I would say about even, because Lion fans actually believe the next year will be the year.That makes them slightly more rational than Raiders fans.Every Lions fan I know throws up his hands and says "That's it.... NO MORE!!!"Wait didn't BL publically denounce his DET fandom in this very board last season?
Until next season begins.
Lions, losses... @CAR, @NE, @ARZ... and BUF at home, but BUF is legit.
I can't explain the CAR game other than it was early in the season before CAR imploded (but they've since come back to play for the division title).
This should be an epic close game but I wouldn't worry about the Lions on the road... should they lose I think they will destroy DAL and be a good matchup against SEA.
Shtick?The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
Right, beacause sports are completely linear.Jimmy Clausen throws 2 TDs against the Lions but Rodgers will only manage six points...
How many TDs did Rogers throw last time the Lions played Green Bay?Jimmy Clausen throws 2 TDs against the Lions but Rodgers will only manage six points...
The * is that the last 2 games were at Ford Field.You can't draw too many conclusions from that. GB is an entirely different team at home.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
Only one more than Stafford.How many TDs did Rogers throw last time the Lions played Green Bay?Jimmy Clausen throws 2 TDs against the Lions but Rodgers will only manage six points...
The lowest points the Packers have scored at home this year is 26 points vs NE, they have scored over 50 twice and 40 twice. Packers are a different team at home. Packers will score more the 6 points in the first 5 minutes of the game. Lions have a good team, but they will have to score more then 20 to beat the Packers at home. I like the match up if Detroit plays Dallas in the playoffs, but if they have to go to Seattle after that, I don't think they can beat the Seahawks on the road.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
And Detroit is a different team on the road. However, I think Detroit is really 'up' for this game though, so they could make it interesting.The * is that the last 2 games were at Ford Field.You can't draw too many conclusions from that. GB is an entirely different team at home.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
QB's who can scramble is one of the weaknesses of Detroit's defense. Even Rodgers' scrambling ability is enough to make a difference in Sundays game.The lowest points the Packers have scored at home this year is 26 points vs NE, they have scored over 50 twice and 40 twice. Packers are a different team at home. Packers will score more the 6 points in the first 5 minutes of the game. Lions have a good team, but they will have to score more then 20 to beat the Packers at home. I like the match up if Detroit plays Dallas in the playoffs, but if they have to go to Seattle after that, I don't think they can beat the Seahawks on the road.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
Rodgers has been limited all week, and he's coming off a game in which he had 0 scrambles in 71 plays.QB's who can scramble is one of the weaknesses of Detroit's defense. Even Rodgers' scrambling ability is enough to make a difference in Sundays game.The lowest points the Packers have scored at home this year is 26 points vs NE, they have scored over 50 twice and 40 twice. Packers are a different team at home. Packers will score more the 6 points in the first 5 minutes of the game. Lions have a good team, but they will have to score more then 20 to beat the Packers at home. I like the match up if Detroit plays Dallas in the playoffs, but if they have to go to Seattle after that, I don't think they can beat the Seahawks on the road.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
I'll take that prop bet.The lowest points the Packers have scored at home this year is 26 points vs NE, they have scored over 50 twice and 40 twice. Packers are a different team at home. Packers will score more the 6 points in the first 5 minutes of the game. Lions have a good team, but they will have to score more then 20 to beat the Packers at home. I like the match up if Detroit plays Dallas in the playoffs, but if they have to go to Seattle after that, I don't think they can beat the Seahawks on the road.The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
You don't think the oddsmakers took ALL of that into consideration and still installed the Pack as 7.5 point favorites?The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
Yea, I have a bad feeling about this game.Worst 11-4 team ever? Come on now. #2 D in the NFL and good array of offensive weapons.Been hearing the Lions are the worst 11-4 team in NFL history. I guess we'll find out on Sunday.
If the Packer team that plays vs. Tampa shows up, flip a coin....
However....
If the Packer team that played New England shows up......
I was with you during your entire post, until the bold. Why should they win?bostonfred said:I actually like Detroit ats or money line. 8+ points is a lot of points for a team that already lost to the Lions once and isn't playing their best ball right now. I think green bay deserves to be favored, but if you're playing for entertainment purposes I think the Lions are the smart pick because they should win or keep it within seven more than 50% of the time.
With a 2-3 record in those games.Calvin last 5 v GB:
6-101-1
10-118-0
5-143-1
11-244-1
6-82-0
How did you guys lose two to the Lions?With a 2-3 record in those games. Yea, he's a big deal, but not that much.Calvin last 5 v GB:
6-101-1
10-118-0
5-143-1
11-244-1
6-82-0
Packers 24, Lions 20.
