Lions to have RBBC (1 Viewer)

[Family Matters]

He gets way too emotional about his side and that gets the better of him, as evident by the two sig bet losses in his signature.

has anyone ever lost more sig bets than ten times?this is a serious question.

I goona guess 10 times?

 

[-OZ-]

My take on the situation: Chris Brown is safe, with decent upside (#21 at worst, #13 at best), whileKJ is a bit risky, with bigger upside (#32 at worst, #10 at best).

So, I'll slightly disagree and say ...Chris Brown - #28 floor, #16 ceilingKevin Jones - #22 floor, #9 ceilingFood for thought though here, although I might agree that CB's value has a much higher chance of being closer to his respective ceiling. That said, I would take Jones in the mid to late 3rd where CB would have to wait until the mid 4th before I'd pull the trigger on him.

Maybe I just don't get it, but how can the "floor" for a rookie be the #22 RB?

 

[FFFIEND]

Jones will blow away the competition in camp...this writer has no idea what he's talking about.

Hey, I agree with you !!

I still think A Pinner has the talent to put a damper on KJ's rookie year. Pinner has recovered from his injury.... otherwise he would have been a 1st round pick too!KJ = 65%AP = 35%Det rushing ranks 21 in NFL...... improvement, but not leaps.

I agree. AP is more than capapble of breaking up the carries so that Jones isn't a very appealing #2RB for most fantasy teams.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My take on the situation: Chris Brown is safe, with decent upside (#21 at worst, #13 at best), whileKJ is a bit risky, with bigger upside (#32 at worst, #10 at best).

So, I'll slightly disagree and say ...Chris Brown - #28 floor, #16 ceilingKevin Jones - #22 floor, #9 ceilingFood for thought though here, although I might agree that CB's value has a much higher chance of being closer to his respective ceiling. That said, I would take Jones in the mid to late 3rd where CB would have to wait until the mid 4th before I'd pull the trigger on him.

I've had enough of this condescending talk Radballs. All you do is disagree w/ me, regardless of what I say. On top of that you have no data, or reasoning for the discrepancies.... I can see how Colin and LHucks got so involved, that was kinda' refreshing.Regarding the floor of KJ being #22, and Brown's ceiling being #16; I don't get it. Brown is in a system that sees their main back receive 300 plus carries consistently and has a qb that is a clear-cut stud. Additionally, only 8 teams rushed the ball more times than Tennessee did last year!!KJ will probably receive the majority of carries for a team that only had 376 rushes last year (No other team had fewer; and only one other team had less than 400!!!). IF he receives 70% of those carries (which would be extraordinarily high, especially for a rookie = to put it in perspective, J-Lew had 70% last year); he will only have 263 carries (This is your best case scenario!). Add to that, that Detroit only had 5 rushing TD's ALL of last year, I'm not seeing how KJ is the safer pick. I have KJ w/ more upside, only bc this team has a ton of young weapons that could gel, and turn things around. Unfortunately, experience generally wins in the NFL, and it is quite unlikely, IMHO.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If I/m gonne lose 10 sig bets, I'm going to need to particpiate in more along the way! Those are the only 2 I've done, and I'velost both, IIRC.Colin

 

[Family Matters]

Oh boy, here we go again.

 

[TenTimes]

He gets way too emotional about his side and that gets the better of him, as evident by the two sig bet losses in his signature.

has anyone ever lost more sig bets than ten times?this is a serious question.

As far as I can remember I've only lost 1 (that doesn't mean I haven't lost more, that's just how many I can remember). Maybe you can refresh my memory.And the 1 was a sucker bet. I sig bet Fucla that Notre Dame would beat USC because he was calling people out on this game and absolutely NOBODY represented for ND. I felt bad for the Irish and thought somebody should step up for them, so I did, even though I knew it was a sure loss. s'agger let his emotions get the better of him twice against me. Once early last season when the Titans beat the Raiders and again 2 seasons ago when the Spurs beat the Lakers. That's it. 3 sig bets. 2-1, not too bad, could be worse anyway. This is a serious answer

 

[LHUCKS]

Jones will blow away the competition in camp...this writer has no idea what he's talking about.

Hey, I agree with you !!

