession it makes me ill. 

The right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember, although for decades it was just railing against professors at the college or university level.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember, although for decades it was just railing against professors at the college or university level.

That hasn't been my experience at all. I know folks on the right who have argued with curriculum and teacher unions but not anything remotely like "demonizing teachers". 

 

[FairWarning]

We live in an anecdote society, unfortunately. 
 

The left has spent years demonizing the police of this country by documenting incidents of bad behavior, or racist behavior. Yes it is bad. Yes I believe there is institutionalized racism out there that needs to be addressed. But the vast majority of police don’t behave badly and to treat them as enemies is just wrong. They are here to protect us and ought to be thanked for it. 
 

Now the right appears to be copying the left’s example and demonizing teachers. The methods of attacks are quite similar, including capturing some bad behavior on YouTube.  As someone with a wife and daughter in this profession it makes me ill. 

Actually there is a big difference - these people are incriminating themselves by freely posting it on SM.   They are proud of their behavior and are trying to normalize it.  

 

[BladeRunner]

The right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember, although for decades it was just railing against professors at the college or university level.

Yeah, at this point you're just making stuff up.  Things you've made up off the top of my head:

• LGBTQ have no Civil Rights
  
• The Right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember
  
  Your memory must be 3 minutes in length
  

[*]Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

• 
  Hasn't been since 1973
  

Stop already, please.  Let's argue from positions of FACT, not emotion. 

 

[squistion]

Yeah, at this point you're just making stuff up.  Things you've made up off the top of my head:

• LGBTQ have no Civil Rights
  
• The Right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember
  
  Your memory must be 3 minutes in length
  

[*]Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

• 
  Hasn't been since 1973
  

Stop already, please.  Let's argue from positions of FACT, not emotion. 

You keep repeating that lie. I never said "LGBTQ have no Civil Rights"

 

[FairWarning]

Here are the last two tweets from the LoTT account -

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1518213205159563264?s=20&t=GLlVW2oQ1VPZB4kdBylShQ 

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1518276445335961605?s=20&t=GLlVW2oQ1VPZB4kdBylShQ

if there is backlash, don’t blame conservatives, they didn’t post this crap.  

 

[squistion]

That hasn't been my experience at all. I know folks on the right who have argued with curriculum and teacher unions but not anything remotely like "demonizing teachers". 

Joe, I have heard the meme from conservatives about left wing indoctrination of students by teachers or professors for decades. 

Here is an article on Desantis from last year touching on that:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/06/30/leftist-indoctrination-universities-conservative-fantasy/7786534002/

DeSantis is wrong: 'Leftist indoctrination' is a conservative fantasy

Gov. DeSantis has just signed into law a bill purporting to fight ideological “indoctrination” on Florida’s public campuses. That raises a couple of key questions.

Why does the government believe its universities are hotbeds of radical thought? And where exactly is the Berkeley of the Sunshine State?

The premise is that left-leaning professors are indoctrinating students to liberal views and repressing the free expression of conservative students. It’s a great talking point for the conservative base.

But let’s be clear. Criticizing professors and “intellectuals” has always been a great talking point for the base. An article in the Chronicle for Higher Education headlined “From Snobs” to “Pointy-Headed College Professors” to Eggheads” recalled how Vice-President Spiro Agnew attacked “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals.” Newt Gingrich criticized campus research, saying taxes were “used to subsidize bizarre and destructive visions of reality.”

Almost a decade ago, Rick Santorum called President Obama a “snob” for encouraging enrollment in college. “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to tests that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them,” Santorum said.

Sound familiar? Although DeSantis insists he’s addressing a new concern, it comes from a well-worn playbook.

[...]

Here is more on this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/07/25/academics-fact-check-pervasive-idea-liberal-academics-indoctrinate-their-students

'Lost' Generation

Academics fact-check the persistent idea, promoted at GOP convention, that liberal professors politically indoctrinate their students.

Is an entire generation of voters “lost” to the Grand Old Party, and is academe at fault? That’s what conservative pollster and pundit Frank Luntz told a roomful of delegates at the Republican National Convention last week.  [...]

Speaking to a group of South Carolina delegates at a breakfast meeting in Cleveland, Luntz declared his No. 1 priority to be “what happens at universities,” The Hill reported.

“Capitol Hill matters, yes, politics matter, but a whole generation is being taught by professors who voted for Bernie Sanders,” Luntz said. “That’s a problem that begs for a solution.”