Lions’ focus: O-line, center of attention – The hits keep on coming on quarterback Matthew Stafford, and the Packers will want to add to the total to keep the Lions’ offense from getting any rhythm and momentum.
The Lions have to do something they’ve had trouble with all season – protect the quarterback. How they adjust to how the Packers use linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers is a key issue, but there is no doubt that they’ll try to take advantage of a young offensive line with two rookie starters.
Travis Swanson is making his first pro start at center because of a one-game suspension levied against Dominic Raiola for stomping a Bears defensive player in last week’s game. Also because of injuries, Cornelius Lucas III is starting his third game, and his second at right tackle.
Matthews and Peppers are big-play performers with a record of disrupting offenses. They were at their best in last week’s win at Tampa Bay in a game the Packers had to win to set up Sunday’s showdown for the division title.
The Bucs were held to six first downs and 109 yards of offense. Matthews had 2.5 sacks, two other quarterback hits, a tackle for loss and a pass breakup. Peppers, playing 31 of 49 snaps, had two sacks and a forced fumble.
Matthews leads the Packers with 10 sacks, and Peppers has seven despite playing a reduced snap count that keeps him fresh in his 13th pro season.
Packers focus: Lacy vs. No. 1 rush defense – Eddie Lacy has been one of the NFL’s most productive running backs in the second half of the season, but he’s going against one of the NFL’s top defenses overall and the best running defense by a wide margin.
The Lions have given up 63.8 yards per game, 3.1 yards per rush and 52 rushing first downs. They are No. 1 in all three categories.
But Lacy is a special player, with power, speed and balance. He’s also an effective receiver out of the backfield. As a runner, Lacy has 1,039 yards, a 4.7-yard average per carry and 10 TDs. He has 39 receptions for 401 yards and four TDs.
“Eddie’s really been playing great football for a long time,” said Packers coach Mike McCarthy. “I don’t know what the stats are, but it’s been at least two months he’s had over 100 yards of production in each game.
“Sometimes, if people are going to use their stats as a basis for overall analysis, you’ve got to get a look at more than just running attempts. He’s a three-down down player, which he wasn’t last year. His opportunities also do come in the passing game.”
Lacy stat I: He ranks seventh in the NFL with 1,039 yards and has only two games of 100 or more yards rushing.
Lacy stat II: However, he’s had rushing totals of 97, 98 and 99 yards – about as close to 100 yards as a back can get without hitting it.
Lacy stat III: He has gone over the 100-yard mark in yards from scrimmage – yards gained rushing and receiving – in the last eight games.
Series history: The Packers have a 94-65 lead in the regular season, with two ties. They are 2-0 in the playoffs.
1991 game: The Lions clinched a playoff berth with a 21-17 victory at Lambeau in Game 15. The next week they won at Buffalo in overtime to finish 12-4 and win the old NFC Central.
Game 3 rewind: Defense was key for the Lions in a 19-7 win over the Packers at Ford Field. Don Carey returned a fumble for the Lions’ first touchdown, and DeAndre Levy tackled Eddie Lacy in the end zone for a safety. The Packers’ offense was held to 223 total yards and 147 passing.
Packers stats pack
Record: 11-4, tied for first in NFC North with Lions, who have tiebreaker advantage.
Rankings (yards per game): Offense – 11 rushing (117.7), 7 passing, (269.1) 6 total (386.7); Defense – 22 rushing (120.5), 10 passing (228.1), 12 total (348.6).
Turnovers: No. 1 in the NFL at plus 15 – 26 takeaways (18 interceptions, 8 fumble recoveries); 11 giveaways (6 interceptions, 5 fumbles lost).
Sacks: 39 sacks for the defense, 29 allowed on offense.
Penalties/yards: 87/735.
Third-down conversions: Offense 85-184, 46.2 pct.; 79-195, 40.5 pct.
Red Zone TD rate: Offense – 34-60, 56.7 pct.; Defense – 25-46, 54.3 pct.
Ball control: 939 plays run on offense to 988 for opponents; 30:07 average possession time.
Lions stats pack
Record: 11-4, tied for first in the NFC North with Packers; Lions have tiebreaker advantage.
Rankings (yards per game): Offense – 27 rushing (87.4), 11 passing (255.2), 18 total (342.6); Defense – 1 rushing (63.8), 13 passing (232.1) 2 total (295.9).
