Lions want a 5th for McCown? (1 Viewer)

[Silver & Black]

Of note, McCown said he would accept a trade without demanding a new deal. Dude must really want out. Here's the blurb I saw.

Lions | Team looking to at least receive a fifth-round pick for McCown

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:02:06 -0700

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Detroit Lions are at least looking to get a fifth-round draft pick in the 2007 NFL Draft in exchange for QB Josh McCown, according to league sources. Several teams have been contacted, but the Oakland Raiders are making the most movement towards a trade for McCown. According to sources close to the backup quarterback, McCown would accept a trade without asking for a new deal.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

The Raiders should grab McCown.

It's an upgrade over any QB currently

on their roster.

 

[massraider]

The Raiders should grab McCown.It's an upgrade over any QB currentlyon their roster.

Heck, we could say that about you.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The Raiders should grab McCown.

It's an upgrade over any QB currently since Gannon.

on their roster.

fixed

 

[kaso]

Why wouldn't the Raiders make this trade for a 5th? Seems odd to me.

 

[Chadstroma]

Why wouldn't the Raiders make this trade for a 5th? Seems odd to me.

Think market value for McCown should be a 6th. Top pick in 6th round should be something the Lions would like to do. A trade like this before we get closer or on draft day is not likely. Wait.... it could happen.... just not now.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

why haven't we gone after any of the qb's that have changed teams?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hey Chiefs.. jump on this guy

 

[Chadstroma]

why haven't we gone after any of the qb's that have changed teams?

I think that free agent QB's were afraid of playing in Oakland because of the line protection (or better put.... lack of) last year. Not in a position to offer a huge contract...... not expected to win...... + get sacked near 100 times...... sign me up!

 

[Banger]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

why haven't we gone after any of the qb's that have changed teams?

I think that free agent QB's were afraid of playing in Oakland because of the line protection (or better put.... lack of) last year. Not in a position to offer a huge contract...... not expected to win...... + get sacked near 100 times...... sign me up!

$$ talks & unless you're happy carrying a clip board a shot to start is a shot to start.

 

[SammyJankis]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

Amen. Who in their right mind would give up any pick for McCown?Denny Green effectively bet his job in AZ that he could turn McCown into a starting-caliber NFL QB. How's that working out for him?

 

[msommer]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

Amen. Who in their right mind would give up any pick for McCown?Denny Green effectively bet his job in AZ that he could turn McCown into a starting-caliber NFL QB. How's that working out for him?

He got fired after letting him go to DET?

 

[Couch Potato]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

I disagree. A trade with the Raiders will happen, though I don't know what pick it'll end up at. The Lions have no intention of cutting him. Where did you get that?

 

[cstu]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

Amen. Who in their right mind would give up any pick for McCown?Denny Green effectively bet his job in AZ that he could turn McCown into a starting-caliber NFL QB. How's that working out for him?

McCown put up the same numbers when he was in AZ as Leinart did last year. The 3 years he played in AZ he had the worst rushing attack in the league.

 

[LionsFan78]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.

I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

 

[Banger]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

I disagree. A trade with the Raiders will happen, though I don't know what pick it'll end up at. The Lions have no intention of cutting him. Where did you get that?

I have no info whatsoever regarding if he'll get cut or not but I've seen it a million times where a team wants to trade player X for a bag of rocks (i.e. Carr) and two weeks later when no one inevitably bites they cut them. It usually involves players with higher salaries (or have no real future with the organization) and I have no idea what McCown salary details are but if he's being paid a lot to be a 3rd stringer there's a good chance he may get cut.

 

[Chunky Soup]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Yeah, but you're still paying for a guy who hasn't blossomed into anything after 5 full seasons into the league, even with opportunities. He starts the season 28 years old. He's not the answer, he'll just give you depth where they don't need it. They would be much better getting depth in their Oline.

 

[massraider]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Yeah, but you're still paying for a guy who hasn't blossomed into anything after 5 full seasons into the league, even with opportunities. He starts the season 28 years old. He's not the answer, he'll just give you depth where they don't need it. They would be much better getting depth in their Oline.

"Depth where they don't need it"Big Josh Booty fan, are ya?

 

[Warpig]

Hey Chiefs.. jump on this guy

I'd rather see what Huard and Croyle can do. They could use that draft pick elsewhere.Not saying he isn't worth a 5th...but I don't think he's much better than anything they have on roster at this point. Croyle is the mystery at the moment.

 

[Chunky Soup]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Yeah, but you're still paying for a guy who hasn't blossomed into anything after 5 full seasons into the league, even with opportunities. He starts the season 28 years old. He's not the answer, he'll just give you depth where they don't need it. They would be much better getting depth in their Oline.