I still think A Pinner has the talent to put a damper on KJ's rookie year. Pinner has recovered from his injury.... otherwise he would have been a 1st round pick too!KJ = 65%AP = 35%Det rushing ranks 21 in NFL...... improvement, but not leaps.

I agree. AP is more than capapble of breaking up the carries so that Jones isn't a very appealing #2RB for most fantasy teams.

Two points:1) I think Bryson is getting lost in the mix here. I believe him to be much more of a threat to KJ's carries/touches.2) I think it's a safe assumption that Detroit will run the ball a little more this year...mostly because the offense should be improved which means it will be on the field more. Generally that equates into more total carries. Also, with a weapon like Jones one would think Mooch would be a little more apt to run the ball.

 

[JohnnyU]

Jones will blow away the competition in camp...this writer has no idea what he's talking about.

Hey, I agree with you !!

I still think A Pinner has the talent to put a damper on KJ's rookie year. Pinner has recovered from his injury.... otherwise he would have been a 1st round pick too!KJ = 65%AP = 35%Det rushing ranks 21 in NFL...... improvement, but not leaps.

I agree. AP is more than capapble of breaking up the carries so that Jones isn't a very appealing #2RB for most fantasy teams.

Two points:1) I think Bryson is getting lost in the mix here. I believe him to be much more of a threat to KJ's carries/touches.2) I think it's a safe assumption that Detroit will run the ball a little more this year...mostly because the offense should be improved which means it will be on the field more. Generally that equates into more total carries. Also, with a weapon like Jones one would think Mooch would be a little more apt to run the ball.

I agree that Det will run the ball more and the reason you gave is valid. I will also add the Det coaches want to take as much pressure off of Harrington as possible (reduce his interceptions). Add that with the fact their WR's are so young (although talented). I believe DET will be a better offensive team in 2004, but that talent won't be ready to explode for a couple of years. For now, Det needs to give Harrington a game plan where he doesn't lose games for them.

 

[jurb26]

I for one am very high on both Jones and Browm this year. I see their situations as being very similar to one another and both have a head start to the feature role IMO. I don't however feel like getting invloved in the pissing match between the 2 though. I have to say that it is VERY disturbing to me that only LHUCKS got slaped on the wrist here. Regardless of who you think was more to blame. Both were involved and it looks like favorites are being played in that only one is disciplined for the actions and that that one was not a staff member. I don't know if I should take this as some sort of warning or what when responding to Staff posts now or what. Clarification would be nice here.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have to say that it is VERY disturbing to me that only LHUCKS got slaped on the wrist here. Regardless of who you think was more to blame. Both were involved and it looks like favorites are being played in that only one is disciplined for the actions and that that one was not a staff member. I don't know if I should take this as some sort of warning or what when responding to Staff posts now or what. Clarification would be nice here.

Shick posted one comment to Colin about his communication with LHUCKS. Shick - "Also, I agree Colin has come back at you with the same attitude"

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

He gets way too emotional about his side and that gets the better of him, as evident by the two sig bet losses in his signature.

has anyone ever lost more sig bets than ten times?this is a serious question.

As far as I can remember I've only lost 1 (that doesn't mean I haven't lost more, that's just how many I can remember). Maybe you can refresh my memory.And the 1 was a sucker bet. I sig bet Fucla that Notre Dame would beat USC because he was calling people out on this game and absolutely NOBODY represented for ND. I felt bad for the Irish and thought somebody should step up for them, so I did, even though I knew it was a sure loss. s'agger let his emotions get the better of him twice against me. Once early last season when the Titans beat the Raiders and again 2 seasons ago when the Spurs beat the Lakers. That's it. 3 sig bets. 2-1, not too bad, could be worse anyway. This is a serious answer

ok...I just had a vague memory of you losing most bets you take around here.could be that I was mistaken.

 

[jurb26]

I for one am very high on both Jones and Browm this year.  I see their situations as being very similar to one another and both have a head start to the feature role IMO.  I don't however feel like getting invloved in the pissing match between the 2 though.  I have to say that it is VERY disturbing to me that only LHUCKS got slaped on the wrist here.  Regardless of who you think was more to blame.  Both were involved and it looks like favorites are being played in that only one is disciplined for the actions and that that one was not a staff member. I don't know if I should take this as some sort of warning or what when responding to Staff posts now or what. Clarification would be nice here.