Turnovers: Plus 6 – 25 takeaways (20 interceptions, 5 fumble recoveries); 19 giveaways (12 interceptions, 7 lost fumbles).
Sacks: 41 by the defense, 43 allowed on offense.
Penalties/yards: 108/936.
Third-down conversions: Offense – 82-212, 38.7 pct.; Defense – 69-194, 35.6 pct.
Red Zone TD rate: Offense – 23-45, 51.1 pct.; Defense – 23-45, 51.1 pct.
Ball control: 979 plays run on offense to 922 for opponents; 32:05 average possession time.
Well that's not good@LRiddickESPN: Matt Stafford : 0-15 in career in road games against teams that finished the season over .500. #Lions
And not much better if you add in the home games. At best - BUF loses & MIA wins this w/e - he'll be 4-28 overall v. teams that finished w/ a winning record pending Sunday's outcome.@LRiddickESPN: Matt Stafford : 0-15 in career in road games against teams that finished the season over .500. #Lions
You realize both of those games were in Detroit...and one was without Rodgers right?The Packers offense has been consistently dominated by the Lions defense in the last two meetings. Pack had 126 TOTAL yards and then 223 total yards in the two losses. This looks like a mismatch. Historically, the Packers have been dominating this series but it is ALL Lions now. Lacy totally shut down twice I have to pick a Lions rout until the Packers offense shows me it can do something against the Lions D.
Too much focus is on the Lions offense vs Packers defense. I don't expect the Lions to score 40 but the Pack definitely have something to prove.
20-6 Lions.
They only played 5 teams with a winning record and lost 3. It's difficult to know how good this team really is due to the strength of schedule. The home win against the Pack was probably their best win of the season. Hopefully they can do it again.Lions, losses... @CAR, @NE, @ARZ... and BUF at home, but BUF is legit.
I can't explain the CAR game other than it was early in the season before CAR imploded (but they've since come back to play for the division title).
This should be an epic close game but I wouldn't worry about the Lions on the road... should they lose I think they will destroy DAL and be a good matchup against SEA.
The man's name is Odell Beckham, Jr. you might want to check him out for next year.Wow lol
Edit. How did Rodgers suck the last few games and bring you home to a fantasy title?
A real safety or one of them phoney intentional grounding safety?I think the game will be decided by a last minute safety, just not sure for what team.
The Lambeau unbeaten streak will end at some point
I would agree with that, except its not just one game, its 2. They also handily beat the Pack with Rodgers playing. I'm ready to jump on board a 2-game trend. I willing to say the trend in this series has changed, with the Lions now in control.Some prognosticators here seem to be putting a fair amount of emphasis on Detroit's 2 game win streak, a streak that includes a game with Rodgers and Cobb out, among others. That game just possibly may be indicative of nothing. Still, one finds hope where one can.
Good grief, Riversco! What?I would agree with that, except its not just one game, its 2. They also handily beat the Pack with Rodgers playing. I'm ready to jump on board a 2-game trend. I willing to say the trend in this series has changed, with the Lions now in control.Some prognosticators here seem to be putting a fair amount of emphasis on Detroit's 2 game win streak, a streak that includes a game with Rodgers and Cobb out, among others. That game just possibly may be indicative of nothing. Still, one finds hope where one can.
I don't know where you live but I don't know one person who thinks the Lions will win. Do they think they are good enough to compete? Yes, but I think you are mistaking respect for being afraid. I know its hard to think of the Lions as deserving respect though.When and if the Lions win this game we will hear nothing but how the Packers blew it.
The one sided coverage of this game is enough to make you sick. This is a different Packers team than earlier in the season....whatever. This is a different Lions team than we have ever seen but no one seems to be able to see that through the years of losing. The Lambeau unbeaten streak will end at some point, and people are going to have to find another reason the Lions won't win there, because that excuse is pretty lazy and pathetic.
Rodgers has looked like garbage the last few games, and when we stuff Fat Eddy it's going to be on. Rodgers interception steak ends, Lacy limps off, and they just can't find a way to cover Calvin.
Remember the game earlier this year where Rodgers looked like he had no where to go. I couldn't believe he didn't just take off and run with the ball....make something happen.......instead of taking those sacks. Then I realized this is how you contain him...and believe me the Lions didn't forget. It doesn't make a pinch of #### difference whether the game is inside or outside when it comes to containing Rodgers.
I'm so glad this is the way the season turned out...because now that the fantasy season is over and Rodgers brought me home the money, I can go back to hating the Packers with a passion. Well, and of course their arrogant, beer swilling, cheesy brat eating fans.