"Depth where they don't need it"Big Josh Booty fan, are ya?

The Raiders don't need more trash back there. Thats my point. If they draft a rookie QB, whats the difference if McCown is in front or Andrew Walter? If they don't draft a rookie QB, McCown is certainly not the answer and I'd assume they'll be looking elsewhere.

 

[massraider]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Yeah, but you're still paying for a guy who hasn't blossomed into anything after 5 full seasons into the league, even with opportunities. He starts the season 28 years old. He's not the answer, he'll just give you depth where they don't need it. They would be much better getting depth in their Oline.

"Depth where they don't need it"Big Josh Booty fan, are ya?

The Raiders don't need more trash back there. Thats my point. If they draft a rookie QB, whats the difference if McCown is in front or Andrew Walter? If they don't draft a rookie QB, McCown is certainly not the answer and I'd assume they'll be looking elsewhere.

This team is going into August with two more QB's either way. Booty and Otis aren't making this roster.And McCown for a 5th has a better chance than a 5th round lineman of making this roster.

 

[billymays]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

Amen. Who in their right mind would give up any pick for McCown?Denny Green effectively bet his job in AZ that he could turn McCown into a starting-caliber NFL QB. How's that working out for him?

i guess he wasnt who he thought he wasas far as the lions go , i think they might try to trade just about anything they have so they can own every pick in the 5th round.

 

[hutchins929]

as far as the lions go , i think they might try to trade just about anything they have so they can own every pick in the 5th round.

I know they have quite a few... How many do they have? 5?

 

[hutchins929]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.

I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

recent history of QB's picked later then the 5th round2000 NFL Draft pick #168 (6th round) St. Louis pick Marc Bulger QB West Virginia

2000 NFL Draft pick #199 (6th round) New England pick Tom Brady QB Michigan

I think you left out some big named QB's!!! also look at the QB's that went on to have HOF carriers who were drafted late!

Hall of fame QB's that were drafted in the 5th round or later

1964 picked in the 10th round Roger Staubach QB Navy

1956 picked in the 17th round Bart Starr QB Alabama

1955 picked in the9th round Johnny Unitas QB Louisville

1949 picked in the 12th round Jim Finks QB Tulsa

1949 picked in the 12th round George Blanda QB Kentucky

1944 picked in the 5th round Bob Waterfield QB UCLA

 

[kaso]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.

I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

recent history of QB's picked later then the 5th round2000 NFL Draft pick #168 (6th round) St. Louis pick Marc Bulger QB West Virginia

2000 NFL Draft pick #199 (6th round) New England pick Tom Brady QB Michigan

I think you left out some big named QB's!!! also look at the QB's that went on to have HOF carriers who were drafted late!

Hall of fame QB's that were drafted in the 5th round or later

1964 picked in the 10th round Roger Staubach QB Navy

1956 picked in the 17th round Bart Starr QB Alabama

1955 picked in the9th round Johnny Unitas QB Louisville

1949 picked in the 12th round Jim Finks QB Tulsa

1949 picked in the 12th round George Blanda QB Kentucky

1944 picked in the 5th round Bob Waterfield QB UCLA

Even looking at just the 2000 draft to current date, that is only 2 QBs out of how many drafted?And having 6 QBs drafted in rounds later then the 5th, make the Hall doesn't really make a strong arguement. Especially since there hasn't been one since 1964. Not that 43 years make a big difference.

 

[Bevo]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.

I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

recent history of QB's picked later then the 5th round2000 NFL Draft pick #168 (6th round) St. Louis pick Marc Bulger QB West Virginia

2000 NFL Draft pick #199 (6th round) New England pick Tom Brady QB Michigan

I think you left out some big named QB's!!! also look at the QB's that went on to have HOF carriers who were drafted late!

Hall of fame QB's that were drafted in the 5th round or later

1964 picked in the 10th round Roger Staubach QB Navy

1956 picked in the 17th round Bart Starr QB Alabama

1955 picked in the9th round Johnny Unitas QB Louisville

1949 picked in the 12th round Jim Finks QB Tulsa

1949 picked in the 12th round George Blanda QB Kentucky

1944 picked in the 5th round Bob Waterfield QB UCLA

True about Staubach but didn't he still have a Navy hitch to serve at that point? I thinkhe would have gone a fair bit higher if he was headed to the NFL in 1965 instead of heading to Vietnam and other places for 4 years.

 

[LionsFan78]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.