Shick posted one comment to Colin about his communication with LHUCKS. Shick - "Also, I agree Colin has come back at you with the same attitude"

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I for one am very high on both Jones and Browm this year. I see their situations as being very similar to one another and both have a head start to the feature role IMO. I don't however feel like getting invloved in the pissing match between the 2 though. I have to say that it is VERY disturbing to me that only LHUCKS got slaped on the wrist here. Regardless of who you think was more to blame. Both were involved and it looks like favorites are being played in that only one is disciplined for the actions and that that one was not a staff member. I don't know if I should take this as some sort of warning or what when responding to Staff posts now or what. Clarification would be nice here.

I didn't see anyone get slapped on the wrist. Shick! simply came in and defused the situation. nobody got a timeout or anything.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

what would you have preferred? a public flogging for Colin?

 

[TenTimes]

ok...I just had a vague memory of you losing most bets you take around here.could be that I was mistaken.

No problem. I do make quite a few predictions in the FFA, and I am notorious for being wrong, or jinxing whatever side I am on, but I rarely do the sig bets anymore.

 

[JohnnyU]

I for one am very high on both Jones and Browm this year. I see their situations as being very similar to one another and both have a head start to the feature role IMO. I don't however feel like getting invloved in the pissing match between the 2 though. I have to say that it is VERY disturbing to me that only LHUCKS got slaped on the wrist here. Regardless of who you think was more to blame. Both were involved and it looks like favorites are being played in that only one is disciplined for the actions and that that one was not a staff member. I don't know if I should take this as some sort of warning or what when responding to Staff posts now or what. Clarification would be nice here.

Shick posted one comment to Colin about his communication with LHUCKS. Shick - "Also, I agree Colin has come back at you with the same attitude"

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

Don't you agree that heated arguments happen all the time on this board? My opinion is that no one should have been called out. No one was slammed too personally. At least no more than happens on a daily bases. Both Colin, LHUCK, and myself had differences of opinion, and I don't recall it being anything more than some offensive and defensive smack. Lighten up Francis Now don't take that personally, lol

 

[jurb26]

Don't you agree that heated arguments happen all the time on this board? My opinion is that no one should have been called out. No one was slammed too personally. At least no more than happens on a daily bases. Both Colin, LHUCK, and myself had differences of opinion, and I don't recall it being anything more than some offensive and defensive smack. Lighten up Francis Now don't take that personally, lol

Yes I do agree, what I don't and still don't understand though is why only one person staff or not was sited originally though. Personally I though all the comments fine and entertaining. Both were invloved though.

 

[jurb26]

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

what would you have preferred? a public flogging for Colin?

This doesn't help in the least.

 

[Family Matters]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

 

[JohnnyU]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

I agree with you 100% FM Ego's get in the way sometimes, with each person having the need to be right. If we all can come to the conclusion that it isn't important to prove to everyone how right we are, then the data, analysis, etc., will be in the forefront, not the pissing. Did you know that a lot of marriages end in divorce over both having to be right all the time?

 

[BGP]

LHUCKS - you make some good points, but if I may attempt to answer your questions, I'll try to do so..

If Pinner is a stud, why would they Draft Jones with so many other pressing needs?

Look no further than Denver, Philadelphia, Jacksonville. Every team wants the so-called stud RB, yet even teams with talented first round RBs need more than one to carry the load at times.

The proper question is:Why did the Lions trade UP into the first round to grab Kevin Jones if he's just gonna be a part-time back with Pinner?

It makes no sense. Period. KJ didn't fall into their laps - they went and GOT him. The lions coughed up the 2.04, 4.09 AND their 5th round pick in 2005 to go get Kevin Jones. Why do that when there are other guys on the board you can plug into some RBBC?

Don't overthink the Lions' backfield. They traded up and got KJ to carry the load.

 

[jurb26]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

Well I'm sorry FM, but I am concerned about it because it may have an impact on how other staff/reg member dicussions go down. I don't want to feel as though I need to hold back just because they may be of high "rank" or what ever.

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS - you make some good points, but if I may attempt to answer your questions, I'll try to do so..

If Pinner is a stud, why would they Draft Jones with so many other pressing needs?