I find it funny the things being said here....I live smack dab in the middle of Packerland and let me tell you the Packer fans are scared ####less about this game.
Of course none of you cheeser's are going to admit it, but I have a lot of friends that are Packer fans, and not just bandwagon homers. They know the REALITY is the Packers could lose this game, and it's not a given just because it is in GB, and the Lions haven't won there in years past.I don't know where you live but I don't know one person who thinks the Lions will win. Do they think they are good enough to compete? Yes, but I think you are mistaking respect for being afraid. I know its hard to think of the Lions as deserving respect though.When and if the Lions win this game we will hear nothing but how the Packers blew it.
The one sided coverage of this game is enough to make you sick. This is a different Packers team than earlier in the season....whatever. This is a different Lions team than we have ever seen but no one seems to be able to see that through the years of losing. The Lambeau unbeaten streak will end at some point, and people are going to have to find another reason the Lions won't win there, because that excuse is pretty lazy and pathetic.
Rodgers has looked like garbage the last few games, and when we stuff Fat Eddy it's going to be on. Rodgers interception steak ends, Lacy limps off, and they just can't find a way to cover Calvin.
Remember the game earlier this year where Rodgers looked like he had no where to go. I couldn't believe he didn't just take off and run with the ball....make something happen.......instead of taking those sacks. Then I realized this is how you contain him...and believe me the Lions didn't forget. It doesn't make a pinch of #### difference whether the game is inside or outside when it comes to containing Rodgers.
I'm so glad this is the way the season turned out...because now that the fantasy season is over and Rodgers brought me home the money, I can go back to hating the Packers with a passion. Well, and of course their arrogant, beer swilling, cheesy brat eating fans.
I find it funny the things being said here....I live smack dab in the middle of Packerland and let me tell you the Packer fans are scared ####less about this game.![]()
Also if the Packers lose it is there fault because they shouldn't lose this game at home to the Lions.
Finally if you don't want one sided talk then have the Lions actually do something of worth in the last 20 years to get some more respect. Plus I think you forget that the Packers are at HOME in this game or did I forget that the Lions beat the Packers at home recently?
So talk all big if you want but I can understand why you might consider the poor poor packer fans arrogant thinking their team that 99% of the NFL community thinks is the superior team AT HOME is going to win.
In order I found searching:Of course none of you cheeser's are going to admit it, but I have a lot of friends that are Packer fans, and not just bandwagon homers. They know the REALITY is the Packers could lose this game, and it's not a given just because it is in GB, and the Lions haven't won there in years past.I don't know where you live but I don't know one person who thinks the Lions will win. Do they think they are good enough to compete? Yes, but I think you are mistaking respect for being afraid. I know its hard to think of the Lions as deserving respect though.When and if the Lions win this game we will hear nothing but how the Packers blew it.
The one sided coverage of this game is enough to make you sick. This is a different Packers team than earlier in the season....whatever. This is a different Lions team than we have ever seen but no one seems to be able to see that through the years of losing. The Lambeau unbeaten streak will end at some point, and people are going to have to find another reason the Lions won't win there, because that excuse is pretty lazy and pathetic.
Rodgers has looked like garbage the last few games, and when we stuff Fat Eddy it's going to be on. Rodgers interception steak ends, Lacy limps off, and they just can't find a way to cover Calvin.
Remember the game earlier this year where Rodgers looked like he had no where to go. I couldn't believe he didn't just take off and run with the ball....make something happen.......instead of taking those sacks. Then I realized this is how you contain him...and believe me the Lions didn't forget. It doesn't make a pinch of #### difference whether the game is inside or outside when it comes to containing Rodgers.
I'm so glad this is the way the season turned out...because now that the fantasy season is over and Rodgers brought me home the money, I can go back to hating the Packers with a passion. Well, and of course their arrogant, beer swilling, cheesy brat eating fans.
I find it funny the things being said here....I live smack dab in the middle of Packerland and let me tell you the Packer fans are scared ####less about this game.![]()
Also if the Packers lose it is there fault because they shouldn't lose this game at home to the Lions.
Finally if you don't want one sided talk then have the Lions actually do something of worth in the last 20 years to get some more respect. Plus I think you forget that the Packers are at HOME in this game or did I forget that the Lions beat the Packers at home recently?
So talk all big if you want but I can understand why you might consider the poor poor packer fans arrogant thinking their team that 99% of the NFL community thinks is the superior team AT HOME is going to win.
99%, really? I think you might be exaggerating a bit there. Oh yeah that's right you cheeser's think the NFL community is Packerland.