I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

recent history of QB's picked later then the 5th round2000 NFL Draft pick #168 (6th round) St. Louis pick Marc Bulger QB West Virginia

2000 NFL Draft pick #199 (6th round) New England pick Tom Brady QB Michigan

I think you left out some big named QB's!!! also look at the QB's that went on to have HOF carriers who were drafted late!

Hall of fame QB's that were drafted in the 5th round or later

1964 picked in the 10th round Roger Staubach QB Navy

1956 picked in the 17th round Bart Starr QB Alabama

1955 picked in the9th round Johnny Unitas QB Louisville

1949 picked in the 12th round Jim Finks QB Tulsa

1949 picked in the 12th round George Blanda QB Kentucky

1944 picked in the 5th round Bob Waterfield QB UCLA

You're missing my point. I'm not saying there are no late round QB gems. As stated, I listed only 5th round QB's from the past few years. What I'm saying is, I'd take a McCown anyday over some of these recent guys drafted in the fifth round. Especially when all it costs me is a fifth round draft pick.

 

[stevegamer]

To be fair, once you start saying "after round 5" you need to include UDFA's & guys drafted really late:

Kurt Warner

Dave Kreig

Jim Zorn

Brian Sipe

Some fairly solid QB's there. However, most don't pan out.

 

[SammyJankis]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

 

[SammyJankis]

I doubt a trade will happen. He'll be cut and someone will get him for nothing.

Amen. Who in their right mind would give up any pick for McCown?Denny Green effectively bet his job in AZ that he could turn McCown into a starting-caliber NFL QB. How's that working out for him?

McCown put up the same numbers when he was in AZ as Leinart did last year. The 3 years he played in AZ he had the worst rushing attack in the league.

This is not a meaningful comparison. McCown played four seasons in Arizona. His third year was his best year (2511 yards, 11 TDs). That year is statistically similar to Leinhart's 2007 season (2547 yards, 11 TDs). Aside from McCown playing in two more games, the biggest reason that this is an apples-to-oranges comparison is that you're comparing one quarterback's best season with the team, to another quarterback's rookie season. Rookie quarterbacks are known to struggle. Regardless of your opinion of Leinart, wouldn't you expect his 3rd season to be leaps and bounds better than his rookie season?

As far as evaluation of McCown's talent goes, I can tell you that his problems extended greatly beyond the lack of a running game (although that's certainlly valid). Back when McCown signed in Detroit, I had the following to say about McCown after suffering through a couple of years watching him play in Arizona:

I think a lot of the McCown fans on this board are guys that had McCown on their FF team, but seldom watched McCown play.

Here's a cliff notes guide to McCown:

- Has trouble progressing through his reads.

- Gets happy feet.

- Pulls it down and runs with it far too often.

- Very excitable. When this happens, tends to make dumb mistakes and to give up the ball.

Make no mistake, he has all the measurables. If the light bulb goes on, he could be fantasic. But Dennis Green thought, "This guy has it all physically. Under my tutaledge, he can become a great one." Well, you see how that worked out.

McCown has more in common with Adrian McPherson, than Matt Leinart. He'd probably be on the winning team if the Lions held a pickup 3-on-3 basketball tournament, but this guy will never, ever, be a successful starting QB in this league.

 

[massraider]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

Why is he getting cut, again?

 

[Couch Potato]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

Why is he getting cut, again?

Sure seems to be the fatal flaw in the 'just wait' argument, doesn't it.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I wouldn't be surpised if they offered McCown and a 5th for an early 4th or a late 3rd. All indications are that Detroit will take a QB on the first day if they move McCown. They'll likely take Edwards or Stanton in round 2 or 3 as they seem to best fit their system (assuming they don't go QB in R1)

 

[massraider]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

Why is he getting cut, again?

Sure seems to be the fatal flaw in the 'just wait' argument, doesn't it.

Yes it does. McCown isn't in danger of getting cut, like a David Carr or a Daunte Culpepper. These are different circumstances altogether. He doesn't have a claim to the starting job, or a huge cap number.As to why he's on the block, and why it hasn't happened yet, I would hazard these guesses:1. The Raiders brought him in last year, he chose Detroit. They had interest then, I would guess they initiated the talks with Detroit.2. Why hasn't it happened? There is crazy speculation that the Lions are concerned the Raiders may take CJ if the trade for McCown, screwing the Lions trade plans. But also, for the teams making the deal, what's the rush? Why not wait until draft day, you never know what'll happen in the draft. Does it do the Lions or Raiders any good to do a deal a week before the draft?I wouldn't be surprised to see this deal, and the Moss deal, and the M Turner deal go down on draft day.You know draft hysteria is at its peak when people are calling a 5th round pick a high price for a backup QB.