Look no further than Denver, Philadelphia, Jacksonville. Every team wants the so-called stud RB, yet even teams with talented first round RBs need more than one to carry the load at times.

The proper question is:Why did the Lions trade UP into the first round to grab Kevin Jones if he's just gonna be a part-time back with Pinner?

It makes no sense. Period. KJ didn't fall into their laps - they went and GOT him. The lions coughed up the 2.04, 4.09 AND their 5th round pick in 2005 to go get Kevin Jones. Why do that when there are other guys on the board you can plug into some RBBC?

Don't overthink the Lions' backfield. They traded up and got KJ to carry the load.

...especially considering the Lions had so many other pressing needs on defense.Also, I define RBBC as a situation where not one player gets at least 70% of the touches. 70 is obviously an arbitrary number, but my point is that players don't have to get 90% of the touches for the situation to not be characterized as a RBBC...just wanted to make sure we're all using the same vocabulary.

 

[JohnnyU]

LHUCKS - you make some good points, but if I may attempt to answer your questions, I'll try to do so..

If Pinner is a stud, why would they Draft Jones with so many other pressing needs?

Look no further than Denver, Philadelphia, Jacksonville. Every team wants the so-called stud RB, yet even teams with talented first round RBs need more than one to carry the load at times.

The proper question is:Why did the Lions trade UP into the first round to grab Kevin Jones if he's just gonna be a part-time back with Pinner?

It makes no sense. Period. KJ didn't fall into their laps - they went and GOT him. The lions coughed up the 2.04, 4.09 AND their 5th round pick in 2005 to go get Kevin Jones. Why do that when there are other guys on the board you can plug into some RBBC?

Don't overthink the Lions' backfield. They traded up and got KJ to carry the load.

...especially considering the Lions had so many other pressing needs on defense.

I think it was one of the most shrewd moves in years to move up to get KJ the way they did.

 

[Family Matters]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

Well I'm sorry FM, but I am concerned about it because it may have an impact on how other staff/reg member dicussions go down. I don't want to feel as though I need to hold back just because they may be of high "rank" or what ever.

No need to apologize. I'm not pointing any fingers. My comments are for all of us. Just trying to get the train back on the tracks and rolling with good comentary again. It has been quite an experience for all of us to learn from.This is a great board comprised of an excellent staf and members. Working together is what makes it work so well. Devisiveness (hope I spelled it correctly) will only cause the board to lose it's value. So let's pull together, support one another and focus on the FF mission!

 

[Family Matters]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

I agree with you 100% FM Ego's get in the way sometimes, with each person having the need to be right. If we all can come to the conclusion that it isn't important to prove to everyone how right we are, then the data, analysis, etc., will be in the forefront, not the pissing. Did you know that a lot of marriages end in divorce over both having to be right all the time?

Really? Marriages end over communication problems? I'm shocked! LOLSeriously though, you are right on. It's up to each of to be accountable for what we post and how we choose to react to posts.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Steve Mariucci stated that Kevin Jones was the #1 RB on their board. I don't think they would have put Pinner in their top-5 last year.Jones will have to prove himself a capable blocker to stay on the field as much as possible, but he should still get the majority of work.RBBC does not generally lead to successful teams. There have been exceptions like the Eagles last year, but for the most part strong teams have 1 RB step up and carry the load. I see one player capable of elevating the entire play of the Lions offense, and that player is Kevin Jones.Once training camp starts, it will likely be apparent how much better he is than Pinner and Bryson, and he will become an established starter and feature back early on. There might be a setback or two, but for a young team, they are going to give him every chance, and I expect him to do well with it.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

It seems that everyone has and is over reacting to the discussion. Let it go. It's done and over. At the rate this thread is going we will have covered everyone's inperfections and make issue with it. There is no need for that. We need to keep focused on FF. I'm more interested in the data, information and analysis. I'm less interested in how it's posted. This isn't a beauty contest.Now what do you say about let's get back to business.

