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Locker may change mind (1 Viewer)

One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.

There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.

 
As a Rams fan I hope the front office does the right thing and drafts Suh. Locker isn't the answer to the Rams' problems.

 
ichris said:
As a Rams fan I hope the front office does the right thing and drafts Suh. Locker isn't the answer to the Rams' problems.
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Lions fans were begging for Curry in last year's draft.....but the team made the right choice. It's the 1st overall pick. Millions of dollars will be guaranteed. Aaron Curry had a decent year for a rookie, but the Lions would have been in worse shape today than they were a year ago if they'd have chosen Curry over Stafford imo. A team is going nowhere without a franchise QB.
 
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IDrinkyourMilkshake said:
Probably a wise move to declare. Clausen still probably has the edge because he is more developed but I don't either falling past Seattle.
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Carroll certainly changed the draft priorities for Seattle. I figured Hass to be there for 2 more years while they rebuilt the line and running game behind a vet with the QBoF holding a clipboard and learning the WCO. I don't see how Hass will figure into a Carroll offense so a QBoF may be much nearer than expected. I know he knows the value of OL so I expect that to be drafted but a little Sarkisian input may put Jake in control of an NFL team without having to move.
 
I'm all for him declaring b/c that's one more bad team that will take a QB and let someone I actually want my team to draft fall. :thumbup:

 
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EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I don't think the grade is off, because he would go higher. Very general grade. Preety sure so teams will grade him higher on tools versus some will downgrade him because he has not been that overall consistent. Think the talk that he was the best player in the draft wa a bit much all along.
 
coolnerd said:
EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I don't think the grade is off, because he would go higher. Very general grade. Preety sure so teams will grade him higher on tools versus some will downgrade him because he has not been that overall consistent. Think the talk that he was the best player in the draft wa a bit much all along.
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Sure, he's not the best player in the draft, but the same is true for Clausen and Bradford. NFL teams will always overdraft quarterbacks because they know it's such a critical position. With Locker's upside, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him picked in the top 5 even though he needs a lot of seasoning.
 
To be clear, I want Taylor Mays or an impact linebacker in the 1st round, so the more underclassmen at other positions that declare (Locker included), and are projected to go early, the better as an Eagles fan. :yes:

 
bulger2holt said:
The Rams have hinted they are interested and he may change his mind. No link, heard it on local radio in St.Louis
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In their dreams. Locker and Sark just had a press conference a week ago. They are now praising Sark for not pulling a Kiffin. And Locker is even more loyal.Anything can happen, but I'd bet my life savings that Locker stays.
 
Locker isn't coming out and UW is stuck with him. From all of the talk and interviews that I have heard with him and about him here in Seattle, he is motivated by differnt things. He knows he will get his money in due time. If he does have the career ending injury, insurance will take care of it (per is Dad on KJR950 radio).

 
EBF said:
Jason Wood said:
To be clear, I want Taylor Mays
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Be careful what you wish for.
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One of ESPN's scouts had this to say about him:
Taylor Mays, USC: Mays is big enough (6-3, 236) to line up at linebacker and fast enough to play safety in the NFL. He's an aggressive run-stuffer who plays with an edge and drops the hammer on ball carriers. Take his first-quarter hit on Ohio State RB Dan Herron, for example. Mays lined up more than 10 yards off the ball, flew downhill when he read run, and the collision stopped Herron dead in his tracks. He also fcan match up with tight ends in man coverage and shows rare range for his size.So why does May project as a late-first-round pick instead of a top-15 prospect? He is too inconsistent and simply doesn't make enough plays in coverage. Mays has intercepted just two passes during the past three seasons, and his only pick this season came when California QB Kevin Riley made a poor decision and threw the ball right to Mays. At times, Mays looks to deliver the big hit rather than playing the ball, and it costs him, as it did on a 45-yard touchdown catch by Notre Dame's Golden Tate. Mays rotates to provide help over the top on the play, but he never turns to locate the ball and instead tries to lower his shoulder into Tate. The result is a catch-and-run that could have been prevented if Mays had played the ball. Mays can also get caught out of position in coverage and appears to lack ideal instincts and recognition, and he sometimes misses tackles in space because he is looking to deliver the knockout blow rather than wrap up and get the ball carrier to the ground.
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I've watched plenty of him and I'm comfortable in saying he's going to be one of the biggest mistakes in the 1st round this year. He's great in the box, but gets exposed in the open field all the time, whether it's in coverage or cleaning up for the LBs.
 
The talk of a rookie wage scale, especially for 2011, but possibly even for this year may have a lot of players reconsidering and going out this year - on the gamble that the scale won't be imposed until 2011. Locker could be leaving a lot of money on the table if he waits to 2011.

-QG

 
EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I'd love to see Locker fall to Denver, but I realize that even falling out of the top 10 is probably a pipe dream.
 
You do realize Denver doesn't have a first round pick? It was given to Seattle last year. Seattle picks #6 and #14 (Denver's pick).