 

[Rozelle]

Outside of Culppepper, and thats not a given, name another young QB that Denny Green develpoed succesfully (as a HC)?

Culpepper had 1 good year under Green, stunk the next year and had his breakout year after Green was gone. Brad Johnson had his best year his first year away from Green in Washington. The fact Denny couldn't do much with McCown shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[SammyJankis]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

Why is he getting cut, again?

Its certainlly not a slam-dunk, but guys that are of this caliber and rock the boat with trade demands, off end up meeting the turk. If the Lions keep him instead of cutting him, then the Raiders sign another QB for depth. The bottom line is that while the Raiders might have some interest on the (very) cheap, I doubt that McCown is the lynchpin to their offseason plans. If the Lions said "if you don't relinquish a 5th for McCown, we'll just keep him", I'm guessing the Raiders would just move on along to another option.

 

[massraider]

How anyone can say McCown is not worth a 5th round pick is ignorant to me. Take a look at some QB's taken in the 5th round for recent years: Dan Orlovsky, Craig Krenzel, St. Pierrre, Adrian McPherson, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs. If you can spend that pick on someone like McCown, who has sat behind proven vets and has some starting experience, it's a pretty cheap pickup if you ask me.I'm not saying he is the next coming, but he is still relatively young, and (on occasions) has shown that he can play in this league. McCown for a 5th round pick is a good deal.

Teams value their draft picks highly. Players in the NFL, not unlike a new cars, devalue immediately once they are driven off the lot (picked by a team). Draft picks, particuarilly late ones, are like lottery tickets. A team *could* get the next Tom Brady with a 5th round pick. They likely won't of course, but the possiblity remains. Guys like McCown just don't have a lot of value. As was pointed out in the first post I replied to, why give up a draft pick on a guy like McCown, when you can likely sign him for free once he gets cut?

Why is he getting cut, again?

Its certainlly not a slam-dunk, but guys that are of this caliber and rock the boat with trade demands, off end up meeting the turk. If the Lions keep him instead of cutting him, then the Raiders sign another QB for depth. The bottom line is that while the Raiders might have some interest on the (very) cheap, I doubt that McCown is the lynchpin to their offseason plans. If the Lions said "if you don't relinquish a 5th for McCown, we'll just keep him", I'm guessing the Raiders would just move on along to another option.

I would think so too. I don't think the Raiders are going to get held up for McCown. In fact, now that Alexander Wright has signed in New York, I am hoping that my dream of Jared Lorenzen in a Raider uniform finally comes true. But I digress.I wasn't aware that McCown was making demands. In fact, I am pretty sure he's not.

 

[SammyJankis]

I wasn't aware that McCown was making demands. In fact, I am pretty sure he's not.

ESPN Link

"Josh sees himself as a starting quarterback, and I agree with him," Michael McCartney said. "We hope before draft day that something works out beneficial to Josh and the Lions."

Short of a "I won't report to camp" ultimatum, but he's clearly looking for a trade. I mean, how much leverage does this guy have?

 

[massraider]

I wasn't aware that McCown was making demands. In fact, I am pretty sure he's not.

ESPN Link

"Josh sees himself as a starting quarterback, and I agree with him," Michael McCartney said. "We hope before draft day that something works out beneficial to Josh and the Lions."

Short of a "I won't report to camp" ultimatum, but he's clearly looking for a trade. I mean, how much leverage does this guy have?

Very little. But if he's trying to get out of town, the one good thing is that he only signed a two-year deal. So, the Lions know he's gone after this year. So may as well get rid of him for something. They still have two guys they like. And he's making a decent amount for a 3rd string QB, that might be a consideration.I am fine if the Raiders give up a 5th for him, but I do think McCown has gotten more coverage this week than he has ever deserved. Check this out:

McCown Trade Could Include Poison Pill --

Tue Apr 17, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

Mlive.com reports there has been a lot of talk about the Lions' possible deal with the Oakland Raiders for backup QB Josh McCown. Some think it's a smokescreen on behalf of either the Lions or Raiders or both. Let's assume there is a real conversation taking place and the Raiders are willing to pay the price (and the Lions would be insane to take anything less than a third-rounder). The Lions are worried that if they deal McCown, there is less chance the Raiders will take LSU QB JaMarcus Russell with the first overall pick. The Lions need Russell to go No. 1 because they have a much greater chance to trade down if WR Calvin Johnson is still available. If Johnson is drafted No. 1, the Lions' odds of moving down will be greatly diminished. There is an unconfirmed rumor that the Lions want to include a "poison pill'' in any potential trade for McCown.