Recycling the notion that college and university campuses are fertile recruiting grounds for an army of liberal academics, Luntz declared millennials “lost” to his party.

“It's not like we are losing -- we have lost that generation,” he said.

As proof, Luntz offered the following data point: that 58 percent of millennials -- in his words -- “say socialism is the better form of economics.” That, he said, “is the damage of academia.” [...]

A healthy body of research also suggests that -- contrary to popular belief -- students are not indoctrinated by their professors, liberal or conservative. And much of that research doesn't dispute that professors may be to the left of American society -- the disagreement is about the alleged indoctrination. [...]

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe, I have heard the meme from conservatives about left wing indoctrination of students by teachers or professors for decades. 

Here is an article on Desantis from last year touching on that:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/06/30/leftist-indoctrination-universities-conservative-fantasy/7786534002/

DeSantis is wrong: 'Leftist indoctrination' is a conservative fantasy

Gov. DeSantis has just signed into law a bill purporting to fight ideological “indoctrination” on Florida’s public campuses. That raises a couple of key questions.

Why does the government believe its universities are hotbeds of radical thought? And where exactly is the Berkeley of the Sunshine State?

The premise is that left-leaning professors are indoctrinating students to liberal views and repressing the free expression of conservative students. It’s a great talking point for the conservative base.

But let’s be clear. Criticizing professors and “intellectuals” has always been a great talking point for the base. An article in the Chronicle for Higher Education headlined “From Snobs” to “Pointy-Headed College Professors” to Eggheads” recalled how Vice-President Spiro Agnew attacked “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals.” Newt Gingrich criticized campus research, saying taxes were “used to subsidize bizarre and destructive visions of reality.”

Almost a decade ago, Rick Santorum called President Obama a “snob” for encouraging enrollment in college. “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to tests that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them,” Santorum said.

Sound familiar? Although DeSantis insists he’s addressing a new concern, it comes from a well-worn playbook.

[...]

Here is more on this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/07/25/academics-fact-check-pervasive-idea-liberal-academics-indoctrinate-their-students

'Lost' Generation

Academics fact-check the persistent idea, promoted at GOP convention, that liberal professors politically indoctrinate their students.

Is an entire generation of voters “lost” to the Grand Old Party, and is academe at fault? That’s what conservative pollster and pundit Frank Luntz told a roomful of delegates at the Republican National Convention last week.  [...]

Speaking to a group of South Carolina delegates at a breakfast meeting in Cleveland, Luntz declared his No. 1 priority to be “what happens at universities,” The Hill reported.

“Capitol Hill matters, yes, politics matter, but a whole generation is being taught by professors who voted for Bernie Sanders,” Luntz said. “That’s a problem that begs for a solution.”

Recycling the notion that college and university campuses are fertile recruiting grounds for an army of liberal academics, Luntz declared millennials “lost” to his party.

“It's not like we are losing -- we have lost that generation,” he said.

As proof, Luntz offered the following data point: that 58 percent of millennials -- in his words -- “say socialism is the better form of economics.” That, he said, “is the damage of academia.” [...]

A healthy body of research also suggests that -- contrary to popular belief -- students are not indoctrinated by their professors, liberal or conservative. And much of that research doesn't dispute that professors may be to the left of American society -- the disagreement is about the alleged indoctrination. [...]

Yes. That's what I mean about I've heard some talk on curriculum. You made the distinction between school teacher (pre college) and university or college professors. My experience is I haven't seen much of Conservatives "demonizing teachers" K-12. I see their focus more on curriculum. 

And for sure, Conservatives have bemoaned the anti Conservative slant in Universities for a long while. For good reason as @IvanKaramazovknows well. I think we all get that. But that's very different than demonizing K-12 teachers. 

 

[squistion]

Yes. That's what I mean about I've heard some talk on curriculum. But I don't hear Conservatives "demonizing teachers."