Well I'm sorry FM, but I am concerned about it because it may have an impact on how other staff/reg member dicussions go down. I don't want to feel as though I need to hold back just because they may be of high "rank" or what ever.

jurb, nothing happened to LHUCKS, and Shick! even stated specifically that he had done nothing wrong.I think you are making an issue here, where there really isn't one.Both guys have let it go. Not sure why we need to keep rehashing the issue. If you have a problem with the way it was handled, I'd suggest taking it up with Shick! as he and Maxwell are the two guys mainly responsible for moderating the message boards. The rest of us staff members are not much different than the regular posters. I'm sure if we do something wrong, we'll hear about it...it just might happen behind the scenes rather than in front of everybody else.

 

[LHUCKS]

Jones will have to prove himself a capable blocker to stay on the field as much as possible, but he should still get the majority of work.

It will be interesting to see if Jones will have as hard of a time picking up the blocking schemes as Barlow in SF.I think Bryson is a shoe-in for the majority of third downs...at least in the first half of the season.

 

[jurb26]

I'm sure if we do something wrong, we'll hear about it...it just might happen behind the scenes rather than in front of everybody else.

That is all I needed to hear right there. Oh and I wasn't trying to rehash anything, simply looking for clarification/answer to something I did not fully understand. Sorry if that ruffles peoples feathers.

 

[Colin Dowling]

To be fair, I posted my "attitude retraction" before I saw Shick! or any one else checking in. I realized I was going overboard, and for that I was/am sorry. The root of my fervor comes from the fact that I believe both of these situations (KJ and CB) are ripe for outproducing their draft positions by a huge amount. If I "started it", than i"m doubly sorry - I only got that way because to be the best, you have to learn from and with the best. LHUCKS is a solid FF'er (as are a great number of people here.) If we weren't all so interested in winning winning winning winning, we'd likely buy a magazine on draft day and that would be that...COlin

 

[Silverstreak]

Damn...u 2 outta get a room!!!

 

[Kleck]

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

what would you have preferred? a public flogging for Colin?

This could be arranged. Set us up the poll? Maybe we could sell tickets...

 

[R.White]

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO). That person was not a Staff Member. It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive. thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault. This seems unfair and wrong to me. Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

what would you have preferred? a public flogging for Colin?

This could be arranged. Set us up the poll? Maybe we could sell tickets...

:rotflmao:

 

[Colin Dowling]

My interpretation comes from the fact that in Shicks orig post, only one person was called out (both should have been IMO).  That person was not a Staff Member.  It was after LUHCKS asked for more clarification the Colin was then sited and was sited in a defensive light rather than offensive.  thus portraying LHUCKS to be mainly at fault.  This seems unfair and wrong to me.  Also, my interpretation of the time and manor of the events is that Colin's were at 1st excused as there were only referenced to after the fact.

what would you have preferred? a public flogging for Colin?

This could be arranged. Set us up the poll? Maybe we could sell tickets...

:rotflmao:

Based on my showing in the recent "election", I think we could make some serious loot with this idea.... COlin

 

[Footballhead]

I've read the threads and I'm not going to pick sites but I hope both guys who post good infos on here will kiss up (literally), grab each others butt and make peace. Now back to the purpose of this thread...I have question for ya all.Joey Harrington had the fewest sacks among starting QB's last year (if I'm not mistaken) and this is more due to his quick release than anything. So why the #### is KJ's blocking capabilities is being questioned here? Even if its marginal, wouldn't that be enough?

 

[Colin Dowling]

I've read the threads and I'm not going to pick sites but I hope both guys who post good infos on here will kiss up (literally), grab each others butt and make peace. Now back to the purpose of this thread...I have question for ya all.Joey Harrington had the fewest sacks among starting QB's last year (if I'm not mistaken) and this is more due to his quick release than anything. So why the #### is KJ's blocking capabilities is being questioned here? Even if its marginal, wouldn't that be enough?

Harrington threw a TON of short passes. A ridiculous number, which helped him keep from getting sacked. However, if they plan on him taking a 7 step drop and sending one 40 yards downfield to a streaking Roy/Rogers (intended), he's going to need some protection. There's not a QB or offense in the league that doesn't need the RB to pick up a blitzer from time to time.COlin

 

[Footballhead]

There's not a QB or offense in the league that doesn't need the RB to pick up a blitzer from time to time.COlin

Agreed ....but it couldn't be that bad for KJ that he won't be able to pick the Safety blitzes (I'll assume that where they send in more than one after the QB), and with KJ's pass catching capability, I'm preety sure opposing D's will think twice before they do that. Wouldn't S Alexander help to that too? Just thinking out loud.

