Just heard that there are talks going on between Browns and Chiefs about LJ. How would LJ in a Browns uniform affect his value. I see him being down graded with the weak Brown's O-Line, playing against the Steelers and Raven D's, a big contract for LJ, and the lack of QB play with Frye at the helm.
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LJ to the Browns Trade Talk (1 Viewer)
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Routilla
Footballguy
Agreed. If CLE had a quality line then I could see the CLE brass invisioning the second coming of Jim Brown. I would think KC would get CLE's 1st rd pick and either next year's 1st rd pick as well or atleast 2-3 other high picks over the next few years. Of course KC would use the pick on AP this year.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
The Chiefs' offensive line has suffered some hits too.
So he'd only have to play against two tough defenses instead of three.
Okay, I'll buy that one.
Is Frye that much worse than Huard and the banged-up Green that LJ had last year?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If I'm the Browns, it's for the 2nd rounder and nothing more.
There'd be a dropoff in performance, but not what most seem to think. Adding Steinbach was HUGE for the whole line, not just the guard spot.
There'd be a dropoff in performance, but not what most seem to think. Adding Steinbach was HUGE for the whole line, not just the guard spot.
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coco the monkey
Footballguy
I don't think they'd go AP. Sounds more like a QB move to me. If they're going to pay AP that kind of money, why not just keep LJ.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
LJ will not go to Cleve for a first rounder. AP > LJ.
ATC1
Footballguy
And Chester Taylor owners =
I've read somewhere that the Chiefs and Larry Johnson "aren't a good fit" whatever that means. And now there is this. I guess if the Chiefs want to move on, then it makes sense for there to be talks between the Chiefs and Browns.
If the Browns select Joe Thomas, trade a 2nd to KC for LJ, and Thomas impresses at LT, maybe LJ does well.
If the Browns select Joe Thomas, trade a 2nd to KC for LJ, and Thomas impresses at LT, maybe LJ does well.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Maybe. But...LJ + Quinn/Russel >> AP + Frye/Anderson
Routilla
Footballguy
As I said it would require more than 1 pick thus more than one player as a result. I don't think KC is offering such a trade but if CLE was willing to part with 2 #1s or a #1 this year and 2-3 more picks on top of it, KC would have to listen.
Routilla
Footballguy
LOL.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
fcourse: If KC is asking for a 2nd, by all means, Cleve NEEDS to bite on that. No question about it. Would KC do that though? Herm <3s RBs that can take the load. Where will this RB come from?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
There's no way KC would get anything approaching this for LJ.
Talk about over paying.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
the truth is that funny?LOL.
Family Matters
Footballguy
The difference between Clev's Oline and KC's are significant. KC has a history of producing good Olineman year in year out. While Clev did upgrade with Steinbach, getting Bentley back would go a long way towrads making the improvments they need offensively. Let's not forget about Winslow either. He may still be hurting.With a healthy Bentley and the Steinbach upgrade, and a healthy Winslow/Edwards, the Browns offense is automatically better by 50 yards per game and that's with Frye as their QB. Adding a an upgrade at QB would alos make a hige differnece but Frye is serviceable. If you can't block well at the line then your not going far.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Quinn and LJ in the first 2 rounds would be a good haul.
weasel3515
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. I can't see the Browns trying to acquire LJ when they just signed Lewis. Although I am not a Lewis fan, I don't think they would have signed him if they were thinking of bringing in someone else. My guess is they go for the Golden Boy from Notre Dame.
LOL.
LJ has started 28 games, has 47 TDs, but an injury prone RB who's never played in the NFL is better.And Calvin Johnson is better then Jerry Rice.And Quinn is better then Montana.
Routilla
Footballguy
Probably the most accurate post yet describing this trade scenerio.
ATC1
Footballguy
One year contract to bring in a rookie.
Routilla
Footballguy
LOL.
And remember LJ has done this with a terrible OL and horrible new coaches. After all KC loses some irreplaceable cog of their team EACH year and we are still waiting for it to show up in LJ's production. LOL. Hint: We will have to keep waiting for it to show up.
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ATC1
Footballguy
What's the porpose of this screen then? That they will take Peterson if LJ trade does not work out?
massraider
Footballguy
I have no idea the asking price, but here's some perspective:
Carl Peterson wants a 2nd rounder+ for Trent Green.
Carl Peterson wants a 2nd rounder+ for Trent Green.