Depends on how one defines "demonizing" I suppose. Saying teaches are "indoctrinating kids" sounds like a demonization to me,  

We are getting into semantics here, I meant something like these synonyms:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demonize#:~:text=diabolize%2C criticize%2C demean%2C deprecate%2C diminish%2C disparage%2C vilify

WORDS RELATED TO DEMONIZE

criticize, demean, deprecate, diminish, disparage

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/demonise

Demonize synonyms

vilify (related)

stigmatize (related)

 

[Joe Bryant]

Depends on how one defines "demonizing" I suppose. Saying teaches are "indoctrinating kids" sounds like a demonization to me,  

We are getting into semantics here, I meant something like these synonyms:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demonize#:~:text=diabolize%2C criticize%2C demean%2C deprecate%2C diminish%2C disparage%2C vilify

WORDS RELATED TO DEMONIZE

criticize, demean, deprecate, diminish, disparage

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/demonise

Demonize synonyms

vilify (related)

stigmatize (related)

We've all seen people call out the Libs of TikTok examples. But that's a new thing.

You said, "The right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember,"

For K-12 teachers, I haven't seen the kind of "demonizing" you have. Certainly not "for as long as I can remember". 

 

[squistion]

We've all seen people call out the Libs of TikTok examples. But that's a new thing.

You said, "The right has been demonizing teachers for as long as I can remember,"

For K-12 teachers, I haven't seen the kind of "demonizing" you have. Certainly not "for as long as I can remember". 

In my initial post I was referring at the college and university level. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

In my initial post I was referring at the college and university level. 

For sure, Conservatives have bemoaned the anti Conservative slant in Universities for a long while. For good reason as @IvanKaramazov knows well. I think we all get that.

But that's very different than demonizing K-12 teachers. I don't see much of that at all beyond the ones recently being called out on the Libs of TikTok stuff.

 

[tymarsas]

nm.

 

[FairWarning]

Can we get some examples of the left complaining about conservative professors indoctoring college students at public universities?   

 

[squistion]

Can we get some examples of the left complaining about conservative professors indoctoring college students at public universities?   

Not from me as I am not aware of hearing any stories of that. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Can we get some examples of the left complaining about conservative professors indoctoring college students at public universities?   

Are there any out of the closet conservative professors? Seems dangerous.

 

[FairWarning]

Not from me as I am not aware of hearing any stories of that. 

Why would that be?

 

[JIslander]

Can we get some examples of the left complaining about conservative professors indoctoring college students at public universities?   

Give us a sample of the indoctrinating curriculum. 

 

[moleculo]

Can we get some examples of the left complaining about conservative professors indoctoring college students at public universities?   

If you were a college professor and had carte blanche responsibility to create a curriculum, what kind of classes would you prescribe to bend minds towards conservativism?

 

[FairWarning]

Give us a sample of the indoctrinating curriculum. 

There are many examples of the right getting their voices squelched in those schools.  It’s at the point where the right don’t go to them, why would a professor?

 

[FairWarning]

If you were a college professor and had carte blanche responsibility to create a curriculum, what kind of classes would you prescribe to bend minds towards conservativism?

They wouldn’t hire me, I’m a straight white male.

 

[moleculo]

They wouldn’t hire me, I’m a straight white male.

It's a hypothetical.

 

[FairWarning]

It's a hypothetical.

Why would a conservative go to a Ivy League School?  Same goes for Cal Berkeley, Michigan, etc.   Knowing your voice is muted, it just reinforces the voice.  Why does china donates millions to these schools?   We sold out to them.  

 

[squistion]

Give us a sample of the indoctrinating curriculum. 

From his response, he can't, despite his saying that "there are many examples" of this so called indoctrinating curriculum 

 

[moleculo]

Why would a conservative go to a Ivy League School?  Same goes for Cal Berkeley, Michigan, etc.   Knowing your voice is muted, it just reinforces the voice.  Why does china donates millions to these schools?   We sold out to them.  

Sigh.

Pretend you are a conservative professor at Liberty University.  What would the curriculum look like if you wanted to mold young minds into conservative adults?

 

[FairWarning]

Give us a sample of the indoctrinating curriculum. 

It can be done thru hiring and students accepted.

 

[FairWarning]

Sigh.

Pretend you are a conservative professor at Liberty University.  What would the curriculum look like if you wanted to mold young minds into conservative adults?

How many  liberals are going to Liberty,?

 

[Caveman33]

I don't think indoctrination is an issue at the college or high school level.  Sure, there is a liberal bias among most teachers and professors and this may affect the grades they give to students who express conservative views but that is a relatively small concern.

