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Routilla said:
Please explain how KC is 2-2 after 4 games. Any Jets fans can comment on their 1-3 mark as well. :pickle:
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It was never a comparison between the Jets and KC... I have my own problems with the Jets for another thread and never predicted big things for the Jets this year.And also... My opinions on Herm are that he is as good as his coordinators.. Left to make too many decisions on his own and he's a clown. I never doubted he could win, my claim is he won't take a team to the promised land and he won't outcoach the best coaches when its' all on the line... KC isn't going anywhere... And I'm not eating crow till the season is over.
 
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It's funny how people criticize coaches when they lose, but when that same coach wins, it doesnt count, the other team gave it to them . . .

 
duaneok66 said:
It's funny how people criticize coaches when they lose, but when that same coach wins, it doesnt count, the other team gave it to them . . .
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You nailed it. I typically don't start threads like this but there was too much :coffee: from the many anti-KC threads earlier this year. Too many people just wrote them off and the Herm haters are just ridiculous. I'd rather have Herm than Mangina anyday. :thumbdown:
 
Routilla said:
duaneok66 said:
It's funny how people criticize coaches when they lose, but when that same coach wins, it doesnt count, the other team gave it to them . . .
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You nailed it. I typically don't start threads like this but there was too much :bs: from the many anti-KC threads earlier this year. Too many people just wrote them off and the Herm haters are just ridiculous. I'd rather have Herm than Mangina anyday. :hijacked:
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But isn't this just as premature as the anti-KC threads you reference from earlier this year?
 
BeaverCleaver said:
Routilla said:
duaneok66 said:
It's funny how people criticize coaches when they lose, but when that same coach wins, it doesnt count, the other team gave it to them . . .
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You nailed it. I typically don't start threads like this but there was too much :( from the many anti-KC threads earlier this year. Too many people just wrote them off and the Herm haters are just ridiculous. I'd rather have Herm than Mangina anyday. :hijacked:
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But isn't this just as premature as the anti-KC threads you reference from earlier this year?
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:bs:
 
Good win the the Chiefs...but it's the Chiefs. Does anyone think they're going to the Super Bowl? If they buy into Herm's system again, Bowe develops into something special and LJ keeps getting better, they'll be good enough to get blown out in another wild-card game. That's better than a lot of teams, though.

I don't know why anyone "hates" another team (unless it's a bitter rival to your favorite team). I'm sure there are Chiefs-haters, but I'm not sure a 2-2 record really shuts them up. What's the rationale? "Hey, we're on pace for 8-8. In your face!"

Now, Packers fans certainly can mock their haters. Lions fans too. Any NFC team can realistically make the Super Bowl if they make the playoffs. The AFC is a different story.

 
While I was never involved in the KC debates up to this point, I will say that the only thing funnier than someone saying people should eat crow after a 2-2 start is someone saying it after a 2-2 start despite playing against exactly zero opponents with above .500 records and only one team that is not below .500.

In fact, every team KC has faced thusfar is in last place in their division :confused:

 
FreeBaGeL said:
While I was never involved in the KC debates up to this point, I will say that the only thing funnier than someone saying people should eat crow after a 2-2 start is someone saying it after a 2-2 start despite playing against exactly zero opponents with above .500 records and only one team that is not below .500.In fact, every team KC has faced thusfar is in last place in their division :no:
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While I don't have time to research links, my thoughts were more along the lines for those who predicted utter doom and gloom for KC this year, without even a chance for success. I'm referring to those who: predicted 0-6 to start the season; those who had KC being swept by SD with especially no chance of winning the game in SD; those who said Bowe could not be counted on to contribute as a rookie; those who said LJ is not talented and just a product of the system; those who said the QB was horrible and worse than Trent Green :blackdot: ; and of course the terrible OL that cannot run block or pass block. Now having said all of this please observe I am not proclaiming KC a SB team, but rather what I said all along. They are atleast average in this league, and that could certainly be enough for a playoff berth. Only 4 games have been played and I realize that means squat at this point. But at this point KC is 2 games better than many predicted. We'll see where they are at the midpoint of the season. I'm sure anyone they beat will be considered a gift or luck but I'm cool with that. I'm just laughing at the haters right now. Lots of Jets fans just ran over Herm and piled on so I'm returning just a bit to create some balance to the madness. Take it or leave it.
 
I agree with your points, but crow cannot be consumed until at least week 8 or 9. It's seasonal.

:blackdot:

 
This win was nice and actual production from LJ shockingly so, but IMO Edwards still stinks and so does their OL and I still expect LJ to be AT MOST erratic as hell in his production this year. And I more or less like KC generally speaking.