SSOG said:
EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I'd love to see Locker fall to Denver, but I realize that even falling out of the top 10 is probably a pipe dream.
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ScottyDog said:
You do realize Denver doesn't have a first round pick? It was given to Seattle last year. Seattle picks #6 and #14 (Denver's pick).

SSOG said:
EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I'd love to see Locker fall to Denver, but I realize that even falling out of the top 10 is probably a pipe dream.
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Jay Cutler trade bro
 
ScottyDog said:
You do realize Denver doesn't have a first round pick? It was given to Seattle last year. Seattle picks #6 and #14 (Denver's pick).

SSOG said:
EBF said:
One thing is for sure, that "report" saying he was given a 2nd round grade was complete bunk.There is no way this guy would not be a first round pick this year.
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I'd love to see Locker fall to Denver, but I realize that even falling out of the top 10 is probably a pipe dream.
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You do realize Denver has Chicago's first round pick, via the trade for Cutler?
 
Steed said:
I've watched plenty of him and I'm comfortable in saying he's going to be one of the biggest mistakes in the 1st round this year. He's great in the box, but gets exposed in the open field all the time, whether it's in coverage or cleaning up for the LBs.
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Mays is not a playmaker. Plain and simple. He's a guy who looks like an All-Pro in pads, but disappears during the games (unless you count making tackles downfield after blowing an assignment and giving up a big play). All of the good recent Pac-10 safeties like Rahim Moore, OJ Atogwe, Troy Polamalu, and Jarrad Page were playmakers in college. Mays has never demonstrated sound insticts or a nose for the ball. He's a big, fast guy. That's it.
 
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If Mays is legit, I think he'll end up in Seattle because of Carroll. If Pete passes on him, then that tells me something.

If Locker were to enter the draft (he won't), don't be surprised if he ends up in Seattle. The new regime realizes that they need the QB of the future. I wouldn't be shocked if Hasslebeck were traded.

 
I'm disappointed in the crap that passes for journalism. Seattle has been in the news a lot lately with the Mora firing and Carroll hiring. It appears there's a mad rush to be the first to report a story. This is causing journalists to speculate far too much and report it as fact.

For example:

1. Carroll to be GM and coach.

2. Carroll to be president.

These were reported as fact when they were purely speculation.

And now this? I guess it could happen in the "anything is possible" realm, but from what I know of Locker this is just some reporter dreaming stuff up and spitting it out.

 
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I dont think the Rams CAN draft Suh. Dont they have a really large majority of their cap space already in the defensive front?

Seems like Cleveland would be smart to trade to get down to #1 to grab Suh. He could make that defense special.

 
Texasmouth said:
I dont think the Rams CAN draft Suh. Dont they have a really large majority of their cap space already in the defensive front? Seems like Cleveland would be smart to trade to get down to #1 to grab Suh. He could make that defense special.
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The Rams have 35 mill of cap space ( if there is a cap ) and will take BPA no matter what position.
 
scrumptrulescent said:
ichris said:
As a Rams fan I hope the front office does the right thing and drafts Suh. Locker isn't the answer to the Rams' problems.
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Lions fans were begging for Curry in last year's draft.....but the team made the right choice. It's the 1st overall pick. Millions of dollars will be guaranteed. Aaron Curry had a decent year for a rookie, but the Lions would have been in worse shape today than they were a year ago if they'd have chosen Curry over Stafford imo. A team is going nowhere without a franchise QB.
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Yep, the 2000 Ravens, 1985 Bears, 1987 and 1991 Redskins needed a franchise QB ;) I'm probably forgetting a few more. However, I agree for the most part :unsure:
 
JohnnyU said:
scrumptrulescent said:
ichris said:
As a Rams fan I hope the front office does the right thing and drafts Suh. Locker isn't the answer to the Rams' problems.
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Lions fans were begging for Curry in last year's draft.....but the team made the right choice. It's the 1st overall pick. Millions of dollars will be guaranteed. Aaron Curry had a decent year for a rookie, but the Lions would have been in worse shape today than they were a year ago if they'd have chosen Curry over Stafford imo. A team is going nowhere without a franchise QB.
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Yep, the 2000 Ravens, 1985 Bears, 1987 and 1991 Redskins needed a franchise QB ;) I'm probably forgetting a few more. However, I agree for the most part :thumbup:
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The teams that are consistently competitive year in and year out tend to have stability at the QB position. I'd go as far as saying that 8 of the 12 playoff teams best player this year was their quarterback (Brees, Favre, Romo, Warner, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Rivers). The four other QB's were McNabb (pretty good), Flacco (young but promising), Sanchez (young but promising) and Palmer (ok he's regressing). Sure you might be able to pick a franchise QB in the fifth round but if you think Locker/Clausen is a franchise QB, you take him.
 
gheemony said:
If Mays is legit, I think he'll end up in Seattle because of Carroll. If Pete passes on him, then that tells me something.
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Did it tell you something when Butch Davis passed on Clinton Portis in Cleveland in order to select William Green?
 