Parents are concerned about their elementary school kids.  Young kids are impressionable.  Why is it necessary for elementary teachers to talk about their private lives, sexuality and sex organs?  I don't remember my elementary teachers ever talking about stuff like that.  Those topics can be discussed in health class in middle school.  Teachers developing these secret relationships with kids behind the parents back reeks of grooming.  It's baffling to me that so many here are supporting this.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't think indoctrination is an issue at the college or high school level.  Sure, there is a liberal bias among most teachers and professors and this may affect the grades they give to students who express conservative views but that is a relatively small concern.

Parents are concerned about their elementary school kids.  Young kids are impressionable.  Why is it necessary for elementary teachers to talk about their private lives, sexuality and sex organs?  I don't remember my elementary teachers ever talking about stuff like that.  Those topics can be discussed in health class in middle school.  Teachers developing these secret relationships with kids behind the parents back reeks of grooming.  It's baffling to me that so many here are supporting this.

i think this is a good distinction. People are conflating college professors with elementary school teachers. 

 

[moleculo]

How many  liberals are going to Liberty,?

Ugh.  Ok, never mind.  Apparently it's not possible to teach conservativism.

 

[chet]

From his response, he can't, despite his saying that "there are many examples" of this so called indoctrinating curriculum 

O Rlly

Texas Teacher Claims 20 Fourth Graders Out Of 32 Students Identify As LGBTQ

 

[squistion]

O Rlly

Texas Teacher Claims 20 Fourth Graders Out Of 32 Students Identify As LGBTQ

Yes.

Reading is fundamental. 

The post you were responding to was about "conservative professors indoctrinating college students at public universities" nothing to do with fourth graders. 

 

[chet]

Yes.

Reading is fundamental. 

The post you were responding to was about "conservative professors indoctrinating college students at public universities" nothing to do with fourth graders. 

Conservative professors probably number less than 10%.  I am much more worried about the professors who identify as Marxist. There is an attempt from kindergarten through college by teachers/professors to indoctrinate students in a far left regime and it's beyond disgusting.

 

[glvsav37]

Give us a sample of the indoctrinating curriculum. 

from the math books Florida refused. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10743229/Florida-releases-four-examples-54-math-textbooks-rejected-containing-banned-topics.html

One of the materials in the 54 math text books banned by Florida included bar graphs that measures levels of racial prejudice based on age and political identity. The graphs show that those 65 and older and who are more conservative have the most racial bias

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Another example of banned material also references the Implicit Association Test which claims people's bias changes based on age and political identification

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We can debate the term "indoctrination" all day long. However, much like the fight over rock and roll lyrics or video games causing people to do harmful things, the subtly of selectively placed information can cause a shift in thinking.

In this instance its Math, these word problems could have been about any topic, but they chose race, politics and aligned conservatives to being "bad people" 

 

[The Big Donkey]

Yes.

Reading is fundamental. 

The post you were responding to was about "conservative professors indoctrinating college students at public universities" nothing to do with fourth graders. 

that does seem kind of high though.   20 of 32  4th graders as LBGT+

 

[chet]

that does seem kind of high though.   20 of 32  4th graders as LBGT+

Kind of high?  62.5% of a class of 4th graders self identifying as LGBTQ+?  No chance that occurs without heavy influence by the teacher.  It's disgusting.  These teachers are grooming these kids into believing they are something they're not and it needs to stop.

 

[GordonGekko]

I don't think indoctrination is an issue at the college or high school level. ....

VIDEO: Student ejected for telling professor there are only 2 genders Mar 14, 2018

Religious studies major barred from Christianity class at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for saying there are only two genders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsqLLYy3JA

VIDEO (GRAPHIC LANGUAGE FROM CHILDREN ACCESSIBLE BOOKS IN SCHOOLS): Get your kids out of public schools Sep 11, 2021

This school board meeting took place in Leander Independent School District. This is what they are teaching 4th graders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfczBL3-wMw

VIDEO (GRAPHIC LANGUAGE FROM CHILDREN/TEEN ACCESSIBLE BOOKS IN SCHOOLS): Speaker removed from Orange County School Board meeting for reading from a book found at library Oct 27, 2021

Jacob Engels was ordered to stop reading from “Gender Queer: A Memoir.” When he did not, Orange County School Board Chair Teresa Jacobs had him removed from the chambers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGnMA92oygQ

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It absolutely is an issue. At all levels of formal education.

The difference is there is an expectation that college aged students ( within the practical spectrum of typical age ranges you'd probably get at a University or college) are at a hopefully better and more mature mental/emotional state along with some semblance of some life experience along with physical development ( including normal time dependent development of the brain itself), to be a better position to discern if the topic being discussed is practical/reasonable/safe or just operates as an open threat point.