 
The Kansas Comet said:
stevegamer said:
Herm Edwards >>>>>> Norv Turner.
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Anyone who plays Madden regularly>>>Norv TurnerHerm gives his stud back the ball plenty. I guess Norv wasn't taking notes when KC was on offense.
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yes, it's that easy to be an NFL Head Coach - its a wonder they hired Norv so fast since they must've received millions of applications . . . how they did find the time to process them all???
 
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I think Herm Edwards is a poor football coach but am willing to change my mind if it means LJ will be used correctly and I can win my league and spend the winnings on cheap women and alcohol which I always do. My rant is over. We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

 
The Packers, the youngest team in the league with no running game, are 4-0. Anything's possible.

 
Routilla said:
Please explain how KC is 2-2 after 4 games. Any Jets fans can comment on their 1-3 mark as well. :whistle:
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:lmao: I guess the Chiefs will be a competitive team,afterall.the acf west is perhaps the weakesst devision in the NFL this season. Not one team has a solid run defense, save for KC, maybe..that means LJ should eat up chunks of yards against teams in that division.I view the Chiefs as an 8-8 team when its all said and done, but that's going to be quite a bit ahead of where New Orleans will finish.I think there are worse teams you can bust on..they got off to a shaky start, and they've gotten the ship under sail now!and the j-e-t-s, well , they just suck-suck-suck.
 
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I still think Herm Edwards is a horrible head coach.

Feel free to bump this thread at the end of the season...nevermind, I will.

 
The Chiefs still have 7 home games this season. 2-2 after trips to Chicago and SD is not a bad start. I would have taken this at the beginning of the season. I'm not sold on the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers to this point, so I like our chances in the AFC West. We are not playing like the Pats or Colts, but if we can make the playoffs anything could happen.

 
trader jake said:
I still think Herm Edwards is a horrible head coach.Feel free to bump this thread at the end of the season...nevermind, I will.
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as long as you do so regardless of what happens . . .
 
Nugget said:
The Chiefs still have 7 home games this season. 2-2 after trips to Chicago and SD is not a bad start. I would have taken this at the beginning of the season. I'm not sold on the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers to this point, so I like our chances in the AFC West. We are not playing like the Pats or Colts, but if we can make the playoffs anything could happen.
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Yeah, look what happened in last year's playoffs. Herm's record speaks for itself, nuff said. Seems like a nice enough guy to me in the interviews I've heard on Sirius. John Fox also sounds like a nice guy as do Norv Turner and Brian Billick. Their teams just aren't playing very well and they have to be on a short leash. But getting back to Herm. He did nothing to distinguish himself as the Jets coach. Maybe he will turn things around in KC but his vision is too myopic. A good motivator maybe, but not a proven coach. Give this a few more games before we sit him at the big table with Belichick, Dungy and Bill Cowher.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
While I was never involved in the KC debates up to this point, I will say that the only thing funnier than someone saying people should eat crow after a 2-2 start is someone saying it after a 2-2 start despite playing against exactly zero opponents with above .500 records and only one team that is not below .500.In fact, every team KC has faced thusfar is in last place in their division :goodposting:
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Houston and Chicago were better teams when KC played them than they are now due to recent injuries. Houston without A Green and A Johnson is not even CLOSE to Houston WITH A Green and A Johnson.
 
Chiefs aren't the worst. They are at least better than the Chargers right now.

Many said they were and that's what this thread is about.

They won't win the SuperBowl and most likely won't even make the playoffs, but they are several spots above #32, where many many people on this board have said they were.

I still say their defense is good, they have LJ and they play in Arrowhead. That's at least 2 more positive aspects than several other NFL teams have.

 
So is the crux of this thread "The haters said we were the worst team in the league. Ha! We're totally mediocre!" That's kind of sad. Two teams played each other that were much better off when Marty was coaching them.

On another note, Bowe is impressive and AP shouldn't assume he has any ROY nods locked up just yet.

 
Crow is best served when fully cooked.... this bird hasn't been plucked yet, never mind that it isn't even on the grill. Perhaps there will come a time when you can bring it to a table with white gloves, but fowl must be proprely cooked before being served. Bring me some salad, and I'll let you know when I'm ready for the main course. Do you have a whine list?

 
Routilla said:
duaneok66 said:
It's funny how people criticize coaches when they lose, but when that same coach wins, it doesnt count, the other team gave it to them . . .
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You nailed it. I typically don't start threads like this but there was too much :bs: from the many anti-KC threads earlier this year. Too many people just wrote them off and the Herm haters are just ridiculous. I'd rather have Herm than Mangina anyday. :clyde:
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Ummm, NO.People were criticizing a BODY OF WORK...Not one game... The funny thing is when people get excited and think they should dish out crow over 1 game as if any one team couldn't beat another onany given Sundat :thumbup:
 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
The person who admits they are or were wrong is unique...so do not expect much....
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Hey, I saw you kinda jumping off the Herm bandwagon earlier this year, No?
 