MAC_32 said:
EBF said:
Jason Wood said:
To be clear, I want Taylor Mays
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Be careful what you wish for.
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You see another Michael Boulware/Roy Williams too? That's what I saw.
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The Pac-10 is my home conference. As a result, I tend to see a lot more of the Pac-10 than I do the other conferences. In all of the times I have seen USC play, I really can't remember Taylor Mays ever doing anything that caught my attention. People who hype him up almost inevitably focus on the physical gifts. He's big and fast. When he connects, he's a big hitter. Yet you never really hear people touting his actual football skills and when you watch USC play, he doesn't stand out. He's a classic example of a guy who's a better athlete than football player. He'll be a high pick and he'll probably hang around the league as a starter for a long time because teams will always think they can mold him into a player, but this is not the next Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu. Not even close. Not all college playmakers become playmakers in the NFL, but almost all of the playmakers in the NFL were playmakers in college. Nevertheless, there are always teams who con themselves into drafting mediocre football players who look like Pro Bowlers in workouts (Gholston, JaMarcus, DHB, etc). It seems like these guys always bust.
 
EBF said:
Not all college playmakers become playmakers in the NFL, but almost all of the playmakers in the NFL were playmakers in college. Nevertheless, there are always teams who con themselves into drafting mediocre football players who look like Pro Bowlers in workouts (Gholston, JaMarcus, DHB, etc). It seems like these guys always bust.
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Vernon Gholston? The guy who his junior year in college (and therefore his last year) broke the B10 record for sacks in a season, was named B10 DLotY by the coaches, and was an All-B10 first-team choice? The guy who had the only sack against #1 pick Jake Long during his senior year? Not sure how he fits the mold of mediocre football player.
 
Pretty much all of the scouts said he was a workout warrior whose tape didn't justify his draft hype.

Not surprisingly, he has been completely invisible as a pro.

 
EBF said:
Pretty much all of the scouts said he was a workout warrior whose tape didn't justify his draft hype. Not surprisingly, he has been completely invisible as a pro.
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What scouts say about a player is far different than how good a college player a guy is; scouts won't love Tim Tebow, either.I don't see how you can say Gholston was anything but an awesome college football player. Big 10 Defensive Lineman of the Year and OSU single season sack record breaker as a junior? You can say his game didn't translate to the pros, and maybe the scouts saw that, but that's far different from being a mediocre football player.
 
SSOG said:
gheemony said:
If Mays is legit, I think he'll end up in Seattle because of Carroll. If Pete passes on him, then that tells me something.
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Did it tell you something when Butch Davis passed on Clinton Portis in Cleveland in order to select William Green?
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Portis was considered a bit small and Davis probably thought Green was more of a workhorse back. It does say something about what the coach thinks of the player, but it doesn't necessarily mean the coach is right.
 
Chase Stuart said:
EBF said:
Pretty much all of the scouts said he was a workout warrior whose tape didn't justify his draft hype. Not surprisingly, he has been completely invisible as a pro.
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What scouts say about a player is far different than how good a college player a guy is; scouts won't love Tim Tebow, either.I don't see how you can say Gholston was anything but an awesome college football player. Big 10 Defensive Lineman of the Year and OSU single season sack record breaker as a junior? You can say his game didn't translate to the pros, and maybe the scouts saw that, but that's far different from being a mediocre football player.
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Maybe Gholston wasn't the best example. I admittedly didn't realize that his sack numbers were so strong at Ohio State.The broader point stands. Prospects who weren't impact players in college generally don't become impact players in the NFL. There might be an elite safety prospect playing at a Pac-10 school in LA, but his name is Rahim Moore. Mays is just an overrated specimen fawned over (mostly) by people who haven't actually seen him play much. He'll probably still have a lengthy NFL career because he has the physical tools to be given countless second chances, but anyone touting him as a top an elite prospect and a potential impact safety like Reed/Polamalu is destined for disappointment. He will always be the same guy he is right now: an elite athlete with poor football intangibles.
 
EBF said:
The broader point stands. Prospects who weren't impact players in college generally don't become impact players in the NFL.
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I definitely agree with this point, and I've said much the same thing in the past, but I've also noticed a couple of my posterchild "workout warrior" guys (Mario Williams, Vernon Davis) have been doing pretty well recently.
 
Well Davis caught 51 passes for 871 yards in his final season at Maryland, which is fantastic production for a college TE. Sure, he was also a workout monster, but it wasn't like he was a disappointment on the field.

Same with Williams. He was a complete monster at NC State. I had him as an elite talent right up there with the best in his draft class. The only surprising thing was him being chosen over Reggie Bush, who seemed like a foregone conclusion for the 1.01 spot at the time.

These guys are different from Mays, who has the reputation of a superstar and the production of a journeyman.

 
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