 

[taylorj99]

All of the resounding praise for Pinner is all well and good, but can anyone speculate as to why Detroit traded up to get KJ? Especially if they have so much confidence in Pinner. If there's no clear cut winner in TC...RBBC.

 

[Skeet Skeet]

All of the resounding praise for Pinner is all well and good

but hes not GREAT!

 

[switz]

Well, through all your drivel I've learned two things:a) Colin doesn't know how to be excellent, and can't let things gob) I still think KJ will be the clear starter in Detroit at some point this year, and I still think C Brown will be clearly the best RB in TEN this year and top-15 material

 

[switz]

nevermind this was cleared up earlier

 

[Tatonka]

LHUCKS - you make some good points, but if I may attempt to answer your questions, I'll try to do so..

If Pinner is a stud, why would they Draft Jones with so many other pressing needs?

Look no further than Denver, Philadelphia, Jacksonville. Every team wants the so-called stud RB, yet even teams with talented first round RBs need more than one to carry the load at times.

The proper question is:Why did the Lions trade UP into the first round to grab Kevin Jones if he's just gonna be a part-time back with Pinner?

It makes no sense. Period. KJ didn't fall into their laps - they went and GOT him. The lions coughed up the 2.04, 4.09 AND their 5th round pick in 2005 to go get Kevin Jones. Why do that when there are other guys on the board you can plug into some RBBC?

Don't overthink the Lions' backfield. They traded up and got KJ to carry the load.

great post.and add that to the fact that all the offensive players and coaches have been doing is raving about him since he got there.. about his speed.. his bowling over of defensive players.. ect..

1300 yards for him this year.

 

[jwvdcw]

Pinner is way better than many of you are giving him credit for. KJ will barely see the field. The coaching staff loves Pinner and hes proven himself time and time again.

 

[gman8343]

Pinner is way better than many of you are giving him credit for. KJ will barely see the field. The coaching staff loves Pinner and hes proven himself time and time again.

barley see the field...??gotta be

 

[The Nature Boy]

Pinner is way better than many of you are giving him credit for. KJ will barely see the field. The coaching staff loves Pinner and hes proven himself time and time again.

barley see the field...??gotta be

Seriously...deep sea.Pinner has proven himself time and time again?!?!?

Cast off...

 

[Sinrman]

Pinner is way better than many of you are giving him credit for. KJ will barely see the field. The coaching staff loves Pinner and hes proven himself time and time again.

Having drafted Pinner in the FBG Survivor challenge, part of me hopes this is true. However, the more sensible side of me, and being a Lions fan, says this won't be the case. Perhaps at the beginning, Pinner and Jones will split time, maybe 50/50 to start. Any number of things can happen such as injuries or being unproductive, which would change this. But overall, Jones is more talented, and think (minus injury), he will eventually get a greater share of the carries. After this year, unless Pinner just blows up this year, Artose will wind up being a 3rd down back or something like that, and Jones will take over for good...

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Notes from today's workout at the Lions camp...

HEAVY GOING: The Tuesday morning practice lasted two hours and 20 minutes, the Lions' longest session in the first four days of training camp."This is the time of camp where they're very tired, heavy-legged," Mariucci said. "The practices are a little bit longer right now. To push through these is very good."When we come out of these next few days we should start getting our legs back, but this was one of our longer practices of the training camp."Running back Kevin Jones was held out of part of the morning workout."He was getting a little tight so I kept him out for part," Mariucci said. "That's expected, and we usually get more tight legs with youngsters than we do with veterans. He started getting tight so, as a precaution, we held him out of the rest of practice and let the other guys practice."

LINKinnerownerhopingthisincitesarevolt:Ok, there's nothing here. Just passing on the only relavant news for the day.

 

[JohnnyU]

Pinner is way better than many of you are giving him credit for. KJ will barely see the field. The coaching staff loves Pinner and hes proven himself time and time again.

barley see the field...??gotta be

Seriously...deep sea.Pinner has proven himself time and time again?!?!?

Cast off...

Mr Flair, I agree that Pinner has proven himself over the years. I think 1 or 2 more years like last year and he is a sure HOF'er.