Routilla
Footballguy
That about sums it up,
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
LJ will be 28 and has had seasons of 370 and 455 touches in his previous 2 seasons. You want him to split time with another guy 28 y/o who has deteriorated? From a fantasy outlook, its no question, LJ is the man. But fantasy outlook is not equal to NFL outlook. How big do you think the Brown's window of opportunity really is? 2-3 years? They need a guy who will carry the ball for 5 years to give them a legit shot at winning it all.IMO, AP is worth more than LJ here for the future of the franchise. AP is a better prospect than LJ was and has just the same, if not more potential looking now. Its riskier but its still the correct pick for the GM to make.LOL.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
This is 100% speculation/rumor/rumour.
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Routilla
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong here, I think this would be a bad deal for CLE. They would have to give up too much to get LJ. But I disagree with you on comparing LJ and AP entirely. AP would have to produce at a high level for 3 years straight before we can even compare the two. So this discussion would be without merit until the offseason leading up to the 2010 draft at the earliest.LJ will be 28 and has had seasons of 370 and 455 touches in his previous 2 seasons. You want him to split time with another guy 28 y/o who has deteriorated? From a fantasy outlook, its no question, LJ is the man. But fantasy outlook is not equal to NFL outlook. How big do you think the Brown's window of opportunity really is? 2-3 years? They need a guy who will carry the ball for 5 years to give them a legit shot at winning it all.IMO, AP is worth more than LJ here for the future of the franchise. AP is a better prospect than LJ was and has just the same, if not more potential looking now. Its riskier but its still the correct pick for the GM to make.LOL.
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CA_7
Footballguy
Adam Schefter reported yesterday that CLE, BUF, TEN and GB were all interested in LJ
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6660112
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6660112
Truth? Prove it?Absurd statement is more like it. LJ has pounded defenses in the NFL for 2 season gaining 1750 yards or more each time RUSHING the ball. Add 340+ yards two seasons in a row receiving and how on on Gods Green Football Field Earth do you come on here and state AP>LJ and then call it the truth?the truth is that funny?LOL.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd heard Crennel's job was in danger, but Savage's?
Revo
Footballguy
it would really be a tough move for KC to trade LJ:
- he's an FA at season's end;
- many GMs won't want to pay the high ransom to KC and THEN an LT-like contract, which is a double whammy;
- LJ will be 28 this season, and could be considered too old to dole out $60M+ (LT signed his mega contract at age 25);
- LJ has been such a major workhorse, I wonder if KC and teams looking at him are concerned.
then there's what everyone else mentioned about CLE, with the potential for AP and Lewis already in town.
EDIT -- it's funny that you try to think out a point and write it carefully, and 20 thoughts get posted in the meantime. Sorry to duplicate.....
- he's an FA at season's end;
- many GMs won't want to pay the high ransom to KC and THEN an LT-like contract, which is a double whammy;
- LJ will be 28 this season, and could be considered too old to dole out $60M+ (LT signed his mega contract at age 25);
- LJ has been such a major workhorse, I wonder if KC and teams looking at him are concerned.
then there's what everyone else mentioned about CLE, with the potential for AP and Lewis already in town.
EDIT -- it's funny that you try to think out a point and write it carefully, and 20 thoughts get posted in the meantime. Sorry to duplicate.....
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I understand where you're coming from, but what would you rather have - AP for 7 years of LJ for 4 years? If you think AP is the elite RB prospect some believe him to be than trading for LJ probably isn't the best move for the Browns given their current talent situation. But, if you have concerns about AP durability, upright running style, etc., then this move looks great. Sure, LJ has had a great run, but how long will it continue versus what you get from AP from 2007 going forward is the question. I personally think the Browns would be crazy to not give up a 2nd rounder for LJ, but when you're talking multiple 1st round picks the answer isn't as clear.Don't get me wrong here, I think this would be a bad deal for CLE. They would have to give up too much to get LJ. But I disagree with you on comparing LJ and AP entirely. AP would have to produce for 3 years straight before we can even compare the two. So this discussion would be without merit until the offseason leading up to the 2010 draft at the earliest.LJ will be 28 and has had seasons of 370 and 455 touches in his previous 2 seasons. You want him to split time with another guy 28 y/o who has deteriorated? From a fantasy outlook, its no question, LJ is the man. But fantasy outlook is not equal to NFL outlook. How big do you think the Brown's window of opportunity really is? 2-3 years? They need a guy who will carry the ball for 5 years to give them a legit shot at winning it all.IMO, AP is worth more than LJ here for the future of the franchise. AP is a better prospect than LJ was and has just the same, if not more potential looking now. Its riskier but its still the correct pick for the GM to make.LOL.
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