A child in elementary school cannot be expected to defend themselves in any capacity. The laws, our society, our entire culture, the way our law enforcement works, the way our judicial system works, the way our public policy is shaped is all built around this accepted reality.

The core of the current establishment Democrats, the Progressives and the hard fringe woke cancel culture radical leftist zealots especially want to use Big Education as a pure feeder system for the Democratic Party.

Here's the question that changes the game and forces everyone to reevaluate this entire topic -

IF THE HEAVY MAJORITY OF THE LGBT VOTING BLOCK WERE CONSISTENTLY DOING HIGH LEVEL FUNDRAISING AND DELIVERING AT THE VOTING BOOTH FOR THE GOP/REPUBLICAN PARTY, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THIS HARD COORDINATED PUSH TO SEXUALIZE CHILDREN AND INDOCTRINATE THEM WOULD BE HAPPENING?

The core of the elected official in the Democratic Party right now are going to use their activist complicit MSM propaganda arms to display poor white Christian rural Americans exactly how? You see it on MSNBC all the time. White Nationalists. White Supremacists. Racists. Bigots. Xenophobes. Unhinged Conspiracy Theory Zealots In Militias. Active School Shooters. The Democratic Party could have courted the poor white rural Christian voting block. But it was deemed too expensive for the possible return. It would require a lot of resources, funding and public policy for perceived shaky political return ( that group didn't show up to the voting booth in heavy numbers, not until 2016 and 2020, pure and simple)

Why does this matter?

If the LBGT voting block ( which currently has a 93 percent return on all voter registrations that translate to the voting booth, where up to 79 percent will vote Democrat and 25 percent in the last general cycle were first time voters period) gave it's projected returns to the GOP and Republican Party instead, I have no doubt they would be demonized, persecuted and bracketed just like the poor white rural Christian voters.

Core elements of the current Democratic Party are pushing a clear agenda that focuses it's attention on elementary aged school children. Who are defenseless. No wonder so many parents are up in arms. Not just Republican parents. Not just Conservative parents. Do you think all parents who are Independent, Moderate and Undecided are all moving in lock step with Team Blue on all this? How do you think the critical suburban women voters block feels about all this? 

If you threaten people's children, whether that's widely apparent or that's something hard leftists will write off to "perception" or a cooked wedge issue or anything in between, then those parents will fight you to the death to stop you. The Virginia election was a big giant neon sign about how this issue is going to play out in the coming Mid Terms and the 2024 general cycle. The heavy majority of parents are going to be zero tolerance to any threat or perceived threat to their kids. Team Blue is choosing what appears to be open and clear political suicide here. Some combination of arrogance, group think and complete detachment from every day working class Americans has clearly spun their perspective away from practical political reality.

 

[glvsav37]

I don't think indoctrination is an issue at the college or high school level.  Sure, there is a liberal bias among most teachers and professors and this may affect the grades they give to students who express conservative views but that is a relatively small concern.

Parents are concerned about their elementary school kids.  Young kids are impressionable.  Why is it necessary for elementary teachers to talk about their private lives, sexuality and sex organs?  I don't remember my elementary teachers ever talking about stuff like that.  Those topics can be discussed in health class in middle school.  Teachers developing these secret relationships with kids behind the parents back reeks of grooming.  It's baffling to me that so many here are supporting this.

I think this is a HUGE concern.

while the students are older, they are just as much impressionable and there is also something that no one is mentioning, the power dynamic as HS teacher or college professor has over a student.

It is often very hard for a student to push back or disagree with a professor or HS teacher, esp ones who show very deep passion for personal topics such as race, politics or current events, as there is a fear that the teacher would use it against the student when it comes to grades, esp when things like college acceptance and GPA is on the line. 

Top put it in other terms, I coach kids ice hockey. We have to take a course called "safe sport" that deals with many issues between the coaches and players. One of which is this very similar power dynamic. Coaches hold the keys to playing time and maybe even college recommendations. Many times players feel its better to shut up or suck it up so not to risk getting benched b/c you pissed off the coach over something that might not have been game related. 

There was a video the OP posted about the college student debating the professor about police. This is very rare in the classroom and it allows some politically or socially driven teachers/profs to use their podium in front of the classroom as a pulpit w/o any pushback

as for your 2nd paragraph, I agree 100%