Routilla said:
FreeBaGeL said:
While I was never involved in the KC debates up to this point, I will say that the only thing funnier than someone saying people should eat crow after a 2-2 start is someone saying it after a 2-2 start despite playing against exactly zero opponents with above .500 records and only one team that is not below .500.

In fact, every team KC has faced thusfar is in last place in their division :bs:
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While I don't have time to research links, my thoughts were more along the lines for those who predicted utter doom and gloom for KC this year, without even a chance for success. I'm referring to those who: predicted 0-6 to start the season; those who had KC being swept by SD with especially no chance of winning the game in SD; those who said Bowe could not be counted on to contribute as a rookie; those who said LJ is not talented and just a product of the system; those who said the QB was horrible and worse than Trent Green :thumbup: ; and of course the terrible OL that cannot run block or pass block. Now having said all of this please observe I am not proclaiming KC a SB team, but rather what I said all along. They are atleast average in this league, and that could certainly be enough for a playoff berth. Only 4 games have been played and I realize that means squat at this point. But at this point KC is 2 games better than many predicted. We'll see where they are at the midpoint of the season. I'm sure anyone they beat will be considered a gift or luck but I'm cool with that. I'm just laughing at the haters right now. Lots of Jets fans just ran over Herm and piled on so I'm returning just a bit to create some balance to the madness. Take it or leave it.
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OHHHH.... Who the hell are you talking about then....My claim is that Herm NEVER loses his players and squeezes wins out but will never hang with the best of the best and take a team all the way...

Maybe you should look back, I don't think this trhread is for very many people then....

AVERAGE, Herm I with YOU :clyde:

 
By Herm's own admission his goal is to keep it close until the fourth quarter and take his chances there, so I guess he succeeded against the Chargers in that regard.

But come on, this one was handed to the Chiefs on a silver platter. I've never seen a coach ignore his primary weapon like Norv did on Sunday.

Herm did what he does. Play it close to the vest and vanilla as possible and hope the other team screws up enough to keep it close. So............congratulations?

 
bcr8f said:
The Packers, the youngest team in the league with no running game, are 4-0. Anything's possible.
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IIRC, the Colts are the 2nd youngest team in the league and are also 4-0. Yes, I think anything is certainly possible.
 
I'll have an early season small dish of crow. The defense has really surprised me. The offense is bad as I suspected but the defense has been much better than I thought it would be. I still think they are a 7-9 team, 8-8 at best.

 
switz said:
Routilla said:
Please explain how KC is 2-2 after 4 games. Any Jets fans can comment on their 1-3 mark as well. :shrug:
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You're boasting over being a .500 team? :confused:
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No boasting going on here. I'm just bringing attention to the doom and gloomers that KC is not 0-4 as predicted, and the team is apparently not as bad as predicted, though many were very sure of themselves that KC was one of the worst teams in the league. That's all.
 
Routilla said:
switz said:
Routilla said:
Please explain how KC is 2-2 after 4 games. Any Jets fans can comment on their 1-3 mark as well. :yes:
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You're boasting over being a .500 team? :thumbup:
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No boasting going on here. I'm just bringing attention to the doom and gloomers that KC is not 0-4 as predicted, and the team is apparently not as bad as predicted, though many were very sure of themselves that KC was one of the worst teams in the league. That's all.
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Ummm, KC can still easily finish as one of the worst teams in the NFL. They have only won 2 games. I'm actually very pleased with this win by KC even though I predicted them to be one of the worst teams in football. SD is/was terribly overrated and hyped.
 
duaneok66 said:
The Kansas Comet said:
stevegamer said:
Herm Edwards >>>>>> Norv Turner.
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Anyone who plays Madden regularly>>>Norv TurnerHerm gives his stud back the ball plenty. I guess Norv wasn't taking notes when KC was on offense.
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yes, it's that easy to be an NFL Head Coach - its a wonder they hired Norv so fast since they must've received millions of applications . . . how they did find the time to process them all???
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If you really think the market for head coaches in the NFL is efficient--meaning, the head coaches in place are the best for their jobs, you really do have another thing coming.Sports markets are incredibly inefficient.

 
I actually think this team has some hope. The D is much better than advertised and Bowe is the real deal. He provides them with a actual threat at wr. Bowe and Gonzalez are 2 actual threats opposing defenses have to respect. Kennison will help once he returns. I am not a KC fan but this team is getting better on offense.

 
FavreCo said:
How bad is Norv Turner? The Herminator beat up on him.
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:goodposting: My thoughts exactly. I loved the "Marty" chants from the crowd.However, is it Turners fault or whomever the OC is?
 
Routilla said:
though many were very sure of themselves that KC was one of the worst teams in the league. That's all.
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After four games, do we know definitively that they aren't? Seems premature with twelve games left to be played.
 
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